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Just like the rest of them!
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So now we know; according to NoW`s very well connected writer, Andy Dunn, David Moyes is a greedy bugger just like the rest of them. His reluctance in signing a new contract had nothing to do with limitations on transfer funds but everything to do with doubling his money to a staggering £3M a year!
Of course, some of us always knew it. However great his love for the People`s Club, he wants his snout in the trough like all the others and, anyway, hasn`t he been voted Manager of the Year no less than twice in the last six years and therefore entitled to it? So when we all slag off Blue Bill for not backing his manager with barrel-loads of transfer cash perhaps we should become a little more demanding of the manager who has held him to ransom for personal gain throughout the summer.
Remember, Davey, as the late John Moores said on more than one occasion,`People who live on high hills should expect high winds!`
Brian Noble, Posted 13/07/2008 at 12:35:38
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2 Posted 13/07/2008 at 14:46:11
As for demanding more from the manager, I fail to see what more any manager can deliver above a top 5 finish with a limited transfer budget. So the Chairman DOES need to come up with a transfer budget even if the manager is rewarded in line with his peers.
3 Posted 13/07/2008 at 14:45:18
Firstly it’s a newspaper story, in the News of the World. Now you might not believe this, but actually not everything written in newspapers is actually true. I know, shocking isn’t it! The Screws has a particularly talent for ’imaginative reporting’ especially with regards to figures and football, so you can take the story and the figure with a pinch of salt and if there is an element of truth then it probably means halving the numbers.
Secondly, there’s this thing that happens when people try to sort out contracts, called negotiation. What you do you see is you ask for more than you want or think you’ll get on the understanding that the other party will almost ALWAYS haggle you down. So perhaps £3M is what he’s asking for, but that he’d settle for less.
Thirdly, even in the relatively unlikely case that the case above is true, would a figure in that region really be so unreasonable considering Moyes performance both on the field and in the transfer market?
He’s being charged with breaking into the top 7 and then the top 4 with a fraction of the budget that other clubs have and he’s done a pretty good job of it too in recent years (4, 5 and 6th place finishes, a couple of good cup runs, etc) and even, dare I say it, even playing some pretty good football at times, so why shouldn’t he be up there with the top earners? According to a Times piece last year Jose was on £5.2m a year, Alex Ferguson £3.6m a year and Rafa Benitez, Arsene Wenger, Steve McClaren and Sam Allardyce all on £2.5-3M. The numbers can only have increased in the interim (with extra Sky dosh),
Ramos is apparently on £4.5-5M a year at Spurs, Hughes is on between £2-3M at Man City and I’d guess that O’Neill and Redknapp are on decent whacks too. Sure you can argue that these salaries are in reality as massively overinflated as the value of a one-bed flat in Chelsea, but until the crash comes to football, that’s the going rate my friend. As Moyes is being charged with competing with these teams (and in all but four cases has succeeded in beating them) then surely it’s only fair for him to expect a similar market rate salary?
Ultimately, against the backdrop of bungled stadia, stupid merchandising and general hapless mismanagement that seems to be the Everton-boardroom-way, I think it’s hard to argue that Moyes represents anything other than a shining light of professionalism and an example of the way things should be done. He’s not perfect of course and has his occasional idiosyncracies (no more Neville in midfield please Davey!), but to my mind he is arguably the best thing to happen to this club for bloody years. £3M a year to keep us in Europe, having a go at the top four and enjoying a few cup runs? In this market, that’s a steal!
Now let’s stop arguing, get the ginger bugger signed up and let him buy some bloody midfielders so we can have another crack at fourth! COYB!
4 Posted 13/07/2008 at 15:32:51
5 Posted 13/07/2008 at 15:54:38
6 Posted 13/07/2008 at 15:57:14
7 Posted 11/07/2008 at 20:54:46
8 Posted 13/07/2008 at 16:08:53
9 Posted 13/07/2008 at 16:15:29
10 Posted 13/07/2008 at 16:13:53
11 Posted 13/07/2008 at 16:26:57
No doubt, after I’ve said that, it’ll now be true.
Bugger
12 Posted 13/07/2008 at 17:25:24
13 Posted 13/07/2008 at 17:55:23
14 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:08:59
That?s football!
15 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:33:37
Expect signings to be around end of window rather than beginning of season due to cashflow considerations.
IMWT!
16 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:38:37
17 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:45:09
Arsene Wenger (Arsenal) £4.5m
Kevin Keegan (Newcastle) £4m
Alex Ferguson (Man Utd) £3m
Harry Redknapp (Portsmouth) £3m
Mark Hughes (Man City) £3m
Roy Keane (Sunderland) £3m
Rafael Benitez (Liverpool) £2.5m
David Moyes (Everton) £2.5m
Alan Curbishley (West Ham) £2m
Alex McLeish (Birmingham) £1.6m
Steve Bruce (Wigan) £1.6m)
Paul Jewell (Derby) £1m
Steve Coppell (Reading) £1.5m
Serie A
Jose Mourinho (Inter Milan) £7m
Carlo Ancelotti (AC Milan) £3.6m
Luciano Spalletti (Roma) £1.6m
Cesare Prandelli (Fiorentina) £1.2m
Claudio Ranieri (Juventus) £1.2m
Walter Novellino (Torino) £800,000
Stefano Colantuono (Palermo) £720,000
Edy Reja (Napoli) £560,000
Walter Mazzarri (Sampdoria) £480,000
Delio Rossi (Lazio) £440,000
Marco Giampaolo (Cagliari) £400,000
Pasquale Marino (Udinese) £400,000
Luigi Del Neri (Atalanta) £360,000
Gigi Cagni (Empoli) £360,000
Silvio Baldini (Catania) £280,000
Domenico Di Carlo (Parma) £280,000
Gian Piero Gasperini (Genoa) £240,000
Andrea Mandorlini (Siena) £200,000
Massimo Ficcadenti (Reggina) £200,000
Fernando Orsi (Livorno) £160,000
Others
Fabio Capello (England) £4.5m
Jurgen Klinsmann (Bayern Munich) £2m
Giovanni Trapattoni (Rep Of Ireland) £1.5m
18 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:54:36
19 Posted 13/07/2008 at 18:57:53
20 Posted 13/07/2008 at 19:01:44
21 Posted 13/07/2008 at 19:20:34
22 Posted 13/07/2008 at 19:38:47
I’d like to see the whole lot of it go bust so we could start again!"
23 Posted 13/07/2008 at 20:12:28
24 Posted 13/07/2008 at 20:55:42
Of course finance will be the main factor in taking us forward but a change in attitude will be necessary.That means not resorting to safety first when we play sides like Chelsea,i.e Carsley and Neville in midfield.It means having the belief that we are good enough to compete at Old Trafford and it means giving flair players a run in the side.(ADVM).
A couple of years ago DM was big enough to learn from the players and to adjust his style of management.Can he do it again?
25 Posted 13/07/2008 at 21:47:52
I am now convinced Moyes will sign his new lucrative contract even though he’s never won anything and he’ll demand the same wage off Newcastle when he’s managing them come the end of the season!
26 Posted 13/07/2008 at 21:54:57
27 Posted 13/07/2008 at 22:31:39
My guess, is that he?s not willing to commit himself to Everton until the club shows him that they are as ambitious as he is. I think he?s happy enough with his salary and I don?t believe that he will sign for us, if the club faff about this time. I think then that he?d just see his contract out.
28 Posted 14/07/2008 at 04:01:59
He never bad-mouths other people nor teams or managers and thats one of the reasons he is held in such high regard by his peers in addition to the fact he?s kept EFC at the top of the league (bar 1 season) on a shoestring.
As some other posters have said even the pro-BK brigade would have had him out by now if it wasn't for Moyes.
It is a short and high pressure job for most so I say good luck to him.
29 Posted 14/07/2008 at 07:54:43
Theres no other manager in the Premier League I would rather have in charge given our current circumstances. Good luck to DM if he is trying to get the best deal possible for himself.
A bit disappointing for you Brian that this mail didn?t get the histerical carry on you obviously wanted.
Better luck next time.
30 Posted 14/07/2008 at 08:58:04
31 Posted 14/07/2008 at 09:43:33
32 Posted 14/07/2008 at 10:04:15
ironic Roger ... It seems your knowledge of all things football is on par with that of Alexi Sayle.
33 Posted 14/07/2008 at 10:07:03
I suggest that once we are safely installed in our new home, admiration for the drive and determination of Chairman Bill will follow.
34 Posted 14/07/2008 at 10:48:58
Maybe Davey?s become cynical and said well fuck it, I?ve tried my best, I?m banging my head against a brick wall, the chairman doesn?t match my ambition and is happy to stay in the EPL, so I?ll sit on a fat contract till someone sacks me. His manner towards the end of last year was one of slight despair, and if he?s not allowed to spend any decent money what else can he do. He?s not going to walk away from £50 grand a week is he ? would you?
35 Posted 14/07/2008 at 11:47:55
An acceptance of the fact that there are both positives AND negatives in all aspects of the club would make your views more widely accepted.
36 Posted 14/07/2008 at 12:06:32
37 Posted 14/07/2008 at 12:07:08
I personally think he?s worth every penny and maybe it?s a sign of things to come - better players, higher wages.
38 Posted 14/07/2008 at 12:53:46
Of course, he knew he?d got BB exactly where he wants him. Even if he?d demanded £5M there would have been an outcry if Bill had turned him down and he?d walked. Like all good Scots, Davey knows how to turn a shilling!
39 Posted 14/07/2008 at 13:07:36
Dont stretch the imagination too far with "Black Bill" and DK neither of which will do much for Everton.
40 Posted 14/07/2008 at 13:18:37
41 Posted 14/07/2008 at 13:36:26
"My old Dad always told me, ?Avoid negative people at all costs-they will only bring you down.?I have followed that mantra all my life"
Your Dad sounds familiar.
He wasn?t in the movie The Life of Brian was he?
In the final scene, singing on a cross?
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1 Posted 13/07/2008 at 14:50:17