If Moyes has agreed "in principle" to a 4-year contract extension, and as such will now embark on spending whatever fund the board have provided, I am wondering why it is being suggested that they will wait tell later in the summer to officially announce it, just can't get my head around that.
For me there are two possibilities,
1) it is not yet agreed in principle and what we have are yet more assumptions from the media.
2) The agreement in principle must be dependent on something if it is not yet formally announced. That could mean anything from the amount of money for transfers to actually getting those players in.
Any suggestions or ideas?
A concerned Evertonian.
Dave Whitwell, Posted 21/05/2008 at 11:58:48
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1 Posted 22/05/2008 at 06:39:52
2 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:36:37
3 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:41:13
4 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:37:54
I think it is another sign of Moyes finally growing into his position as one of the top managers in the league and believing in his ability to deliver a trophy challenging team. It would be tempting for him to stay in the comfort zone with the "limited funds" defence for mediocrity but he is grasping the nettle and making sure the club spends, confident that he can deliver.
I see it that the club have given him a figure for transfers that he is happy with and now he is making sure they put their collective backs into any transfer deals he wants to make. We all know that talk is cheap to Billy and Bully so the best way to do that is to leave the contract on the table until the money is spent. Good for him, good for the club ? and good for us!
5 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:01:21
6 Posted 22/05/2008 at 07:54:49
I just find it really strange that the announcement has been made, if indeed it is all true. I take what your saying if he is on holiday, but then why not sign the contract during the meeting they had last week?
Just something does add up to me, I?m not trying to stir it up or start conspiracy theories, I just don?t understand it.
7 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:32:26
I’m surprised Moyes is on such a large salary though, I’d have thought he’d rather have a more sane figure with the balance to help get the best players in. He’s rumoured to be on 55 grand a week on improved contract! If he could live on 15 grand a week (should be pretty cushy I’d imagine!) then that would be an extra 10 million quid for the club to spend on players over 5 years. Not megabucks by today’s standards but isn’t the Club’s new motto going to be ’Every Little Helps’ ;-)
8 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:44:07
9 Posted 22/05/2008 at 08:54:58
If anyone has EvertonTV, you will see from his interview after the Newcastle game that he is in for the long haul.
I don?t beleive anything I read in the papers, as they invariably start off with "A source inside Goodison has confirmed", fuck off will you, a "source", anyone in the know with regards to the situation about Moyes and funds would never leak anything to the press. Then again the media never let the truth get in the way of a good story do they?
10 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:16:43
11 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:15:31
Or is that too simple?
12 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:19:52
I’m sure there are contract specific issues to be ironed out, just in reference to the Liverpool post article it seems a little weird that both he & club are happy to wait until August for the signature.
13 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:25:09
14 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:31:35
15 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:41:33
Every other team moves quicker than we do when trying for new signings... if we don't give the man some money to improve his squad in both quality and quantity Im sure he will get frustrated enough to seek pastures new. We desperately need cover in all positions and the only players we should let go are the likes of VDM. We have long term injuries to the likes of Vaughan and Cahill plus we don't know how soon Arteta will be back to his best after his injury. It's time the board invested in players and gave REAL support to the Premier League's best up and coming manager... otherwise we will lose him.
16 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:51:30
Having said that, it must piss Moyes off if players like AvDM are picking up more than him given the comparatively little work/benefit for the Club they do!
Still, I think Moyes sees the ’bigger picture’ and realises the importance of using our limited resources wisely and is big enough to do what is right for Everton, as I firmly believe he is an Evertonian afterall. NSNO.
17 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:05:33
There’s no great secret here.
18 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:07:07
I hope Moyes not signing yet is not causing any barriers in securing new recruits...we really could benefit from getting players in ready for the start of pre-season. The euros will cause an expensive delay so strike now when the iron is hot I say (even if only water tight pre-contract agreements pending official summer transfer window opening).
19 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:58:08
20 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:14:52
They had a meeting last week to talk about the terms of his new contract, do you honestly think Bill was writing these on a napkin and Moyes signed that at the end of the meeting!!??
Maybe the terms and conditions were agreed ?in principle?, now I?m no lawyer but is it possible that it takes time to draw up the actual contract. In the meantime, Moyes goes on a family hol and the glossy new contract will be sitting on the table waiting for him when he returns.
The club don?t want to make an announcement until that?s done.
Why does everything have to be a drama?
21 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:11:24
Until that happens the can we please put this latest round of paranoia to bed?
22 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:18:56
23 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:01:31
That’s got to be what we all want?
The reason they don’t want to go making an anouncement is that will inflate prices. If EFC come out and make a statement saying DM has signed a 4or 5 year deal because they are backing him with big money, suddenly a player who was £2m jumps to £3m. Or the terms of the deal change; we want to spread the payments, but they want a big slice up front. It’s business.
Some will say this is penny pinching but it makes good business sence.
Moyes is a blue. He hasn’t finished the job. COYB.
24 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:14
I don?t think these contracts are really that complicated, the only difference would be the dates and the amount. He already has a contract, how long does it take to print off the same document with changed dates and values? I can?t see Moyes adding in any complicated clauses an you?
The simple fact is, like Moyes has said, is he is waiting to see if the board deliver. Moyes knows Kenwright is a bullshitter and he is waiting to see if he delivers.
Pure and Simple
The ball, as it was before the end of the season, is with the board of Everton FC
Time for Kenwright and Co to finally deliver
Goodbye Mr Kenwright!!
25 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:16:47
26 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:36:21
i.e. no fucker knows whats happening
27 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:56:39
From the Independent 22 May 2008
>Equity tells Kenwright: get yer wallet out
Plastic swords and buckets of fake blood at the ready: Bill Kenwright and the acting union Equity are to enter battle.
As the chairman of Everton Football Club, Kenwright, is familiar with being badgered for better wages. His thick hide takes a tanning though in an astonishing broadside in The Stage. Equity president, Harry Landis, pans Bill as "the worst payer in the West End". "They keep saying he’s going to put lots of money into Everton this summer, but that money comes from poorly paid actors," Landis tells Pandora. "He pays the bare minimum £400 a week. He won’t open his books so we can only go on what his cast ? our members ? say.
"It’s disgusting that lots of actors in the West End need another job, or sometimes two. They say he had a bumper season. Well where’s the money?" Kenwright runs current productions of Blood Brothers, Cabaret and The Vortex. His associate producer and representative on earth, Julius Green, shoots back that Landis has been "ignorant", "misleading" and "blatantly slanderous". Replies Landis: "Let him sue."
28 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:01:06
29 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:51:57
I’d imagine that Moyes’ contract is a little more complicated than ’what rate is my mileage paid at?’
30 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:39:26
31 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:15:21
32 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:49:26
33 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:53:03
34 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:03:59
35 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:02:31
Not literal; and not out of context which is why I pasted the whole article. So who looks a real ’Richard Head’ now Alan ?
36 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:26:29
37 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:06:49
For what it?s worth, I think DM was concerned about the bullshit over Fernandes last August and is laying his marker down to get squad additions in early so we can have a proper pre-season, bedding in all the new (hopefully)players.
We should remember we now only have Arteta, Osman, Cahill and Pienaar for MF and 2 of those are dubious because of injuries.
That's a hell of a change to bring in 3 or 4 NEW players into the engine room and get them bedded in.
As regards DM?s reputed £2.5 Million a year, that appears to be about the minimum for the average prem manager these days.
I also think we all need to cool our optimism for next season because I think Dm will be building a team for the future and will have to see how the new players fit in.
38 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:43:54
39 Posted 22/05/2008 at 21:22:48
40 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:14:32
41 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:21:14
I take it from your patronising tone, that you must be happy with Kenwright?
42 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:42:40
His heart is massive but unfortunately his bank balance isn’t
43 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:38:21
44 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:06:13
45 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:17:34
So if Bill?s consortium own 66% of EFC currently valued at £100 million you call that skint?
And if the main shareholder of that same consortium frequently publicly states that he is seeking investment 24/7 but then declares he has no intention of diluting his shareholding to help EFC, what does that make him?
Skint? I don't think so but I can think of more appropriate descriptions.
46 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:42:37
My point was, if you care to read it, that he is not a tight arse, nothing more sinister just that it is hard to call someone a tight arse when they have broken the transfer record three summers on the bounce.
47 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:53:49
let me just point out this excellent post by Alex May:
"This old nonsense about breaking the transfer record 3 times is trotted out again. We sell one player for £23m and spend £6m of it on a replacement. What a stroke of genius!
In total, our 3 record signings cost a little over £3m more than our receipt for Rooney. How in the hell does the board deserve credit for this. In the time that Moyes has been in charge, we must have had £175m - £200m in income from sky and other TV deals. We have spend under £5m a year net on average.
Given that Walter Smith broke even as manager, give or take a million or so, then we have spent around £30m net since Peter Johnson left the club, or less than Man Utd spent on Rio Ferdinand.
Absolutely pathetic, as is praising the man responsible."
48 Posted 23/05/2008 at 01:06:33
I will say it one last time, I disagreed with the poster calling him a tight arse, nothing else but you seem to want to go on a crusade in showing me how Kenwright is such a cad etc.
I am not a great fan of his, as I have already said I wouldn’t mind seeing him out and a rich Evertonian taking over.
49 Posted 23/05/2008 at 02:14:05
However, as an Evertonian (which I firmly believe him to be), I’d have thought he’d rather have 15,000 pounds weekly basic salary (i.e. 780,000 pounds a year, which is 3,900,000 pounds over five years). On the understanding that it gives him an extra 10,000,000 to spend on the team - given that good investment in the team is a key determinant of Everton’s success.
It still represents a very small figure Vs yearly: TV money, gate receipts and merit payments etc, but ’Every Little Helps’!
50 Posted 23/05/2008 at 05:19:10
This delay could be for more sinister reasons but the given explanation is entirely plausible.
51 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:04:43
The board have had ALL YEAR to prepare the document, they knew discussions where to take place at the end of the season so should of had something drafted. As I said, I can’t see Moyes wishing for any complicated clauses to be inserted so the actual excuse that the delay is in the paperwork just doesn’t stack up.
Moyes has told us what it is.
He is waiting to see if the board deliver.
No doubt Moyes knows the board better than most and doesn’t TRUST them to deliver.
Says it all really.
52 Posted 23/05/2008 at 07:44:52
Union people talk a load of shit that?s why I and millions of others choose not to be in one. All your article was meant to do was again damage BK reputation and lead conspiracy theorist to believe that because Moyes hasn?t signed then BK must be holding back wages or transfer funds.
EFC Ltd have broken the transfer record 3 summers in a row, EFC LTD have secured long term contracts for all major players which includes breaking the old salary structure so these players feel they are paid in line with other Premiership players.
These facts are all clear for all Evertonians to see, we as a club are progressing slowly but shortly in to the top sections of the league both on and off the field. I would expect a similar controlled growth this year in line with increased revenue sustained in the season just gone but unless we continue to achieve good results then future summers would see us holding back a bit.
Today with are in the ascendancy both on the field and off it, why cant you just enjoy it and give all concerned a pat on the back or would that be too much to ask?? Anyway have a little reality pill and remember apart from the top 4 every other team is trying to achieve what we have done this year, What we need to do as fans and a Club is believe we can go higher and that can only be done as a team.
53 Posted 23/05/2008 at 08:52:07
They were not a new customer but an existing one and to simplify such a complicated process as an employment contract to "well he already works here so all we have to do is change the figures", just isn?t fesible.
54 Posted 23/05/2008 at 09:35:32
We mostly use generic templates that are prepared by our legal department and then amend each one to suit the terms agreed with the other party.
I have prepared these documents, usually over 250 pages, many in a day! These contracts have about 30 or so pages specific to their contract conditions
As I said, done in a day. There is no reason for something like this to hold up proceedings.
I don?t share this view that this is the reason for the hold up, especially when Moyes has already stated he will reserve his judgement until he knows he will be backed by the board.
55 Posted 23/05/2008 at 10:22:50
We simply do not know what happens with contracts, Look at Yobo and his missing pen and the Pienaar saga.
Nothing is essentially done quickly, apart from panic buys and last minute loans.
That is why I am not concerned in the slightest or do you believe Moyes is not a man of his word. As shown with the Rooney issue, he will fight any untruths against him. If he has not agreed in principle why has he not made the paper print a retraction?
56 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:01:48
Moyes met with Kenwright, not Wyness, not Elstone nor anyone else. Clearly the terms of any deal cannot be THAT complicated. You are just finding excuses and are completely overlooking what Moyes has previously said.
Moyes has said he is waiting to see what the board do to back him in the transfer market this summer before he commits to a new deal.
Moyes has not yet said he is to sign a contract, the recent news is just spin from the club to calm Evertonian concerns.
There are no quotes attributed to David Moyes.
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires.
We will all have to wait and see how the board back him this summer and how long it takes for Moyes to actually sign his new contract.
I suspect Moyes will not commit until new players start arriving at Goodison
57 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:48:02
If you watch the interview on EvertonTV (if you are a subscriber) after the Toon game Moyes pretty much confirms that he will sign a new conetract as it "what the Everton fans deserve"
Yes talk is cheap but contracts are complicated.... as old blues eyes once sung and a big-toothed bint once said..... That?s Life!
58 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:57:22
As I said...
I have no doubt that Moyes wants to continue his work at Everton and Moyes stated his intention to do so before he even met with Kenwright, but this is on the proviso that the board provide the funds for team building that he desires
Thats what this is about, not administrative delays.
You believe what you like, if this was a formality, it would have been sorted by now.
It hasn’t and it won’t be sorted until Moyes gets what he wants from the board.
59 Posted 23/05/2008 at 12:47:34
60 Posted 24/05/2008 at 16:53:30
I also think it?s more than a coincidence that Colin Harvey has been talking about being manager of Everton to the BBC.
61 Posted 26/05/2008 at 21:21:23