As long as we accept such a cowardly manager, we will never go forward. Arteta & Fellaini were terrible today and both should have been substituted but Moyes doesn't have the bottle or tactical acumen to do this.

Moyes can fuck off now I?ve always supported him before this summer's joke and now I am watching awful game after awful game, knowing the manager won't do anything about it.

Thank heaven for tim howard, he and Jags played well. The whole team needs a kick up the back side but it doesnt seem that Moyes is that man. I have always been a supporter but iI really don't know about him anymore.

Anybody know when Shandy?s back, how about giving him a game, pace and width with him and Peanuts on the wing, freeing up Arteta for the middle.
We may be 7th but 2 defeats and back down there.

Lescott is NOT a left back, Jesus even Stevie Wonder can see it........... He?s poor defensively in that position and poor going forward and his crossing is like something you would see at an under-14 game.

Yak and Saha are trying but they are getting absolutely no decent supply from midfield. It is unfair to blame them.

Player ratings:
Howard 8 - Some great saves
Neville 6 - Solid but too much hoofball
Yobo 6 - Solid but too much hoofball
Jags 8 - Read the game very well and made some vital interceptions (bit too much hoofball though)
Arteta 4 - Awful, offered absolutely nothing
Osman 4 - anonymous, would look lightweight on the ladies team
Fellaini 5 - has a good touch but everything seems to be in slow motion. Must be wishing he stayed in Liege.
Cahill 5 - Tried hard, missed a sitter but just isn?t suited to a 4 man midfield.
Yak 5 - No service, looking forward to playing for Spurs in Jan I reckon
Saha 6 - Lovely footballer, looked sharp today but again living on scraps.

Why Castillo and Vaughan cannot get picked is down to poor management. Yaks and Saha cannot get past players and the midfielders cannot score goals anymore. Sure they will win some more games but the writing is on the wall for the remainder of the season, which generally will be uninspiring ? especially as they cannot win at home.

In my 40 years, I truly cannot remember feeling so empty about Everton Football Club. I verge on just not caring and that saddens me beyond words. Just not arsed any more.

I confess to cynically jeering at our ridiculously pathetic attacks. Perish the thought but in an odd kind of way and for the first time ever, I found myself hoping that Wigan would teach Moyes and his naive crew a never to be forgotten lesson by hammering even more goals past us.

I?ve lost all faith in Moyes as he seems quite happy with the way we are playing, 4 Central midfielders because he won't drop 1 of them, 2 of them awful tonight but play the full 90 mins. Good managers change games; Moyes doesn't. Liverpool recently beat Wigan 3-2 at home, in the last ten mins they took off both full backs and brought on 2 attackers, trying to win the game, which they did; we put on a left back. Sometimes you do get what you deserve in football and we got it tonight as Moyes handed it to them on a plate.

Cahill, Osman, Arteta, Lescott, Yakubu were so crap tonight. Still the "manager" wouldn?t change anything, he only took off Saha because he was injured. So pathetic!

Even the worst teams with inferior players try to play and they can manage some kind of fight when going behind but we never do it. One more evening not worth remembering but hey: that?s what it?s all about when you?re an Everton fan.

I live around 280 miles away from Goodison and I don't get to Goodison has much as I would like so watching on tv some times is my only way. However the last 2 games, Boro at home and now the Wigan game tonight have left staggered with Moyes.

The team has no width, they play long ball nearly all the time, hoping to pick up scrapes which physical teams like Wigan will just head clear and win back the ball. Why does Moyes continue to play Lescott at left back after spending loads of money on Baines, a natural left footer. Castillo or Neville should be playing to protect the back four because there is no protection with the current midfield.

Some of Moyes?s subs decisions are amazing, goal down, should be chasing to score a goal or at least have a shot/chance he takes Neville off for Baines, why? If it was to provide width then why take Neville off and change the back four completely. Im surprised with our current league placing, we don't deserve to be where we are. If we carry on like this I really do worry where we will finish the season. Is it time Mr Moyes to walk?

Other than him, only Howard and possibly Jagielka looked like they had desire... the rest were going through the motions. A game plan with no width at all was doomed and it is hard to fathom how Baines did not get on earlier. Arteta tonight was frankly awful... as a big fan of his, it pains me to say that.

I?m afraid Moyes hasn?t got a clue, if he couldn't see at half time the way the game was going, well he should pack in. I am sitting there thinking surely he'll change this now... but deep down you just know he'll wait 'til it's too late.

Lescott's got to be rested, his season just gets worse and worse... let's have Valente back with Baines ahead of him so we can at least get behind teams and get some balls into the box. Arteta should accompany Lescott in the dugout. I'd rather give some of the kids a chance than put up with that shite week-in, week-out.

Five more years of this shite? Attendances are dropping and after that they will drop again, we play some of the worst football in the Prem?, slightly better than Stoke and West Brom but that's about it. Moyes, you are fuckin? clueless, that was as bad or worse than anything we were served up under Smith.

Instead of his usual fatuous excuse-ridden referee blaming after-match report, we would really appreciate a genuine critical analysis from Moyes and what he will do to correct things. My support for him is beginning to waver and should Arteta be allowed another corner or free kick that will signify my total dissolutionment in his judgement.

This was surely the very depths of how low we can go in terms of quality. The team has no balance or redeeming qualities, there is nothing there. Pathetic. I could go on but I might start getting negative!

By the time they get control of the ball and realise that they are not playing where they want to or the ball is on their wrong foot the momentum is lost. Couple this with the fact that no one moves, then we are easy to play against. Time to bite the bullet and admit you are to blame for this so called FOOTball Moyes. Why not give Howard a go up front? makes as much sense as your team selections of late.

And this manager has just been given the most lucrative contract in the history of the club! God help us, we are going backwards at an alarming rate.

I honestly thought we?d turned the corner after the second half of the United game, I thought we?d take that second half performance in to our next lot of games but it's failed to materialise!! Where was the commitment and desire and the willingness to play football the right way and to work hard?!Ffor basically the whole 90-plus minutes tonight, we gave Wigan all the time and space in the world to do what they like with the ball; not one of our players, especially our midfield, showed a willingness or desire to squeeze the ball and put the Wigan players under pressure, it was fucking shocking!!

I said it the other week on here and I'll say it again, one or two of our players, nar fuck it, a lot of ?em need dropping because they haven?t been performing at all. Arteta, Lescott, Yakubu, Cahill and Neville & Fellaini to an extent have all been shite, ok, Neville and Fellaini haven?t been as bad as the others but they have been shit!!

I feel sorry for Fellaini, ok his performance tonight was shocking but I think he plays better without Cahill in the side. When Cahill was out suspended, Fellaini looked like he was starting to pick up alongside Osman, he was scoring goals, his general performances was getting better... but then Moyesy brings Cahill straight back in and the balance of the team was all over place!!

Cahill and Fellaini cannot play together and the sooner Moyes recognises this the better, not one one of ?em is willing to sit back and protect the back four and thats why in recent games we?ve been getting caught out at left back when Lescott goes forward because no one as been there sitting and protecting the back four and filling in positions when players like to bomb forward as Lescott does, you notice tonight Neville hardly ever got beyond are right sided midfielder purely because there was no one sitting back ready to cover him!!

I tell ya what, I used to knock Lee Carsley something rotten when he was at the club, not for is defensive work but mainly his general footballing ability, but he was a good player for us. I didn?t realise how good a player he was for us until he?d gone! I didn?t think we?d miss him but we fucking do!!

If things dont start to improve at Everton, then I really fear for us this season, that performance tonight wasn?t even Championship standard and, with the league as tight as it is points wise, then a couple or so more defeats for us and we're right in the relegation mix!!!

Why do we not pass the ball? How awful is Fellaini? Wouldn't Castillo be worth a go? Or one of the kids? And what does Baines have to do to get a game when Lescott is so poor at left back ? sell him to Villa which he wants anyway and spend the money on a midfielder who can run and move forward aggressively.

We were powder puffs tonight, beaten to everything everywhere... Only Jags, Howard and Osman can even say they competed... Spurs, Chelsea and Man City next three games, bottom five by Christmas. Disgusting.

The worst day for many a year was when Moyes realised no-one else wanted him and signed that nightmare contract! The fact that so many Blues have supported his clueless shite football for so long and that so many still say ?he?s the best we can get? makes me wonder if we really deserve any better. It's your fault for not seeing the Emperor's stark bollock naked and always has been!