I am fully preparing myself to get shot at here, but I wanted to add my tuppence worth to the argument for potential additions to the squad.
There is talk this morning regarding a possible move for Bentley on the proviso that Mikky moves back to Spain. From a solely personal perspective and based entirely on the showings of last season alone, I think this would be a bloody good like for like. Arteta showed glimpses of brillance in what was an injury-plagued campaign. I do not doubt that having continual niggles and knocks is not conducive to a Ronaldo-esque season, but I for one was growing a little bit concerned on occasion by what I perceived as a lack of effort on behalf of the little man.
Plus, when is he going to realise that for all of his ability his set plays are absolutely shite? I think he beat the first man on a corner possibly twice last season and took maybe three or four memorable free-kicks. Not only is it that the set plays aren't the best, its his attitude towards others (most notably Stevie P) when a freekick is awarded that annoys me. He immediately strides over to the ball and won't allow anybody else to have a look in. This is all well and good if you are ripping a hole in the back of the net from 25 yards, but if you can't even work the keeper, let somebody else have a pop.
Bentley, at club level alone, is a class act. One of the lads in work is a Rovers season ticket holder (he is a bit of an inbred before you comment), and he waxes lyrical about the kid. He explained to me recently that Santa Cruz in his opinion is a fairly average player and his record of last season was largely down to the imaginative play of Bentley. Granted when it comes to the international team, the boy seems a little out of place (to be honest, I think Lescott is very similar when he plays for England) but I am sure it will come. Yes he is very confident (verging on arrogant) and yes he is a spice boy with a twat of a haircut, but he is dynamic, can beat a man, loves running a players, has some pace and his delivery is mostly very good.
In my opinion, outside of probably the Arsenal and Villa games (and on both occasions we very much contributed to our own downfalls), I thought the Rovers game at Goodison early in the season was amongst the toughest we played. Bentley, Pedersen and Cruz caused us no end of trouble and had it not been for a lovely finish from Jimmy Mc we would have been justifiably beaten.
The long and short of it, is that for me personally, were Mikky and his advisors looking to engineer a move back to sunny Spain, Bentley would be an absolutely fantastic signing.
Also, I bloody well hope we avoid Engelaar of Holland. I saw him play the first two games (I watched the Italy game last night, so I apologise if the boy had a stormer against Romania), and whilst he played well in the first his distribution is crap. He looks to me like a broad shouldered Momo Sissoko, and look what a fucking bullet we dodged there. To be a team challenging the top four, you need a holding midfielder who is accomplished on the ball, wins tackles and retain possession. Sissoko was like a headless chicken and Orlando doesn't look much better.
Nick Coyne, Posted 18/06/2008 at 08:58:45
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1 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:14:36
2 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:17:36
3 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:23:57
As for Bentley if you want the Club to pay £15mil for him then you are off your rocker. Granted he is a good player but I don?t think he is worth that asking price and, as I have said, in a previous post on another thread, he is a very gobby type.
4 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:13:07
I do think he would be a good sigining but fear his eyes are on a move to a CL club, namely the shite.
But concerning Arteta we all now know that he played for the majority of the season injured and you could (have) critisized him for his attitude & set pieces but there is a flip side. In training how do we know that DM has not told him to take all of them? Or I remember a game against last season when we had a free-kick in a decent position and Ossie & Neville couldnt get him over there fast enough (i think it was Chelsea, not 100%)!!
Basically, up till last season he has been our outstanding player for the 2/3 years previous & when he got injured the club/manager has asked him to play anyway and he has.......get off his case. A fully fit Mikel Arteta after a good summer break will come back raring to go, maybe even with a point to prove & hopefully some new colleagues in midfield with him.
Top class player in my eyes, I’d be absolutely sick if he left.
5 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:37:19
Bentley played centre mid on a few occasions for Blackburn last season and looked just as accomplished as out wide. Not only that but Arteta can play centrally and in a number of games last season (particularly in Europe) I would’ve liked to have seen him play there to get more involved and dictate the play. The problem is we didn’t then have anyone good enought to play right mid, with Bentley we would.
Add to that the fact that Pienaar can also play right mid, Arteta can play left mid and you have 3 players in midfield who are all comfortable inter-changing. I’m not saying it’ll mean total football at Goodison next season, but I can see it working.
6 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:40:58
i know this isnt easy as generally players who would get into those teams will go to one of them but Bentley is definately NOT one of them.
He?s massively overated with his attributes are mostly promoted by himself and no one else.
Yes Arteta did have a poor 2nd half to the season but you have to consider his injury. He?s far better than Bentley and he is not a suitable replacement.
In my opinion Bentley falls into the same class as Crouch, Pennant, Milner etc. Lets leave him alone an let the RS fork out 10 million plus for his services.He?s just their type of player
7 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:47:07
Arshavin, Fernandes and Cana (Marseille).
Gives us pace and flair out wide with a goalscoring threat.
Creativity and Defensive mettle in the middle.
8 Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:56:30
Was back in March we were first linked to this lad.
Looks like a hardcore version of Carsley.
9 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:14:24
We need pace out wide. We?ve got alot of wingers who like to cut inside and create. We need someone who?s going to stretch teams as well as being creative. Andrei Arshavin fits the bill for me. He?s quick, tricky, gets goals from midfield and is versatile. I think he?d be perfect for the left hand side. He could cut inside and cause havoc and he could also give us an outlet with his pace. He and Arteta interchanging wings would be excellent. We do need a different style of wide player to the likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta.
10 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:10:03
11 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:23:35
And I just love the video of Cana!
12 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:10:06
Whilst I also accept from the messages that Bentley isn’t some people’s first choice, I think we’ve got to get a little perspective on who exactly we are targetting this summer. To suggest that we leave Bentley to the Shite is all well and good, but for me if they were to sell Pennant and sign Bentley that is progress and an improvement to their squad. We have to focus our attentions upon the bracket of players that fall into the "very good" category, because we simply cannot challenge the likes of United or Chelsea for the "world class" players. The targets that the Scum, Tottenham and Arsenal are after are the lads I think we should be looking at because it is these teams that I would like us to be considered against come the end of the forthcoming season. Leave the Villa’s to lose their best player and sign Sidwell, and let the little Thai man spend all his days going after hugely over priced Brazilian’s. We should simply concentrate on getting into the top four.
In my opinion players like Bentley we help us do this as they will improve the quality that we have.
13 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:23:28
Dont get me wrong, when he is it his best im one of his biggest fans, but the truth is, he just didnt look interested at all last season.
How many Free Kicks/Corners didnt get past the first man?
It was only once Fernandes took over on set pieces that we started to look dangerous!
14 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:26:54
15 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:27:39
16 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:32:25
17 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:23:35
And I just love the video of Cana!
18 Posted 18/06/2008 at 15:42:12
There was nothing wrong with his attitude. He never moaned or looked disinterested. He put his usual shift in every game. The only time he ever got hot headed was with a fan in the Park End who supposedly shouted ?Hit the first man you Spanish cunt?. I?d react if someone shouted that at me and to be honest all he did was snarl the stupid fan. There?s nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Arteta?s attitude for me was excellent last season. Any player who plays through the pain barrier deserves credit. If we?d have had other options he wouldn?t have played but with no one capable of taking over Arteta played for Moyes and Everton. People have every right to be disappointed with is general play but his attitude was never a problem.
The fact that he wasn?t training regularly also could have affected his form. If you don?t train and keep yourself in the right condition you won?t be 100%. We?ve seen with Fernandes this season that injuries and lack of match practice can get to players. Fernandes also came here with an injury and lacked match fitness and I stuck up for him at the time, I?ll do the same for Mikel.
19 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:02:55
20 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:04:05
21 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:15:10
Arteta is just good
Santa Cruz was the bargain buy of last year
22 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:17:51
Especially with the crap referees we have at the moment.
23 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:20:02
24 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:26:47
Scrapes floor with shoe.
25 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:25:27
And you’re miles off Conner, Arteta had a bad season by his standards. Never mind "playing through the pain barrier" bollocks, towards the end of the season when things going his way his attitude was poor.
26 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:27:35
If you could rein him in a bit though, you can see he’s got obvious talents. Fernandes and a disciplined Cana in the middle would be awesome!
Reminded me of a more skillful version of Materazzi (oh, on second thoughts then...)
27 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:39:12
28 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:35:09
The only lad in the French team that looked like he would do us proud was Toulalan. I heard his name mentioned with us a few months back but nothing since. Mainly a player to keep the game ticking but stuck a few good tackles in and took the set pieces over Henry etc...
I also think that Bentley would be a good addition but if you had someone like Toulalan in the centre with 2 quality wingers, Pienaar & Mikky/Bentley, we would look good and play some quick flowing footy
29 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:39:08
Bentley is the product of an overhyped British media and public opinion. Seriosly if he was as good as many make him out to be there would be Spanish and Italian teams sniffing around.
Instead its just Villa, Newcastle etc... Same old same old.
Whereas everytime you see a club linked with Arteta its a decent spanish club.
His form has been woeful to say the least injury or not. But on his day he is a sublime player.
Anyone who pays £15 for Bentley is mad
30 Posted 18/06/2008 at 16:57:04
31 Posted 18/06/2008 at 17:03:29
I’m on my own I know, but i would like to cash in on Arteta. Everyone says, on his day he is class, that’s approx 2 days a year though.
32 Posted 18/06/2008 at 17:58:14
33 Posted 18/06/2008 at 17:55:26
34 Posted 18/06/2008 at 18:24:38
He’s second only to kanchelskis in terms of the best player ive ever seen in an everton kit (i’m 24). He doesnt get in the spain squad because with aragones in charge it’s a closed shop, as many other good in form players have found
35 Posted 18/06/2008 at 18:45:42
I hope to god, mikky comes back for the new season well rested and show us all what we know he can do. I think Milner has the potential to be a quality player. I work with a few Villa fans who all agree that he had a very good season there. Also from what I’ve seen Kightly of Wolves is definitely worth a look as is Ledley of Cardiff. I reckon all these 3 would be better value for money than Bentley. Plus Davey has a great record of picking up players from the Championship
John D - I also think Toulalan is class but the Lyon chairman has a record of driving a hard bargain for his players and in all honesty I cant see the player moving unless it was to another CL club. Oh well, we can but dream eh
36 Posted 18/06/2008 at 19:01:52
I suspect Arteta may go cos his big Alonso is going back home. If he goes we better get £20million cos that?s what it will take to replace him. Finally I hope Manny Fernandes is signing he is a class act.
37 Posted 18/06/2008 at 19:02:00
38 Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:13:59
I’m just interested to know if the same people having a go at Mikel Arteta are the same crowd that dont want DM here?? Cos its fuckin ridiculous!!!! Mikel at 50/60% (as he was last year) is still a fantastic player and one of our few top class players. He was asked by his manager to play a number of games unfit & in an amount of pain. Coupled with the fact how unhappy his judy was, his homelife can’t of been too clever. She has now returned to Spain.
He is only a human being, and all footballers have good and bad spells but he is a fantastic player and one who will hopefully show how good he is next season when I wouldnt be surprised if he was our player of the year again, for the 3rd time in 5 years.
Sorry for the rant, it burns my head out when some of us start acting like geordies or worse.....
39 Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:15:07
40 Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:52:42
lol.. Damn, up goes his price.
41 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:07:07
Do one? what?
Sorry, I just posted in here coz I wanted to find somewhere to cheer on Arshavin’s goal.. lol
42 Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:57:57
Our two front men are without doubt, the worst headers of the ball in the Prem. The Yak looks like he wears lead boots and A.J. is only marginally better, any centre half laughs as he wins every high ball. Cana’s the man !
43 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:14:56
Yakubu is one of the worst headers?
What he score with in the final game then? his shoulder?
I’m sure he’s racked up quite a few last season?
Or maybe I’m sick and disillusioned.. How many is the limit of aspirin I can take?
44 Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:50:11
45 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:22:06
46 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:34:55
Russia won 2-0 :)
Arshavin looks gold. Pity price is a bit.
Who are the other Prem League teams after him?
Gunna try sleep.. Argh.. pain..
47 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:42:12
48 Posted 18/06/2008 at 23:41:00
49 Posted 18/06/2008 at 23:53:50
50 Posted 19/06/2008 at 00:13:41
51 Posted 19/06/2008 at 02:35:13
He’s too good for our hoofball anyway.
52 Posted 19/06/2008 at 04:26:56
I my opinion that, and being closer to family, would be more of a pull than anything football related.
While I don’t want to see him leave, like all of us, he has to do what makes him happy. Whatever that is, good luck to him
53 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:51:50
54 Posted 19/06/2008 at 15:16:19