When I initially heard Blatter's ideas on limiting the number of foreign players in a team, I thought it was one of his better plans. I don't like seeing English clubs fielding teams devoid of Englishmen.,I also thought if it's going to hurt anyone it'll hurt the Sky 4... probably not so though.
If the Sky 4 teams are forced to play more Englishmen in league matches than they already have, where are they going to buy the English players from? The Championship? Unlikely. The more likely scenario will be that they'll raid clubs such as ourselves for the likes of Lescott, Baines and Jags, leaving us to then bring in English players of lesser quality, thus weaking our team. So whilst the quota ruling may weaken the Sky 4 clubs, it'll weaken clubs such as ourselves also... which can't be good for our European aspirations.
The likelihood is the EU will fight this ruling all the way and will at the very least stall it's implementation for a few years. Here's hoping anyway.
Paul O'Hanlon, Posted 31/05/2008 at 11:00:58
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1 Posted 31/05/2008 at 14:51:30
2 Posted 31/05/2008 at 14:45:21
The other way to look at it is that regardless of the 6+5 rule, there are 4 places in the Champions League and a number of UEFA cup places that are still up for grabs, this does not change. Taking this into consideration, the fact that good english players go to the sky 4 doesnt matter too much domestically, in europe it may affect us in the short term, but longer term the players that we play in the 6+5 would gain the PL and european experience instead of the foreign players.
This is obviously how FIFA are looking at it, now it may seem a little draconian but it could be effective.
We have one of the best academy set-ups in the country now from which we are already getting a reasonably steady stream of 1st team players, this is where the money that has been invested needs to reap its rewards to turn out the next generation of Everton stars.
3 Posted 31/05/2008 at 14:58:16
4 Posted 31/05/2008 at 15:07:26
But the EU should interfere as it is against the law. Blatter’s an idiot anyway.
5 Posted 31/05/2008 at 15:06:27
6 Posted 31/05/2008 at 15:20:02
If you were prepared now under the current rules and already had quality english players surely there is a gap and a year or two opportunity to nip in to the top 4 via the league placings and become a top4 team because we already have the starting point?
7 Posted 31/05/2008 at 15:21:27
Its got no chance as we are all now legally European not English.
8 Posted 31/05/2008 at 16:16:59
if it did though, I think that it could actually work in our advantage, as quality English players would be at a premium and we could hold out for ridiculous sums for a Lescott or an Osman. As our side works mostly because of it’s work ethic, we would need to bring through athletic players, which are ten a penny, rather than individuals blessed with natural skill- although that would obviously be a bonus. Our tactic is to nick a goal and to sit back on it, whereas the onus on a Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea is to break a team down with creativity and flair.
Ofcourse, the big clubs will always look for loopholes, such as getting the more established foreign players such as Gilberto or Makelele to apply for dual citizenship, thus freeing up a foreign place. Alternatively, they’ll pinch academy players from other clubs for a pittance or establish feeder clubs to give them a further reach than their current catchment area.
Overall, it would be a good thing. As it would increase the pool of English talent for the national manager and it would put more of an emphasis on coaching touch and skill...that’s the theory atleast...more than likely, managers would opt for an English defensive unit of cloggers, not too disimilar to the famous 5 of Arsenal (excellent defenders, but not exactly what you’d call ball players), with either a big target man or a midfield enforcer. The creative positions would still be filled by foreigners, meaning that the national side would actually be not better off than it is now!
9 Posted 31/05/2008 at 17:12:19
I think the 6/5 rule is a good one. I once met a young LFC goallie who had played in the reserves but who had been pushed out by Houllier in order to bring in a THIRD string French keeper. How is that good for the game and English talent?
10 Posted 31/05/2008 at 18:05:14
11 Posted 31/05/2008 at 18:40:44
The exact inverse will happen with European players - less demand = more availability and lower prices.
Given our current position of having plenty of good English players, we would be in a fantastic starting position - we could pick off the foreigners who want premiership wages while the likes of Arsenal and Lpool scramble around for English players.
Over time the league will restore itself to the current position based on wealth. Could be a good for a bit though..!
12 Posted 31/05/2008 at 18:57:17
13 Posted 31/05/2008 at 19:17:25
You’re completely right about the prices though, and another thing it would increase squad sizes especially in the sky 4
14 Posted 31/05/2008 at 20:30:51
15 Posted 31/05/2008 at 20:36:59
Leon Osman stands out of a good example of what can happen if coaches have faith in skill despite a kid being ’slightly built’. Good in the PL, good in Europe. We need more like him.
Blatter might get my vote if he told Rafael to fook off back home - but would that mean that Davey would have to go back north?
16 Posted 01/06/2008 at 02:31:28
I don't think anyone can argue that the big 4 are demanding instant succes when they buy players for £25M plus. So I think what he is trying to do is bring some sort of sanity back to our game. I think it's fantastic that at last someone is thinking about the grassroots of the game.
ps: I ran junior teams for 12 years.
17 Posted 01/06/2008 at 03:00:08
18 Posted 01/06/2008 at 09:50:10
19 Posted 01/06/2008 at 10:15:29
As Keith mentioned before, how will this help the international scene. Whoever is in charge of England will continue to pick the same XI again and agian and again, all this will do is force clubs to bring through younger players and weaken sides... oh wait, I get it, in truth he is pissed off that the English league teams are starting to piss on all the other leagues and is worried that it may have a detrimental effect on the money coming in, fuck all to do with "the good of the game"
They tried it once before with the 3 foreigner rule and it was disbanded so why do they think it will work now?
All that will happen is the Sky 4 will buy all the best English players and the teams below will fall drastically behind again. The only difference would be in Europe.
Can?t see it happening.
20 Posted 01/06/2008 at 10:54:48
Players like Bentley were also forced to move to get regular football. The big 4 will not get all the UK players as some will want to opt for a regular game, rather than warming the bench, this in turn increases their chances of becoming internationals.
21 Posted 01/06/2008 at 12:09:45
What I don?t like is the ability of the clubs with the most money being able to lure away, with huge salaries, the best players who have either been recognised or brought through the academies of the less wealthy clubs. This is the real problem. Who doesn?t believe that we would have cracked the top 4 this season if we still had the best player that has come through Everton?s academy for years instead of being enticed away by a huge salary?
It?s a pipe dream but what I would like to see is each club having a salary cap for its first team squad AND a system of bonuses for the squad and appearance money for the individual players drawn from a ?Prize Money"pool. The higher the team achievement the bigger the bonus. The more appearances the more income for the individual players. The squad size for each Premier League club would have an upper limit of say 22 players. If a club got hammered by injuries it would have to draw on its academy players.
Then there is the question of the agents... but I have probably strayed too far off topic already.
22 Posted 01/06/2008 at 14:09:43
1. Is this a restriction on the free movement of workers within the EU?
2. Is the issue affecting their employment? their job status, their wage etc?
3. What affect will the "homegrown players" rule have?
With the amount of money involved this WILL go to the ECJ, theres more than enough to get it there. Personally I think it would be good for the game, and good for British players.
I don?t think this 6/5 rule would stop players moving, it simply limits their chances of playing. That is going to be a key issue when the decision is made at the ECJ.
I think that although the big clubs may get the best British talent, the smaller clubs may get the best of the rest as the bigger clubs lose out on the better foreign talent through limitation.
I don?t think this is a stonewall issue, as there are arguments for and against, and I believe it will go all the way to a full vote at the ECJ
23 Posted 02/06/2008 at 12:28:14
It is that same as salary caps and squad caps; clubs will argue that is a restrition of trade, which it is in effect.
If FIFA impose all these mad changes (that would improve the game) the ’top’ teams will simply fuck FIFA off and start their own break-away league.
Money talks, bullshit runs the marathon.......
24 Posted 02/06/2008 at 13:02:53
After being told by the European Commission on equality that it was a non-starter ..this halfwit Blatter continues with his one-eyed exercise in flippant arrogance and ignorance...with the words ’laws can be ammended’...
I can’t wait until he actually realises that European directives are there for a reason, especially ones on employment law! and has to backtrack like michael jackson!
However, the legality of this concept aside.....I’d love to hear how anyone thinks this would improve the English naitonal game...an outcome that seems akin to grasping at straws....
25 Posted 02/06/2008 at 13:29:41
All that would happen is that they would have to play more games and turn teams back into Bolton, or dare I say it, us of a season or two ago.
It will not come to pass, especially as the EU have already told the dope it is a non starter. Then again isn’t this the man who said that all women footballers should play in tight shorts?
26 Posted 02/06/2008 at 14:05:58
I’ve heard the argument about players getting better coaching under this rule...but lets look at the downsides...
1) the league would be of worse quality
2) revenues from sky would go down
3) the best foreign players would no longer find England attractive
4) English players are now playing with players of considerably less quality than before, thus there will be no incentive to raise their game
So, is the idea of better coaching that important to a players ability that it will overcome the above factors?
Not on your nellie, England will still be cráp...and it’ll have a cráp league to compliment the cráp national side!
p.s All women should play in tight shorts...
Now thats the breaching of a EU regulation I could live with!
27 Posted 02/06/2008 at 14:15:16
This law, if passed, would only have a detrimental effect on English teams and probably no others.