Sat here watching Russia steam past Sweden and seeing our last lingering hopes of landing Arshavin evaporate in a cloud of smoking agents with pound signs in their eyes and thoughts of 'my clients looking for Champions League football' forming in their greedy little pea-sized brains.
Although I never expected us to make any in roads into the market till late June/early July I have to say that I think we've missed out on a brilliant opportunity here. We fans (and we're led to believe Moyes too) have had our eye on this lad since our UEFA group game and had we acted earlier we might have had a genuine chance of landing him ? although not a certainty.
Now he's a Russian hero though, we'll have all the Premier league suspects (doubtless including a prominent countryman) wearing a path to his door, he'll be £10mill+ with wages to match and the chance of us signing him are about as good as Liverpool sharing their new stadium...
Ah well, onwards and sideways... at least we won't face any additional competition when persuing those Polish, Swiss, Greek, Austrian and Romanian starlets. We might be able to pick up some cut-price aging French and Czechs too!
Chris James, Posted 18/06/2008 at 20:52:25
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1 Posted 18/06/2008 at 21:16:06
2 Posted 19/06/2008 at 05:53:27
And let’s face it, if you were an international player with great belief in your abilities and were about to play in one of the most important tournaments in world football - would you sign for a good club on a good wage beforehand, or wait until you have played (and hopefully starred) in the tournament with the intention of getting a more lucrative contract with an even better club?
3 Posted 19/06/2008 at 07:43:22
4 Posted 19/06/2008 at 07:47:40
The sad thing is I think we will be behind a cue of the likes of Italy's best clubs, Spain's best clubs and if Liverpool or Man Utd come in for him behind them too and also at this moment unless he?s desperate for Premier League football why leave Zenit?
Arshavin is great quality SIGN HIM
5 Posted 19/06/2008 at 08:05:08
Arshavin was a different class yesterday. It will be interesting to see how he does against better opposition in the Q/F.
6 Posted 19/06/2008 at 08:18:45
7 Posted 19/06/2008 at 08:34:09
8 Posted 19/06/2008 at 08:33:16
Not all the best signings are the ones that get all the publicity e.g. Jagielka last summer - seen by some Evertonians to be a waste; the fact that he was from a relegated club was mentioned a few times.Any doubters now ? Very few I think. Steven Pienaar - not having the best of times at Borussia Dortmund- now would you say he has proved a good signing. I think I detect a chorus of Yes.
I would like us to sign Arshavin - but if we don’t let’s move on. Let’s show some faith in Moyes, he has a good record in his transfer dealings.And le’ts not forget it’s not always the headline making deals that are the most successful - I doubt whether there were too many columns in the national papers about either the Jagielka or the Pienaar deal.
9 Posted 19/06/2008 at 08:46:57
Only Evertonians will say Everton and the rest will say Arsenal. This will be one player who would of made a huge huge impact on the Everton squad. There is also talks of Everton putting a bid in for the Dutch lad who I think will improve the defensive midfield.
10 Posted 19/06/2008 at 09:21:31
11 Posted 19/06/2008 at 09:23:14
12 Posted 19/06/2008 at 09:29:07
13 Posted 19/06/2008 at 09:40:39
Whilst our stature has improved significantly over the last 2-3 years, we simply can’t compete with the Champions League Teams in Italy, Germany, Spain and of course, the Sky 4.
14 Posted 19/06/2008 at 10:11:01
£15 mil Bentley...£10 mil Arshavin... NO CONTEST in my eyes
15 Posted 19/06/2008 at 10:11:00
16 Posted 19/06/2008 at 10:24:58
Let’s suppose we did try to sign Arshavin during the last window (and I’m as much in posession of the facts as anyone else on here, ie. I don’t have a clue as to what they are) but he told us he was happy where he was - a statement borne I’m out by his side winning the Uefa Cup, their own domestic league, qualifying for next year’s Champions’ League and playing for a club owned by the mega-rich company, Gazprom.
So, why do fans come on here and blithely state we should have signed him as if they’re talking about some lad they’ve spotted having a few decent games in the Zingari league?
17 Posted 19/06/2008 at 11:19:46
18 Posted 19/06/2008 at 11:28:07
19 Posted 19/06/2008 at 11:34:43
20 Posted 19/06/2008 at 11:42:29
a) David Moyes wins substantial damages from Wayne Rooney, Hunter Davies and HarperCollins and donates all monies to a former Everton players charitable foundation to widespread appreciation on here and elsewhere. Not a peep from Mr Marsh.
b) David Moyes "fails" to sign a player no-one can prove he is actually interested in. Mr Marsh seizes opportunity to get a dig in about David’s character.
21 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:03:38
Perhaps I was harsh in my remarks - but given your constant criticism of Moyes and the fact that you seem reluctant to give him any credit at all - I think that you deserve them. If you want guaranteed sucess why don’t you follow Celtic or Rangers. Or buy yourself a Championship Manager game and cheat - leave the real world to the grown ups.
22 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:14:40
23 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:17:06
24 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:27:53
25 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:29:11
Give Moyes a chance, he has been pretty damn hot in the transfer market for us in the past.
I am sure he will pull some great signings out of the bag this summer
26 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:31:14
What's happening at Goodison? As far as we are aware, Moyes still has no indication of what he has to spend, he still hasn?t signed a new contract... Is everton in the process of being taken over? Who knows?
But if we don?t start pulling our finger out we will be left behind, because we won't finish 4th or higher without making some top signings. David Moyes has worked hard and brought Everton back up the league, the least he deserves is the financial backing.
27 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:43:40
Let the club deal with the transfers withour moaning. As Stuart says, DM is quite good in that respect.
28 Posted 19/06/2008 at 13:04:38
29 Posted 19/06/2008 at 13:11:32
According to the FA site the window opened 1st June
30 Posted 19/06/2008 at 12:58:22
31 Posted 19/06/2008 at 13:28:04
Why dont we sign Ronaldo, Kaka and Messi as well ?
32 Posted 19/06/2008 at 13:48:25
Do you honestly think a player in a good side who were closing in on the league title (or just won it) and were plodding along nicely in the Wafer Cup would just drop it all and come to us?
Skirtle went to the redshite because they were in the Champions League, what could we offer Shaved Arse in Jan? At best a fight for 4th place.
We should have bought him Jan....give me strength!!
33 Posted 19/06/2008 at 13:40:07
34 Posted 19/06/2008 at 11:39:10
35 Posted 19/06/2008 at 16:48:31
We will see, lets see what happens when Russia’s Euro 2008 is finished.
I read Phil McNulty too, a more illustrious club like city who are in Europe because they are nice boys and all the nicer ones are better than them already
36 Posted 19/06/2008 at 19:03:09
37 Posted 19/06/2008 at 20:19:19
You are the same Tony Marsh who labelled David Moyes a coward on here last season aren’t you? And you are the same Tony Marsh who accused David of lacking class, leadership and bottle? Or is that another Tony Marsh? Because if it is you (and it is you) then expecting to have a sane discussion with you about David Moyes is probably going to be a waste of both our times.
But here goes.
David Moyes will never win with fans like you. Why? Because if he doesn’t sign the players you want, at the exact time you want them and at the price you think they are worth then you moan he isn’t doing his job properly.
Personally, I think the only thing that matters is David signs players when he wants them. And given his record in the transfer market (Joleon, the two Tims, The Yak, Mikel, etc) you’d have to say he’s doing pretty fine.
Actually, doubtless Tony you wouldn’t say he’s doing fine and will inevitably trot out the names Beattie and Kroldrup and point the finger. Undoubtedly, these two were duds but rather than say the experience has taught David to take extra caution with his signings for fear of repeating past mistakes you prefer to acuse him of being slow off the mark.
Where fans like you are concerned sadly David’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
38 Posted 19/06/2008 at 22:13:08
I would like to point out, however, that we do not have unlimited funds like some clubs seem to at the minute, and spending money on any player (particularly one from outside the Prem), is a calculated risk. I think overall Moyes has done us proud with some astute signings in his tenure, and given that our financial situation means that we need to spend our money extremely wisely, I say take all the time you need Mr Moyes. I would rather see us get the players we need on the last day of the transfer window than us blow our budget in some misguided rush to sign players immediately.
39 Posted 19/06/2008 at 22:59:04
40 Posted 20/06/2008 at 07:24:33
Perhaps he should consider that we are not the only club to miss out on "transfer targets". Man Utd were also linked with Ramsay - so in moving to Arsenal it wasn’t just us he turned down.We are not the only club interersted in Arashavin.You win some you lose some - that’s how it’s always been.
I think Tony Waverleas summed up Tony Marsh’s attitude - whatever Moyes does - he will find fault with.
I remember my Dad used to have a season ticket in Upper Bullens Road and the guy next to him never really liked Bob Latchford. Well in Oct ’77 I think it was ;Bob scored 4 down at Loftus Road in a 5-1 win over QPR. This bloke went to that game - the following week at the game at Goodison he was telling my Dad about the QPR game. My old man couldn’t resist saying " Latchford did well then scoring 4 goals" To which the bloke replied - " Yeah but he should have scored 10" !!!!!!!! The moral of the story being you can never please some people.If Moyes signs Arashavin and he has a brilliant season for us - no doubt the Tony Marshs of this world will only moan - we should have signed him in January 2008!!!!!!!
41 Posted 20/06/2008 at 07:40:59
Dave Gerrard - only disgreed with you on the point of being nice to Mr Marsh !!! Agree with your point about the timings - as you say - does it matter whether we get the right blokes now or in the last few days of the transfer window. I think we signed Nigel Martin on deadline day - he was pretty good.
42 Posted 20/06/2008 at 10:22:29
43 Posted 20/06/2008 at 11:10:10