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65 or 72 points?

Just had a quick look at The Right Result site (www.rightresult.net) and noticed that their adjusted table has us in 4th place on 72 points with Liverpool in 5th on 71 (5 points less). Seven points lost through potentially incompetent officials some may say.

Anyway, here's a list of the points that got away:

20 Oct - Liverpool (h) - 1:2 (should have been 2:2 - THAT penalty non-decision) = 1 point

2 Feb - Blackburn (a) - 0:0 (should have been 2:0 - another missed penalty and Johnson's ludicrous "offside" goal) = 2 points

22 Mar - West Ham (h) - 1:1 (should have been 2:1 - Yak's disallowed goal) = 2 points

27 Apr - Aston Villa (h) - 2:2 (should have been 3:2 - Petrov's handball and another penalty denied) = 2 points

This doesn't take into account missed pens, etc which wouldn't have affected the result - but basically we should have ended up with 62 goals as opposed to the 55 we actually scored (that's a difference of 7 goals) plus we should only have conceded 32 instead of the 33 we actually did.
Steve Flanagan, Liverpool Posted 13/05/2008 at 16:15:35

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Jason Lam
1 Posted 14/05/2008 at 05:04:11

I was on my Playstation the other day and Everton were in the European Cup Final and had it not been for Gerrard sticking out his leg in the box and Clattenberg blowing his dick I mean his whistle we should’ve won.

Anthony Horabin
2 Posted 14/05/2008 at 07:12:57

Right Result is just clutching at straws.

Anthony Horabin
3 Posted 14/05/2008 at 07:15:50

What about the goal off AJ’s Elbow against Sunderland. That is not included because we would be losing points so it aint worth wasting your time.

Lee Mandaracas
4 Posted 14/05/2008 at 08:33:09

I’m with Anthony and disagree with Right Result anyway. They only focus on the penalty shout everyone focuses on - i.e. Carragher’s wrestlemania grip on Lescott. There was a previous incident where Lescott was lifted off his close ball control by the throat in the area (by whom escapes me) and nothing was made of it just because Carragher was so incredibly blatant.

Also, Gerrard’s ’penalty’ and resultant sending off of Hibbert should not have counted as Gerrard clearly ran straight until just outside the area when his left leg flung out into the path of Hibbert.

Therefore, I make that match three points lost by us and three gained by Liverpool, not one each. This would have put us even further ahead of the RS.

But, like the Murphys, I’m not bitter!

Albert Dock
5 Posted 14/05/2008 at 08:45:31

Jason Lam, you are a disgrace and have totally ruined my day.

How did you (mis)manage to allow us to get beat by that lot.

In the unlikely event of you being manager next season I’ll give you some cheats.

Jonathan Tasker
6 Posted 14/05/2008 at 08:49:11

I honestly believe that there is a directive out there to make sure that the Sky 4 finish in the Top 4 places; I cannot prove it but the rightresult is probably about right.Refereees like Clattenburg or however his name is spelt, need to be exposed as cheats. The AJ goal at Blackburn was inexplicably disallowed.

Del Naisby
7 Posted 14/05/2008 at 09:01:36

What a total load of bollocks! The only table that matters is the one that says we finished fifth. What?s the point of tearing your hair out about what might have been? No doubt last year we should have finished eighth according to these idiots who have nothing better to do. Get a bloody life!

Mark Murphy
8 Posted 14/05/2008 at 08:54:57

Well I?m a Murphy and I AM bitter! At least about that result!
it was Carragher who fouled Lescott in the first incident as well by the way. Almost as blatant as the 2nd.
The trouble with Right Result is they only look at decisions on actual goal incidents. The Kuyt "tackle" and possible red card for example, was not taken into consideration.
Gerrards penalty was, I?m afraid, the result of a commonplace trick by cheating attackers (I?m a left back!) who kick out as they go down and the refs 99% of the time fall for it. See Rooneys pen on sunday? That defender was sliding into the space between them but Rooney made sure he went into him and claimed the collision.
Refs have been very poor in general in my view and I dont think there is a general bias against us (AJ at Blackburn and the Yaks v West Ham were poor decisions but I?ve seen similar in many other matches) but in Clattenburgs case I?m sure of it!

Murf

Stan Sheppard
9 Posted 14/05/2008 at 09:41:05

Who?s to say we would have scored any of the supposed penalties we should have had this season?

As for the West Ham game. One of our worst performances of the season, we were lucky to get away with 1-1 in the end.

We finished 5th, UEFA Cup slot, season over, moving on.

Stefan Tosev
10 Posted 14/05/2008 at 10:46:02

You are all missing the point Steve is trying to make, too many key decisions went against us and too many key decisions went in Liverpool?s favour and therefore influencing the final table in favour of Sky4, year after year

Simple Simon
11 Posted 14/05/2008 at 11:39:14

There is a difference between rightly being aghast at wrong decisions and claiming that the table should justly be as the Right League presents it. Simply put, it’s about cause and effect. If a decision had gone a different way to the way it went, then another set of events would have unfolded, which may be positive or negative for team X. The Right League acts as if we can take an event in isolation, change it a different event, but then act as if all effects after that, are effects after the first event, rather than the second. In other words, the Right League is bollocks.

John Lloyd
12 Posted 14/05/2008 at 13:22:23

I was trying to refain from commenting on this ’rightresult’table for the following reasons.

If the decisions in the games it mentions were given/reversed whatever how could we possibly know how the rest of the game would of played out?? For example in the game v blackburn when AJ’s goal wasnt allowed then how do we know that b’burn wouldnt have threw caution to the wind and threw on 4 strikers and scored 2 or we could of scored more!! point is we dont know........that being said, the game mentioned above & the goodison derby still do my head in, as the controversial decisions were that bleedin’ obviously incorrect that in most other countries/leagues suspicions of match fixing or referee bribeing would have been questioned but not in this country.

Clattenburg, Hackett, Riley & his bent nosed assistant that day, along with the whole FA can get to fuck. Football in this country thrives in spite of them not because of them. They are a joke at every level of football from grassroots to amateur leagues to the top of the tree & the national team etc etc........

John Maxwell
13 Posted 14/05/2008 at 13:24:13

I reckon it all evens out.

How about Lescotts offside goal at home against Man City ?

Peter Pickle
14 Posted 14/05/2008 at 13:38:49

Great stuff, all we need now is the Right League with the Right Refs and The Right FA, why dont we just support the Right Team and get the Right Players on our books, but then of course we would need the Right Chairman to buy them for us, can we be Chelsea d’ya think.

JL Slap
15 Posted 14/05/2008 at 14:13:52

Has anyone got any Right Guard? Its roasting in work & the birds are non too impressed with these under arm sweat patches!!