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Arshavin or bust?
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A purely hypothetical question, but considering that it is widely rumoured we only have £20mill to spend, and Arshavin's price tag seems to have risen from £8m to £18m, should we put all our eggs in one basket and just try to sign one outstanding player rather than 3 or 4 average players?
William Morris, Posted 24/06/2008 at 08:54:42
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1 Posted 24/06/2008 at 18:37:33
We definatly need to sort the centre midfield out as its been ages since we actually had a half decent one. Carsley, Gravesen and Cahill was our last good combination and that only last 6-8 months.
A natural dictator is needed. Someone like Fernandes or even Huddlestone who can put there foot on the ball and dictate when we have possession. Alongside him we need a defensive midfielder.
2 Posted 24/06/2008 at 18:54:43
Injured players like Cahill and Vaughny would finally be back and we’d be looking great again.
Plus if we DID land Arshavin more people may actually take notice. Other than ofcourse bringing in a quality player, people around the world may also take notice that Everton is becoming one of the big guns again.
But its all dreaming at this stage, have to wait and see unfortunately.. :(
3 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:11:36
4 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:18:23
We are not a club that can afford to write off £20,000,000 if it goes wrong, so in my opinion such a move should be ruled out. We’ve made giant strides since the Walter Smith reign, when we seemed to be selling our best players every year just to survive - Speed, Barmby, Ferguson, Ball, Jeffers etc...
I would hate to find us back there.
5 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:33:05
6 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:02:26
7 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:07:08
However, I would not buy any player with an over inflated price tag because og the Euro?s. The games bear no resemblance to the Premier League as they are about half the speed. Arshavin may look a world beater in the Euro?s and a carpet beater in the Prem
8 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:13:22
A player of that ability would lift the whole club and the players.
Youngsters at the club would learn a lot from a player of that calibre as well.
9 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:41:48
10 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:58:20
11 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:31:05
Follow that with Fernandes on loan again, and 2 others in midfield I will be more than happy.
12 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:12:15
Now all has gone quiet on him just the way Moyes likes it. I think Bradley will be first through the door at the farm. Hopefully followed by a quality winger along the lines of Joaquin and the man we carn’t go a whole season without Mr Fernandes.
Im sure Moyes will have a great surprise around the corner for the end of the window as well.
13 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:44:51
look at this, there is no way on this earth that Arshavin will be coming to Everton.
He is linked with Barcelona, Chelsea, Inter, Arsenal and us - who would you choose ??? us paying £50k a week or Chelsea paying £100k.
Not a bloody chance
14 Posted 24/06/2008 at 22:09:05
15 Posted 24/06/2008 at 22:43:07
16 Posted 24/06/2008 at 23:48:44
One shouldn?t dream, far too old at 48 (44 of them as an Evertonian). But The thought of Arshavin, Fernandez and Engelaar taking the field makes me swell. All 3 of these guys have no fear, nor does Pienaar, Lescott, Cahill, Arteta and Yakubu.
Having young Vaughan back would be fabulous too. I?ve rated this kid so highly and it would be a new signing for us. This kid is due some slice of luck. If there is a god he?ll be in the England squad by end of season.
17 Posted 25/06/2008 at 00:09:26
18 Posted 25/06/2008 at 00:26:17
First and foremost why are we all only aware of his talent when he has entered his 27th year. Given that it took Pires (very similar player) a year to adjust, for 10 mill are we only gonna get a good 2-3 years out of him albeit 09/10 with no resale value. I was at the Zenit game and I hadnt had an ale but I cant remember him.
I do have my doubts and I know he aint popular on this site but would go all out for Bentley - I know he has an ego, I know he would be lookin for a move 2 or 3 seasons in but the lads quality - dunno Arshavin for me would flatter to deceive especially when a clugger like Terry/Carra goes right through him and empties him out.
Bentley would move us on, allow us to free up Mikel into the middle where he belongs, Osman steps down to squad boy.
If we become successful then Bentley may stay, if we dont do that well I still reckon he would perform and thus guarantee us an at least money back price!
19 Posted 25/06/2008 at 03:01:44
In response to the original post, I think we need at least 3 very good players right now, and we’ll wait to sign that one world class player after we secure champions league football next season! COYB!
20 Posted 25/06/2008 at 07:19:42
Hibbert will have him in his pocket though.
21 Posted 25/06/2008 at 09:49:36
22 Posted 25/06/2008 at 10:54:48
23 Posted 25/06/2008 at 11:01:23
24 Posted 25/06/2008 at 11:24:18
Its all pish, AJ’s off to West Ham, we’re buying Engelaar, Bentley, Arshavin, Bent, Lywandowski (sp?), that aussie from Celtic, Milner, the young goalie from somwhere lower league, the striker from Wolves with the funny name and pretty much anyone else you care to mention!
25 Posted 25/06/2008 at 12:19:11
I think some people think all Moyes has got to do is identify the player he wants - pick up the phone- and the job’s done the player is signed.It’s not as easy as that !!!!
We will be one of about a dozen clubs with Arashavin on the wish list - he can only sign for one club.If he turns us down there will be several other clubs that he turns down.Just like Ramsay didn’t just turn us down when he signed for Arsenal - he turned down Man Utd.These things happen - we just move on.
We need to show a bit of faith in Moyes - he has got quite a good record in the transfer market.And remember - it’s not always the deals that make the most news that are the most successful. I would guess that Chelsea signing Shevchenko generated more news than our signing of Pienaar. I think most people would agree that the Pienaar deal was the better one.
26 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:07:02
27 Posted 25/06/2008 at 09:04:04
A decent Premier League side, who have pretentions of Champions League football next season, make an enquiry, apparently eager to buy said playmaker. Unfortunately for this club, history dictates that there is only a very slim chance of them making the CL.
Your player has real confidence in his abilities and would like a tilt at winning trophies elsewhere in a bigger league. You have real confidence in this player and his abilities. Do you:
A - let the Premier League club sign him for £10M?
B - hang on to him until after the major international tournament in the hope that he shines and let the bidding war commence, knowing that you can most likely offer him to aforementioned club anyway.... £15M anyone, do I hear £18M, £20M perhaps???
Come on people, it's a no brainer. Arshavin was never leaving Zenith until after the Euros. Do you think that Mr Advocaat got where he is by letting this kind of opportunity go untried?
The only chance we had of signin Arshavin was if Russia crashed and burned in the group stages, or Arshavin never turned it on. I'm sure he did make positive noises about the blues, but you don't think that was a safety net, in case his ambitions of a top English or Spanish club didn't come to fruition?
Get real!!
28 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:35:00
I like him, he looks like ’our’ sort of player - big, tall, leggy, hard, good passer, tough tackler and he scores some great goals (see YouTube)
29 Posted 25/06/2008 at 11:40:43
As it happened, it was quickly apparent that one of Engelaar?s prime responsibilities was to deny Arshavin the space to influence the game and he failed so miserably in this role that he was substituted before half-time. Meanwhile, Arshavin went on to have a huge impact on both the game and, thereby, the result.
As a result of just two Euro performances, his ?apparent? value has rocketed, some would suggest doubled, and he has sparked the interest of some of the biggest (richest) clubs in Europe. To put it bluntly, EFC have missed the opportunity to make, perhaps, one of our greatest ever signings. Realistically, given his ?new? price tag and the level of competition, we have little or no chance of securing his services.
I cannot say, definitively, that we would have succeeded in signing him had we made a strong move earlier, but I do believe that we would have had, at least, a fair chance. Some reports suggest that Arshavin was well aware of our interest back in the last window (January), and again, immediately after the Uefa Cup final. His current manager, Advocaat, even went on record to say that he believed that his star player would be leaving Zenit, and as far as I am aware only Man City and ourselves were suggesting any interest at that time. Despite Shinawatra?s money, I would have backed EFC to succeed over City had it come down to a choice between the two.
Today, I see that the link with Engelaar has been rekindled. There may, of course, be no substance to this report, but it has just re-ignited my frustration. Simply put, we have lost out on the Thoroughbred, because we apparently didn?t have either the means or the balls to open the stable door when we had the chance, and we seem to have ended up trying to pin our name on the tail of the Donkey instead. Did I once read the word ?ambition? in the same sentence as Everton? If so, I could do with a gallon of whatever the author of that remark was drinking. If Engelaar is truly our number one pick for this summer then heaven help us.
30 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:38:48
Doesn?t sound like any of our players mate....;-)
31 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:42:03
32 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:41:18
Richard Parker and Michael Brien are the two that stand out because they seem to have some common sense.
What makes people think that a manager who sell one of his star palyers three quarters of the way through a season and when they were still in the Wafer Cup?
We never missed the boat because the boat was never in the dock in the first place,
Tony: a request from the Editor: Can you stop with this "Wafer Cup" thing of yours. It was mildly amusing the first time. Now it's just irritating...
33 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:51:03
It is just a phrase I use, like Blue Bill and Fat Keith, nothing derogatory.
34 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:56:52
He?s certainly fits the bill in my opinion. Aggressive, good on the ball, good passer and has a nasty streak about him which we lack in my opinion. Moyes is obviously looking for a tall midfielder and Mikel again fits that description. He?s around 6ft 3 and can tackle and mix it physically.
I?m expecting people to say no, he?s out of our range but I disagree. Chelsea have just bought a right back (Bosingwa) so Essien will be playing centre midfield next season. With Lampard and Ballack in there as well Mikel will be a squad player at best. We?d probably have to pay around 12 million for him but I?d say he?s worth it.
Him and Fernandes in the middle has a good look to it in my opinion.
35 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:59:41
36 Posted 25/06/2008 at 14:26:11
stop being so parental...its only a forum after all... little bit of humour doesnt desicrate anyone's history..
37 Posted 25/06/2008 at 15:48:37
I come here to enjoy myself and I have used these phrase for many years....childish?...you betcha, but when has the irrational feelings and sayings surrounding football been anything else?
38 Posted 25/06/2008 at 20:43:52
39 Posted 25/06/2008 at 21:29:56
40 Posted 26/06/2008 at 09:45:43
standards me arse, you sound like a tin pot hitler!


If last season taught us anything it's that we need more depth to our squad — we struggled without Cahill and lost our key attacking midfield element in the form of Pienaar at a crucial juncture in the campaign — but, of course, the key is not to buy 3 to 4 average players but pick up real quality for as little outlay as possible. Maybe it's 3 quality players instead of one £18m player... who knows. Right now, I'd settle for just knowing Moyes is going to stick around and that he will have money to spend this summer for starters.