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Ramsey to Arsenal
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Looks like Ramsey has chosen Arsenal - and fair play to him. Amidst claims and counter-claims about media bias against Everton, there's a nice little reference to our club on the BBC website ...
"Aaron Ramsey is to join Arsenal from FA Cup finalists Cardiff City in a £5m deal, BBC Sport understands.
Champions League winners Manchester United and Premier League giants Everton were also fighting to sign the 17-year-old Welsh wonderkid."
Brian Richardson, Posted 10/06/2008 at 09:07:57
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Mike Smith
2 Posted 10/06/2008 at 08:51:52
2 Posted 10/06/2008 at 08:51:52
Was the attempt to sign Aaron Ramsey just a publicity stunt? With Everton going up against Man Utd and Arsenal it was probably thought safe by our board to be seen to bid...... Normally when do we advertise that we have 'bid' for a player. I think we have seen this all before too, Michael Owen, Alan Smith to name a couple. All getting a little tedious. I understand the need for spin in some situations, but our B of D are beginning to get as good (or bad) as the US government at it.
A little honesty would be nice.
Stefan Tosev
3 Posted 10/06/2008 at 13:53:11
3 Posted 10/06/2008 at 13:53:11
I thought this time it was a genuine bid as we could offer him European football and regular first team place, wherever at Arsenal or MU he would find chances tough to come and may end as Walcott
Mike Whittaker
4 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:06:25
4 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:06:25
I have it on very good authority we will bid for Ronaldo as well, but not before Real Madrid have had their offer accepted first of course.
Mark Murphy
5 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:04:43
5 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:04:43
According to the Guardian we were serious contenders here with David Moyes actually meeting with the lad and his parents personally. Sir Alex on the other hand was away on holiday and didnt make the same effort as Davey so fair play to EFC iimho!
Also, Utd announced that Ramsey was theirs pending terms & personals last week when this was not the case. Yet Utd are still whinging that Real Madrid have engineered Ronaldo's move!
Is the signing official yet ? as the Guardian reckon we (and ManU) will try again.
Also, Utd announced that Ramsey was theirs pending terms & personals last week when this was not the case. Yet Utd are still whinging that Real Madrid have engineered Ronaldo's move!
Is the signing official yet ? as the Guardian reckon we (and ManU) will try again.
Andy Callan
6 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:51:43
6 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:51:43
As Cilla said, "SURPRISE, SURPRISE" eh......?!?!?
Fuck him.
Fuck him.
Alex Spelling
7 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:58:46
7 Posted 10/06/2008 at 14:58:46
Fair play to the lad when Arsenal and Man Utd come in for you, plus understandable that Cardiff wanted him to go to Utd as they would loan him back for a season.
However I dont think for one minute our bid was a piece of spin, its not like he’s an international superstar we had no chance of landing or that the fee was exorbitant. Moyes no doubt sensibly explained to him that at Everton, form permitting, he’d be a first team regular and get the chance to play in Europe. He could also point to the development of other young British players at the club. I am biased but maybe Everton would have been the best choice for him - making an impact at Arsenal (or Man Utd) and becoming a regular will be extremely competitive and he may end up being sold off in a few years.
However I dont think for one minute our bid was a piece of spin, its not like he’s an international superstar we had no chance of landing or that the fee was exorbitant. Moyes no doubt sensibly explained to him that at Everton, form permitting, he’d be a first team regular and get the chance to play in Europe. He could also point to the development of other young British players at the club. I am biased but maybe Everton would have been the best choice for him - making an impact at Arsenal (or Man Utd) and becoming a regular will be extremely competitive and he may end up being sold off in a few years.
James Marshall
8 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:14:46
8 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:14:46
What Alex said.
To say its spin is pure fantasy.
To say its spin is pure fantasy.
Dave Jones
9 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:09:33
9 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:09:33
Hey we get $5m for a 17yr old he gets 20 grand a week to play for the arsenal ladies team and take French lessons yakky dar bouyoh
James Marshall
10 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:28:02
10 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:28:02
Nice bit of xenophobia there Dave Jones, a Welsh name if ever I saw one!
Oh and by the way, its pounds in Britain.
Oh and by the way, its pounds in Britain.
sam
11 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:27:28
11 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:27:28
Theo Walcott??? He plays regular football for Arsenal. Not!!! I think a bad move. You cant be used once every blue moon in football. You get your chance and you have to grab it. You dont get better by playing in the reserves or being a substitute. The options are not quite there with Arsenal and these chances are what makes or break you.
Rob Shaw
12 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:48:24
12 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:48:24
Just a thought but what would you think listening to a manager extolling the virtues of a club that he hasn’t committed to?
Robert Jones
13 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:50:45
13 Posted 10/06/2008 at 15:50:45
And look at the progress of Bale at Spurs after turning down Utd.
James Marshall
14 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:02:12
14 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:02:12
Rob - I’d think that manager (Dave Jones presumably) was putting a nice spin on things so that his cllub could make some money AND get their player back on loan for a season (which was the Utd deal so they say).
Fair play to him in this instance - theres nothing wrong with a bit of mutual back slapping. DM has a good relationship with Alex Ferguson, which is a good thing to my mind.
Fair play to him in this instance - theres nothing wrong with a bit of mutual back slapping. DM has a good relationship with Alex Ferguson, which is a good thing to my mind.
Rob Shaw
15 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:15:13
15 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:15:13
James-sorry it sounded ambiguous but I was in fact referring to Moyes
James Marshall
16 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:20:49
16 Posted 10/06/2008 at 16:20:49
No worries Rob - on the odd occasion when DM does refer to other clubs, he tends not to go into too much detail, preferring to extole the vurtues of our club. Having said that, he does have a healthy respect for people like Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho which he sometimes mentions. I don’t have a problem with it; like I said, it pays to have good relations with other managers and their respective clubs, all barring the RS of course. :)
Colin McPhail
17 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:19:11
17 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:19:11
To be honest, I think any young player would seriously consider playing for David Moyes - We are a big club, we can offer a fast track to first team and European football, Moyesey has a great reputation for bringing the young ones through (when they are good enough of course).. Hope the lad does well if he does go to Arsenal, But it may prove to be a while in the reserves for him !!
James Braid
18 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:20:23
18 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:20:23
Mike Smith,
Do you know what is getting really, really tedious ?
Naysayers like you accusing the club of making publicity stunts every time we go in for a player. We had it over Johnson two years ago and we had it over Yakubu last summer. When will the likes of you ever learn ?
The Alan Smith bid was genuine (it was accepted for christs sake!) and the lad chose to go to Man Utd (whose bid was placed AFTER ours). Michael Owen was the subject of an enquiry from Everton (not a bid).
If you’re going to spend time moaning about something, why not make a bit of an effort to avail yourself of the facts?
Are you seriously suggesting that David Moyes would be party to an elaborate scam to try to convince people we were trying to sign a player we had no chance of getting.
Do me a favour !!
Do you know what is getting really, really tedious ?
Naysayers like you accusing the club of making publicity stunts every time we go in for a player. We had it over Johnson two years ago and we had it over Yakubu last summer. When will the likes of you ever learn ?
The Alan Smith bid was genuine (it was accepted for christs sake!) and the lad chose to go to Man Utd (whose bid was placed AFTER ours). Michael Owen was the subject of an enquiry from Everton (not a bid).
If you’re going to spend time moaning about something, why not make a bit of an effort to avail yourself of the facts?
Are you seriously suggesting that David Moyes would be party to an elaborate scam to try to convince people we were trying to sign a player we had no chance of getting.
Do me a favour !!
Mark Cassin
19 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:52:07
19 Posted 10/06/2008 at 17:52:07
@Mike Smith -- have you lost your mind? Do you really think Moyes would cancel his holidays (something Wenger and Ferguson did not do) if he didnt want to sign this player???
Still I suppose this view goes with many others on this website -- 100% negative after a record Premier Lague points total and about to smash our transfer record again.
Still I suppose this view goes with many others on this website -- 100% negative after a record Premier Lague points total and about to smash our transfer record again.
Ray Roche
20 Posted 10/06/2008 at 18:39:41
20 Posted 10/06/2008 at 18:39:41
In the interests of fairness, Wenger is not on holiday. He?s a pundit at the Euros for a French TV station. Ramsey was taken by private jet to have his meeting with him.
Jason Williams
21 Posted 10/06/2008 at 18:50:41
21 Posted 10/06/2008 at 18:50:41
Private jet to Saltzburg swung it!
It seems to me that the race is now on for British talent ahead of the cap on foreign footballers. Liverpool after Barry and Downing; Utd after Ramsay and there are many others like this that I can't be arsed to list.
It's important to buy 'em now as the closer we get to the new rule, the more their price will inflate.
It seems to me that the race is now on for British talent ahead of the cap on foreign footballers. Liverpool after Barry and Downing; Utd after Ramsay and there are many others like this that I can't be arsed to list.
It's important to buy 'em now as the closer we get to the new rule, the more their price will inflate.
Gavin Ramejkis
22 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:04:07
22 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:04:07
There’s a good chance you will all get to see this lad play for the Arsenal Reserves Worthless Cup Side that Wenger puts out each season and they don’t do too badly do they. Can’t blame the lad for making a choice which was his and not anyone else’s. If he thinks himself he will do better there then that’s the end of it, move on to the next target.
Tommy Gibbons
23 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:26:45
23 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:26:45
Can the doom merchants explain why our bid for Ramsay was a sham?! And Gavin... can you tell me why the League Cup is worthless? Is it because of the trip to Wembley you get out of it or the European place you get out of winning it and of course it?s a cup and as we haven?t won anything since 95 we don?t really want to win anything then?!
Onward to Kirkby.. Welcome to Knowsley, The New Home of Everton Football Club, The Pride of Merseyside since 1878.
Onward to Kirkby.. Welcome to Knowsley, The New Home of Everton Football Club, The Pride of Merseyside since 1878.
Declan Burke
24 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:58:15
24 Posted 10/06/2008 at 23:58:15
Hi guys,
Don’n want to sound negative but here is a quote from a BBC webpage
"Cardiff have confirmed Arsenal’s bid for their highly-rated youth academy graduate was the "best cash offer" for the young star." Can’t understand this if all three interested clubs bid £5m. Were we going to pay on the never never?
Don’n want to sound negative but here is a quote from a BBC webpage
"Cardiff have confirmed Arsenal’s bid for their highly-rated youth academy graduate was the "best cash offer" for the young star." Can’t understand this if all three interested clubs bid £5m. Were we going to pay on the never never?
Eric Myles
25 Posted 11/06/2008 at 03:16:49
25 Posted 11/06/2008 at 03:16:49
@ Mark Murphy. That’s the complete opposite of he reports from yesterday which said that Ramsey had spoken with SAF and ’officials’ at Everton.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=544105&cc=4716
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=544105&cc=4716
Jimmy Rimmer
26 Posted 11/06/2008 at 03:12:34
26 Posted 11/06/2008 at 03:12:34
People slate the club for a lack of transfer activity - and then others slate the club when we make a genuine bid for a player saying all this crap about "spin".
I know there’s no footie on at the moment (although someone mentioned some Euro thing going on somewhere) so we’re all bored and have nothing better to do apart from moan, but I’d be far more dissappointed if we didn’t at least try and go up against the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd for the signature of one of the best youngsters in the country. If we didn’t bother placing a bid coz we thought "what’s the point" then even more people would be on here moaning about a lack of ambition!
I’m sure we signed "wonder kid"John Oster when Man Utd were also reported to be interested. Of course, this example would be better if he had turned out to be any good!
I know there’s no footie on at the moment (although someone mentioned some Euro thing going on somewhere) so we’re all bored and have nothing better to do apart from moan, but I’d be far more dissappointed if we didn’t at least try and go up against the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd for the signature of one of the best youngsters in the country. If we didn’t bother placing a bid coz we thought "what’s the point" then even more people would be on here moaning about a lack of ambition!
I’m sure we signed "wonder kid"John Oster when Man Utd were also reported to be interested. Of course, this example would be better if he had turned out to be any good!
Gavin Ramejkis
27 Posted 11/06/2008 at 09:36:20
27 Posted 11/06/2008 at 09:36:20
Tommy it’s a well known phrase apparently bypassing you that’s it’s been known as the Worthless Cup for years, and as far as a good cup run is concerned just how many cups have we won again under DM? What’s the point on adding the pointless Kirkby bullshit at the end?
Eric Myles
28 Posted 11/06/2008 at 10:02:28
28 Posted 11/06/2008 at 10:02:28
Were we really interested in Zoltan Gera?
If we were and made him an offer I’m very surprised that he’s chosen Fulham over us unless he fancies relegation again next year.
If we were and made him an offer I’m very surprised that he’s chosen Fulham over us unless he fancies relegation again next year.
Michael Brien
29 Posted 11/06/2008 at 12:29:06
29 Posted 11/06/2008 at 12:29:06
Torsten Frings anyone? He certainly bossed the midfield for Germany the other day. I know he is 31 but he still looks a very good player and would certainly be a good signing at approx £5M.
Andy Callan
30 Posted 11/06/2008 at 12:21:04
30 Posted 11/06/2008 at 12:21:04
I reckon money and opportunity talk.
I would have chosen Arsenal over Everton if I didn’t support us as well.
Sod him - let get on with signing another 8 players.......
I would have chosen Arsenal over Everton if I didn’t support us as well.
Sod him - let get on with signing another 8 players.......
Michael Ward
31 Posted 14/06/2008 at 10:12:37
31 Posted 14/06/2008 at 10:12:37
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7445528.stm
Just had a quick browse through the BBC Sport footy gossip and news, when I stumbled across this article about Ramsey going to Arsenal. It's nice to see that the BBC are "bigging us up" for a change! I'd love to know when the last time we were referred to as "Giants" was!
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1 Posted 10/06/2008 at 10:16:40