'We had some discussions two months ago but there has been nothing since. I haven't actually been offered a new contract and nothing has been mentioned about holding more talks.' David Moyes, Daily Mail 9 May 2008
`Bill and David have been deep in discussions for some months,? Wyness said. ?Those talks are going fine, there is absolutely no problem there at all.' Keith Wyness, Times 8 May 2008.
You couldn't make it up! Who's telling porkies?
Phil Bellis, Posted 10/05/2008 at 00:17:34
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1 Posted 10/05/2008 at 04:17:37
Now if he hasnt put a wish list together yet despite "talking" for several months perhaps theplayers know something we dont.
The one thing about EFC is you never know what the truth is or whats going on.
The "Rabbit out of the hat man" has been seriously significantly silent for the last few months too despite our fight for 5th and the proposed Tescodome.
2 Posted 10/05/2008 at 04:31:39
Now this is getting serious:
The Everton manager said: ?My job is here and I am under contract for another year. I will be here next season unless I am told differently but beyond that I don?t know.
?It may seem strange to be preparing for another season with just one year on your contract but maybe that is a question for the chairman.
?We had some discussions two months ago but there has been nothing since. I haven?t actually been offered a new contract and nothing has been mentioned about holding more talks.?
Moyes has drawn up a list of transfer targets, headed by Heerenveen?s United States midfielder Michael Bradley, but he is in the dark about his budget.
?I told the club three months ago what I was looking for but I don?t know when I?ll get an answer,? he said. ?I don?t know whether I?ll be shopping at Harrods or the bargain basement.?
The uncertainty extends to Moyes? appointing a successor to Alan Irvine as assistant manager. ?I can?t really bring someone in until my own situation is sorted out,? he said
3 Posted 10/05/2008 at 04:33:35
Hopefully it is a smokescreen to keep our massive transfer kitty secret so we can sign up the best players in the world (flaming nora, this ale is strong!)
4 Posted 10/05/2008 at 05:25:52
(and here’s hoping Lescott’s knee proceedure is routine!)
5 Posted 10/05/2008 at 07:43:46
6 Posted 10/05/2008 at 07:50:23
Sven Goran Eriksson
Wouldn?t it be Everton all over to fuck him off while we are on the cusp of having something like success? If we lose Moyes I will go fucking crazy.
7 Posted 10/05/2008 at 07:52:31
If Moyes ’ knows ’ that all the spare cash is going to the Kirkby/Tesco dome then he might well be off.
8 Posted 10/05/2008 at 08:32:23
We have one of the most talented British Mangers in Moyes, who has built a side on showstring that some other managers could not acheive with a £100 million.
Moyes would be the best signing of the summer, if we do not tie him down to at least 4 years it will be a travesty!
We would also lose some of our top players, Jol and Allardyce are hardly top managers!!! Give him the £25-30 million he needs to take us to the next level.
Taxi for Kenwright and Wyness!!!
9 Posted 10/05/2008 at 09:21:24
10 Posted 10/05/2008 at 09:40:33
Hopefully Kenwright and his fat mate will leave too after this whole Kirkby fuck up then we’ll have a clean slate to start from and actually start playing some decent football again.
11 Posted 10/05/2008 at 09:49:34
12 Posted 10/05/2008 at 10:26:49
13 Posted 10/05/2008 at 10:48:44
14 Posted 10/05/2008 at 10:51:33
15 Posted 10/05/2008 at 10:27:44
I think the time has truely come for Kenwright and his sidekick to fuck off as quickly as possible. It is blatently obvious by their actions and admissions from the Tesco people that Kenwright has no intention of selling any of his shareholding and the only investmnent he has brought into the club (i.e Robert Earl) was done in order to strengthen his own position. Under his stewardship we have had many a debacle (King?s Dock and the sale of the only ?world class? player we?ll see in our lifetime are but two).
He and Wyness are also responsible for selling out to JJB... what a fucking joke they are !!... EFC?s main merchandising partner who never stock any EFC merchandise in any of their shops...need I say more!!! I understand he is an Evertonian through and through but so am I and these two are once again making us a laughing stock.
As much as I?ve criticised Moyes I don't think there is any one out there who could do a better job than he?s done....(certainly not Sam fucking Allardyce!!). This season I truely believed we were on the verge of good things (despite our obvious failings) and things could be better next season with the right planning and transfer captures... so why the fuck are these two clowns stalling with Moyes and jepardising the future of the club?
If this was in Spain and/or Italy the fans would be up in arms and demanding the resignation of these two idiots but we just accept it. Now whilst I?m not suggessting we go rioting in the streets I think that some sort of major protest should be undertaken to show our displeasure at these two idiots... I'm sure SKY would give it lengthy air time considering how they obviously feel about Everton.
When he took over, above all Kenwright promised the supporters TRANSPARENCY... something which has never happened so I say to these two either LEAD US FORWRD or FUCK OFF NOW!!!
16 Posted 10/05/2008 at 11:04:31
17 Posted 10/05/2008 at 11:15:05
Both quotes (the Moyes one in particular) sound like they’ve been hashed-up by a journo with a chip on his shoulder if you ask me...
18 Posted 10/05/2008 at 11:12:15
The whole board is a disgrace! One lie after another and people still defend them. Unbelievable.
However, in his defence, Bill has probably been quiet as he?s knackered from searching for new investement 24/7 !!!!!!
19 Posted 10/05/2008 at 11:41:53
20 Posted 10/05/2008 at 12:03:04
21 Posted 10/05/2008 at 12:01:04
22 Posted 10/05/2008 at 12:27:15
OK, some of the football has been shite at times but the league position doesn?t lie. To offer him less is an insult to Moyes and the hoards of us who support and spend our money on this club. It would not surprise me if he pisses off and ends up at Celtic or maybe as assistant to Alex Ferguson and to eventually take over.
23 Posted 10/05/2008 at 13:12:34
Secondly, Bill Kenwright loves Moyesey and I?m sure he would leave his wife for him given half a chance. I guarentee a couple of weeks after the season, it will be all smiles and a brand new 4-year deal. This is simply the Everton way.
24 Posted 10/05/2008 at 13:23:53
25 Posted 10/05/2008 at 13:43:29
Although to be fair he has made the odd poor sub. Like every other manager in the world.
26 Posted 10/05/2008 at 14:44:16
LOL ... "again" ... like we did twenty years ago before the game was fundamentally changed by a hnuge influx of money leaving us far behind? Is that the "again" you speak of?
27 Posted 10/05/2008 at 15:35:15
Our performances in the biggest matches this season, suggest that further improvements are unlikely. However, I feel that Moyes has often been the glue to hold this club together.
If Moyes decides to walk away from this club through the actions and lack of ambition of our chirman and CEO, will everybody finally see Kenwright for the charlatan that he is? He´s taken the piss for years and been very lucky that the team has out-performed the investment it has received.
28 Posted 10/05/2008 at 16:04:17
That beacon of truth and honesty...!
Give it a rest
29 Posted 10/05/2008 at 17:34:43
For a minute there, I thought our CEO might be lying.
30 Posted 10/05/2008 at 18:52:28
Either Bill is going for Jose Mouhrinio, in thinking that David has taken us as far as he can (A load of bollocks IMO) or Bill can?t meet Davids transfer demands. I thank David for calling Bills bluff to expose him as the pennyless chairman that he is. I've been saying for ages THIS CLUB NEEDS INVESTMENT!!!
31 Posted 10/05/2008 at 19:14:35
In the Independent interview Moyes did that was out only a day or 2 ago, he indicated he was quite happy and had given his wish list of players.
Even the Mail quotes mention that Moyes and Bill talk all the time ? just not about his contract; both have said on numerous occasions that they were waiting to get the football season out of the way until they sort it out.
As far as the comments from KW go, Bill and DM talk all the time, both are happy with the current situation ? what?s the problem!
32 Posted 10/05/2008 at 19:18:59
Just look at what happens whenever an owner says he?s had enough of the name-calling and rancid abuse dished out by fans. Think of Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, Wolves, Sheffield Wed et al ?all who have graced the top flight in none too distant times ? and reflect: Where are they now? Deep in the shit is the answer... and all because their loyal and well-meaning owners were hounded out of office and eventually left them to stew.
Be assured, there is no queue of rich men just waiting to take over the debts, build us a new ground, double Davey?s salary and buy him a new team. We?ve been here before and ended up with Chairman Johnson ? what a saviour he turned out to be!
Just hold your water, wait to see how it all works out. Bill and Davey will sort it out without our help so stop worrying and concentrate on tomorrow?s game!
33 Posted 10/05/2008 at 21:10:23
Where do you get the idea that EFC would go into meltdown if BK sold up?
He has asset-stripped the club since the day he took over and the operational management is a shambles. As for marketing and PR... don't even go there.
The only difficulty with EFC has always been the way the shareholding is structured and with BK holding 66% through a private holding discourages anyone from making a bid.
EFC is valued at £100 million not bad for Bill who only put up £1 million eh? And why do we need the world?s richest "Oliogaths"? ? there are plenty of rich successful businessmen about ? just ask QPR. Unlike years ago there is plenty of money in football now so return on investment is much easier to justify.
BK needs to be a willing seller then watch the amount of interest.
34 Posted 10/05/2008 at 21:49:29
35 Posted 10/05/2008 at 21:34:55
Firstly, for the record, as of May 07, Bill Kenwright held 8,754 shares in EFC Co Ltd. ? 25% ... not 66%.
66% is the approximate joint sharholding of the Everton Board of Directors: Kenwright, Woods and Earl. You could argue that, since the board is united behind Bill, his ownership is effectivey 66%, which enables him to weild power... but in reality this is done through the united Board.
You may be right in effect that, for anyone to gain control of EFC, they would need to buyout the full 66% held by the Board. However, if it was an amicable sale, I see no structural reason why Bill could not sell his 25% stake, and the buyer gain control, with the goodwill of the remaining Board members.
The reason this does not happen is liklely two-fold: they don’t want to sell... and thus there are no real prospective buyers. It takes two to tango.
I can’t really blame them for not wanting to sell; I think, if Kirkby goes through, they are effectively sitting on a goldmine. How big a goldmine probably depends on the size of the debt at the time but a nominal club value of £100M would net Bill over £2,000 per share over what he paid for them (BTW, I think he put up around £7½M, not £1M; we haven’t found anyone on here to coroborate your claim that he leveraged the £7½M through teh club’s books). I’m guessing that number would be pro-rated down by the magnitude of the outstanding debt at the time, but he stands to make a tidy sum when (not if) he decides it’s time to move on.
But why would he do so now? If the Tescodome is a real prospect, he has every reason not to sell.