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Today's rags brought contrasting tales about Everton's current position in the transfer market. Depending on your choice of paper, you will either believe that Moyes is on the brink of signing a 5-year £12M contract and ready to embark on a summer transfer splurge (courtesy of the Sunday Express), or you will think that he's on the point of packing it in, frustrated by a lack of funds and with the board for being more interested in the stadium (courtesy of The People or Kopite Chris Bascombe at the NOTW).
Alternatively, you may not have picked up a paper today, therefore you might be relying on ToffeeWeb to bring you up to speed. No prizes for guessing which of the two stories ToffeeWeb decided to showcase on their headlines page! Bloody doom and gloom merchants, the lot of ya!
Jon Sellick, Posted 22/06/2008 at 16:56:58
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Michael Kenrick
I spent 20 mins this morning searching the bloody Sunday Express website for that story... countless different ways. No dice. That was some hours ago.. it may well be there ... but you know what. I don't give a fuck when I have to respond to arseholes like you. Perhaps you could be useful yerself and send me the link instead of gripeing pathetically.
Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 22/06/2008 at 18:50:46
1 Posted 22/06/2008 at 18:50:46
With "crisis talks" under way because BS Bill has seen his favourite loan shark switch to Spurs it suddenly occured to me that the last we heard Davie hadn't yet signed a new contract. Prior to the season ending their were rumours that he was stalling until he saw how many tens of millions he would have to spend. Now that the fictitious ground move and Phillip Green have supposedly meant our piggy bank is actually empty I wonder if he will sign at all?
What does he have to look forward to?Watching his transfer targets playing for Mark Hughes at city next season? Waiting for Arteta's agent to pull a Ronaldo on us? Wondering how many games Tiny Tim will miss due to his foot problems? Or will he sign anyway just to keep himself busy until either Fergie or Strachan are out of work?
Varun Rajwade
2 Posted 22/06/2008 at 19:53:00
2 Posted 22/06/2008 at 19:53:00
Michael, I really admire the job that you and the entire TW team do.. You have always said that TW is for people who have differing opinions about Everton... And that as editor you hate when one Evertonian criticizes another for differing opinions... I feel you have done the same... Calling an EVERTONIAN an arsehole is simply not done...
Tony Waverleas
3 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:03:24
3 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:03:24
I think Jon’s referring to The Star (part of the Express group of titles I think) because this was a story referenced in The Observer’s tales from the tabs column today.
Arthur Jones
4 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:06:06
4 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:06:06
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/interactiveEditorial/0,16398,3209,00.html
All the rumours are here, including the Sunday Express one and the NOTW and People... believe what you want. Incidentally I couldn?t find the Express article on their website
All the rumours are here, including the Sunday Express one and the NOTW and People... believe what you want. Incidentally I couldn?t find the Express article on their website
Dan McKie
5 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:16:29
5 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:16:29
There has been a story linking us to various players every day for weeks now along with most other clubs. Now I know some of it is pure rubbish but it can't all be can it? What I'm getting at is that are we to believe a story today which would rubbish every story of "£8 mil for him or £11 mill for that guy" for the last month? I don't think we should be worrying just yet, it's not like anyone else has been buying!
Steve Wolfe
6 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:37:20
6 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:37:20
Jon, visit the Offiical Site for propganda and everything is rosey kinda stories, visit here for a dose of realism.
Mike Byrne
7 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:37:59
7 Posted 22/06/2008 at 20:37:59
Don’t slam Jon Sellick for referring to an article that was in the Sunday Express paper - I too read it - it isn’t his fault if some people are too fucking tight to buy a paper and it isn’t on the Express web-site!!!
Marc Williams
8 Posted 22/06/2008 at 21:12:57
8 Posted 22/06/2008 at 21:12:57
Jon, of course we?re doom merchants, I?ve been following this club since the 1970s so I & many others have seen this all before.
Just this time the mis-managment by our board is more depressing because we?ve got a genuine chance to consolidate are hard won progress Moyes has brought.
But With :
Moyes still NOT signing his contract ( I think we can all take wild guess at why
eh ! )
Listening to Gobshites already crowing about there?s only one team in the city.
AJ being offered for sale at £7 Million (to fuckin Boro !?!) when we were offered £15 million last summer by West Ham (because he supposedly only wanted a move to London).
Celtic offering Brum £5.5 million plus a £2 million rated defender for Jimmy Mac when we sold him on the cheap from our already wafer-thin squad.... WHY DO WE ALWAYS SELL CHEAPLY ?
Arshavin now a household BIG money name when we could have tied up a deal potentially on the cheap earlier in the year.
Being laughed at in JJB trying to hunt down a new shirt for my daughter
Being constantly linked with yet more defenders (one who?s NOT even made the 1st team of his championship side). When we all know we need midfielders
Being linked with BIG money move for players we?ve let go from the Academy.
WHY ARE WE LINKED WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS AT INFLATED PRICES ?
Arteta?s Fuckin agent
Villa already lining up BIG buys to revamp their midfield
Man City spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave
ETC ETC ETC
I could go on but I?m gettin even more depressed putting my fears in black & white (I?m sure my therapist said it would be cathartic). I guess my one solace in all this is knowing that when the Wheels come off, there?ll be
some jaunty little ?half full? kind of fella?s coming on this site to cheer me up eh!
Just this time the mis-managment by our board is more depressing because we?ve got a genuine chance to consolidate are hard won progress Moyes has brought.
But With :
Moyes still NOT signing his contract ( I think we can all take wild guess at why
eh ! )
Listening to Gobshites already crowing about there?s only one team in the city.
AJ being offered for sale at £7 Million (to fuckin Boro !?!) when we were offered £15 million last summer by West Ham (because he supposedly only wanted a move to London).
Celtic offering Brum £5.5 million plus a £2 million rated defender for Jimmy Mac when we sold him on the cheap from our already wafer-thin squad.... WHY DO WE ALWAYS SELL CHEAPLY ?
Arshavin now a household BIG money name when we could have tied up a deal potentially on the cheap earlier in the year.
Being laughed at in JJB trying to hunt down a new shirt for my daughter
Being constantly linked with yet more defenders (one who?s NOT even made the 1st team of his championship side). When we all know we need midfielders
Being linked with BIG money move for players we?ve let go from the Academy.
WHY ARE WE LINKED WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS AT INFLATED PRICES ?
Arteta?s Fuckin agent
Villa already lining up BIG buys to revamp their midfield
Man City spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave
ETC ETC ETC
I could go on but I?m gettin even more depressed putting my fears in black & white (I?m sure my therapist said it would be cathartic). I guess my one solace in all this is knowing that when the Wheels come off, there?ll be
some jaunty little ?half full? kind of fella?s coming on this site to cheer me up eh!
Stefan Tosev
9 Posted 22/06/2008 at 23:22:00
9 Posted 22/06/2008 at 23:22:00
A bit crazy responces me thinks, although I am also on the ignore list of TW, I think that we can only admire the work Michael and all the TW team are doing.
Let's have peace please :) We are all Evertonians
Let's have peace please :) We are all Evertonians
Alex French
10 Posted 22/06/2008 at 23:35:33
10 Posted 22/06/2008 at 23:35:33
I think we all appreciate and admire the work that is done for this site. A few comments here suggest that we are all allowed to express our feelings, its a free country, and thats the point of this site?!
I totally understand Jon Sellicks comments and see where he is coming from, again he is expressing his thoughts...
We can also see that Michael Kenrick is expressing his... fair enough!
But perhaps as the Executive Editor of this site he should have thought before he spoke!
At the end of the day I think all Evertonians are becoming slightly antsy with regards to the current situation of none existant transfers, or any sort of news coming from Goodison Park.... I suggest we wait until the end of the Euro?s to expect any sort of movement!.... Lets hope so eh!?
See what Moyes pulls out of the bag!!
I totally understand Jon Sellicks comments and see where he is coming from, again he is expressing his thoughts...
We can also see that Michael Kenrick is expressing his... fair enough!
But perhaps as the Executive Editor of this site he should have thought before he spoke!
At the end of the day I think all Evertonians are becoming slightly antsy with regards to the current situation of none existant transfers, or any sort of news coming from Goodison Park.... I suggest we wait until the end of the Euro?s to expect any sort of movement!.... Lets hope so eh!?
See what Moyes pulls out of the bag!!
Roy Coyne
11 Posted 23/06/2008 at 00:06:16
11 Posted 23/06/2008 at 00:06:16
What's this the let's get a dig at Kenrick? I think you mean Kenwright guys ? he's the one who deserves the wrath of the fans. If any of the editors feel strongly enough about anything and considering all the unpaid time spent on this site I think they have the right to express their opinions whether it's what I think or not. And let's be honest the guy started it attacking him in the first place.
Richard Murray
12 Posted 23/06/2008 at 01:52:27
12 Posted 23/06/2008 at 01:52:27
The guy had a swipe at TF and Michael told him to fuck off.
Big deal.
Big deal.
Jason Lam
13 Posted 23/06/2008 at 02:55:49
13 Posted 23/06/2008 at 02:55:49
Lads you need to lay off the panic button and head for the beach. These past years we’’ve never had any decent news of decent transfers coming in. Last year with the Yak we were saying how lazy he was. Jags and relegated Sheff Utd. Manny and his late deflection to Valencia. ’New’ signing Gravesen. Lescott and his dodgy knee before.
Moyes will come through with the results. It won’t be pornographic material but we’ll be competent. Assuming he’ll be with us of course. Nah, Moyes will stay. COYB.
Moyes will come through with the results. It won’t be pornographic material but we’ll be competent. Assuming he’ll be with us of course. Nah, Moyes will stay. COYB.
Mike McLean
14 Posted 23/06/2008 at 05:56:52
14 Posted 23/06/2008 at 05:56:52
Nothing but the comment will suffice.
You?re an inspiration to us all, Jason.
You?re an inspiration to us all, Jason.
Ged Simpson
15 Posted 23/06/2008 at 06:32:54
15 Posted 23/06/2008 at 06:32:54
Well responded Michael. Don?t blame you.
Bottom line is that we are all so bored we are trying to decide which lie from the media we should highlight.
You gullible idiots.
Bottom line is that we are all so bored we are trying to decide which lie from the media we should highlight.
You gullible idiots.
Dave Wilson
16 Posted 23/06/2008 at 06:07:34
16 Posted 23/06/2008 at 06:07:34
Why on earth would anyone expect any transfer news?
Only when a decision on DK has been reached will anything concrete Develop.
Don't concern yourselves about whether the the glass is half full or half empty,
Until the board know if they need to find £100 mill pronto we haven't even got a fucking drink.
The post by Jon Sellick was an attack on the site, MK was entitled to defend it
Only when a decision on DK has been reached will anything concrete Develop.
Don't concern yourselves about whether the the glass is half full or half empty,
Until the board know if they need to find £100 mill pronto we haven't even got a fucking drink.
The post by Jon Sellick was an attack on the site, MK was entitled to defend it
Jason Lam
17 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:20:35
17 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:20:35
Nothing but the affordable will suffice. I’m not saying I enjoy the horror show on offer. But I’ll be more pissed off if we started losing. 5th ahead of Villa, Spurs, Man City, Portsmouth, Newcastle. UEFA Cup qualification.
Where’s me trucks?
Where’s me trucks?
Michael Brien
18 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:23:58
18 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:23:58
Dave - Jon Sellick,s comments were a criticism rather than an attack- the strongest critical comment he used was to call TW " doom and gloom merchants"
In reply Mr Kenrick called him " an arsehole". Presumably he favours the "Robert Mugabe approach" when it comes to criticism!!! I notice that there are certains conditions that you have to agee to in replying to comments/articles etc on TW - including no personal attacks etc. Re Michael Kenricks comments - is it a case of one rule for you another for the rest of us !!?
I like the debates etc and the exchange of opinions - but as Stefan said - we are all Evertonians - is there really a need for the abuse? People will have different opionions -But it?s possible to diasagree without getting personal and abusive.
In reply Mr Kenrick called him " an arsehole". Presumably he favours the "Robert Mugabe approach" when it comes to criticism!!! I notice that there are certains conditions that you have to agee to in replying to comments/articles etc on TW - including no personal attacks etc. Re Michael Kenricks comments - is it a case of one rule for you another for the rest of us !!?
I like the debates etc and the exchange of opinions - but as Stefan said - we are all Evertonians - is there really a need for the abuse? People will have different opionions -But it?s possible to diasagree without getting personal and abusive.
Gavin Harris
19 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:58:32
19 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:58:32
I see where Jon is coming from and when people resort to using the f? word and snapping its normally because they know the person is right. Saying this Michael and the team do a brilliant job and should be congratulated.
I find Ged?s response pretty pathetic to be honest. Just becuase Jon made a point about a positive story in the paper you label him a ?gullible idiot?. What if I said you were a gullible idiot when it came from the anti-Kirkby or anti-Kenwright camp. Basically, take everything with a pinch of salt, make up your own views and refrain from insulting people.
I find Ged?s response pretty pathetic to be honest. Just becuase Jon made a point about a positive story in the paper you label him a ?gullible idiot?. What if I said you were a gullible idiot when it came from the anti-Kirkby or anti-Kenwright camp. Basically, take everything with a pinch of salt, make up your own views and refrain from insulting people.
Michael Kenrick
20 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:57:12
20 Posted 23/06/2008 at 07:57:12
We publish any and all views ? positive, negative, indifferent ? we really don't mind... just as long as it?s about Everton. That?s why I get a bit annoyed when people like Jon Sellick start with this "negativity" bullshit. People are posting views from all corners of the spectrum. There is no need to categorize (wrongly!) the stance of this website as part of your comment, and I react accordingly. This is an Independent Everton website and people who contribute are free to talk about anything to do with Everton... as long as it really is to do with Everton.
Respect applies to this website as well: if you can?t or don?t appreciate what we are providing, and want instead to abuse it, that's something I cannot accept.
Respect applies to this website as well: if you can?t or don?t appreciate what we are providing, and want instead to abuse it, that's something I cannot accept.
ps: There is still no Moyes story on either the Express or the Star websites suggesting he will sign a £12M contract.
Michael Brien
21 Posted 23/06/2008 at 08:07:53
21 Posted 23/06/2008 at 08:07:53
Michael - I don?t think Jon Sellick was abusing Toffee Web - he was being critical - I think that there is a difference.
I certainly appreciate what is provided - It?s just that I think there is no need to resort to personal/abusive comments. There have been reports in the press that DM has signed a new contract - other reports suggest he hasn?t. It?s all speculation and gossip and rumour, a lot of the stuff will no doubt turn out to be pure fiction. Is there any need for vitirolic comments on such speculation? Personally I don?t think so. As Stefan Tosev put it so aptly - Let?s have peace please.
I certainly appreciate what is provided - It?s just that I think there is no need to resort to personal/abusive comments. There have been reports in the press that DM has signed a new contract - other reports suggest he hasn?t. It?s all speculation and gossip and rumour, a lot of the stuff will no doubt turn out to be pure fiction. Is there any need for vitirolic comments on such speculation? Personally I don?t think so. As Stefan Tosev put it so aptly - Let?s have peace please.
Ste Kenny
22 Posted 23/06/2008 at 09:50:00
22 Posted 23/06/2008 at 09:50:00
If you dont like the atmosphere of a certain place you dont go there. If you dont like the food at a certain restaurant dont eat there, if you dont like what is on a certain website........... I?m sure you get my drift.
There is a lot of negative things on this website. That's because there is a lot of (what many including myself believe) negativity surrounding our club. If you choose to ignore it or can't see it that's your problem.
There is a lot of negative things on this website. That's because there is a lot of (what many including myself believe) negativity surrounding our club. If you choose to ignore it or can't see it that's your problem.
Christopher Mowll
23 Posted 23/06/2008 at 09:51:04
23 Posted 23/06/2008 at 09:51:04
Michael - You are right to defend the website, but you are wrong to submit a personal attack on someone for their opinion, and such an outburst will provoke a debate not based on footballing matters, or on the article listed. As you are the editor of this site I would expect a more adult and eloquent response from you. An explanation of why you chose to run with the headline you did would have gained you a lot more respect than your juvenile rant. Now let?s get back to the football please.
Jon Sellick
24 Posted 23/06/2008 at 10:12:14
24 Posted 23/06/2008 at 10:12:14
Apologies for the offence caused, Michael. Obviously I can see how my original post would have got under your skin, to say the least. As I spend about 90 per cent of my online time on Toffeeweb, it is hypocritical of me to slag the site off and I certainly appreciate the effort put in by people who are under no obligation.
I can?t deny I was venting my frustration - sometimes it does feel that fellow blues are only happy when grumbling about something. I dread to think what would have been posted on here if today?s internet access was around during the nineties!
However, I accept that things aren?t perfect. The (perhaps naive) eternal optimist in me was frustrated by a lack of action and irritated by what sometimes feels like a "doom and gloom" mentality amongst Evertonians.
My post was not intended to be a wholesale slagging off of the site, just an observation of what sometimes feels like a pretty down in the dumps place to talk ?Everton?.
I can?t deny I was venting my frustration - sometimes it does feel that fellow blues are only happy when grumbling about something. I dread to think what would have been posted on here if today?s internet access was around during the nineties!
However, I accept that things aren?t perfect. The (perhaps naive) eternal optimist in me was frustrated by a lack of action and irritated by what sometimes feels like a "doom and gloom" mentality amongst Evertonians.
My post was not intended to be a wholesale slagging off of the site, just an observation of what sometimes feels like a pretty down in the dumps place to talk ?Everton?.
Chris Roberts
25 Posted 23/06/2008 at 10:46:16
25 Posted 23/06/2008 at 10:46:16
I?m the only one who finds this funny aren?t I?
Sorry Micheal but the impression TW gives gives off is moany and your reaction as editor is really funny. Sort of Keeganesque almost....
*picks up rattle from floor*
Sorry Micheal but the impression TW gives gives off is moany and your reaction as editor is really funny. Sort of Keeganesque almost....
*picks up rattle from floor*
Chad Schofield
26 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:08:25
26 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:08:25
Fuck off Chris!
No offence, I just thought I would add to the debate.
No offence, I just thought I would add to the debate.
Tony Williams
27 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:09:24
27 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:09:24
Michael, it probably would have been better to not submit the actual post on the site, which would have saved a lot of angry/explanatory posts.........then again where is the fun in that?
Roll on the next contraversial post to take our minds of the boredom of the close season
Roll on the next contraversial post to take our minds of the boredom of the close season
Mike Coates
28 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:21:08
28 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:21:08
Negatives and Positives.
It just all comes down to what you prefer/like to believe out of the media.
I myself just go with the flow, read every point of view I can and see who gets it right in the long run.
I try not to take anything too seriously.
Otherwise one just disappoints themselves.
It just all comes down to what you prefer/like to believe out of the media.
I myself just go with the flow, read every point of view I can and see who gets it right in the long run.
I try not to take anything too seriously.
Otherwise one just disappoints themselves.
Paul Gladwell
29 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:17:01
29 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:17:01
I know his opinion is only as good as yours or mine, but my mate was in the company of a great ex-blue centre-half on Saturday and his comments were straight to the point "The club is getting moved in the wrong direction" he said and when I say his opinion is only the same as ours, this ex-blue does have a little bit more in the know sources than me or you. I just get the feeling something is ready to blow at this club, should we not be making sure our playing side is strong enough before we move, otherwise we could end up blowing the chance of catching up and ending up with a new half empty ground playing catch up again or even worse playing stay up.
Michael Potts
30 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:20:56
30 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:20:56
There must be some money available. We had a £5 million bid accepted for Aaron Ramsey, who if you believe the stories had decided to join us before meeting Arsene Wenger.
Richard Harris
31 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:37:12
31 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:37:12
Ah, the summer transfer rumours and all the twists and turns. The vast majority is ill-informed speculation or just invented by the hacks as football news sells papers more than any other sport in the U.K. Alan Nixon has been writing ?exclusives? for years that have very little relation to the ?facts?. But hey, don?t let that get in the way of a good story. The only way to deal with this is to either ignore all the misinformation or, if you have the time, to contact the papers on why the vast majority of their ?exclusives? are made up. However they try to spin it most of the rumours presented as facts just don?t happen. Even allowing for deals becoming more complex than stated or the negotiations failing, the papers have an abysmal record over many years with their predictions presented as fact. Now if we?re stupid enough to fall for it all, then that?s another matter!
Chris Roberts
32 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:50:21
32 Posted 23/06/2008 at 11:50:21
My mate summoned up the spirit of Harry Catterick the other day and definitely said Kirkby was a good idea.
Then again he always enjoyed the safari park. Harry Catterick, that is ? not my mate ? he hates baboons.
Then again he always enjoyed the safari park. Harry Catterick, that is ? not my mate ? he hates baboons.
Andy Callan
33 Posted 23/06/2008 at 13:13:01
33 Posted 23/06/2008 at 13:13:01
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
You are like a bunch of birds you men...
Makes me laugh.
Just ask yourselves this, regardless of what you believe / think you have read / have read; would you sign a contract if you never had any money to spend on the teams and therefore have no future for the club at which you worked?
I certainly fuckin’ wouldn’t - Evertonian or not.
You are like a bunch of birds you men...
Makes me laugh.
Just ask yourselves this, regardless of what you believe / think you have read / have read; would you sign a contract if you never had any money to spend on the teams and therefore have no future for the club at which you worked?
I certainly fuckin’ wouldn’t - Evertonian or not.
Brian Williams
34 Posted 23/06/2008 at 14:17:42
34 Posted 23/06/2008 at 14:17:42
I think you’ve all missed the point completely and have fallen into the trap of believing any old shite you read in the papers.
Who’s bought who? Go no who have City bought? Blacburn? Villa?
I rest me effing case...get a grip of yourselves and take what you read with a pinch of salt.
FFS it was exaclty like this last close season people panicking and believing everything they read. Does anybody actually KNOW that we were ever in for Arshavin?.........no!
Just wait and see...........
Who’s bought who? Go no who have City bought? Blacburn? Villa?
I rest me effing case...get a grip of yourselves and take what you read with a pinch of salt.
FFS it was exaclty like this last close season people panicking and believing everything they read. Does anybody actually KNOW that we were ever in for Arshavin?.........no!
Just wait and see...........
Michael Brien
35 Posted 23/06/2008 at 16:32:32
35 Posted 23/06/2008 at 16:32:32
A couple of points to add to what Brian said - It wasn't just us that Ramsay turned down it was also Man Utd. Secondly if it?s speculation you want - how about the ongoing will he go to Madrid/will he stay at Old Trafford saga of Ronaldo? Personally I think it?s fun to see United in this situation!!!
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