Am I the only one angry at the stance taken by both Everton and Liverpool over the fresh proposals for all parties to seriously consider a joint stadium?
Given that both clubs are struggling to afford a stadium on their own it seems complete madness to me that both sides have come out in the last 24 hours and poured cold water on the idea yet again.
The posturing appears to pander to the view that the "fans" of both clubs would be dead against it. How do they know? It seems that as usual a vociferous minority hold sway. If we can have a ballot for Kirkby, why not have one to gauge the reality of feelings about this proposal?
For what it's worth, I would rather share a world class venue and stay in the City than move to Kirkby.
Steve Guy, Posted 06/06/2008 at 14:10:50
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1 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:25:32
I want to move to Kirby anyway, what does the city of Liverpool do for Everton, apart from ignore us.
2 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:25:54
3 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:27:46
4 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:36:25
We are trying to make a break from that shower of shite.
Sharing a stadium would be a financially viable option, but alas it simply won’t wash will it?!?!?!?
5 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:17:06
I?d agree, I?d prefer to (equally) share a landmark stadium with Liverpool rather than move to the Lego stadium.
Someone asked me how it compared with the Kings Dock stadium. Looking back at the stadium design back then and comparing to the Kirkby proposal... they?re leagues apart.
Let?s just have one, equally shared, world-class, landmark stadium in Stanley Park.
Liverpool are struggling to build one, we?re struggling to build one. Let?s not cut off our noses to spite our faces.
6 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:32:01
7 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:46:22
8 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:43:37
For the Walton and Anfield districts it would have huge benefits. For the fans of both sides it might be hard to even consider but for us Blues it’s a million times better than Kirkby.
9 Posted 06/06/2008 at 16:55:00
We would be bankrupting ourselves to afford it whilst allowing them more resources to plough into their team.
10 Posted 06/06/2008 at 17:22:19
Let’s build a super stadium to share and the Council footing 50% of the costs and We and the Redshite put in the other 50%, poss £100m each.
I have a slight inkiling though that Bradley would shot a brick if that was suggested to him and would be in a spin frenzy saying why it wasn’t viable, fair etc etc etc
11 Posted 06/06/2008 at 17:54:52
12 Posted 06/06/2008 at 17:49:28
Why cant people see moving to Kirkby will be the death of Everton!!!
Its those in favour of Kirkby that are biting off there nose to spite their face.
because they see it as getting back at liverpool city councils ineptitude.
how stupid. the councils ineptitude is motivated by a hatred of Everton but by greed, lack of brains, and general politcal ranglings.
Liverpool coucil is one of the worst run in the world, never mind Briton.
13 Posted 06/06/2008 at 18:00:22
14 Posted 06/06/2008 at 18:00:39
Redeveloping Goodison would make sense as well ( that’s why virtually everybody else has already done it ) and would pay off in the medium term.
Kirkby is a quick fix, but definitely a long term loss. The mediocrity of its location and design would slowly suck the life out of the club. Everton is special now. Go to Kirkby and that will slowly change us into an average club.
15 Posted 06/06/2008 at 18:42:08
A shared stadium of world class quality, funded and ran on an equal footing, would ensure the rich footballing heritage of both teams, but more importantly our beloved blues for the next 120 years. We go to kirkby and the club dies, slowly and painfully. Its as simple as that.
16 Posted 06/06/2008 at 19:02:54
Bully says today" we have a service of criteria which any prospective stadium must meet and a shared stadium does not meet that criteria"
he also says " I can catergorically state, a shared stadium is NOT on the agenda of either club"
the door hasnt just been closed, its been bricked up
17 Posted 06/06/2008 at 19:36:28
There is another factor and that is the economy of the Anfield/Everton area and the benefits to it of keeping both clubs in the area. In addition to that, the benefits in terms of spin off business that a world class stadium could generate copuld be incalculable to the City. Surely even the most die hard amongst both sets of fans can see that.
18 Posted 06/06/2008 at 19:53:01
19 Posted 06/06/2008 at 20:03:18
20 Posted 06/06/2008 at 21:10:37
21 Posted 06/06/2008 at 21:31:44
22 Posted 06/06/2008 at 21:32:31
Our identity as blues does not come from the old lady (though she helps) it comes from the skipper and the players on the field. the way they all associated with the crest (fans included) conduct themselves.
You are EXACTLY RIGHT. We are not managed by the fat waiter and don’t have moaner’s like Gerrard on the team. The closer we come (in standings and even in the stadium if it were to happen) the more natural the comparisons between the red and blue would be, AND the more obvious it would become how GREAT Moyes is, and what a great group of guys we have on the pitch.
I’d love to see us share a world class stadium. In no time the world would see us as equals with the Red Shite and all it would take is one more season to finish above them for them to start having a serious inferiority complex about us...
23 Posted 06/06/2008 at 21:48:17
Pitches go bad through lack of light, poor ventilation and poor drainage. All can be solved that way. Also, what about those massive lamps that Newcastle and Chelsea used on their pitches last Winter. Even In February there was lusg green grass.
The answers are out there. Somebody tell our Board!!
24 Posted 06/06/2008 at 22:02:29
I’m not saying yes we should definitely do it but the option needs to be properly evaluated, once & for all asap.
In the past I would have been dead against this but the whole Kirkby thing has made me consider it.
I do have some deep seated greivances with the redshite ( the kind of things that cannot be spoken about in polite company ) but if the Italian ’Ultras’ can cope with sharing I reckon I probably could.
In fact I reckon I’m going to have a lok on some of their sites & see how this works.
Anyone speak Italian ?
25 Posted 07/06/2008 at 00:23:19
Sounds incredible? No, perhaps it?s already being looked at, the problem for the fans surrounds the suitability of the Stanley Park site, it simply isn?t big enough nor could it support the transport infrastructure required or attract suitable enablers to take advantage of what would be the highest footfall in the premiership, but Stanley Park is talked about as it would be a catalyst for regeneration of Anfield and Walton, which at the end of the day shouldn?t be the responsibility of the football clubs, it?s the responsibility of local and national government. It?s a highly politically sensitive issue but a lack of vision is holding back potentially the best move for both football clubs.
Now if a large enough site could be identified that could take advantage of an existing transport infrastructure, that would attract both enabling investment and grants then things would start to move. So, if it exists at all, where could that site possibly be?
26 Posted 07/06/2008 at 01:11:36
27 Posted 07/06/2008 at 01:31:10
Don’t think Roma and Lazio have any problems at the Stadio Olympico, either.
Yes, the San Siro has had problems with the surface but that was largely caused by the installation of the roof for Italia 90.
I think both clubs are crazy not to consider it. It would have to be done on an equal footing.
We could have an Everton end and a Liverpool end, like they do in Munich with the away fans using the "opposite" end for non derby games.
Imagine how good it would look if we could build an iconic, world class stadium in the city that both fans and clubs could be proud of like the Allianz Arena or Beijing’s "birdnest" stadium!
I can’t for the life of me understand why it isn’t seriously discussed.
28 Posted 07/06/2008 at 08:28:04
29 Posted 07/06/2008 at 09:05:36
Karl M., A slide-out pitch is fine to stage events on a concrete surface (such as concerts, where it is stored on rails outside the stadium), but you would need two seperate pitches. How could you move one out and one in and where would you store the one not being used? Presumably the ground would need to have access all around for safety/entrance reasons during matchdays.
30 Posted 07/06/2008 at 09:48:17
I feel it is quite pathetic that Wyness jumps like a little pip-squeek proclaiming " we have a service of criteria which any prospective stadium must meet and a shared stadium does not meet that criteria".
That’s nonsense and spin bullshit which means Everton have got NO bargaining position on this subject just like no plan B for Kirkby. The Board and chief executive of Everton FC are not fit for purpose.
31 Posted 07/06/2008 at 10:46:22
As a vox pop it’s interesting that so many are in favour of a ground share (at least in principle). Those who are not seem to fall into two camps. The first camp is one actually not against the idea, but saying that the idea is technically or financially unfeasible; to which I reply, ’How do you know ?’.
The second camp are the ones the respective Boards / Owners are relying on and reckon speak for the majority of fans; namely those who have a wholly negative view of Liverpool supporters (and no doubt from the other side a similar feeling for Evertonians. There is no logic just a blind fanaticism (and from some of the comments above and on other threads, a hatred); it’s this group who no doubt sing the crap (again from both sides) on Derby days that has dragged the event down in recent years.
I think Bradley and the rest of the City council have done a very poor job in recent years and I said so last season in an article (which I presume is now in the TW archives). Possibly this is more chest beating to stir up the pot and cover their backsides again. Regardless of that, I would like both Clubs to enter into an independent feasibility study and for the outcome (should it favour a joint stadium) to be completely transparent and put to a proper ballot of supporters.
32 Posted 07/06/2008 at 11:01:33
The planning gains would be there for all those putative planning experts who have emerged from nowhere to pick holes in the Kirby scheme. A great design (URGH) instead of the boring 4 sided stadium at Kirby (oh I thought a pitch had 4 sides). The board clearly would not have another vote because if they did they would be accused of lying and treachery and murder and the rest. Wyness would let Parry take all the flak for a change and surprise surprise nobody will be any happier as usual. The saga will continue until god intervenes and like magic Goodison is turned like water into wine into a super stadium for free.
33 Posted 07/06/2008 at 13:00:34
34 Posted 07/06/2008 at 14:34:33
35 Posted 07/06/2008 at 16:42:14
Before Italia 90 and the roof being put on it, the pitch was fine. But since, not enough sun, nor wind gets to the grass to help it dry out.
I’m sure that’s an issue that any decent architect, combined with input from a smart hortculturalist, could overcome.
Both Lazio and Roma and Inter/AC Milan have been in Europe before without any ground sharing/scheduling issues.
If they can make it work, so can we.
36 Posted 07/06/2008 at 20:51:46
37 Posted 07/06/2008 at 21:40:21
A good post. A shared stadium would make a lot of sense. It would be the finest stadium in the country after Wembley. It would provide a realistic opportunity for both clubs and city council, to regenerate the areas surrounding Stanley Park. It would also keep Everton where we belong. We played in Stanley Park in the beginning, it would be great to see us back there in a world class stadium. It would also mean that Everton Football Club would not have made the worst decision in its history and moved to Kirkby!
However, I can?t see it happening, which is a bloody disaster for us. If there were any real chance of us sharing, it would mean that our board would have no excuse to go ahead with their disastrous plans to site the stadium in Kirkby.
But I can?t see Liverpool wanting to share a stadium. Why should they. They?ve been given a fantastic site, a stone?s throw from Anfield, they have been given the prime site in the city for a football ground and they will have no desire to see there rivals share it. That?s my view anyway. I hope I?m wrong but I can see us being sidelined outside of Liverpool in a mediocre site and a mediocre stadium.