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Why no official announcement?
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If Moyes has agreed "in principle" to a 4-year contract extension, and as such will now embark on spending whatever fund the board have provided, I am wondering why it is being suggested that they will wait tell later in the summer to officially announce it, just can't get my head around that.
For me there are two possibilities,
1) it is not yet agreed in principle and what we have are yet more assumptions from the media.
2) The agreement in principle must be dependent on something if it is not yet formally announced. That could mean anything from the amount of money for transfers to actually getting those players in.
Any suggestions or ideas?
A concerned Evertonian.
Dave Whitwell, Posted 21/05/2008 at 11:58:48
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Scott Broadhurst
2 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:36:37
2 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:36:37
I’d suggest it were more to do with Moyes going on a family holiday this week than anything else, but you automatically think the worst if you wish.
Erik Dols
3 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:41:13
3 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:41:13
I’ll believe it when I see Moyes pictured on the back of the Echo holding up a blue shirt with his name and number on! ;-)
Barry Bragg
4 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:37:54
4 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:37:54
David Moyes has always been a tough negotiator over players and now it seems he is finally turning those powers of persuasion onto his employers. Bill has had an easy ride from Davey down the years... but not anymore it seems and he is making sure the club delivers this time. He has served his apprenticeship and earned his stripes and now he is flexing his professional muscle.
I think it is another sign of Moyes finally growing into his position as one of the top managers in the league and believing in his ability to deliver a trophy challenging team. It would be tempting for him to stay in the comfort zone with the "limited funds" defence for mediocrity but he is grasping the nettle and making sure the club spends, confident that he can deliver.
I see it that the club have given him a figure for transfers that he is happy with and now he is making sure they put their collective backs into any transfer deals he wants to make. We all know that talk is cheap to Billy and Bully so the best way to do that is to leave the contract on the table until the money is spent. Good for him, good for the club ? and good for us!
I think it is another sign of Moyes finally growing into his position as one of the top managers in the league and believing in his ability to deliver a trophy challenging team. It would be tempting for him to stay in the comfort zone with the "limited funds" defence for mediocrity but he is grasping the nettle and making sure the club spends, confident that he can deliver.
I see it that the club have given him a figure for transfers that he is happy with and now he is making sure they put their collective backs into any transfer deals he wants to make. We all know that talk is cheap to Billy and Bully so the best way to do that is to leave the contract on the table until the money is spent. Good for him, good for the club ? and good for us!
Alan Willo
5 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:01:21
5 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:01:21
Maybe the board have made his bonus based on how many times we beat the top 4 or lay down and give up to them. DM is doing a good job but he still needs to change when we play the bigger teams and stop paying them too much respect and just roll up our selves and go for it. On last years performances against the top 4 we have nothing to lose. Good to see all the stupid summer posts again about EFC not doing deals quick enough for us fans who have nothing better to do than wait for the fixtures then plan next season. Only 3 months left of this pain!!!
Dave Whitwell
6 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:54:49
6 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:54:49
Scott, normally I am the eternal optimist and support the board and manager with most of what they do, I still believe we may get £30 - £40m to spend and that Arshavin, Jaquinn & the rest could happen.
I just find it really strange that the announcement has been made, if indeed it is all true. I take what your saying if he is on holiday, but then why not sign the contract during the meeting they had last week?
Just something does add up to me, I?m not trying to stir it up or start conspiracy theories, I just don?t understand it.
I just find it really strange that the announcement has been made, if indeed it is all true. I take what your saying if he is on holiday, but then why not sign the contract during the meeting they had last week?
Just something does add up to me, I?m not trying to stir it up or start conspiracy theories, I just don?t understand it.
Michael Hunt
7 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:32:26
7 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:32:26
It could be innocent and down to dotting ’i’s and ’t’s in the complex contract world of today. Then again, it could be more sinister, but we’re all just guessing really.
I’m surprised Moyes is on such a large salary though, I’d have thought he’d rather have a more sane figure with the balance to help get the best players in. He’s rumoured to be on 55 grand a week on improved contract! If he could live on 15 grand a week (should be pretty cushy I’d imagine!) then that would be an extra 10 million quid for the club to spend on players over 5 years. Not megabucks by today’s standards but isn’t the Club’s new motto going to be ’Every Little Helps’ ;-)
(IMWT though!)
I’m surprised Moyes is on such a large salary though, I’d have thought he’d rather have a more sane figure with the balance to help get the best players in. He’s rumoured to be on 55 grand a week on improved contract! If he could live on 15 grand a week (should be pretty cushy I’d imagine!) then that would be an extra 10 million quid for the club to spend on players over 5 years. Not megabucks by today’s standards but isn’t the Club’s new motto going to be ’Every Little Helps’ ;-)
(IMWT though!)
Peter Laverty
8 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:44:07
8 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:44:07
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Tony Williams
9 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:54:58
9 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:54:58
That?s a bit harsh Peter, even though I sort of agree with the premise of your post I would have suggested a more diplomatic approach ;-)
If anyone has EvertonTV, you will see from his interview after the Newcastle game that he is in for the long haul.
I don?t beleive anything I read in the papers, as they invariably start off with "A source inside Goodison has confirmed", fuck off will you, a "source", anyone in the know with regards to the situation about Moyes and funds would never leak anything to the press. Then again the media never let the truth get in the way of a good story do they?
If anyone has EvertonTV, you will see from his interview after the Newcastle game that he is in for the long haul.
I don?t beleive anything I read in the papers, as they invariably start off with "A source inside Goodison has confirmed", fuck off will you, a "source", anyone in the know with regards to the situation about Moyes and funds would never leak anything to the press. Then again the media never let the truth get in the way of a good story do they?
Paul Lenehan
10 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:16:43
10 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:16:43
As with Pienaar deal, I think we are making mountains from molehills. It's not a big issue. Moyes will sign. He has a year left to run and therefore there is no rush. He will sign before the start of the season of that I have no doubt.
Mike Dunne
11 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:15:31
11 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:15:31
Hows about David Moyes has, as stated, agreed in principle but right now needs a break and has gone on holiday for a well deserved break to recharge his batteries leaving the details of the new contact to be sorted on his return?
Or is that too simple?
Or is that too simple?
David Whitwell
12 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:19:52
12 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:19:52
Peter, you obviously haven’t read many of my posts on previous issues, because it is very rare that I seek negatives, in fact quite the opposite, I am also not suggesting that he won’t sign, I’m sure he will and very much hope that he does. I am just wondering why he hasn’t if all is agreed.
I’m sure there are contract specific issues to be ironed out, just in reference to the Liverpool post article it seems a little weird that both he & club are happy to wait until August for the signature.
I’m sure there are contract specific issues to be ironed out, just in reference to the Liverpool post article it seems a little weird that both he & club are happy to wait until August for the signature.
Erik Dols
13 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:25:09
13 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:25:09
If Moyes gets £15k a week more, this might mean that our wage structure also gets changed so we can pay new players a higher wage. Roll in Arshavin and Jo.
Mark Dunford
14 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:31:35
14 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:31:35
This is easily the most important signature Everton need to secure this summer. Negotiations of this sort usually take time and there seems no reason why this case should be an exception. Anyone in David Moyes position would seek assurances about the club?s ambitions. It is a crucial time in his own career and he is perfectly entitled to be selfish about his own future and that of his family. Football management is a precarious profession. He has done an excellent job over the past six years and has repeatedly said he is planning for next season. We shoulld have learnt by now to take him at his word. The glare of publicity and the constant demand for ?news? stories are unhelpful and articles like this fuel senseless and worrying speculation. Best to be realistic about the world, show some patience and remember the transfer window doesn?t even open for a week or two.
Trevor Lynes
15 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:41:33
15 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:41:33
While we are still dithering over DM?s signature and how much he has to spend... our staff are dwindling. Carsley has gone so to has McFadden. We already have a small squad with lots of injury worries about some of our key players. We release lots of youngsters every year and take ?stop gap? options on loan players. How can DM possibly expect to maintain a challenge and improve his squad with the present set up?
Every other team moves quicker than we do when trying for new signings... if we don't give the man some money to improve his squad in both quality and quantity Im sure he will get frustrated enough to seek pastures new. We desperately need cover in all positions and the only players we should let go are the likes of VDM. We have long term injuries to the likes of Vaughan and Cahill plus we don't know how soon Arteta will be back to his best after his injury. It's time the board invested in players and gave REAL support to the Premier League's best up and coming manager... otherwise we will lose him.
Michael Hunt
16 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:51:30
16 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:51:30
Erik, What Moyes earns should have no bearing on players’ wage structure.
Having said that, it must piss Moyes off if players like AvDM are picking up more than him given the comparatively little work/benefit for the Club they do!
Still, I think Moyes sees the ’bigger picture’ and realises the importance of using our limited resources wisely and is big enough to do what is right for Everton, as I firmly believe he is an Evertonian afterall. NSNO.
Having said that, it must piss Moyes off if players like AvDM are picking up more than him given the comparatively little work/benefit for the Club they do!
Still, I think Moyes sees the ’bigger picture’ and realises the importance of using our limited resources wisely and is big enough to do what is right for Everton, as I firmly believe he is an Evertonian afterall. NSNO.
James Marshall
17 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:05:33
17 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:05:33
The usual blue paranoia raises its ugly head again I see - its simple, he’s agreed in principle i.e. verbally that he’ll sign a new contract but the contract hasn’t been finalised or signed yet, hence no official anouncement.
There’s no great secret here.
There’s no great secret here.
Michael Hunt
18 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:07:07
18 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:07:07
Trevor, That is I feel a very pertinant point regarding players not yet replaced. Stubbs has not been replaced either since Gardner has gone back now. Gravesen and Fernandes are also gone from the resources we had (when fit) last season.
I hope Moyes not signing yet is not causing any barriers in securing new recruits...we really could benefit from getting players in ready for the start of pre-season. The euros will cause an expensive delay so strike now when the iron is hot I say (even if only water tight pre-contract agreements pending official summer transfer window opening).
I hope Moyes not signing yet is not causing any barriers in securing new recruits...we really could benefit from getting players in ready for the start of pre-season. The euros will cause an expensive delay so strike now when the iron is hot I say (even if only water tight pre-contract agreements pending official summer transfer window opening).
Vinny Garstrokes
19 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:58:08
19 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:58:08
Lose him to who ??? I can maybe see him heading north of the border in his twilight management years but lets be honest thats something he could do in his dinner hour at the moment. Smith and McLeish know to their cost how hard it is to cut it in the Premier League. Rangers were v lucky against Valencia and got found out big style by Zenit.
Bobby McDermott
20 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:14:52
20 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:14:52
Ok try this theory?.
They had a meeting last week to talk about the terms of his new contract, do you honestly think Bill was writing these on a napkin and Moyes signed that at the end of the meeting!!??
Maybe the terms and conditions were agreed ?in principle?, now I?m no lawyer but is it possible that it takes time to draw up the actual contract. In the meantime, Moyes goes on a family hol and the glossy new contract will be sitting on the table waiting for him when he returns.
The club don?t want to make an announcement until that?s done.
Why does everything have to be a drama?
They had a meeting last week to talk about the terms of his new contract, do you honestly think Bill was writing these on a napkin and Moyes signed that at the end of the meeting!!??
Maybe the terms and conditions were agreed ?in principle?, now I?m no lawyer but is it possible that it takes time to draw up the actual contract. In the meantime, Moyes goes on a family hol and the glossy new contract will be sitting on the table waiting for him when he returns.
The club don?t want to make an announcement until that?s done.
Why does everything have to be a drama?
Tony Waverleas
21 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:11:24
21 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:11:24
David Moyes is not soft and if there was anything suspect in the stories appearing in the local press over the last few days then have no doubt either Moyes himself or his representatives would move swiftly to put the record straight.
Until that happens the can we please put this latest round of paranoia to bed?
Until that happens the can we please put this latest round of paranoia to bed?
Anthony Horabin
22 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:18:56
22 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:18:56
Maybe because there is nothing to announce yet!
Barry Sherlock
23 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:01:31
23 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:01:31
Moyes is trying to get the best for the club and for himself. He deserves it. And so do we. Because if he negociates getting a higher/longer contract, in turn we (the fans) get a great manager and better players.
That’s got to be what we all want?
The reason they don’t want to go making an anouncement is that will inflate prices. If EFC come out and make a statement saying DM has signed a 4or 5 year deal because they are backing him with big money, suddenly a player who was £2m jumps to £3m. Or the terms of the deal change; we want to spread the payments, but they want a big slice up front. It’s business.
Some will say this is penny pinching but it makes good business sence.
Moyes is a blue. He hasn’t finished the job. COYB.
That’s got to be what we all want?
The reason they don’t want to go making an anouncement is that will inflate prices. If EFC come out and make a statement saying DM has signed a 4or 5 year deal because they are backing him with big money, suddenly a player who was £2m jumps to £3m. Or the terms of the deal change; we want to spread the payments, but they want a big slice up front. It’s business.
Some will say this is penny pinching but it makes good business sence.
Moyes is a blue. He hasn’t finished the job. COYB.
Mark Gray
24 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:14
24 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:14
Some bad ?head in the sand? replies in this thread, dotting the i?s etc!
I don?t think these contracts are really that complicated, the only difference would be the dates and the amount. He already has a contract, how long does it take to print off the same document with changed dates and values? I can?t see Moyes adding in any complicated clauses an you?
The simple fact is, like Moyes has said, is he is waiting to see if the board deliver. Moyes knows Kenwright is a bullshitter and he is waiting to see if he delivers.
Pure and Simple
The ball, as it was before the end of the season, is with the board of Everton FC
Time for Kenwright and Co to finally deliver
Goodbye Mr Kenwright!!
I don?t think these contracts are really that complicated, the only difference would be the dates and the amount. He already has a contract, how long does it take to print off the same document with changed dates and values? I can?t see Moyes adding in any complicated clauses an you?
The simple fact is, like Moyes has said, is he is waiting to see if the board deliver. Moyes knows Kenwright is a bullshitter and he is waiting to see if he delivers.
Pure and Simple
The ball, as it was before the end of the season, is with the board of Everton FC
Time for Kenwright and Co to finally deliver
Goodbye Mr Kenwright!!
Gerard Madden
25 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:47
25 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:47
Ol’ Gedney is not fooled by this. The magnification of this non-story/opinion peice is so funny and so obvious and so is the position TW have chosen to put it, I glanced at my screen I saw this non-story/opinion piece at THE eye-catching headline of the day on TW - and guess what? Its a negative opinion piece at a time when every blue I know is mighty happy with things on ’n off the pitch, what a surprise. He’ll sign before the start of the season, if he wasnt satisfied with the meeting last week he would have walked away end of. Now will TW give this opinion piece/non-story the profile it deserves at the side of the screen only or are they going to continue to sensationalise negative opinions? Ol’ Gedney isnt fooled. ;)
Phil Martin
26 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:36:21
26 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:36:21
We are doing things the "Everton" way... isn't that what BK usually says?
i.e. no fucker knows whats happening
i.e. no fucker knows whats happening
Richard Harris
27 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:56:39
27 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:56:39
There will be money from poorly paid actors !!
From the Independent 22 May 2008
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/pandora/pandora-fiona-flees-the-phone-flinging-832149.html
>Equity tells Kenwright: get yer wallet out
Plastic swords and buckets of fake blood at the ready: Bill Kenwright and the acting union Equity are to enter battle.
As the chairman of Everton Football Club, Kenwright, is familiar with being badgered for better wages. His thick hide takes a tanning though in an astonishing broadside in The Stage. Equity president, Harry Landis, pans Bill as "the worst payer in the West End". "They keep saying he’s going to put lots of money into Everton this summer, but that money comes from poorly paid actors," Landis tells Pandora. "He pays the bare minimum £400 a week. He won’t open his books so we can only go on what his cast ? our members ? say.
"It’s disgusting that lots of actors in the West End need another job, or sometimes two. They say he had a bumper season. Well where’s the money?" Kenwright runs current productions of Blood Brothers, Cabaret and The Vortex. His associate producer and representative on earth, Julius Green, shoots back that Landis has been "ignorant", "misleading" and "blatantly slanderous". Replies Landis: "Let him sue."
From the Independent 22 May 2008
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/pandora/pandora-fiona-flees-the-phone-flinging-832149.html
>Equity tells Kenwright: get yer wallet out
Plastic swords and buckets of fake blood at the ready: Bill Kenwright and the acting union Equity are to enter battle.
As the chairman of Everton Football Club, Kenwright, is familiar with being badgered for better wages. His thick hide takes a tanning though in an astonishing broadside in The Stage. Equity president, Harry Landis, pans Bill as "the worst payer in the West End". "They keep saying he’s going to put lots of money into Everton this summer, but that money comes from poorly paid actors," Landis tells Pandora. "He pays the bare minimum £400 a week. He won’t open his books so we can only go on what his cast ? our members ? say.
"It’s disgusting that lots of actors in the West End need another job, or sometimes two. They say he had a bumper season. Well where’s the money?" Kenwright runs current productions of Blood Brothers, Cabaret and The Vortex. His associate producer and representative on earth, Julius Green, shoots back that Landis has been "ignorant", "misleading" and "blatantly slanderous". Replies Landis: "Let him sue."
James Marshall
28 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:01:06
28 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:01:06
All this clamouring for information is bullshit - do you know all the contract details for your own colleagues??! No of course you don’t, so why should you know everything about a football managers?? Do you know the details of other managers??? NO!
John Joe
29 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:51:57
29 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:51:57
It took me a couple of months to sort out my last contract change at work,
I’d imagine that Moyes’ contract is a little more complicated than ’what rate is my mileage paid at?’
Non-story.
I’d imagine that Moyes’ contract is a little more complicated than ’what rate is my mileage paid at?’
Non-story.
Shaun Nesbitt
30 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:39:26
30 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:39:26
Moyes isn’t or wasn’t on a holiday. He was seen up in Scotland at Tommy Burn’s funeral.
Alan Willo
31 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:15:21
31 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:15:21
Richard Harris, or should it be Richard Head? Why are you attacking Bill on his business? What the fuck has it got to do with you, to quote some wanker from the Actors union just sums up what a Richard Head you are!!! This is a non-story due to the lack of activity around at present so take any bit of information or even speculation this time of year with a pinch of salt. My God, these posts make the Kirkby debate sound interesting!!! COYB
Chris Jones
32 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:49:26
32 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:49:26
Yes the club has yet to make an announcement, and I dare say they won?t reveal how much Moyes will be allowed to spend. That?s not something we do, thankfully. As soon as you announce you have squillions to spend then the price of the most ordinary of players suddenly sky- rockets. Get real everyone.
Paul Henshaw
33 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:53:03
33 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:53:03
A non-story here.... you can tell it?s summer already can?t you..? People are bored and the season has only just finished!
Andy MacFarlane
34 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:03:59
34 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:03:59
Oh, come on, Guys. The gutter press have been putting the usual mischievous spin ("Moyes stalls on contract") etc for months now. The discussions between BK and DM took place exactly when Davey Moyes predicetd it would. Now, what if EFC had announced NOTHING? Can you see the headlines? "Moyes contract talks collapse".."Moyes storms out of contract talks" etc. All EFC have done is to announce that the taks went as expected. As to "signing" a contract, you don?t do that by writing out the terms on a table napkin. Lawyers / Accountants will now be getting on with the fine tuning. That?s just the way these things happen.
Richard Harris
35 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:02:31
35 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:02:31
Alan Willo obviously doesn’t understand irony. People are always worrying about where the money will come from for transfers and wages so a quote on the underpaid actors (and if you had talked to many actors in Bill’s shows you would know their feelings on his payments) who would indirectly fund us was meant to be ironic.....
Not literal; and not out of context which is why I pasted the whole article. So who looks a real ’Richard Head’ now Alan ?
Not literal; and not out of context which is why I pasted the whole article. So who looks a real ’Richard Head’ now Alan ?
James Marshall
36 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:26:29
36 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:26:29
Incidentally, I loved your performance in A Man Called Horse, Rich - sterling!
Jay Harris
37 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:06:49
37 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:06:49
Difficult though it is, I say we all sit tight and see what happens for the next 2 months. I know we?re all logging in to ToffeeWeb every day to see who the next possibilities are but time will tell if the "Terrible Twins" don't deliver.
For what it?s worth, I think DM was concerned about the bullshit over Fernandes last August and is laying his marker down to get squad additions in early so we can have a proper pre-season, bedding in all the new (hopefully)players.
We should remember we now only have Arteta, Osman, Cahill and Pienaar for MF and 2 of those are dubious because of injuries.
That's a hell of a change to bring in 3 or 4 NEW players into the engine room and get them bedded in.
As regards DM?s reputed £2.5 Million a year, that appears to be about the minimum for the average prem manager these days.
I also think we all need to cool our optimism for next season because I think Dm will be building a team for the future and will have to see how the new players fit in.
For what it?s worth, I think DM was concerned about the bullshit over Fernandes last August and is laying his marker down to get squad additions in early so we can have a proper pre-season, bedding in all the new (hopefully)players.
We should remember we now only have Arteta, Osman, Cahill and Pienaar for MF and 2 of those are dubious because of injuries.
That's a hell of a change to bring in 3 or 4 NEW players into the engine room and get them bedded in.
As regards DM?s reputed £2.5 Million a year, that appears to be about the minimum for the average prem manager these days.
I also think we all need to cool our optimism for next season because I think Dm will be building a team for the future and will have to see how the new players fit in.
Mark Pendleton
38 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:43:54
38 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:43:54
I agree there’s nothing to report here. It’s likely that BK and DM agreed what are effectively "head of agreement". Content likely to be salary, bonuses, wage budget, funding etc. The matter will now be left for the legal people on both sides to get the written agreement done and sort out the fine print. That’s how business normally works. It also gives Moyes the go ahead to press on with preparing for his recruitment drive this year.
Alan Clarke
39 Posted 22/05/2008 at 21:22:48
39 Posted 22/05/2008 at 21:22:48
Our chairman is a tight arsed wanker. If he raises £20 million for Moyes, then we received £5.5mil for McFadden and we just received £1.5mil for Rooney. Kenwright has only managed to generate £13mil which is easily made from the TV money so infact Kenwright has done fuck all again for a whole fucking season to find any fucking investment. I am absolutely sick of this idiot in charge of our club. There are billionaires falling over themselves to invest in football clubs at the moment and Kenwright can?t find a bloody penny.
Tony Williams
40 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:14:32
40 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:14:32
He is not tight arsed he is just skint, there is a difference, then again if I litter my post with expletives pehaps mine will be the truth.....FACT etc etc
Alan Clarke
41 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:21:14
41 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:21:14
Sorry Tony that I can’t be more eloquent when referring to our beloved "Blue Bill". People must share my frustration with this inept man at the helm of our great club, surely?
I take it from your patronising tone, that you must be happy with Kenwright?
I take it from your patronising tone, that you must be happy with Kenwright?
Tony Williams
42 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:42:40
42 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:42:40
Not at all Alan, he has done his duty and I would love nothing better than an investor to sweep in, tell the world he has loved Everton since he was a kid and get us moving forward and take Kenwright’s place.....but it’s not going to happen with the club in the financial state it is in at the moment but to call him a tight arse is simply not true.
His heart is massive but unfortunately his bank balance isn’t
His heart is massive but unfortunately his bank balance isn’t
Dave Gerrard
43 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:38:21
43 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:38:21
So what if Moyes is on £55k a week? I dare to say he has more of an impact on the fortunes of this club than any single £55k a week player could. His shrewd signings and success on the field have boosted the clubs value to such an extent that I think that £55k a week is something of a bargain in todays day and age. Just hope he signs a new contract soon and puts an end to all this speculation.
Ed Fitzgerald
44 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:06:13
44 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:06:13
Tony, What are you on about? "His heart is massive" ? you have been infected by his luvvie language. I would call him inept, mendacious and invisible in a crisis.
Jay Harris
45 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:17:34
45 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:17:34
Tony Williams.
So if Bill?s consortium own 66% of EFC currently valued at £100 million you call that skint?
And if the main shareholder of that same consortium frequently publicly states that he is seeking investment 24/7 but then declares he has no intention of diluting his shareholding to help EFC, what does that make him?
Skint? I don't think so but I can think of more appropriate descriptions.
So if Bill?s consortium own 66% of EFC currently valued at £100 million you call that skint?
And if the main shareholder of that same consortium frequently publicly states that he is seeking investment 24/7 but then declares he has no intention of diluting his shareholding to help EFC, what does that make him?
Skint? I don't think so but I can think of more appropriate descriptions.
Tony Williams
46 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:42:37
46 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:42:37
Ed you can call me infected with his "luviness" all you want and Jay my house is worth over £150k but I have considerably less in the bank.
My point was, if you care to read it, that he is not a tight arse, nothing more sinister just that it is hard to call someone a tight arse when they have broken the transfer record three summers on the bounce.
My point was, if you care to read it, that he is not a tight arse, nothing more sinister just that it is hard to call someone a tight arse when they have broken the transfer record three summers on the bounce.
Jay Harris
47 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:53:49
47 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:53:49
Tony
let me just point out this excellent post by Alex May:
"This old nonsense about breaking the transfer record 3 times is trotted out again. We sell one player for £23m and spend £6m of it on a replacement. What a stroke of genius!
In total, our 3 record signings cost a little over £3m more than our receipt for Rooney. How in the hell does the board deserve credit for this. In the time that Moyes has been in charge, we must have had £175m - £200m in income from sky and other TV deals. We have spend under £5m a year net on average.
Given that Walter Smith broke even as manager, give or take a million or so, then we have spent around £30m net since Peter Johnson left the club, or less than Man Utd spent on Rio Ferdinand.
Absolutely pathetic, as is praising the man responsible."
let me just point out this excellent post by Alex May:
"This old nonsense about breaking the transfer record 3 times is trotted out again. We sell one player for £23m and spend £6m of it on a replacement. What a stroke of genius!
In total, our 3 record signings cost a little over £3m more than our receipt for Rooney. How in the hell does the board deserve credit for this. In the time that Moyes has been in charge, we must have had £175m - £200m in income from sky and other TV deals. We have spend under £5m a year net on average.
Given that Walter Smith broke even as manager, give or take a million or so, then we have spent around £30m net since Peter Johnson left the club, or less than Man Utd spent on Rio Ferdinand.
Absolutely pathetic, as is praising the man responsible."
Tony Williams
48 Posted 23/05/2008 at 01:06:33
48 Posted 23/05/2008 at 01:06:33
Jay, who is praising him?
I will say it one last time, I disagreed with the poster calling him a tight arse, nothing else but you seem to want to go on a crusade in showing me how Kenwright is such a cad etc.
I am not a great fan of his, as I have already said I wouldn’t mind seeing him out and a rich Evertonian taking over.
I will say it one last time, I disagreed with the poster calling him a tight arse, nothing else but you seem to want to go on a crusade in showing me how Kenwright is such a cad etc.
I am not a great fan of his, as I have already said I wouldn’t mind seeing him out and a rich Evertonian taking over.
Michael Hunt
49 Posted 23/05/2008 at 02:14:05
49 Posted 23/05/2008 at 02:14:05
@ Dave Gerrard: I agree Moyes is "worth" the salary he gets for his excellent performance (in terms of results overall versus our expensively assembled rivals).
However, as an Evertonian (which I firmly believe him to be), I’d have thought he’d rather have 15,000 pounds weekly basic salary (i.e. 780,000 pounds a year, which is 3,900,000 pounds over five years). On the understanding that it gives him an extra 10,000,000 to spend on the team - given that good investment in the team is a key determinant of Everton’s success.
It still represents a very small figure Vs yearly: TV money, gate receipts and merit payments etc, but ’Every Little Helps’!
COYB!
However, as an Evertonian (which I firmly believe him to be), I’d have thought he’d rather have 15,000 pounds weekly basic salary (i.e. 780,000 pounds a year, which is 3,900,000 pounds over five years). On the understanding that it gives him an extra 10,000,000 to spend on the team - given that good investment in the team is a key determinant of Everton’s success.
It still represents a very small figure Vs yearly: TV money, gate receipts and merit payments etc, but ’Every Little Helps’!
COYB!
David Ellis
50 Posted 23/05/2008 at 05:19:10
50 Posted 23/05/2008 at 05:19:10
I am a lawyer. You just don’t sign contracts "in the meeting" as some have suggested. It is perfectly normal for the deal to be agreed "in principle" - meaning the big commecial points like salary, length of term etc are agreed - and then give the lawyers a week or two to finalise the nitty gritty or some of the drafting - and Moyes can then review it when he gets back from his holiday.
This delay could be for more sinister reasons but the given explanation is entirely plausible.
This delay could be for more sinister reasons but the given explanation is entirely plausible.
Mark Gray
51 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:04:43
51 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:04:43
The thing is though David you would expect a new contract for a new employee to take some time to produce, but a contract for an existing employee?
The board have had ALL YEAR to prepare the document, they knew discussions where to take place at the end of the season so should of had something drafted. As I said, I can’t see Moyes wishing for any complicated clauses to be inserted so the actual excuse that the delay is in the paperwork just doesn’t stack up.
Moyes has told us what it is.
He is waiting to see if the board deliver.
No doubt Moyes knows the board better than most and doesn’t TRUST them to deliver.
Says it all really.
The board have had ALL YEAR to prepare the document, they knew discussions where to take place at the end of the season so should of had something drafted. As I said, I can’t see Moyes wishing for any complicated clauses to be inserted so the actual excuse that the delay is in the paperwork just doesn’t stack up.
Moyes has told us what it is.
He is waiting to see if the board deliver.
No doubt Moyes knows the board better than most and doesn’t TRUST them to deliver.
Says it all really.
Alan Willo
52 Posted 23/05/2008 at 07:44:52
52 Posted 23/05/2008 at 07:44:52
Richard Head, you do because it has no relevance at all. Since when did small time lovies who don?t hold major roles demand the big money in second rate productions in London, never. BK doesn?t run EFC Ltd, he is an unpaid Chairman. When does BK put in his own money, never again as the only criticism of BK is he hasn?t got a billion pounds in the bank.
Union people talk a load of shit that?s why I and millions of others choose not to be in one. All your article was meant to do was again damage BK reputation and lead conspiracy theorist to believe that because Moyes hasn?t signed then BK must be holding back wages or transfer funds.
EFC Ltd have broken the transfer record 3 summers in a row, EFC LTD have secured long term contracts for all major players which includes breaking the old salary structure so these players feel they are paid in line with other Premiership players.
These facts are all clear for all Evertonians to see, we as a club are progressing slowly but shortly in to the top sections of the league both on and off the field. I would expect a similar controlled growth this year in line with increased revenue sustained in the season just gone but unless we continue to achieve good results then future summers would see us holding back a bit.
Today with are in the ascendancy both on the field and off it, why cant you just enjoy it and give all concerned a pat on the back or would that be too much to ask?? Anyway have a little reality pill and remember apart from the top 4 every other team is trying to achieve what we have done this year, What we need to do as fans and a Club is believe we can go higher and that can only be done as a team.
Tony Williams
53 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:52:07
53 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:52:07
Mark I used to work in an insurance company that had a contract with Motability and every three or so years when the contract was coming to an end it took months and months of negotiating to keep the contract.
They were not a new customer but an existing one and to simplify such a complicated process as an employment contract to "well he already works here so all we have to do is change the figures", just isn?t fesible.
They were not a new customer but an existing one and to simplify such a complicated process as an employment contract to "well he already works here so all we have to do is change the figures", just isn?t fesible.
Mark Gray
54 Posted 23/05/2008 at 09:35:32
54 Posted 23/05/2008 at 09:35:32
Tony, I frequently award contracts worth £millions to companies. Although not specific to an individual, these documents are specific to the company in question.
We mostly use generic templates that are prepared by our legal department and then amend each one to suit the terms agreed with the other party.
I have prepared these documents, usually over 250 pages, many in a day! These contracts have about 30 or so pages specific to their contract conditions
As I said, done in a day. There is no reason for something like this to hold up proceedings.
I don?t share this view that this is the reason for the hold up, especially when Moyes has already stated he will reserve his judgement until he knows he will be backed by the board.
We mostly use generic templates that are prepared by our legal department and then amend each one to suit the terms agreed with the other party.
I have prepared these documents, usually over 250 pages, many in a day! These contracts have about 30 or so pages specific to their contract conditions
As I said, done in a day. There is no reason for something like this to hold up proceedings.
I don?t share this view that this is the reason for the hold up, especially when Moyes has already stated he will reserve his judgement until he knows he will be backed by the board.
Tony Williams
55 Posted 23/05/2008 at 10:22:50
55 Posted 23/05/2008 at 10:22:50
Aye Mark and there’s the rub, both of the examples used are not EvertonFC or David Moyes.
We simply do not know what happens with contracts, Look at Yobo and his missing pen and the Pienaar saga.
Nothing is essentially done quickly, apart from panic buys and last minute loans.
That is why I am not concerned in the slightest or do you believe Moyes is not a man of his word. As shown with the Rooney issue, he will fight any untruths against him. If he has not agreed in principle why has he not made the paper print a retraction?
We simply do not know what happens with contracts, Look at Yobo and his missing pen and the Pienaar saga.
Nothing is essentially done quickly, apart from panic buys and last minute loans.
That is why I am not concerned in the slightest or do you believe Moyes is not a man of his word. As shown with the Rooney issue, he will fight any untruths against him. If he has not agreed in principle why has he not made the paper print a retraction?
Mark Gray
56 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:01:48
56 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:01:48
Tony, what is the rub? Negotiating with Everton is like pulling teeth?
Moyes met with Kenwright, not Wyness, not Elstone nor anyone else. Clearly the terms of any deal cannot be THAT complicated. You are just finding excuses and are completely overlooking what Moyes has previously said.
Moyes has said he is waiting to see what the board do to back him in the transfer market this summer before he commits to a new deal.
Moyes has not yet said he is to sign a contract, the recent news is just spin from the club to calm Evertonian concerns.
There are no quotes attributed to David Moyes.
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires.
We will all have to wait and see how the board back him this summer and how long it takes for Moyes to actually sign his new contract.
I suspect Moyes will not commit until new players start arriving at Goodison
Moyes met with Kenwright, not Wyness, not Elstone nor anyone else. Clearly the terms of any deal cannot be THAT complicated. You are just finding excuses and are completely overlooking what Moyes has previously said.
Moyes has said he is waiting to see what the board do to back him in the transfer market this summer before he commits to a new deal.
Moyes has not yet said he is to sign a contract, the recent news is just spin from the club to calm Evertonian concerns.
There are no quotes attributed to David Moyes.
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires.
We will all have to wait and see how the board back him this summer and how long it takes for Moyes to actually sign his new contract.
I suspect Moyes will not commit until new players start arriving at Goodison
Tony Williams
57 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:48:02
57 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:48:02
Once again we cannot know anything about a football managers contract, it?s a simple as that. We cannot compare them to an Insurance contract or the ones you deal with and no matter how many times you say it can?t be that complicated you and I simply can?t know.
If you watch the interview on EvertonTV (if you are a subscriber) after the Toon game Moyes pretty much confirms that he will sign a new conetract as it "what the Everton fans deserve"
Yes talk is cheap but contracts are complicated.... as old blues eyes once sung and a big-toothed bint once said..... That?s Life!
If you watch the interview on EvertonTV (if you are a subscriber) after the Toon game Moyes pretty much confirms that he will sign a new conetract as it "what the Everton fans deserve"
Yes talk is cheap but contracts are complicated.... as old blues eyes once sung and a big-toothed bint once said..... That?s Life!
Mark Gray
58 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:57:22
58 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:57:22
Tony, I can’t see the point in continuing this dialogue.
As I said...
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires
Thats what this is about, not administrative delays.
You believe what you like, if this was a formality, it would have been sorted by now.
It hasn’t and it won’t be sorted until Moyes gets what he wants from the board.
As I said...
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires
Thats what this is about, not administrative delays.
You believe what you like, if this was a formality, it would have been sorted by now.
It hasn’t and it won’t be sorted until Moyes gets what he wants from the board.
Tony Williams
59 Posted 23/05/2008 at 12:47:34
59 Posted 23/05/2008 at 12:47:34
Mark it seems that we are arguing the same point from different angles you are saying that Moyes won’t do anything until he gets what he wants..........which will probably be connected to a complicated clause in his contract, hence the delay.
Lewis Barclay
60 Posted 24/05/2008 at 16:53:30
60 Posted 24/05/2008 at 16:53:30
I reckon it?s going to have something to do with Moyes?s Number 2.
I also think it?s more than a coincidence that Colin Harvey has been talking about being manager of Everton to the BBC.
I also think it?s more than a coincidence that Colin Harvey has been talking about being manager of Everton to the BBC.
Brian Wilkinson
61 Posted 26/05/2008 at 21:21:23
61 Posted 26/05/2008 at 21:21:23
In regards to no announcment yet I am looking at the 2nd option in regards to transfers. It seems every season Everton wait until the reduced season tickets have been sold then make a major signing to offload or temp a few more season ticket sales. I would sooner get new players in sooner rather than later. It's obvious our number one target has got to be a ball-winning midfielder; we are too lightweight in midfield. Now Carsley has left, we are deep in it if we do not sign someone who can tackle in the mold of Carsley and Joe Parkinson.
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