"Pienaar blasts 'failed' season" screams the headline from Sky Sports, as if Everton's player of the season is somehow twisting the knife on what was a frustrating season that has now given way to an uncertain summer as key players in the squad mull contract extensions.
If you read what the man the South Africans call "Schillo" actually said, as presented in a more balanced way on his personal website, he's merely putting the 2009-10 season in its proper context.
Our objectives for the campaign were probably as simple as to emulate or surpass the two preceding 5th-place finishes, qualify for Europe and make another cup final.
Whatever the reasons — and we all know what they were (the Lescott drama, late transfer business and crippling injuries) — no one can deny that when couched within those parameters, the season just passed was a failure.
You can question the wisdom of making the comments — though I'm willing to bet they were made in the course of a normal interview looking back on the season and he was guided to them by his questioner — but I don't think you can argue with them.
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1 Posted 29/05/2010 at 08:44:00
Plus, Pienaar's contract squabble is something that Sky and all media sources are watching and they're looking for any signs for potential drama because, quite frankly, it's boring for them right now. The media needs some sort of sensationalism — why do you think two of the more printed pre-World Cup stories has been that the Argentinan squad has been cleared to have sex and Maradona says he will run naked if they win?
Or was it the Argentinan squad will run naked if they win and Maradona has been cleared to have sex? I can't remember...
But the point is, all of those stories stir the pot and get people to read at a real slow news time.
2 Posted 29/05/2010 at 09:02:50
3 Posted 29/05/2010 at 09:18:38
4 Posted 29/05/2010 at 09:21:54
I just wonder though if his agent fed the question to the journo, so that Pienaar could cite "a club going backwards" as reason for his inevitable departure, to try and dispel supporter angst of the Lescott variety...
5 Posted 29/05/2010 at 10:14:12
As you rightly say, Lyndon, this is the boring season for the media, and they will pounce on anything even remotely interesting, and try sensationalising it.
6 Posted 29/05/2010 at 10:16:05
7 Posted 29/05/2010 at 10:44:19
8 Posted 29/05/2010 at 11:12:30
9 Posted 29/05/2010 at 11:50:37
10 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:09:32
However, in view of the injuries and our lack of even adequate replacements, I feel the sea-change in our attitude to Chelsea/Man U etc, and, especially, the gratifying improvement in our playing style make it a season where we DID progress. Next season's the crunch.
11 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:33:53
Everton should offer him what we can afford. if a basic salary of £2.5m a year is considered by Pienaar to be insufficient remuneration for his role then it's simple, we get rid. If what I hear is true, we can get Moutinho for about same price as Pienaar would fetch.
I think he's a fabulous player for us. He has been reborn and instrumental in Everton's new expansive, ball retaining style of play. He has skill, pace, strength and spunk. I love him. But we can only afford what we can afford.
In the unlikely event that he does stay I suggest his negotiating position has not done him any favours with the fans. He and his agent have strung it out and continue to do so. I think it's now inevitable that he leaves. Although noises within the club are suggesting that he will be held to the last year of his contract.
Whilst that principle can be admired in some respects, in other respects it is utterly absurd. We do not have the financial headroom to wave away £15m+ for a player. Keeping an unhappy player, even a very good one, is pointless. I suspect this is another example of Moyes digging his heels in. But, like Lescott, we end up in a mess.
IMHO it is now Everton's turn to ramp up the heat. Fuck the idea of retaining him for his final year. We lodge a bid for Moutinho for say £15m and advise Pienaar and his increasingly vocal agent that we want a decision by 11th June (day before the WC starts). If Pienaar goes, we go all out for Moutinho.
If we really do keep Pienaar for his last year then that will be further proof that Moyes cannot lose the stubborn streak that clouds his judgement on such occasions. He's the COO of an £80m business and we do not look £15m gift horses in the mouth.
Get it sorted.
12 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:50:25
If he hasn't then we're in trouble... We'll effectively have a decent manager who is limited by his innability to learn from previous mistakes.
A lot more turns on this situation than simply retaining a good wide player.
13 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:42:28
Can you clarify, just in case I ever to decide to fill the application form in?
14 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:58:13
15 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:02:14
""We've come close a few times and done well in the league, but for me, it's not enough.
"Tottenham got to the Champions League this season, but there's only been one other team in the last few years to have done that outside the big four. That was us.
"That's seen as success, but I have a problem with that. It's saying that it's okay to finish fourth.
"I grew up at Celtic where you HAD to win every game. With the boys' club, the reserves and the first team. You were expected to win every week.
"So to have that mentality that finishing fourth is success is strange, yet that's the perception.
"I just don't understand how can you expect to be happy with fourth"
16 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:03:27
It's a journo's job to sell shite so don't be surprised when they stir up a hornet's nest from meaningless non-stories — after all, who wants to read boring drivel?
17 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:10:18
Personally, I think that's a ridiculous suggestion... Moyes has lots to learn.
18 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:45:59
19 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:46:30
I don't think these comments were an attempt to force his way out, however. Given the choice, I think he would stay at the club.
His agent, though, has pointed out to him that this WC will be his best chance to force himself on to the top table in terms of earnings. As the star of the host nation, he has a chance to elevate his status. It is no coincidence that he signed a three-year contract, rather than a four or a five. This was planned by his representatives when he was joining the club.
I hope he has a great WC, sparks a bidding war and we end up with £18m + for him. I don't think we are far off that figure now, but, with just one year left on his contract, we can't expect to push the price much higher. I also hope we can sell him to a foreign team and not have to face him next season in the PL.
20 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:54:49
I do find it quite interesting the launch of Pienaar's own website and twitter page, well the timing of it. His PR people are obviously trying to make him more of a marketable brand on the back of the World Cup. No mention of his drink-driving or domestic violence on there though... surprise, surprise.
21 Posted 29/05/2010 at 14:14:26
Steven: “I want to win the League again with my team and, obviously, to be involved in the Champions League atmosphere one more time.“
Rules us out then.
22 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:58:44
The stubborn streak that meant we got way over the odds for Lescott by holding firm? I suppose Moyes is just supposed to accede to any bid by Man City that they make for any of our players, or any transfer request submitted by a player? The same stubborn streak shown by Spurs when they held out for £30m for Berbatov until the last minute of the transfer window? The same stubborn streak shown by Real Madrid when they held out for £32m for Robinho? And numerous other examples. It was Lescott and Man City that wrecked our start to the season, not David Moyes.
And are these figures for Pienaar realistic? £15-18m sounds a lot for a player in the last year of his contract. I would say more like £5-10m. Moyes and the club are exerting their right to state that they can hold him to his contract — it's just a bargaining position, that's all. People shouldn't jump to conclusions that this will necessarily happen.
23 Posted 29/05/2010 at 14:26:02
I can't see Pienaar raising anywhere near £15m unless he has a blinder in the WC; even then, a shrewd manager would just wait until he was available for nothing but the signing-on fee.
24 Posted 29/05/2010 at 14:32:23
If Lescott had submitted a transfer request after the Cup Final, I would agree that, in that instance, Moyes would have had to act sooner. Anyway, water under the bridge; this is a totally different scenario. Pienaar is as good as already gone — it's just a matter of how much and when.
25 Posted 29/05/2010 at 13:44:50
FFS. Try to understand the situation: if Pienaar is the greedy bastard you guys are making him out to be, Everton lose out, big time. HE will call the shots... all of them. Without his co-operation, we don't have a bargaining position. Why cant you guys understand that?
It's not Moyes who needs to learn from the past. If you guys think Everton will spend every penny they raised by selling Pienaar on a replacement, you have not only learned nothing from the Lescott saga, you have learned nothing about transfers involving Everton during Kenwright`s entire reign.
Slice any amount raised by about 50% — that`ll give you an idea of how much Everton will spend... and the quality of any replacement.
26 Posted 29/05/2010 at 15:14:44
As far as selling players goes, he says he doesn't want to sell, then a "too good resist" offer comes in and the money men say 'sorry Dave, we've get to let him go."
If he does want to sell then it is still the money men who decide what is an acceptable figure and negotiate, it is not the manager.
27 Posted 29/05/2010 at 15:26:13
If Pienaar doesn't want to go to a club, he doesn't have to, not even if Everton were offered £50 million quid.
28 Posted 29/05/2010 at 15:26:34
As it's laughable to suggest Everton have professional negotiators on the payroll, by "money men" are you referring to certain retail figures, acting, perhaps, as undeclared directors/owners of EFC?
29 Posted 29/05/2010 at 16:59:06
30 Posted 29/05/2010 at 17:48:26
We ended up a mere 2 points from Europe and 9 from the CL. All of which could quite conceivably have been bridged if we had, just for once, hit the fucking ground running.
The money for Lescott is not the issue. We could have told City in June that unless they come up with £20m+ they can go fuck themselves. Instead we fought a pointless losing battle and wasted time we don;t have in buying and assimilating players and actually preparing for the season.
Dave W - I see your point and I'm not suggesting we sink to the level of agents with veiled threats. It's simple Dave. We have a business to run. That business depends on a number of factors, one of which is preparing for the next season and knowing who you will & won't have AND not getting distracted on things we can't control.
It's perfectly reasonable, having been in negotiations for a year now, to explain to Pienaar & his agent that the offer made is as far as we can go. If we are as far apart as this agent suggests, why waste time trying to bridge an unbridgeable gap? Pienaar is a vital player for us. We need to know if he will or will not be here next season. if not, we need to find a replacement. Time does not stand still.
It is entirely possible to be firm, even occasionally angry, in business without causing offence or stirring things up. Sometimes it even earns you more respect. If Pienaar is still holding out for £500k more p.a. than we can afford then it's simple, we sell him. He is easily worth £15m.
31 Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:00:49
Final word on Pienaar: It's all well & good making someone feel wanted and going the extra extra extra mile etc. But there comes a time when decisions have to be made. No emotion, for simple sporting and business reasons.
I think Pienaar has been made to feel as welcome and wanted as anybody could. He even admits that himself. But an £80m enterprise cannot be held to ransom or dangled by one individual. It's irrational nonsense.
This club cannot afford YET ANOTHER sumer fuck-about that disrupts the whole basis of our existence. We have to hit the ground running in 2010-11. That is the single overriding priority that should be consuming Kenwright & Moyes. if we do that, just for once, then with this squad, and possibly an addition or three, this season could be very interesting. if we don't we're fucked. Simple as that.
Arteta & Pienaar, along with Fellaini, are the heartbeat of this team. We can't compromise in this area. Pienaar has to sign or he has to go & be replaced - quickly.
32 Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:14:25
33 Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:10:05
You say "we could have told City in June that unless they come up with £20m+ they can go fuck themselves."
Do you really think they would have? The same scenario would have panned out - maybe worse. They would not have offered the £20m+ until the last day of the transfer window, and then we would have got NO replacements, as what happened when Rooney went. That is exactly what Man Utd did with Spurs over Berbatov; Spurs named their price early, but Utd didn't cough up until the last day of the window. At least we did get to spend the money this time before the window closed.
Yes Pienaar is easily worth £15m, but not with 1 year of his contract left, come on. But I agree with you we should now sell him. And sell him early. He would be greatly missed but not so much if we could use the money to at least part-fund a replacement such as Moutinho. I think Moyes is making enquiries about left-sided players at the moment, so this scenario could well pan out.
34 Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:28:22
I'll assume from the editing that Pienaar has been done to death.
35 Posted 29/05/2010 at 19:10:37
We were told there was money to spend to begin with.
If the bid for Kyle naughton hadnt been trumped by Arry, We`d have spent 6 million, should`nt the fact that we got 24 million for Lescot have meant we had 30 million to spend ?
By my reckoning, even after signing the players you name We should still have had 10 million to spend.
36 Posted 29/05/2010 at 20:54:41
Didn’t say that & if I had, I agree, it would have been ridiculous. Obviously we all have a lot to learn.
37 Posted 29/05/2010 at 22:26:55
38 Posted 29/05/2010 at 23:48:23
39 Posted 30/05/2010 at 08:39:03
40 Posted 31/05/2010 at 14:17:54
Now no valuations make sense to me!
41 Posted 31/05/2010 at 17:22:06
42 Posted 31/05/2010 at 23:05:56
43 Posted 31/05/2010 at 23:29:09
44 Posted 01/06/2010 at 17:48:07
Of course the absence of key players is a challenge. But 75% of sport is played in the head and, not for the first time, Moyes's head wasn't focused. You presumably missed the identical episode one year earlier. That time, it was him dragging out his contract talks for months and casting uncertainty & gloom within the squad.
Of course, you might be right. The focus and energy of our manager, and a focused & motivated pre-season, might have nothing whatsoever to do with how we start the season.
And you might be invited to take over when Moyes leaves. I mean, equally plausible/ridiculous.
45 Posted 01/06/2010 at 22:29:03
This lad has never shirked or hid in any game he has started for us. he has been the 'heartbeat' when Arteta and Co were injured; he rightfully got Player of the Season and he is now being castigated by some fans without all the facts being known. How can any fair-minded people give the Player of the Season such a shellacking without knowing ALL the facts?
EFC have said nowt... and they seem to be basking in the background as an employee takes all the flak. He was reported not so long ago as asking for parity with our top earners and, if that is the case, then I do not blame him. In my estimation, he is worth it!!
If, on the other hand, he wants more than we can afford, then that's another story... BUT until we know then it's not worth commenting on. I cannot understand how supposedly intelligent people can deface this column with vitriolic and spiteful comments without knowing the facts.
For my money, Peanuts is an integral part of our team and has performed far better than most. His workrate is very high and hasn't flagged at all unlike some others in the side!!! Give the man a fucking break!!
By the way, a few others are also 'negotiating' at the moment!!
46 Posted 02/06/2010 at 04:12:31
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