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Sir Philip Carter

you can look at Companies House website and search Everton Football Club Co Limited and it says that Keith Wyness resigned on 7th August 2008 but there is no appointment for Carter posted. That is not to say that the appointment has not been filed it is just that it is likely that it is August 2008 as it normally takes 7 working days to file changes in companies.

PR might be right that he came "back on board" at the club 5 months ago but he has only recently been appointed as a director of the company.
Tony Mainee, woking Posted 19/08/2008 at 14:07:28

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Michael Kenrick

Maybe Prentice missed a word in his quote of the mysteriously unamed 'Everton Spokesman' ( ? is the Echo/Post the only entity to still use this rather quaint mechanism for the controlled release of information?). Thus "back on board" and "back on the board"... Umm...

By way of comment, it seems a backward step to me... more consolidation by Bill Kenwright as he hunkers down...

Harry Meek
1 Posted 19/08/2008 at 15:29:40

Brings a whole new meaning to the usual assurances that BB is looking to be progressive and is looking for investment 24/7,doen’t it?
Carter was a Littlewoods lackey who never invested a penny of his own money in the Club and was yesterday’s man 10 years ago!
The sole purpose of his being brought back ONTO the Board is to pre-empt an attempt by the EGM to fill the vacancy created by the demise of Wyness.
So pathetic as to be sorrowful are the ways of our revered chairman!

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
2 Posted 19/08/2008 at 15:36:27

... more likely he’s filling in for Earl who doesn’t want any part of it. Actions speak louder than words, the motto of Everton’s 2008 summer fiasco.

Jay Harris
3 Posted 19/08/2008 at 15:37:53

Harry
while I agree with the sentiment that Sir Phil Carter is probably too old now I cannot agree with calling him a lackey.

He is very well respected in football and financial circles having previously been a merchant banker and Everton’s most successful chairman and may well be a stabilising influence among the chaos that is currently going on behind the scenes.

I do agree though that you can read Kenwright like a book and this is just a tactic to deflect criticism at the EGM.

Mark Hill
4 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:00:53

The term ?nothing but the best is good enough? - has this now been filed away in the passages of time?

I know it?s not necessarily linked to this thread, but I can?t believe we haven?t signed anyone of note in this transfer window?? i don?t really believe we will, although i note Gravesen is a free agent... will he be the footballing version of a certain H Kendall?

Tony Marsh
5 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:09:41

Jay the only thing will will bring stability to this club even on a short term basis is a big wad of fucking cash. Do you think Carter is the man to do this? Do you think Carter can generate any investment from anywhere? I don't.

Sean Thompson
6 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:15:22

I’m going to play a game of 5-a-side after work, if i get no knocks i’ll be avail for selection this weekend. After tonights game I’ll then get showered and put on a bonny suit, i’m sure I couldget a place on the board if i tell BB how much i love him and what a wonderful job he is doing. In fact he’ll prob ask me a lie and tell the press that i’m writing a cheque for EFC that will take months and months to cash.....

Gavin Ramejkis
7 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:21:11

For once Jay I’ve got to disagree with you Carter is symptomatic of the old boy’s club that fucked us over in the 80s. Carter failed decades ago before the game became a proper business. It does stink of Bullshit Billy surrounding himself with yes men or coffin dodgers as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Still no movement on any players - watch the void is what Bullshitter should have said.

Harry Meek
8 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:12:07

Jay,I have never known of Carter being ’a successful merchant banker’.He was very certainly the chief executive of Littlewoods when brought onto the Board by John Moores.As far as being a respected FA ’blazer’,you could say that about Peter Swales,Doug Ellis and quite a few more who hung on far too long to their club’s past glories.
If Kenwright cannot do better than bring back this old timer,( he must be well past 80)it really is time for a change at the top!

Shaun Brennan
9 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:30:48

Bringing Carter onto the baord is a step in the Wrong Direction. Carter happily oversaw just like Kenright, Johnsons stewardship also.

Everton the original (skint) old boys club.

Brian Copson
10 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:31:36

Since this is the season for conspiracy theories, I?ll pass on something I heard from a usually reliable source last night. Kenwright plans to stand down as Chairman at the EGM and will nominate Sir Philip as the interim replacement.

Doesn?t mean that BB won't continue to have control, though, but he?ll be out of the front line!

Norman Jones
11 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:38:30

Toffeeweb itself has its own biography of Sir Philip Carter! If you cannot locate it on this site, then GOOGLE him, and read the Toffeeweb script! Priceless!

Jay Harris
12 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:37:24

Gavin
I agree this is a step back into the twilight zone but I still insist Carter presided over the most successful period in EFC history and is STILL very well repected in the financial world.
He was also instrumental in establishing the premier league although I think that point doesnt sit well with us.

Tony I was only making the point that we need some stability to take stock,get rid of Kenwright and organise a "professional" sale of the club rather than another Billy "Ballsup".

Otherwise I think we’re all on the same page.

Kenwright out

Investor in

Improve the squad

Improve the commercial operations

Start to redevelop GP.

That should be the plan IMO anyway.

Billy Dean
13 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:52:07

Jay, you make it sound so easy!

Jay Harris
14 Posted 19/08/2008 at 16:53:28

Billy
if only it was!!

Sean Miller
15 Posted 19/08/2008 at 17:00:35

Returning to the Everton Board will not seem anything exceptional to Phil Carter as he’s already done it twice already.In fact,he’s a very experienced come-back artist as in May last year he had to issue an announcement that he was alive and kicking (well alive,anyway!) after Sky News wrongly reported that he has died in an helicopter crash!
In fact,you could really call him ’The Come-Back King’!

Fred Denning
16 Posted 19/08/2008 at 17:25:28

Only the vanity of the aged could have tempted Sir Phil back onto the Everton Board.Surely after all his years of working as a stooge-first for John Moores, then Johnson and Kenwright, the man could find something more enlightening to do whilst seeing his time out in God’s Waiting Room?

Gavin Ramejkis
17 Posted 19/08/2008 at 17:30:37

Jay I think the similarity to Billy Liar is scary; Carter was indeed sat in a wing backed chesterfield smoking cohibas during Kendall’s success but failed to develop the club; agreed the RS’ antics had nothing to do with him getting us pumped from Europe before we had a chance but they survived through running their club well whilst we stagnated. Now we have Billy Liar doing exactly the same with DM’s success covering his sorry arse and failures then stagnating yet again.

Jay Harris
18 Posted 19/08/2008 at 18:07:03

Gavin
I think we’re both agreed that Carter has been brought in to stem the tidal wave anticipated at the EGM.

But and here’s where i Have a different take on it.

First of all let me say I dont think Phil Carter is any longer capable of taking over as Chairman elect but I do feel he can calm the waters and package EFC up for sale.

I can tell you from personal knowledge that he is held in very high regard by most of the Moores including the Grantchester clan and is still well respected in financial circles especially London.As far as I know he still has a pilot’s licence and regularly flies down to London Docklands so he can’t be totally brain dead.

......And my point is he would be the perfect person to orchestrate a sale to potential investors.(sorry about the waffle)

If I am wrong and he’s only there to keep Black Bill’s seat warm then it is totally the wrong appointment.

Gary Tudor
19 Posted 19/08/2008 at 20:16:10

To add to the conspiracy theories, is it possible that Sir Philip is moving back on the board to facilitate investment from the Moores & Grantchesters?

Maybe Lord Grantchester, who has apparently been uhappy with certain decisions wants to buy more shares in the club?

Just a thought!!!

Gavin Ramejkis
20 Posted 19/08/2008 at 21:14:52

Gary I’ve always wondered what happened to Lord Grantchester, I know he was one of Paul Greggs backers/financiers for the Kings Dock. After that went down the drain he walked away but was always very keen to get involved in the club, not a billionaire but another Evertonian with money and ties but maybe unwelcome by Black Bill.

Mick Gallagher
21 Posted 19/08/2008 at 21:20:24

Always remember him not fighting for us to get the euro ban overturned,as it was his tory mate maggie who banned us before uefa.

Barry Lightfoot
22 Posted 19/08/2008 at 21:55:01

Good point Gavin Ramejkis, Philip Carter was chairman from 1978 and what did Goodison look like then, well exactly the same as it does now apart from one substandard Park End built by Johnson. He has added nothing to this club he’s just sat there in his comfy chair and watched the place fall apart with the rest of them. we don’t need an old buffoon like him.

Barry Lightfoot
23 Posted 19/08/2008 at 22:29:48

Probably, he’s most likely been plugged into the mains in the basement at Goodison for the last 5 years regenerating that’s why we haven’t seen him. Probably accounts for the hair as well.

Frying Tonight.

EJ Ruane
24 Posted 20/08/2008 at 11:29:23

Jesus christ, that’s JUST what we need.

Sgt fucking Wilson back to take charge...OF DOING ABSOLUTELY BLEEDING NOTHING!!

I could weep!

John Moores was obviously a nasty oul’ bastard, but (right or wrong) he could make a fucking decision.

So much in business these days is about NOT doing stuff, NOT making decisions, not getting involved.

Show me a shite business and i’ll show you a bunch of cowards being led by someone guaranteed to make the wrong decision

Carter?

Perfect!

They could have got a fucking goldfish (although in fairness, I will accept that Carter probably looks better in a spin-stripe suit, with a hanky draped out of his top pocket...just).

Pointless, pointless, pointless.