ToffeeWeb - Season 2008-09

Jim Slade
1 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:36:45

Fuck off John Terry .
He deserved it .High and late tackle on Osman .

Lee Smith
2 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:38:04

Terry just been sent off! Now we will see how big Moyes’ balls our. COYB!

Gavin Harris
3 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:42:00

http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html

Password is 5000

Gavin Harris
4 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:43:22

Great chance to win here but can’t see it. Chelsea at goodison have always had a bit of luck and love to play there.

Jim Slade
5 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:42:09

Pienaar has been more of threat to our back 4 than Deco so far. He has the first touch of Freddie Kruger tonite.
Or back 4 looking solid and even Yobo spraying passes around. COYB

Gavin Harris
6 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:45:36

Why do we use arteta for set pieces?

Jeremy Benson
7 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:47:04

I’d take a draw tonight anyway - would be a good result against however many men chelsea put out...

Nick Veitch
8 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:51:16

http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/407932

Andrew Magner
9 Posted 22/12/2008 at 17:04:02

Any live feeds?

Robert Jones
10 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:52:47

Chelsea have deserved all their cards so far, Terry in prticular, the freekick that got Lmpard his card shouldn’t have counted IMO but he was mouthing at the ref so.,... I still don’t get why we always play Hibbo at right back in the big games though.

Gavin Harris
11 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:55:13

At least have castello on the beach so we can take him off if he plays his normal game.

Tom Winek
12 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:54:52

http://footballlivechannels.blogspot.com/ - Terry’s such a cock! Still don’t fancy our chances of getting a goal even against 10 men.

Jimmy Crack
13 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:00:41

http://freesportstreams.tk/

For second half, excellent quality

Jimmy Crack
14 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:01:34

Soooooooooooo sick of Arteta taking the free kicks

KG
15 Posted 22/12/2008 at 20:52:06

Links to streaming - I’m in Spain and justin.tv -EA_sports have given all of the first half from an Italian source. In the UK I’ve had good results from the iraqgoals mentioned above.

First half? Started well - faded - came back. Pienaar must have better second half. Fellaini looks as good a player as there is out there - in some very expensive company.

Every bone in my body crossed.

Andy Morden
16 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:08:20

Man, the setanta fools annoy me. It was a terrible tackle, Osman didn’t dive and Terry is not an angel you fuckwits.

Gavin Harris
17 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:08:48

We need to keep them quiet and hope for a bit of luck.

Jason Broome
18 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:07:35

We won’t get a better chance to beat them than now. I hope Moyes realises this and goes for it!

Matthew K. Salem
19 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:13:58

Header Screech.

Ajay Timothy
20 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:15:34

If we dont get too intimidated by Drogba and company we could possibly nick this.

Gavin Harris
21 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:16:23

We have two players who cannot compete at this level, i.e. against top four and these are Hibbort and Osman.

I think if Moyes goes for it and we lose the fans will be less forgiving than sitting back and hoping for a 1.0.

Ajay Timothy
22 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:20:31

From the Everton website commentary, it doesn't look like Arteta or Pienaar are playing too well.

Matthew K. Salem
23 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:24:45

Yobo is out injured, Baines in. Fuck.
Come on, Leighton!

Simon Hopper
24 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:24:03

INJURY CRISIS GETTING WORSE!Castillo was a doubt for the match apparently due to injury (Liverpool Echo). Jags was also a doubt but seems okay so far. Yobo?s now hobbled off. We have no strikers anyway and Osman is playing with an injury. Despite all that, VDM can?t get a game! He must truly be the shittest player... but I hope he comes off the bench to score the winner. We should be going for this against ten men ? did we learn nothing from last year?s Carling Cup match?

Nick Veitch
25 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:26:37

damn Arteta’s corners are useless.

Gavin Harris
26 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:27:53

Fair play to everyone we are going for it.

Fans are well up for it too. :-)

Arteta, Pienaar, Osman and Hibbert playing pretty shit. Everyone else playing great.

Simon Hopper
27 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:39:26

Damn Petr Cech! That’s two great saves in quick succession. Keep pushing them back Blues!

Simon Hopper
28 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:40:25

Getting closer and closer - inventive effort from Screech!

Simon Hopper
29 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:43:38

I think wwe need to stretch the game wider by getting VDM on for Hibbert and pushing Pip to right back. We have the aerial power to hurt them late on as they are clearly getting tired with only 10 men. Just hope something drops to Cahill...

Jim Slade
30 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:53:43

Would have taken it at start of play.
We should have won it. Without any strikers we didn't have the firepower up front. We played nicer football than them! Doesnt look good for Yobo though.

Keith Glazzard
31 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:37:00

I suppose a draw would have been a decent result if we hadn’t scored one - possibly an own goal.

We were robbed.

Robert Jones
32 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:58:00

Happy with a draw but we deserved a win, Cech showed why he’s considered the best in the world though tbf.

Lee Smith
33 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:57:19

Really dont know what to think about that result. Would have taken a point at the start, but against 10 men, and with Moyes, AGAIN, not making ANY attack minded sub OR formation change, I'm a bit gutted really. I suppose Moyes has no balls and never will.

Ralph Wetzels
34 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:00:25

It was a good performance. Everyone was 100% concentrated throughout the 90 mins. In my opinion Moyes should have brought Van der Meyde with 20 mins to go for the ineffective Osman. But I take a point. Again, well done boys!!!

Robert Jones
35 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:00:46

Baines on for Yobo made it more attacking... I know he was forced into it but still an attacking substitution IMO.

Keith Glazzard
36 Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:58:00

And Leighton Baines looked the very good footballer he is out there tonight. Even Cap’n Pip put in a good shift in midfield. Something happening? Possibly.

Garry Corgan
37 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:03:26

I can’t agree with some of the comments on here. For me, that was our best performance of the season by far. For large parts of the game we completely outplayed, outpassed and outmoved a team which was in the Champions League Final last May.

I believe Pienaar’s goal was correctly disallowed but we did have several other chances which no keeper other than Cech would have kept out.

No strikers or not; Chelsea with 10 men - irrelevant. Still an excellent performance, especially given Chelsea’s away form coming into the game.

Lee Smith
38 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:05:17

Exactly Robert, he was forced into it. Moyes never makes a sub before the 75th if he doesn't have to! If a player like AVDM, Jutkiewicz or Kissock can?t get a game when we are at home, against 10 men, with a great chance to get a win if the right changes are made, then when the hell will they?

Chandler Bricklemyer
39 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:04:01

What was the official ruling on Piennar?s apparent goal?

Garry Corgan
40 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:11:22

Chandler Bricklemyer - The linesman’s flag was held in the position indicating offside.

Robert Jones
41 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:12:12

Chandler - offside

Tom Campbell
42 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:13:11

good point

Mike Oates
43 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:08:21

Just watched on TV and thought we played well with ball on deck.

This mightn?t go down well but I?ve had enough of Anichebe?s and to a lesser extent Vaughan?s continual absence. Anichebe has let us down time and time again with his fitness, and not just us but Nigeria by the looks of it. He hasn?t got the heart nor the drive to get out there and give it a go.

Vaughan has got heart and commitment but lacks a brain to take care of himself and it's about time Moyes gets rid of both.

One last point ? it may be me but our injuries seem to always take far longer to heal then other clubs. Saha "will be ok for City game", Saha and Anichebe will be ok for Chelsea game" ? can Basil Rathbone please get his finger out and earn his money!

Larry Bird
44 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:11:38

Gary - We played well up against 10 men but while it was 11 V 11 we looked like small boys.
Good point though. COYB

Chandler Bricklemyer
45 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:15:07

Thanks guys. I had to watch on mute at work and missed any explanation.
Hard to be happy with a draw, considering. But glad to see Terry’s penchant for clumsy challenges finally addressed.

Al Reddish
46 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:18:46

A good result in which we deserved to win, against a very talented team, and still people moan!!!!!!! Enjoy the moment and have a very Merry Xmas.

Kev Sparke
47 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:16:34

Cech’s continued brilliance throughout the game stopped us from gaining three points.

Positives:

We look like a team... not a collection of players.

We have a semblance of a half decent midfield and have discovered defensive frugality.

We have rediscovered the art of possession through accurate passing - sometimes.

Negatives.

Cahill isn’t a striker... he just isn’t

Injuries

We needed a little bit of luck... but we’re Everton... we don’t get luck.

Tom Campbell
48 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:17:48

Howard-7-did well when needed
Hibbert-7-Got better as the game went on
Jags-8-So consistant
Yobo-8-Excellent, when you dont notice him it means he plays well
Lescott-8-Another sold game and coped with Drogba well in the 2nd half
Osman-7- Worked hard and had his defensive duties to do
Fellaini-5-Wasnt his best game and not to effective
Neville-7-Solid and showed composure and experience
Arteta-9- Controlled the game and my m.o.m
Peinaar-7- Again worked very hard and unlucky not to be a hero
Cahill-7-Not a striker but he always is a threat and id never dooubt him not to give 100%
SUBS
Baines-6- Looked sharp and passed it well

Brendan George
49 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:16:34

Leighton Baines did improve our attacking ability from left-back & I was very impressed with him. With Yobo set to be out for a few weeks because of his hamstring, I?d like to see Bainsey be given a chance and hopefully he?ll strutt his stuff!

Terry Hayes
50 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:18:16

Totally agree with Garry Corgan. I thought we were excellent tonight, a few stray passes from Pienaar and shite set pieces from Arteta, but on the whole the commitment from the team was terrific. Well played, lads, more of the same, just need a striker now.

Jim Slade
51 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:28:54

Great comment, Tom, when you don't notice Yobo, it means he plays well. Bosingwa has been unstoppable this season ghosting past everybody except when he came up against the mighty Jagielka. What a player. He is definitely the player of the season so far and if he doesn't get an England run soon it's a joke. He's as good as that overhyped bottler Terry. Baines will get his chance now on the left. Neville... I am sorry lads but he would be my first name down on the sheet. Great captain.

Robert Jones
52 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:33:43

Tom Campbell ? a bit harsh on Marou IMO...

Brian Richardson
53 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:42:10

Lee Smith obviously knows more about David Moyes’ players than David Moyes himself. I assume that’s the case anyway, as he seems to have it on good authority that Jutkiewicz and Kissock would’ve changed the game today.

News flash, Lee Smith: Jutkiewicz or Kissock do not even light up the reserves. Why do you think they would suddenly make a difference against one of the best teams in the world?

Just because they’re strikers that doesn’t mean they’re Premiership strikers. Moyes sees them every day - how many times have you seen them?

Robert Jones
54 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:47:21

Thank you Brian, you have sense.

Jimmy Rimmer
55 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:41:38

We should still be happy to take a point from such a good team... I think Moyes did right not to go too attacking after the sending off coz they still have the players on the pitch to rip us apart. To contain them to 2 shots on target shows an immense defensive display! Lets face it - without a striker to speak of, it’s hard to play truely attacking football.

We could / should still have won it, and I don’t know why, but I’m starting to love Screech. The rating from Tom above is unfair... If his cheeky back-heel had gone in and not just past the post, he would have become an instant legend! Merry Christmas everyone, and lets go win the FA Cup!

David Moore
56 Posted 22/12/2008 at 22:54:55

After having watched the match at the pub i was impressed and felt we lost 2 points rather than having gained one. Having 8 shots on target against Chelsea is very promising but would have looked for at least one goal. Cech proved his value.Here are my ratings.

Howard-7.5 - very good save early on and then controlled the box for the rest of the match.
Hibbert -7- in the first half was getting turned a lot by Cole but in the second performed solidly and even gave a decent cross or two
Yobo -8-controlled Anelka and Drogba until substituted. Hopefully his hammy isn?t that bad. He was immense in the air.
Jagielka -8- like Yobo controlled the middle of defence
Lescott -8-attacked well down the flanks and was solid in defence. One of his better performances of the year.
Neville-8.5- i thought he was immense. controlled the midfield and Frank Lampard was in his pocket. alot of good tackles and passing
Arteta -7.5- he played very defensively with Neville and did well controlling the tempo, but his set pieces weren?t up to scratch.
Osman -7- Hard working but not that effective
Pienaar-6.5-Thought he had an off day on the ball, did his defensive duties well though. Thought Moyes could?ve subbed him with Shandy.
Fellani-8-constant aerial menace, became very tired but always was in your face. Had chances which on another day may have gone in.
Cahill -7- worked his but off but against a very good central defence found conditions trying and was assaulted by Alex a couple of times.

Sub

Baines -6- whatt he did he did well. Nice cross for fellani?s flick

Tom Campbell
57 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:17:41

Maybe I was harsh but it was my instant opinion, He looked tired but the effort as there and I cant ask for more. 3points on Stevens/Boxing day lads. COYB

Lee Smith
58 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:25:36

To Brian Richardson and Robert Jones - In that case, if neither of them are good enough, then why are they at the club sitting on the bench, when they could be out on loan, getting regular first team football in the Championship / League One, therefore building up their ability / confidence, to an extent to which they would be benefitial to the first team, rather than just making up the numbers?

Tom Campbell
59 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:31:57

Lee Smith

Because our squad is way too small

EJ Smythe
60 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:34:30

Strange. Thought pip can’t play in the middle. If I can recall, last season, we were screaming at moyes to put him in right back.

Guess we can finally put at end to our carsley search.

Lee Smith
61 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:33:43

Tom, I agree that our squad is small, but you are using some strange logic in a sense. It’s like saying "Our squad is too small, therefore we can’t send our most promising youngsters out on loan to gain much needed first team competitive football, because if we become short of numbers in their positions, we will need then to sit on our bench just so we can not use them at all while we use defenders or midfileders instead". If that’s the case, when are these lads going to get the chance to develop?

Also then, wouldn’t Moyes have been better off spending what money he did have more astutley (sp?!) during the summer. Buying a centre forward with an awful history of injuries in Saha, to accompany our already injury prone ’back-up’ strikers of Vaughan and Victor, having already sold AJ, doesn’t seem the brightest thing to do now does it?

Another note to add, wasn’t it Moyes who decided to spend a quarter of a million on Scott Spencer a couple of years ago ’for the future’? I have no idea how the lad is doing now, but it’s another example of Moyes’ future plans not working out.

Don’t get me wrong lads, I thought we played well tonight, but it’s another game which has left me sitting here thinking ’what if’.

Simon Walker
62 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:48:26

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Aide Dews
63 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:40:43

Happy with the point but I just wish Moyes would of give Van der Meyde 10 mins or so to give us something a bit different out wide and possibly give young Jutkiewicz a go upfront, ya know someone with more of a strikers instinct upfront because for me Cahill was pulling out wide to much for my liking and I just wish Moyes had the balls to throw Jukes on for 5 or so mins to have a real go at beating Chelsea tonight!

Ste Lewis
64 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:36:32

Honestly some people on here make my blood boil. You could not get any more out of what was available. You should be proud, to criticise after that fucking riles me. With one iota of luck we would of won. I thought we were great! Did you not see the teams walking out together? There is no comparison, one is like a world XI and the other has Hibbert at right back. Get a grip!

Lee Smith
65 Posted 22/12/2008 at 23:56:40

My thoughts exactly Aide, but apparently according to Ste and CXo, we are not allowed to put such wacky thoughts forward. Ste, take a chill pill mate, only 3 more sleeps 'til Santa.

Harvey Miller
66 Posted 23/12/2008 at 00:09:02

This was our best performance this season but we have played well for a couple of games. It didn?t make no difference if CFC was playing with 10. Anyone who?s ever played/seen anything knows it don't mean a thing. Still, I have to say Hibbert andOosman (and i used to think they were useless, oh to be wrong like that again and again) were great tonight. I agree with you, Garry, Cech was great tonight.

Aide Dews
67 Posted 23/12/2008 at 00:35:32

All I keep thinking to myself is that we had a massive opportunity tonight of beating Chelsea once Terry got sent off and it just riles me when Moyesy wont be brave enough and throw on the likes of Van der Meyde or Jutkiewicz and give it a go. We was at home against ten-men Chelsea for god sakes, we won't ever get a better chance of beating ?em in my opinion!

Connor Rohrer
68 Posted 23/12/2008 at 01:03:32

Good performance for me. The passion seems to be back, the workrate is top notch and we played some good stuff in the second half. Everything I want to see from the players. We're playing as a team again.

Compare that to some of the gutless performances we?ve seen at Goodison this season, it?s what I want to see. We had a go and with a bit of luck would?ve won the game.

It was always going to be hard to break them down. They're excellent defensively and we had no strikers on the pitch.

I?m happy, could?ve been better but it wasn?t through lack of trying. We didn?t just sit back and play two defensive midfielders. We had a go and tried to win the game.

Ste Lewis
69 Posted 23/12/2008 at 00:45:02

No chill pill needed mate and I am too old and too wise to believe in Santa. Like you, though, Lee I am frustrated by our ability to change those ?in-the-balance-we-could-win-this? moments. That isn't Moyes's fault, he can't pull quality players out of his arse, Lee. If you think that any of those youngsters (or VDM) could have made a difference against Chelsea, then you are a fool. If they truly could have he would have used them.

You criticise Moyes for spending ?a quarter of a million on Scott Spencer a couple of years ago?. Fuck me, if he could spend £30m a go on strikers like at Chelsea he wouldn't be scrounging around hoping the likes of Scott Spencer pay off!

Anthony Dyer
70 Posted 23/12/2008 at 02:03:38

Harsh but true this is Everton?s worst Start to a season at Goodison EVER. Another Moyes achievement. Mark Hughes, swap jobs, mate ? and then we can see how good DM really is!

Robert Jones
71 Posted 23/12/2008 at 03:08:43

Connor ? you mean seeing if he can get a team where one player cost more than our starting 11 today into the relegation zone? I get the feeling Moyes could do better for fuck's sake.

Ben Jackson
72 Posted 23/12/2008 at 13:38:29

Lee Smith, I?m sorry mate but the criticisms of your comments are spot on. They?re not good enough to play first team football and if they were then they?d get a chance. We DO need squad players to make up the numbers, clubs like us wouldn?t survive without them, but they are very much there as last resorts. Tim Cahill would probably get into some of the poorer sides in the Prem as a forward, Jutkiewicz wouldn?t.

Tom Campbell
73 Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:04:45

Lee, Jutkiewicz was on loan at Plymouth last year and Kissock was at Gretna. The have had their experience and maybe they're just not good enough even if we're missing 4 strikers. Moyes obviously prefers experience to a natural unproven player.