From what i remember Everton would receive £500k when Manchester United win the league — but not every time they won it, if we receive £500k each time they win it, does this mean if they win it for the next 10 years and Rooney is still there we will get £5m over the 10 years?
From what I remember we received £20m from 2 payments of £10m, and a further £1m for the following 3 years, then we would receive certain add ons such as a League win and Champions League win, but I thought all these add ons were on offs. Can someone please clear this up for me.
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Terry McCarthy, Posted 21/05/2008 at 22:42:44
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1 Posted 21/05/2008 at 15:36:39
''Everton will NEVER play in a Champion's League final.''
His latest comments will surely mean he welcomed back like the prodigal son when he next returns to Goodison. Just who is writing this twat's script? Does he honestly think no-one at Goodison has a brain?
Everybody knew that it was only a matter of time before he left for one of the 'Sky 4', it was what took place afterwards that makes people so so angry. OK, he has had some pretty bad things shouted at him, but the total lack of respect for his boyhood club since is shocking. Do you really think 'kissing the badge' in front of your once adoring crowd Wayne is the way to begin the healing process?
He really has got the brains of rocking horse shit.
2 Posted 22/05/2008 at 00:41:49
3 Posted 22/05/2008 at 00:42:15
4 Posted 21/05/2008 at 22:35:39
And before anyone says it's Howard or Neville money, it's still half a million quid more collateral than we had 90 minutes ago!
5 Posted 22/05/2008 at 02:32:20
I know which player I’d rather have in my team.
6 Posted 22/05/2008 at 02:57:21
7 Posted 22/05/2008 at 03:01:39
He’s gone, has been for a while, we have some extra money..end of.
Next topic please...
8 Posted 22/05/2008 at 03:05:37
If that performance has been enough to earn us a few quid to go out and spend on a new squad of Russian Brazillians whilst doing nothing to raise Rooney?s profile, then it?s all good if you ask me!
9 Posted 22/05/2008 at 06:06:29
10 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:41:36
11 Posted 22/05/2008 at 09:58:44
12 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:23:58
People move from club to club all the time, and everything Rooney has said about Utd/EFC is true - they are a bigger cllub than us, he does have more chance of winning things with them, they won the Champions League last night and he played the full 90 minutes on my TV (I think - sub in extra time no?)
We still earn money from the deal until end 2009 as someone up top has already said- theres no point being bitter about 1 transfer. I think it was Tony Marsh who said "we made him the player he is today" well if that were true why haven’t we made more players like him? HE made HIMSELF the player he is today through hard work and raw talent, it had bugger all to do with EFC.
You have to be more realistic and always look at the bigger picture - Everton have been far better off without him, have built a better team and made some money in the process.
The best team won last night, maybe not the best team on the night but they’re the best team in Europe and they deserved it, Rooney or no Rooney.
13 Posted 22/05/2008 at 10:36:37
Good luck to him but I for one are glad to be looking forward to an optimistic future rather than look back at ifs buts and maybes.
14 Posted 22/05/2008 at 11:48:55
I found I wasn't hating him as much recently, could do with refreshing my memory a bit.
By the way, did you see him lash his shirt last night when he got subbed? No class whatsover.
15 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:03:27
Good luck to Wayne Rooney.
16 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:04:48
didnt realise you were a Champions League veteran yourself.
Cant imagine you did that in a Sunday league game as you would look a tit.
17 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:15:34
18 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:16:22
However, I doubt that if Man U sell him in future they would get much above £25 million (and possibly a lot less - unless he improves a lot e.g. 100% increase in goalscoring record.)
In short, he is not quite as good as he or we thought and so we got a good end of the deal all considered, not least coz his character leaves a lot to be desired. The title, ?Footballer, Gentleman, Evertonian? is something Wayne Rooney could never realistically aspire to.
19 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:30:22
20 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:38:05
However, he’s got what he wanted, and to a large extent so have we. We’ve got stability, a much better side than when he was here, and at the moment the potential to keep moving forward. We were in a total rut before he came and went. In reality we never really benefited on the pitch from his playing talents, save for a few brief moments of genius.
We’ll never know now what might have been, so for me it’s a case of ’what you never really had, you never really miss’. We’ve all moved on now, and Rooney is just a very good player in another team.
21 Posted 22/05/2008 at 12:58:18
22 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:04:53
I think Colin Harvey and one or two others would disagree with you about Rooney?s development. Other raw talents have been wasted in the past without proper care and guidance
As for the ?you stop being a fan once you get your first pay packet? Doesn?t seem to apply to other generations, e.g Kevin Ratcliffe, Mick Lyons, Brain Labone; even Alan Shearer et al. I agree, time moves on but that doesn?t mean you have to forget.
23 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:13:23
quality exchange Guys, Having a shit day so needed the laugh
24 Posted 22/05/2008 at 13:31:02
25 Posted 22/05/2008 at 14:41:00
26 Posted 22/05/2008 at 15:57:33
Just ’cause you love him doesn?t mean everybody else does.
His behaviour and comments show what a classless tool he is. Nothing more than a brat who puts me in a bad mood every time I see his horrible little face. Period.
and don’t tell me to get over it. I wish him no harm but I don’t see why I should have to put up with the site of him. I am in a bad mood now and thats just the thought of him.
27 Posted 22/05/2008 at 16:13:36
28 Posted 22/05/2008 at 16:11:13
MANCHESTER UNITED SIGNS WAYNE ROONEY
Manchester United PLC ("MU") confirms the completion of the transfer of the registration of Wayne Rooney from Everton Football Club. The player has signed a
six year contract until 30 June 2010.
The financial aspects of the transfer are as follows:
£m Reference to Notes
Unconditional fee to Everton 20.00 1
5% Signing levy thereon 1.00
Fees to Proactive Sports Management Ltd 1.00 2
Contingent payments to Everton 7.00 3
5% Signing levy on contingent payments 0.35
Contingent payments to Proactive Sports 0.50 2
Total potential acquisition cost £29.85m 4
1. Payable £10m immediately and £10m on 1 August 2005.
2. Fees payable to Proactive Sports Management Limited in relation to both the acquisition of the player and negotiation of his personal terms. Of this sum, £1.0m is guaranteed, of which £0.5m is payable immediately and the balance over the following 5 years in equal instalments. The remaining £0.5m will be paid in 5 equal instalments over the duration of Rooney’s contract provided he remains registered to MU at the due dates for payment.
3. Contingent payments of up to £7.0m payable on the occurrence of the following events during the next 5 years:
MU - European Champions League - Winners - £1.0m
- Runners Up - £0.5m
- FAPL - Winners - £0.5m
- Runners Up - £0.25m
- FA Cup - Winners - £0.15m
Player signs an extension to his contract at MU - £1.5m
Player earns 20 England caps in competitive games whilst an MU player - £0.5m
Player earns a further 20 England caps in competitive
games whilst an MU player - £0.5m
Even if these events do not occur, Everton will receive £3.0m provided Rooney remains registered to MU until 30th June 2007. This sum will be payable in equal instalments of £1.0m on 1st August 2006, 2007 and 2008 if not already paid via the above incentives.
4. If the player is transferred from MU then Everton will receive 25% of any excess sum over all amounts paid under this agreement.
29 Posted 22/05/2008 at 16:41:51
He’s a brainless gimp for sure - I’m not stupid enough to think otherwise, my point is that harbouring dislike for him is childish and typical of football fans.
I prefer not to waste my energy hating people for reasons beyond my control is all mate.
30 Posted 22/05/2008 at 16:31:05
The Club’s (Everton) Report and Accounts mention an extra 7 million but does not break it down as to how calculated: (note 27 of the accounts) http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/downloads/agm/evertonfc-finalreport04.pdf
Clear as mud then.
31 Posted 22/05/2008 at 18:46:06
32 Posted 22/05/2008 at 18:30:43
Not many amongst us would have turned down the many millions he was offered to move. His agent certainly didn’t. What really pisses me off, to echo what has already been said, is that no credit is given to Colin Harvey and co at EFC for nurturing this talent. He was more or less the finished product when bought.
As for sold - did the £20m make a big difference to our financial situation and future? I don’t know, but if it helped, with 20-20 hindsight, it now looks like a good move. Just keeping him here (with what contract?) would not have transformed us into champions. But I will agree with anyone who says that his sale must be the last - the line in the sand which says we are no longer a selling club.
ps - and speaking of ugly sods, did anyone else see Teves tugging his own shirt in the area on the blind side of the ref last night? He held it out like a sail. Why was he doing that?
33 Posted 22/05/2008 at 19:05:31
I didn?t really think you loved him.
Point taken though.
Nice one for the figures Greg. I hadn?t realised that it has totalled that amount already.
Seems like we got a good deal the way he played in the Champs League Final.
34 Posted 22/05/2008 at 22:17:52
I firmly believe that the money we got, the players we got and how much our finances and our overall performance has improved since he has gone, the deal was a fantastic one and if I knew that when he signed for united that summer on this day we would be talking about him winning the champions league, I would have accepted it because our team has improved a lot since he left.
35 Posted 22/05/2008 at 22:40:43
As I see it, he would love to win the Premiership and Champions League with Everton but he knew and we all know, it aint gonna happen in his playing career. Plus also Everton needed his transfer fee. All in all, its worked out well for both parties - Rooneys got the stage his talents deserved and we have built a better team because of it. We feel betrayed and he probably feels the club betrayed him in certain aspects surrounding that summer. But hey thats life and we all live to fight another day.
36 Posted 22/05/2008 at 22:50:51
Your lack of regard for people who worked with Rooney as a kid at Everton is incredible. Yes he had raw talent, but raw talent nutured by EFC and in particular people like Colin Harvey and Ray Hall.
James don’t you dislike any footballers including the opposition? He has a lack of respect yes because he is a brainless fuckwit, but I dislike brainless fuckwits with no respect, don’t you?
37 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:18:10
Most footballers are brainless fuckwits - not exactly setting the world alight with anything other than their feet; stick to what you’re good at and be judged on it in my opinion.
38 Posted 23/05/2008 at 00:34:20
People don’t have to be a genius sporting or otherwise to have respect and behave in an appropriate manner do they?
39 Posted 22/05/2008 at 23:54:17
I?m confused. The OS clearly states that we earned another £1.5M from MUFCs success this year. Therefore these payments are ongoing (til next year I believe).
Are you saying that this isn?t correct? I can?t see why they would publicly state that if it wasn?t true - MUFC and Rooney & Co. would be all over them and it would have to appear in both the EFC & MUFC end of year accounts anyway.
40 Posted 23/05/2008 at 02:42:28
All in all I would to see the headlines that Rooney has returned home, would love to see him working alond side the Yak, will balls been thread through from Lionel Messi and Kaka...............I think I need my medication again starting to sound like a spurs fan in the rumour room on team talk
41 Posted 23/05/2008 at 13:30:32
You’ve got one fan dismissing the coaching staff’s care of Rooney over 9+ years with ’we got our money back’ bollocks and another accepting that we won’t win the PL in the next 15 years. Nil Satis my arse!
42 Posted 23/05/2008 at 11:43:21
My reading of the agreement is that all clauses apply for five years and Everton will be rewarded for United?s achievements during that period, including repeat payments, if they win any of the trophies in question multiple times. If this is indeed the case as already suggested last week on the official site Everton have already been rewarded three times for United?s Premiership performance. £500k for each of their victories in the last two seasons and an additional £250k for finishing runners-up in 2006.
With this in mind the total transfer fee now exceeds the £27M originally reported in most media outlets and could increase further depending on United?s record next season, the last under the terms of the Rooney deal.
If my calculations are correct, Everton have now taken in the two £10M lump sums payable immediately and in August 2005 plus an additional £3M supplied in installments over the next three years of Rooney?s contract. This has been swelled further by another £1.5M following the extension of this contract bringing the total up to £24.5M.
This of course has been topped up by a number of performance related payments. As previously mentioned £1.25M has been generated through the Premiership and £1M thanks to their Champions League success. Rooney has also claimed his 20th competitive cap triggering a further clause worth an additional £500k to Everton although he is now unlikely to achieve the 40 caps that would have repeated that payment.
So the total banked by Everton Football Club should now stand at £27.25M with the possibility of more next year and 25% of any profit Manchester United might generate from his future sale.