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Uefa — Double Standards

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On one hand we have Everton fined 5 grand for a couple of fans having a scuffle over a ticket, add this to the fine for a pitch invasion 'incident' (about 5 people I think, close to the touchline) and we really are the bad boys of Europe.

On the other hand, we have Rangers, who single-handedly almost destroy a city, spend most of the time outside the ground after the game fighting each other and then kicking 10 shades of sheeite out of a copper live on camera. Fine total =£0 . Whats going on? Why on earth are Rangers not being thrown over the coals for what they did. 'Friendly jocks' n all that. I shudder to think what would have happened if they'd have been Everton blue shirts on the streets of Manchester causing that trouble, we'd be banned forever.

Typical UEFA, instead of sorting out the proper trouble, a la Athens, let's skirt over it with some legal nonesense and fine the other clubs for infringing over the white line. Makes me sick.
Ste Boileau, Liverpool     Posted 20/05/2008 at 16:45:34

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Erik Dols
1   Posted 21/05/2008 at 07:43:05

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This is typical Uefa-nonsense. I’ve been following Uefa-punishments with great interests the last years and it seems that punishments are totally random, with the two big exceptions that the really big teams like Man U and Barca never get punishment and that they do not like to investigate anything that happens around a final because of the bad press it generates. And to be perfectly clear: I have no idea if Barcelona-fans did anything wrong in recent years, I just used them as an example of a big club.

If anything can be said about the Uefa dealings it is that they are afraid of teams with great support but not (yet) in the real elite like ourselves. Feyenoord Rotterdam got banned from Europe for far less than happened in Manchester last week. We get big fines for things that happen in a number of matches in some Eastern European countries (Romania for example and I can remember things flying around the opposing players at a Slavia Prague-match - not that we threw things but Brann did and got a fine) yet these teams always get away with a warning. It also seems that north-western europe-based teams are punished really harsh in comparison to other european teams when dealing with racist chants.

One thing: if you’re on the Uefa black list it is hard to come off. They really have prejudgement about sets of fans.
George Fulton
2   Posted 21/05/2008 at 08:48:05

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Totally agree with what you are saying, but it might be a bit too soon, as something could happen to them yet.
Neil McKinney
3   Posted 21/05/2008 at 08:39:07

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Sorry Ste, but I disagree.

We have only just been fined for an incident that happened months ago, so I am sure that Rangers will face punishment down the line. Slow turning wheels and all that.

The trouble caused by EFC fans may well have been minor compared to that of Rangers, but any trouble is unforgivable and to try and make it sound like we?ve been harshly treated IMHO is immature and is trying to vindicate the idiots who were involved. Let?s face it £5,000 in football is hardly a deterent or a real punishment so there?s no point moaning about it.

Adults should be able to behave, but it is clear that some are incapable of acting their age. I trust that our behaviour abroad will be excellent next season, so we can rebuild our reputation (and maybe even win the thing).

There have been many injustices this season, this is not one of them.

COYB!
Jonny Brown
4   Posted 21/05/2008 at 08:59:28

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Did Liverpool get fined for the trouble they caused in Athens over tickets, with all the fakes and thievery?
Alex May
5   Posted 21/05/2008 at 09:58:57

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There is no issue here with Everton being fined. After the pitch invasion in Brann, we were told by some fans that it was just a case of high-jinks. Now we have, albeit on a minor scale, an incident that is common place in matches involving the ’worst supporters in Europe’. My illusions about the quality of some of the individuals who follow us is diminishing all the time.

Get it into your thick skulls that our reputation, rightly or wrongly, is being tarnished. One day, it will cost us dearly.

Where there is an issue is with the consistency. I’m not aware of any fine for Liverpool following the latest in a very long line of incidents in Athens last year. Nor am I aware that Roma are ever fined, where the ground is a virtual no-go area for away supporters, following an agreement between ultras and police. There, the home support to rain missiles down on away supporters for 90 minutes and any retaliation is met with police brutality.

UEFA will fine teams from Balkan countries for racism, but not Real Madrid.

UEFA have already said that they will not take action against Rangers as the incidents were not in or around a ground. Yet Rangers have a reputation for poor behaviour. The daily paper in Barcelona headlined with ’Please do not ever come back’ after their game last autumn. All aspects of supporter behaviour whilst following their clubs should be taken into account.

Jimmy Fallan
6   Posted 21/05/2008 at 08:53:56

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Uefa say they can?t punish Rangers because they only have jurisdiction in and around the ground. This makes me wonder how the fuck they managed to ban Everton and another 90 odd clubs from european competition for 5 years when we weren?t even in the same fucking country.
Hypocritical gobshites.
Damian Scott
7   Posted 21/05/2008 at 10:18:52

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Yeah, the Rangers ?fans? are a disgrace. I?m sure like any club, the majority of their fans are ordinary joes who don?t cause trouble....

But when Rangers travel, it seems to be the worst hooligans that they have that get tickets and travel.

For this season in particular, I can remember reading after most of their away trips of some sort of violence or trouble in the city they were visiting. Barcelona being the most publicised one.

I didn?t get a chance to go on any of the Everton away trips to Europe this year, but from what I read and saw on the news etc, Everton fans behaved well. There is always a few idiots that slip through the net and get drunk and cause some sort of bother, but I know for sure that I?d feel a whole lot safer travelling with Evertonians than any other club... that is for sure..
Liam Young
8   Posted 21/05/2008 at 13:00:53

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What happened in Manchester last Wednesday was a disgrace, those Rangers fans are animals, how many are actual fans I wonder?? They wave their Union Jack flags, shouting Rule Brittania, yet they smash up a British City. The lot of them need banning from Europe, and get rid of this religion argument rubbish from football, catholic, protestant, who cares!! Its football supposedly. They need a severe punishment for what they did, if Uefa fail to do anything, they are majorly making mistakes. £5,000 is nothing for us, but I do think we have been singled out, treated different. Uefa are a joke.
Adam Doyle
9   Posted 21/05/2008 at 14:13:00

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We’ve only just been fined from an incident that happened months ago, Rangers fans chaos was a week ago. Give it time.
Ej Ruane
10   Posted 21/05/2008 at 17:25:59

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Jimmy - if they DO say they can?t punish Rangers because they only have jurisdiction in and around the ground, that feller who got stabbed is going to be REALLY confused. He was in his seat (or...have I got that wrong?)
Joel Roberts
11   Posted 21/05/2008 at 23:13:38

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Uefa remember are not the law, they're just a governing body. I live in Manchester and what those those ?fans? did to my city is disgusting. My point is the two events shouldn't be compared in the same light. I wince at the thought of Rangers fans
Gavin Ramejkis
12   Posted 22/05/2008 at 21:45:23

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Can’t believe I missed this thread, try looking at the figures for the Manchester debacle, police on the night admitted about 250,000 football supporters were in the city, footage on the internet filmed from mobile phones on the night if you listen you can clearly hear cockney accents and the figures being released about the massive 46 arrests out of the 250k fans show a small minority were Scottish and included Mancunians. The massive event merely attracted knobheads looking for a fight from all over the country. Approximately 30,000 fans were left at the train stations trying to get trains to Blackpool for over three hours with no tannoy messages or transport police indication that there were no trains yet the only trouble was two grown men going toe to toe which ended as quickly as it started. The press also fail to publish the growing number of stories of fans such as one I heard straight from the bruised young lady in question who was walking away from the game hand in hand with her boyfriend and got a riot shield smashed into her face for good measure, she must have looked really threatening at about 5’2". The trouble with all things that make the press and TV they are often exaggerated to titilate and perpetuate the crap those reporters or editors want you to hear or see.

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