I cannot bloody believe the latest rumours coming out of goodison park via the the local papers, suggesting that if the poxy stadium project gets called in then this will have an adverse effect on Mr Moyes spending plans. This is the last thing we need to hear now, it sounds like a ready made excuse for BK and KW.
For a multitude of reasons, this projet is totally wrong, but the one reason that concerned me the most is the one that is emminating out now. Moving should be the last thing we should be doing at this point in time as we finally might have a chance of breaking the sky four monoply, and I feel we are only 2/3 quality players from doing this. We need to focus all our energies and resources on obtaining this instead of splitting our fanbase and risking our current transfer kitty for the huge gamble on an out-of-town stadium.
You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out that financially now is definately the wrong time to move ie credit crunch ,steel prices etc... I have a few friends around the country who support Spurs, Villa , Birmingham City, Utd and the ilk ,and all of them can't believe we are moving out of town to the stadium I showed them at this moment in time, but the biggest question they asked was why would your fans suupport that??? Now that's another story.
Steve Wolfe, Posted 24/06/2008 at 10:50:59
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1 Posted 24/06/2008 at 14:49:29
2 Posted 24/06/2008 at 01:19:35
Or am I the only one? KEIOC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 Posted 24/06/2008 at 14:55:36
I can see it coming a mile off !!
4 Posted 24/06/2008 at 15:13:54
On that basis I would say its a great idea ;)
5 Posted 24/06/2008 at 15:09:55
I?d suggest buying yourself an ice cream.
6 Posted 24/06/2008 at 15:32:32
7 Posted 24/06/2008 at 15:49:27
8 Posted 24/06/2008 at 15:37:43
9 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:08:24
10 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:20:05
KINGS DOCK ......... Oh i?m inconsolable.
11 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:38:41
12 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:43:38
Why? Surely if we have the money to afford Kirkby, if Kirkby disappears, surely that money can be put to good use to building a squad that will be attractive enough for people to want to come to Kirkby in the first place - assuming the project even goes ahead?
13 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:44:23
We have more right in Liverpool, than the shower across the park, we just don?t seem to be strong enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!
14 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:57:47
The ’fans’ voted in favour remember, whether we like it or not.
I dont like it either by the way, its a shitty idea but the only one with financial backing.
15 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:02:47
If the move to Kirkby goes ahead then I will not be there ( season ticket UP FOR SALE).
There use to be a saying ’ no one is bigger than the club’ but Kenwright disproves that theory.
Sad sad days in store.
16 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:05:47
17 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:12:51
18 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:02:55
It has everything you would expect in a soft sell propaganda exercise. Brain dead women whose only wish in life seems to be even more shops, jobs that will offer little more than the minimum wage, a glossing over of the massive logistic problems and a general "Trust us we know what we are doing attitude".
I expect the producers of this garbage have probably had work experience with the Church of Scientology.
19 Posted 24/06/2008 at 16:40:41
I believe if their lending, on that eventuality, it is a bad idea beacuse they would be sayin the basic Stadium, fact! it is, will make money which I tend to disagree with.
If the Tesco Dome does make money it will definitley not be as much as what Kieth Wynees is predicting. Lets face it this man has quoted many figures, the reality of them has made you think, dude you was way off.
I personally hope DK goes tits up! Keith Wyness, I really can not stand that man. Did anyone see his interview on Sky Sports News? It was after knowsley council give the fums up to DK, If my memory serves me correctly. He bascially said "This is the future, like it or lump it" I wish so much the future invloved my right hand and his face! He has no place at our football club in my eyes he is not wanted,, not good enough and a liar!
I would gladly let him take to me to court over that last comment, since he likes to play that game.
20 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:28:13
21 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:42:31
22 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:41:31
"....but if the plans are called in by the government for public scrutiny the entire ground-move scheme would be threatened and Everton?s immediate spending plans affected"
Couple of questions.
Is this bollocks?
If it’s true - did everyone else (but me) know transfer money was linked to the move?
I just need to know so I know how outraged to be (I was away first week in June so could have missed it)
23 Posted 24/06/2008 at 17:58:48
24 Posted 24/06/2008 at 18:06:55
Are you telling me that this "free" stadium of ours is going to cut into Moyes’ "substantial transfer funds"?
Now, I’m no mathematician, but something we could get for FREE shouldn’t need money taken from our apparent SUBSTANTIAL budget.
Unless...I wonder...nah, forget it, I’m thinking like a madman. The board wouldn’t tell lies, would they? They ’love’ this club.
25 Posted 24/06/2008 at 18:26:26
I’ll go slit my wrists now...
26 Posted 24/06/2008 at 18:44:03
Is that really the best support they could get from people walking around, three women who seemed to know very little about it? Desperation Kirkby is incredibly well titled.
27 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:03:31
28 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:00:32
The one thing that we had to beat them with was our heritage in the city, now what do we have?
29 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:26:11
30 Posted 24/06/2008 at 19:55:11
31 Posted 24/06/2008 at 20:26:48
32 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:05:08
33 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:00:53
In my view there will thousands if not tens of thousands who will not go to Kirkby (me included) but I can guarantee you one thing - not one of them will, as you put it, pin their colours to the red-shite.
To suggest that shows how out of touch you are with your fellow supporters - it is because of our love for Everton and the need/desire for us to remain in the city of Liverpool and not be belittled by a modest stadium away from our birth place and heritage with 20-25,000 crowds (eventually) in a half-empty 55,000 seater stadium with nothing but a milk-shake in Burger King before or after the match whilst waiting three hours to get out of Kirkby because there are vurtually no buses and a train every 20 mins.
It will kill this club we all love - stone cold dead and it will break my heart
34 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:17:03
That video is the pits, it certainly does no favours for us at all, the thought of red-nosed scum watching that & having a right old laugh makes me Icringe....and couldnt defend it.
It looks like a cross between a bad corporate training video & 1980s granada reports...utter crap.
35 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:11:27
I love Everton as I suppose most if not all people that visit this site do, but with our current stadium and lack of finances I cannot see us progressing any further up the league than we are at the minute.David Moyes is a quality manager and has really put us back on the map as a team to be reckoned with, but he is not God, he cannot keep providing miracles. Lets all stand as one and move this GREAT club forward. Bring on Kirby!!!!!
36 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:52:07
This is not an anti or pro posting its an explanation for the financial problems that are being deliberately allowed to leak out - and it is being sanctioned !!!!
37 Posted 24/06/2008 at 21:58:45
38 Posted 24/06/2008 at 22:09:48
Oh I see, you think that 50 thousand people will turn up every other week and the corperate money will flood in to give DM his EXTRA £10 mill to spend every year.
By the way if you don?t get what the problem is by moving 4 miles away out of the city then in my opinion you know nothing of my Everton.
39 Posted 24/06/2008 at 22:29:06
40 Posted 24/06/2008 at 23:30:35
I was the first to suggest a shared stadium and was howled down from all sides. It is probably too late for that to happen but in light of the Kirkby option I wonder how many would now jump at the shared idea.
Kirkby is currently touted as our only deliverable hope but what if it falls over?
A Goodison rebuild would take 3 to 4 years and during that period cut our crowd income by at least a quarter. Is that affordable while at the same time bringing in new players?
The sale of Goodison plus naming rights are currently targeted for Kirkby and would not be available for a re build.
While debate rumbles on it brings ever closer to when there are spectator injuries caused by the state of the place.
If that unfortunate event was to occur I suppose we could always blame BK.
What myself and no doubt thousands of others have been desperately wanting to know is, are there any deliverable/affordable alternatives to Kirkby?
What hard cash offers of assistance have been made? I don?t mean those pie in the sky wink wink nudge nudge offers from Bestway, Sainsbury?s and Liverpool CC?
Any chance that responses do not come with the usual foul language and schoolyard name calling?
41 Posted 25/06/2008 at 00:50:25
"The sale of Goodison plus naming rights are currently targeted for Kirkby and would not be available for a re build" - Goodison is mortgaged to the hilt so would provide no substantial figure and the naming rights claimed by KW would have to be greater than those that Arsenal got, yes that’s Arsenal a regular CL team that live in London not an also ran that are looking to live in a town with a smaller population than it’s new stadium.
"While debate rumbles on it brings ever closer to when there are spectator injuries caused by the state of the place" since when has there been a substantiated issue of health and safety at Goodison Park? I even posted the reply from the Heatlh and Safety Executive to quash the KW rumour that Goodison Park was soon to be no longer capable of getting certification, it was a lie.
All without name calling.
42 Posted 25/06/2008 at 03:52:01
However I am still in the dark about what affordable/deliverable alternatives are available.
Have you anything that is more believable than Kirkby.
The Health and Safety executive gives the OK for now but is there any guarantee it will do so beyond the near future. I have found that when it suits authority the goal posts are suddenly shifted.
43 Posted 25/06/2008 at 06:15:39
Last time I was in England, I saw the away game at Bolton, what a God forsaken place.
We have to have another plan, or we’re finished if we go there. I grew up in Liverpool, Kirby might as well have been on the moon then, it’s no better now. I don’t give a fuck if they’ve got scouse accents, Kirby is not in Liverpool and never will be.
And Everton is in Liverpool and always has been and always should be.
44 Posted 25/06/2008 at 06:30:12
Then all of you proper "Alright wack, I was born in the shadow of the Liver Building" scousers can throw yourselves off the Pier Head and let the rest of us get on with supporting the blues "Everton, Everton... We're the pride of MERSEYSIDE"
45 Posted 25/06/2008 at 05:57:17
46 Posted 25/06/2008 at 07:59:55
47 Posted 25/06/2008 at 09:56:12
"Kirkby is better for Everton Fc"
I don’t believe this for a second, but I have to admit, Vishal puts a VERY strong case.
By the way, those of you familiar with speed-dating, might be interested to know that Vishal is a leading light in the world of speed-debating.
(shakes head, rolls eyes back further than a pair of eyes have ever been rolled back)
48 Posted 25/06/2008 at 11:10:21
A lot of our future revenue plans depends on this, and if it fails people will walk away from the club. If the new stadium gets called in then DM will have a much smaller budget (£15M+). Hence the contradiction in figures being banded about.
People at the club are alowing the doom and gloom to spead as it strengthens their case that if the new stadium fails then it will be disaster for EFC. Not to mention someone else to blame.
It is a close run thing as to whether or not it wil be called in, but at the moment it is looking like it won't, as nobody wants to be held up as the ones who put the kiabosh on the move and EFC.
The other thing is that with LFC building Yank Towers any decision to call in EFC?s plan would look very biased.
We should know one way or another by Monday or at the latest Monday week as that's when we should get the nod one way or another.
49 Posted 25/06/2008 at 12:23:16
*Arsenal - moved a distance less than Stanley Park.
*Man City - just check the name of the Stadium
*Sunderland - who gives a fuck, where did they finish again?
50 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:16:51
Re: the original question, I have no idea, but usual smoke and mirrors and rubbish spin from the worst PR?d team in the league. Aside from vitriol at Wyness, Ian Ross is a proper clown too. He?s in charge of communications at a time when much underlying malcontent is simply rumbling on. But ?hey, we finished fifth and guaranteed european football for next year.? = £300k
51 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:39:17
I’ll never forget leaving there last season after a 1 nil defeat - you couldn’t move on the outskirts, it was an absolute nightmare, pissing with rain and we were pissed right off - managed to bung someone a tenner in the traffic jam for a lift into town as the only way out of Readings weekly hell they call homes games.
52 Posted 25/06/2008 at 13:35:54
when was the last time you heard a scouser call anyone "Wack" ?
Although all are welcome, we dont enjoy vast nationwide support, EFC’s support is predominantly scouse, if thats a problem your supporting the wrong club mate
53 Posted 25/06/2008 at 18:01:14
54 Posted 25/06/2008 at 19:48:14