Right back ideas anyone?
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Just reading the media reports about our line up for tonight's game.
Does anyone else think it might be an error in DM's judgement to put Jags at right back instead of playing Lars? Just a quick post but anyone out there share the same ideas as me?
Jags is better at centre half and I reckon playing someone who sounds like he's ready for first team action might be a better option.
Matt Kay,
Manchester Posted 04/03/2009 at 11:17:01
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Michael Kenrick
In Moyes we Must Trust! Tally Ho!!!!
Let's make this the Matchday Thread.
Couldnt see Lars playing today (defo not starting). They have Pedersen, who is tricky on the left. Jags might not be great at RB, but he is a known commodity and is up to pace. Bout Lars nobody has any idea about, he has not played a game, so why choose him to face Pedersen? We TWers seem to have a strange pre-occupation with our fringe players.. Specially when we have no diea about his fitness.
At the end of the day, DM amkes the call, he has guided us to 6th and we have looked good, so in Moyes I trust
Cant see the point in jeapordising Jagielkas impeccable form at Centre Half by moving him to right back.
FFs the guy has been outstanding all year so why fix it if its not broken just to accom Yobo
What the fuck was the point in signing Jacobsen?
Jags is RB - and Santa Cruz is their main threat. Not a good combination I think.
Geez my spellings are all over the place.. Too much reliance on spellchecks, I guess. Err.. Lyndon, can we have spell checks please ;-)
just looking at the lads on skysports, i feckin hope we put one over the bung taking fat cheeky twat big sam.
moyes will have a back up plan, i just hope it doesn’t happen with 4 minutes to go
Yobo is most upset and this is Moyes way of keeping him involved.I believe he will go anyway so why piss about just for him.We shall get tonked tonight,just you see!
Agree with Alan Codd.
Plus we have Downing to cope with next so playing Lars would have given him and Moyes a chance to look at fitness/form etc.
Pederson is out so even better.
What is the point of having Lars on the bench ? Might as well put Seamus Coleman there so he can gain experience travelling with the first team.He has been bought as one for the future so why not ?
Very strange.
COYB
Varun, Pedersen is not playing tonight,
he’s suspended.
However, santa claus is playing, jags should be in the middle, end of!
Neither Seamus or Lars has played premier league football as yet so they have been left out in case they get a pasting which is probably likely,
I have watched Seamus a few times and considering he was playing league of Ireland football a month ago he is nowhere near the ready item for a premier league match.
Moyes must also have doubts about Lars or he would be in.
Along wth Segundo he will be heading elsewhere in the summer.
Any threads for tonights game for those of us who are not blessed with sky.
Much appreciated. COYBB!
Having a shocker with reception tonight. Sky says no signal (probably due to snow here in wales) and iraqi goals is stuttery.
Anyone got a link?
Andrew - He is playing Jags so my point re Coleman was that as per Lars not getting a game, he would get experience simply being there.
Lars however is a proven Danish international and is desperate to play. Tonight could have been a perfect opportunity to see what he is made of.
If, as you say, he was getting a ’pasting’ then bring Yobo off the bench and move Jags over or Neville to right back.
COYB
I stupidly resisted going to the pub to watch the match and now can’t find a link. Anyone got one?
Jags at RB is a bad move... Lars is an international right back... really should be given a go. Yobo isnt tip top yet either
come on peanuts!!!
http://plstreams.com/channel1.php
thanks ste thats a cracking steam,
i agree that putting jags at RB is a bit dodgy but i wonder whether Jacobsens words in the week have robbed him of a place?
Why does that link just say found but not show anything Ste?
well i’m in South Africa and we got the match showing here.
will post any major incidence.
at the moment blackburn are all over us... jo had a sweet attempt after just 10seconds... but thats all. rodwell just made a very important shot block
Poor link. Breaks up very often for me.
FYI, villa are 1-0 down to city... elano penny
Man city are 1-0 up against Villa btw.
not a lot is happening in this game
If anyone has other links, please let me know
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/544005
Typical Moyes, he bends over backwards to get Yobo back in the team, do you think he has pictures of Moyes? One of the best centre halves in the league and we play him at full back, only at Everton. This makes me fear for the Quarter-Final.
O and what is the point of Fellaini???
Fellaini has been carrying an injury. You really want to throw an untested right back into a tough tackling PL game? Howay
Fellaini’s injured. Get over it and get off his back.
Well the game is on half time and it's a lot more even now. Pienaar had a cracker of a shot right in front of goal, but keeper saves... couldn't have struck it any better. Also, some good work from peanuts and bainsey down the left.
Osman?s doing nothing so far...
Pienaar should have aimed more for the left corner. The shot was too straight at the keeper.
How rubbish is Jo? Hasn’t got a right foot!!!!!
Im also having a lot of trouble with the links. Can anyone suggest a better one?
I haven’t got any better links. I’m switching between the PLstreams link and the Ustream link.
http://www.plstreams.com/channel1.php
VAN DER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEYDE!!!!!!
GET IN SON!!!
U BEAUTY!!!
re Lars:
Kroldrup was a international centre half and he made his debut against Villa and we all know the score that day.
Apart from the last 5 minutes when we started to play with a bit of purpose, the rest was like watching paint dry.
Blackburn are there for the taking if we show a bit of gumption to press forward.
Btw if Jo is worth 20 million then I’m worth 10 million (and I dont even play). You can say he’s unfit, but that shouldn’t effect your first touch.
http://www.plstreams.com/channel1.php
This works if u allow pop ups
Allardyce, you fuckin’ twat. Fat arsed dick-head.
do we actually offer anything down the right hand side? the left is working well but the right is non-existent
How’s Jo still on after Saha’s cracker at the weekend? FFS Moyes sort it
what happened?!? my link went down, came back with someone lying on the floor and has just gone down again!
Good save, Howard. Yobo’s been afwul, really awful.
livestream link = shite
Performance = shite
Opposition = shite
It is just one of those days...
We have such pitifully little to offer. Surely these players can’t be so piss poor without Arteta? Please someone say it isn’t so???
Andy,
You’re right. We cannot create anything without Arteta. Osman has been really poor again today.
Big Sam pulled the old Everton players are cheaters trick again: Cahill can’t do anything anymore because Wiley blows whistle against him everytime. When Samba fouled Cahill and thought he was in trouble, what does Wiley do? He gives Blackburn a free kick. It’s so unfair...
By the way Osman is having his usual stinker. He just doesn’t know how to shield the ball.
We are playing like relegated team, no midfield of any sorts, home team wins every 50-50 ball.
Any football manager at any level would try to do something but not our Davey. He will wait until it’s too late.
I hope that we do better against Boro.
Methinks not!
Saha for Rodwell. Can we please take Yobo off he is shite tonight. I would like to see Jacobsen for Yobo and VDM for Osman
COYB i got class in 5 min can i atleast see another shot on target
Osman isn?t 100% fit. Even so he isn?t a dominating midfield player who dictates play. He buzzes around playing neat football, but he can?t dictate the pattern ad flow of a game. He?s defo not a winger either.
Is Shandy van der Meyde really that impossible to get into shape? Send the lardy git onto an intensive fitness programme, get him match ready. Just to have someone to offer something extra!
Jonesy what you mean, "What the hell"??
I can’t contain myself any longer; JO IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!Not once has he got in front of a defender or produced a good first touch. And yet still, STILL people make excuses for him. Its an absolute shocking display in terms of passing and creativity. Oh hang on, the walking wig is running, sorry ambling on. Can he do any worse....?
"VAN DER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEYDE!!!!!!
GET IN SON!!!
U BEAUTY!!! "
Exactly what I said. What the hell?
O that, erm, that was when no streams were working i was bored.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/526905
Bloody Hell ? there?s a Man of the Match been announced!! They really are taking the piss...
Much as Hibbert gets slagged for his distribution, he at least makes better runs from full back than Jagielka. Poor Jags doesn?t know that position at all, he?s always mis-timing a run and Osman ends up hemmed in.
Good away point. Forget the match. It was really poor.
Fucking garbage - at least Villa got turned over and the mighty Boro got spanked 4-0 by Spurs.
Terrible match. Don't play the 3 of Yobo, Lescott and Jags (drop Yobo). Put Neville at rightback. Play Gosling from the start.
I thought Peanuts had a good game, though.
Hmmm, we need to be beating no-marks like Blackburn. A point is better than no points, but how are we meant to kick on? We should get Europe this year, but through a technicality due to Man U winning the Carling Cup.
Was I just watching 2 premier teams or the Red Lion v The Knot of Rope?
On the last three performances, its going to be a long end of season. We have no creativity whatsoever. Osman was like a traffic cone out there and Pienaar (I know he has his fans) but for me there is no end product. Primarily because he is so painfully slow. We are going to have to rely on set pieces, particularly away from home.
Awful display, if Moyes persists with Neville in midfield we can kiss any significant achievements this season goodbye.
Yobo didnt do much wrong and hasnt since he came back, but Jags has got to be one of the worst players on the ball in the league, get him at CH were he’s happy and get Neville out of midfield
Jags is a great defender but clearly no full-back.He just seems incapable of finding an Everton player which just makes for more and more pressure.Tonight’s was a shite performance against shite opposition.Please Davey save us from anymore of the totally useless Jo and send him back to the Mancs!
Wow, that was shite! Can’t blame injuries etc tonight. We we’re just bad.
What’s happened to Pienaar?
Completely agree, Vic.
Jags at RB is like playing with ten men, which also makes us weaker in the middle.
Terrible match but, with Villa losing, an okay night.
Bit harsh on Neville, Ian - i thought he made a few more passes than Osman.
That game was there for taking but we were set up for a 0-0 and thats what we got.
Make that nine Richard with Osman infront of him.
The much criticised Fellaini might be carrying a very painful injury, but he still looked better than Jo
Well I?m still standing by what I have always said (even though I got slated on here for saying this)...
I hope we don?t have our usual end to the season.
Yeh, but Mike, thats like saying he’s a better doctor than Harold Shipman. Its no great achievement
The problem for Neville is Arteta getting injured. When Arteta was playing out wide, and Neville played in the middle, he was piss poor. Arteta moves into the middle and Neville looks a completely different player, Arteta gets injured, Neville looks shite in the middle once more.
Thought Osman was awful, and why put Shandy on the bench if there's no chance he's going to bring him in on? Also Jags is a centre half... end off.
Not a great performance, but what exactly were we all expecting? The back 4 on Sunday should be Jags, Lescott, Neville and Baines. They are good defensively and offer attacking options. Yobo will just have to live with the fact that he can?t play in his favourite posiiton.
I know there is more than a hint of dissapointment regarding the last 2 away games. But with half the players unfit and those such as Jo struggling for form 2 clean sheets and 2 points is ok. At the end of the day, we are no better or worse off than we were last Friday night. Although we might have to keep an eye on the Hammers.
I?m pretty certain that the players have their focus on the FA Cup especially since Mikel got injured. Good news the Barcodes losing again and another step closer to where they belong.
Did Moyes and you lot really think we would play attractive attacking football starting with Neville and Rodwell in centre midfield? two players who are better defenders.. put Jags at right back and we all set for the game like we got, same V Newcastle... Moyes is basically a good manager who does good things but is negative and defensive and not brave enough to go for a win when a draw is on the table. why no AVM since crossing for Gosling in derby???
Moyes, sure is one strange man... I can?t believe how he thinks sometimes. Jagielka at right back? If he refuses to play one of the right backs we already got, why doesn?t he let Yobo be the one to play there, so Jagielka can continue with Lescott in the centre. And what about Jo upfront? He is totally crap. He is so painfully slow, that it hurts.
The fastest Everton man to enter the Blackburn penalty area in this match was no other than Mick Rathbone. And at 60 minutes, when I expected the substitution, I had to wait another 10 minutes for no reason.
And as the match went on, and there was no real attacking threat from Everton, I was screaming for Van der Meyde to get in. But instead, in came Claus Thomsen reincarnated with a big black curly wig. So what was to come from that? Nothing... and the time ticket away and no more substitutions was to come. Moyes was apparently satisfied with a point from relegation candidates Blackburn.
Poor, poor game... But 1 point away is not bad. Having said that, I thought we need Gosling on the wide right, he is better than Osman there. Maybe Moyes will see the problem and put him in center.
And Brian, agreed ? Neville without a creative player alongside looks poor. Finally, why do people have such a go at Jo? For me, he did decently, we didn't give him a chance to score, still he moved around and got involved in the link up. He did his job decently, his touch is not great though.
And if not Jo, who else?? Jo is cup-tied, that means Saha is going to play on Sunday, so maybe Moyes wanted to nurse him today. Fair call on that. Those who slag off Moyes, in spite of such a spirited season amidst all the injuries, should go the full distance and identify who to play instead of Jo...
Neville must return to right back on sunday and I?d start Gosling & Fellaini with Jo out and drop Yobo back to the bench.
Our midfield has been awful in Arteta?s absense. We have hardly created any chances in nearly 3 games. I just hope we get plenty of corners and free kicks on Sunday.
Nice one Kevin!.. yes Jo had to play tonght and keep Claus and Saha for cup when Jo can’t play
Stephen you will probailby hear the phrase that seems to be some of our fans favourite at the moment, when a player has a shit game, he was playing with an injury.
God we miss Arteta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not sure I can face watching this for the next few months (of course I will though). All my optimisim of a few weeks a go has almost gone. Luckily we are very solid at the back whoever plays, as that and set pieces is the only was we are going to being wining from now 'til end of season!!
It is depressing when you think about Bolton at home a few weeks back, Arteta was awesome and we played attacking passing football... seems a long time ago now.
Very poor game this one. I agree with those who think that Jagz should be left at centre-half. Why take someone who has been in the top 5 central defenders in the league and put him in a position where he doesn’t know whether he’s coming or going?! I hope this doesn’t mess with his confidence when he does eventually go back to his more favoured position. Thank God that Jo is ineligible for the Cup meaning that Saha will line up with Cahill up front. The jury is still out on Jo but it’s obvious that our current style of play does not suit him.
Same old moans which receive the same old reply, we did not concede so therfore the defence worked... QED
So we move Neville to right back, who plays in midfield? Or better yet we play Lars, an injury prone player who has never played one second of premiership football, against a rough and tumble Fat Sam side... genius, absolute genius.
The fact remains that we have no creative outlet in our midfield anymore and tonight Blackburn beat us at our own game, they were closing down quickly all over the park and were genuinely triple marking Pienaar, our only source of flair tonight.
Horrible game to watch but at least we didn?t get beat.
Nick, I think the Premier League doesn?t suit him.
Forgive me for asking but is Osman actually on the field?
As TV cameras track the play I occasionally glimpse someone that could be him.
What makes me think it is our Leon is the fact that the little chap spends a lot of time sitting on his arse. There is a possibility I could be mistaking Leon for Peanuts who also spends a lot of his time on his arse on the grass.
Given Everton?s injury problems I think a lot of the games between now and the end of the season will be like this one ? drab, low scoring affairs. Hopefully we can edge enough games to guarantee us 6th spot, but asking for 4th spot without Arteta and Yakuba and with a host of other players carrying little niggles (Cahill, Fellaini, Saha) is a big ask. Let?s just make sure we cement 6th spot through tight defensive performances and try our hand a bit more in the FA Cup.
Poor, poor game... awful game to be true. We will indeed miss Arteta.
Tony, Neville must be taken out of midfield, he?s awful there. Play him right back, Gosling right mid and Osman in the centre. 3 players playing in their natural positions, is that so ridiculous?
I always thought quite highly of Big Sam, but his actions tonight annoyed me no end. I couldn?t believe when Samba was given the foul for kneeing Cahill in the back, when the camera?s cut to Allardyce he was actually laughing, knowing what he had said early had been take in by the ref. Scumbag.
Should close this thread because there was noting that could be discussed about that dreadful game. It would put ya off watching football for lent!!!
I agree that this was a pretty poor showing tonight. But let's put things into perspective. We have kept another clean sheet and we have done this away from home. We have a injury ravaged squad and a small squad at that. We have an FA Cup quarter final, which I am so excited about. We are 6th in the league, which is fantastic, considering how unfortunate we have been this season. We have a great youth setup and it's getting better. It's great to be a blue.
Onwards and upwards!
Its plain to see that Neville needs the calmness of Arteta when playing in CM (because Neville?s point of pass is generally to Arteta)
I feel Moyes now needs to change the CM setup and play lads in the middle who are comfortable on the ball.
I would move Neville to RB on Sunday and play a Midfield of Pienaar, Rodwell, Osman and Gosling.
This will allow Fellaini and Cahill to revert to the roles in which they were so successful around Xmas.
Shane - you just said it.
MO?N, you hyperactive, slightly loveable tit, plese implode, literally.
Fuck tonight, big one on Sunday. COYB!
Absolutely stunned by Wiley. He was clearly lecturing Cahill before the first corner, then later gives a free kick to Blackburn after being poleaxed from behind by Samba. As Joe said, Big Sam had this huge shite-eating grin knowing the ref had fallen for his drivel. This smells of AJ all over again.
What would you rather have, 10 thousand quid or Big Sam?s big fat head full of 10 p pieces?
Thank god it?s Saha for Jo on Sunday and not vice versa (not withstanding a possible Cahill/Fellaini combination).
The man is crap. Blackburn may be an even bigger load of yard dogs than either of the other shite that corrupt twat Allardyce managed in Bolton and Newcastle but at least they had three forward players who ran their socks off up front; what did we have? A lazy, clueless, smiling (yes... smiling, which he does a lot because he is earning a fortune for doing fuck all and having a real good laugh at our soft club for giving him houseroom in the first place), Citeh reject. God help us!
Just have to say though, if any of the so-called ?big-four? had the same number of players putting in the shift most of our lads have in the recent intensive programme of games against the same opposition as they?ve had, the papers would be full of it. Our lads just get on with it, despite the fact that most of them must be absolutely shattered at the moment. Unfortunately, I think that we break down sooner or later, it just isn?t sustainable but who could blame them. Even if it comes on Sunday, I?m certainly proud of them as all Evertonians must surely be.
Tell you what, once this squad is fully fit, get rid of the deadwood (Jo back to Citeh, Fellaini, Castillo), and if Billy Liar gets his finger out to bring in Dafur and Dalmat from Liege and Moutinho from Lisbon, there won?t even be a contest for top four but there may be for the title!
The last 10 Pl games for the top teams is as follows. Considering this includes our fixtures against 3 of the Sky 4 I don’t think we’re doing too bad although we do need to rediscover how to win away from home.
Pts TEAM
30 MANCHESTER UNITED
20 CHELSEA
20 WEST HAM UNITED
19 LIVERPOOL
19 EVERTON
18 ASTON VILLA
18 ARSENAL
17MANCHESTER CITY
Someone on here has said Yobo was awful last night. Ridiculous. He was comfortable and composed - as always. As I’ve said many times before he is probably naturally our best defender. Jags has been class this season, but is playing above himself. We can’t afford to lose Joseph. Fact.
Tim Wardrop - how on earth is Jagielka playing above himself when he has been playing to this standard CONSISTENTLY all season? To me, that would imply this is his natural level of performance, would it not?
Tim - once again the centre halfs were split with a lucky pass through the middle. This happens a lot when Yobo and Lescott play together.
No-one is saying Yobo isn’t class but right now our best partnership in the centre is Jags and Lescott.
Obviously Moyes has no respect for Jacobsen’s ability (why even bother putting him on the bench), so let Yobo play right back.
And to those who keep saying Jacobsen is untried in the Premiership so is everyone else who has not played yet !!!
He has played for Denmark from under 16’s through to the senior team so I am sure he can handle a game at Blackburn(Newcastle).
Christ Blackburn had no threat down the right flank at all.
What an insult to a full international player yet a 17 year old (regardless of potential) is put back in the middle against a team of Allardyce thugs. The decisions do not balance.
As for Allardyce - what a horrible, self importent git he is.
Cahill is crunched - and Allardyce is laughing and saying ’I told you so’ in the stands.
I do not normally swear on here but what an arrogant, delusional fat twat that man is.
I thought our midfield at times got in each others way and with Jags at right back we had no outlet down that wing which in turn puts all the pressure on Baines and Peanuts on the left which is why everytime Peanuts got the ball he was surrounded by 3 Blackburn players. Shut down our attacking options down the left and with Jags at right back we have no width at all.
If we did not have a massive quarter final at the weekend I believe more Evertonians would be seriously challenging Moyes over his tactis in the last 2 away games regardless of Arteta’s loss.
Jacobsen and Andy Van simply fill subs places with no chance of playing so why not include say Coleman and AN other on the bench - no chance of playing but an opportunity to share the first team experience ?
Anyway 3 points gained on Villa in 2 games and 1 on Liverpool.
The players must have had an eye on the quarter final - human nature despite one game at a time etc.
Anyway calmed down now re the selection and looking forward to Sunday.
COYB
Yobo was cleaned by Roberts last night. I cannot understand why Moyes would break up the Jags - Lescott partenrship. I thought he has more cop on. I love moyes but this is shit managing. Osman was so fucking shite I nearkly cried watching him, God love the little fucker he was dirt,. Jo is brutal too. Back to Jags,Lescott Baines and Neville back 4 on Sunday and teh rest will fall into place. Gosling Osman Cahill Rodwell and Pienaar in the mid and Saha up front.
Yobo is a liability.
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