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Pre-season training
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It's six weeks to the start of the new season. I think our pre-season training schedule is due to start at the end of the week coming. I would presume most clubs will be starting theirs in and around the same time. I would think that most clubs will want to use this week in between to get a lot of their transfers sorted, at least by general agreement, if not set in stone. This would tie in with the fact that most managers players and agents are back off their holidays by now.
Moyes's idea of bedding new players in early last summer seemed to work a treat and if he is keen to build on last season's success then I would presume he would want a disruption-free pre-season again. I would expect him over the next six or seven days to be working flat out to sign the players he wants.
If by the end of the week and the start of pre-season, a lot of transfers have gone through, and we have not signed anyone I would then start to worry. Most of the decent players could well then be unobtainable. Until then I will be monitoring things very closely.
Kieran Fitzgerald, Posted 01/07/2007 at 16:55:48
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Michael
Well, monitor this closely: pre-season training starts on Monday ? not next Monday... but TOMORROW!!! Is Moyes gonna do all his work tonight? So we will have our six players signed and sealed by 9 o'clock? I don't think so...
Tony Marsh
1 Posted 01/07/2007 at 22:27:30
1 Posted 01/07/2007 at 22:27:30
Kieron, I was worried 4 weeks ago and things haven't changed one bit since then. I would love us to sign Nuggent, the lad is class, but I think we are fucking him around too much. We are hoping he tells Preston he won't go anywhere else and we capture him on the cheap.
Take a look at the Sunderland fans website A Love Supreme according to them its between the Mackems and Pompey who sign him. We don't get a mention. Nial Quinns words apparently.
I just don't see us doing much at all and once again we will let a young up-and-coming striker slip through our grasp.
Bent, Ashton, Nuggent ? all could have been signed by Moyes for under £3 million a piece. Dont hold your breath Dave will do the right thing anytime soon...
Take a look at the Sunderland fans website A Love Supreme according to them its between the Mackems and Pompey who sign him. We don't get a mention. Nial Quinns words apparently.
I just don't see us doing much at all and once again we will let a young up-and-coming striker slip through our grasp.
Bent, Ashton, Nuggent ? all could have been signed by Moyes for under £3 million a piece. Dont hold your breath Dave will do the right thing anytime soon...
John Holmes
2 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:30:30
2 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:30:30
Assuming you?re right, Tony, that Moyes could have had all these players on the cheap (and let?s be fair, those are just rumours) why is it that Moyes gets it in the neck for such poor judgement? Presumably every manager in the Premier League is therefore shit because none of them were bought on the cheap by Premier League managers.
John Holmes
3 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:32:36
3 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:32:36
Apologies, obviously Bent is the exception there but I severely doubt that any club was intimidated out of signing him by Charlton?s financial muscle.
Art Greeth
4 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:45:28
4 Posted 01/07/2007 at 23:45:28
Carlsberg don?t make pessimism and cynicism, but if they did, they would probably make the best pessimism and cynicism in the world... and label it...
Tony Marsh.
Tony Marsh.
Tony Marsh
5 Posted 02/07/2007 at 00:27:37
5 Posted 02/07/2007 at 00:27:37
John Holmes .Charlton signed Darren Bent for £2.7 million from Ipswich when our very own Big Joe Royal was there manager.We were offered the player 6 months previous to that provided that Ipswich didnt get promoted. Moyes decide James Beattie was a safer option
Are you that daft to think I would make this up. You call it rumours when it is fact.
Ashton was on Evertons hit list for years untill Moyes arrived and we almost signed him when he was 17.
Moyes the genius didnt want to know about either of them and if I am right Royal had already told Bent he would be a Goodison hero
once he signed for the Blues. Its common knowledge. .
So John we never offered Charlton money for BENT by then he was already lost to us.
As for Art Greeth. once you get of your high horse and realise what this football game actually means to the common man you will stop your stupid platitudes and wake up to the fact that working class supporters like me know a little bit more than you give us credit for.
As far as Everton FC is concerned mate you are not on the same planet as me .
If Carlsberg made Evertonians they would be nowt like you Art.
Are you that daft to think I would make this up. You call it rumours when it is fact.
Ashton was on Evertons hit list for years untill Moyes arrived and we almost signed him when he was 17.
Moyes the genius didnt want to know about either of them and if I am right Royal had already told Bent he would be a Goodison hero
once he signed for the Blues. Its common knowledge. .
So John we never offered Charlton money for BENT by then he was already lost to us.
As for Art Greeth. once you get of your high horse and realise what this football game actually means to the common man you will stop your stupid platitudes and wake up to the fact that working class supporters like me know a little bit more than you give us credit for.
As far as Everton FC is concerned mate you are not on the same planet as me .
If Carlsberg made Evertonians they would be nowt like you Art.
Bluey
6 Posted 02/07/2007 at 04:44:52
6 Posted 02/07/2007 at 04:44:52
Quinn’s never going to come out and say theres’s a greater chance of Nugent going elsewhere, partly because he won’t know what Nugent’s decision is yet. Secondly his club, just like all the others are trying to flog as many season tickets as possible and Sunderland especially are trying to convince their fans they won’t be going straight back down to the Championship.
Could it not be like the Bent deal were Charlton eventually accepted less money because the player did not want to go to the club who had made the highest bid. Preston accepted a bid for Nugent more than 3 weeks before the Sunderland bid was lodged according to Paul Simpson, so is there just a small chance that this bid was indeed Everton’s and eventually it won’t matter about Sunderlands bid as the player has to want to join the club.
Reading between the lines, if it was about money, Nugent would have already signed for another club as even Sunderland would offer higher wages than us, so its an interesting thought as to what the outcome will be.
Could it not be like the Bent deal were Charlton eventually accepted less money because the player did not want to go to the club who had made the highest bid. Preston accepted a bid for Nugent more than 3 weeks before the Sunderland bid was lodged according to Paul Simpson, so is there just a small chance that this bid was indeed Everton’s and eventually it won’t matter about Sunderlands bid as the player has to want to join the club.
Reading between the lines, if it was about money, Nugent would have already signed for another club as even Sunderland would offer higher wages than us, so its an interesting thought as to what the outcome will be.
Art Greeth
7 Posted 02/07/2007 at 06:44:16
7 Posted 02/07/2007 at 06:44:16
You know what I like most about the new ToffeeWeb format Tony...? The fact that it is more ’live’, that there is no longer the heavy-handed intervention of a censor cherry-picking contributions and that views such as yours are more directly and regularly challenged and exposed than they were previously. And you have been regular exposed recently, haven’t you Tony...?
Carry on posting in your own inimitable style, Tony... it is very, very entertaining (perhaps not for the reasons you presume), but don’t for one nano-second have the vanity to believe that you alone definitively represent the views of Evertonians everywhere.
As for advising me to get off my high horse... delicious irony from the man who consistently berates fellow Evertonians on here for not conforming to your view on all things blue.
And I have no intention of getting into a dick-measuring contest with you as to who or what represents a true Evertonian... I’ll happily concede that you are the biggest dick here.
Carry on posting in your own inimitable style, Tony... it is very, very entertaining (perhaps not for the reasons you presume), but don’t for one nano-second have the vanity to believe that you alone definitively represent the views of Evertonians everywhere.
As for advising me to get off my high horse... delicious irony from the man who consistently berates fellow Evertonians on here for not conforming to your view on all things blue.
And I have no intention of getting into a dick-measuring contest with you as to who or what represents a true Evertonian... I’ll happily concede that you are the biggest dick here.
kieran fitzgerald
8 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:02:35
8 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:02:35
Obviously not at my brightest yesterday,wasn’t even hungover. My apologies to all. So with pre-season starting today, and no players looking near being signed them I am worried. Okay, it’s a quiet enough transfer window so far but it’s been weeks since we were linked with Jagielka and even he’s not confirmed yet. Tony, right now mate I’m with you.
patty blue
9 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:12:10
9 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:12:10
Tony Marsh - Your wife must have a terrific time living with you - you are the ultimate pessimist whinger I have ever had the misfortune to read on this site. I would have thought that when we did so well last season that you would have lightened up a little. By the way - did you eat that hat? I swear to God if we won the Premiership, the FA Cup and the UEFA Cup all in one season [ okay I know that’s not going to happen!! ] but you would still find something to whinge about. How I wish you were a Liverpool supporter.
terry
10 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:52:52
10 Posted 02/07/2007 at 09:52:52
once again i find myself agreeing with everything tony marsh says even though it pains me to say but i thinkhes actually spot on about moyes
why on earth we didnt take ashton i,ll never know ? as for bent does anyone really think royal would have sold everton a dud ? i think not so when all cards are dealt it is really moyes,s fault
why on earth we didnt take ashton i,ll never know ? as for bent does anyone really think royal would have sold everton a dud ? i think not so when all cards are dealt it is really moyes,s fault
Jon
11 Posted 02/07/2007 at 10:48:17
11 Posted 02/07/2007 at 10:48:17
For every missed signing - Bent, Ashton, Nugent (maybe) there is a Cahill, Arteta or Lescott who were absolute steals for the money paid.
John Holmes
12 Posted 02/07/2007 at 13:22:22
12 Posted 02/07/2007 at 13:22:22
Sorry Tony but my point still stands. If Moyes is such a terrible manager then why didn’t other clubs pick up on Bent and Ashton and take advantage of his incompetence. I don’t believe that Everton were the only ones with Ashton on their radar yet none of the big boys got him on the cheap. Similarly with Bent, we may have been offered him (and no I don’t believe you’d make it up but I do believe you’d massage the facts to fit your viewpoint) but I don’t believe that if Royle was so keen to offload him (why would he do that if Bent was clearly worth so much more?) then why weren’t other big teams bidding a few pounds more and getting in there for such an obviously talented player.
Is it not more possible that they were seen as big gambles and their current ability wasn’t apparent at the time? Thus Everton chose not to sign them for those reasons, the same reasons they chose to gamble instead on the potential of a Cahill, a Yobo, an Arteta. If Moyes could accurately predict every players future ability he wouldn’t be managing Everton he’d be raking it in from the bookies each week
Is it not more possible that they were seen as big gambles and their current ability wasn’t apparent at the time? Thus Everton chose not to sign them for those reasons, the same reasons they chose to gamble instead on the potential of a Cahill, a Yobo, an Arteta. If Moyes could accurately predict every players future ability he wouldn’t be managing Everton he’d be raking it in from the bookies each week
Bluenose
13 Posted 02/07/2007 at 13:51:47
13 Posted 02/07/2007 at 13:51:47
John Holmes, didn’t you used to make porn films?
Franny Porter
14 Posted 02/07/2007 at 18:48:26
14 Posted 02/07/2007 at 18:48:26
In the last two hours, Ive just found out I have been promoted, found out that my holiday has been booked and confirmed and then won £50 on a scratchcard. I was on such a high, I needed to be brought back down to earth.
Cheers Tony
Cheers Tony
Bluey
15 Posted 02/07/2007 at 18:54:08
15 Posted 02/07/2007 at 18:54:08
Thanks Art - thats the funniest post I’ve read in a while-all the best.
Gavin Ramejkis
16 Posted 02/07/2007 at 20:06:52
16 Posted 02/07/2007 at 20:06:52
Franny you got Saturday’s number ya jammy b*stard?
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