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Not such a Big Game?
Although we're doing our best to get on the hootin' tootin' bandwagon to Rustenburg in ramping up the tempo for this weekend's massive World Cup clash between England and the USA, I can't seem to suppress this nagging feeling that the game will inevitably be a disappointment. I shouldn't say it, but the first games in each group are usually cagey affairs, with no-one taking any risks, and either side often happy with a draw as that keeps their options open.
Don't get me wrong — the prospect of seeing Tim Howard and Landon Donovan show up the non-Everton dandies of England has me quite jazzed. Not that the USA are much to write home about — if anything, I think they are one of the poorer teams to watch in terms of entertaining football — or the lack thereof. But the prospect of an upset (if that is what a win for them would be) is too good to resist.
It would have been better perhaps to have them meet in the final group match with everything hanging on the result... although often things can already be decided by then, so the middle game might actually have been the best. But I hope the USA really do sense the wonderful opportunity to recreate the shocker from 60 years ago, when a bunch of semi-professional ex-pats playing under the USA flag wopped the Limeys 1-0 in Brazil. I hope this time they remember that victory, and go all out to 'stun' England!
So it's New World versus Old World — both geopolitically and in terms perhaps of the way football is going as the long slow ascent of the National USA side continues, supported by an equally slowly but consistently growing MLS.
Many Brits continue to underestimate the level of interest in real football (aka soccer — originally a very English word, BTW!) in the States, almost in spite of the number of American players that have featured in the Premier League over the last few years... and especially in the Royal Blue of Everton.
Soccer surpassed baseball as the Number 1 participation sport in the USA some years ago, and the TV coverage they have planned for this 2010 World Cup on ESPN (1 & 2) is way more than in previous years. It seems they may use even more English commentators who actually know what they are talking about.
I'm one of those Evertonians who have no affinity for the current players in the England squad, and far more interest in players who have a much more meaningful connection with my club — Everton. So, for me, it's GO USA!!!
Michael Kenrick Posted 09/06/2010 at
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2 Posted 09/06/2010 at 17:42:39
It's a funny old game!!
3 Posted 09/06/2010 at 18:24:25
4 Posted 09/06/2010 at 18:07:50
I know when Saturday comes, I’ll have a few beers or a couple of glasses of wine and cheer them on, but if Landon knocked a couple in? Well wouldn’t be the end of the world would it?
ps: Michael Kenrick, are you based in the States?
5 Posted 09/06/2010 at 18:27:17
6 Posted 09/06/2010 at 19:31:42
I'd rather cheer for some of these MLS guys whose bonus for playing in the World Cup ACTUALLY meant something to them despite being something like $25k.
7 Posted 09/06/2010 at 19:57:01
"Let's Be The Kings Of The Greatest Show On Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eM7oqLCyq4
8 Posted 09/06/2010 at 19:57:02
Engerland, first game – cagey, probably lose;
Engerland, second game – loss or draw at best
Engerland, third game – win and play like world beaters and scrape through group stage as 2nd.
Meet a decent side and get pumped, cue the arse-kissing journalists and any or all of the following:
It was the ball;
It was the ref;
It was the climate;
It was injuries and bad luck...
Not they were shite and failed in yet another tournament.
Well, my money, as in most World Cups, goes on Germany to get to the quarter finals and that's money in the bank.
9 Posted 09/06/2010 at 20:27:11
10 Posted 09/06/2010 at 20:33:33
By the end of the second game, England will have qualified. It's a done deal.
James Stewart, sorry, mate but I remember how many comments slagged off Howard in goal last season for his work on dealing with crosses into his box. Case closed on that one.
Today in the "Mail online" the guy was chatting about how most people in the media were down-playing the England squad and how miserable everyone seems to be about our prospects. I thought this was a true reflection and for once I was happy with this.
England probably won't win the World Cup but by Christ whilst I'm English then I don't give a toss who plays for them — I'll be behind them all the way as I am for whom ever plays for Everton.
"Don't get me wrong — the prospect of seeing Tim Howard and Landon Donovan show up the non-Everton dandies of England has me quite jazzed. Not that the USA are much to write home about — if anything, I think they are one of the poorer teams to watch in terms of entertaining football — or the lack thereof. But the prospect of an upset (if that is what a win for them would be) is too good to resist."
Sorry Michael, but you sometimes you just can't defeat patriotism. That particular piece of comment had me rolling on the floor. Never mind, the Yanks will be great until they look at the score after 90 mins.
COME ON YOU ENGLAND
11 Posted 09/06/2010 at 21:39:34
Incidentally I've just spent a fortune on a new Toshiba TV and if England win the World Cup, I get my money back.
COME ON ENGLAND!
(I'm not holding my breath!)
12 Posted 09/06/2010 at 21:38:41
13 Posted 09/06/2010 at 22:08:11
I couldn't give a shit how Tim Howard or Donovan do for America — hope they do really badly. Same goes for Cahill, Pienaar etc... Premier League starts again in August.
14 Posted 09/06/2010 at 22:22:52
I would love it if Landon creams that money grabbing Ashley Cole. Despite saying that, I expect England to scrape a win and the Hype to reach mega proportions.
15 Posted 09/06/2010 at 22:30:31
Anyone of the Americans seen Time Magazine's World Cup feature? Written by a blue and keeps sneaking our players in. His four players to watch? David Villa, Gianluigi Buffon, Steven Pienaar and Tim Howard. Brilliant Agent Elliott, nice work.
Gavin, are you English? If not, then your bitterness is quite amusing, if you are, then your self-hating is pathetic.
As I mentioned on another thread, I agree with Tim (13). I support Everton, not their individual players. I hope all our lads go out in the group stage and get home early, safe and sound, for a nice rest and good start to pre-season feeling like they've got something to prove. I hope England fight tooth and nail all the way through and win the final after extra time, with all their players knackered, mentally exhausted, and lacking any kind of motivation or ambition for next season having achieved world football's ultimate goal. Then the 24-year-rule would be even more absolutely definitely guaranteed to come to fruition than it is now.
16 Posted 09/06/2010 at 22:34:04
Ireland should be in South Africa now rather than the cheating French. Fifa's ridiculous seedings mean that qualifiers are a non-contest in which average countries like Bosnia, Belgium, Poland and Northern ireland have no chance of qualifying.
17 Posted 09/06/2010 at 23:01:08
I am Everton first, England second, but Everton aren't playing in the World Cup.
Do I think England can win the World Cup? Yes
Do I think England will win the World Cup? No, Brazil will.
Do I think Everton will win the Premier League next season? No, but I will still support them.
18 Posted 09/06/2010 at 23:14:44
You probably missed it, but we had an extensive discussion of this topic the other week, with a wide range of positions from English Evertonians... and the usual problems that creates for individuals who think we should all be like sheep, saying and doing exactly the same.
David (#3): Yes, I'm currently working in the US.
Mike (#14); I kinda like your scenario of all the Everton players returning early and fresh, with England winning and debilitating the Sky4 stars in the process, opening the way for a good end run on the title! Yes!!! But we all have to believe!!!
19 Posted 09/06/2010 at 23:48:43
As Ireland didn't make make it I'll be watching dispassionately, but I don't know what the feck I'm going to do if England meet France...
20 Posted 10/06/2010 at 00:34:04
England seem to me to represent all I despise about football. I have many friends who are British to the core who would be glad to see England lose to a team of Nazi war criminals. I think there is a serious article to be written about this topic if anyone feels like taking it up.
21 Posted 10/06/2010 at 00:41:31
22 Posted 09/06/2010 at 23:51:13
I'm looking forward to the festival of football, as a football lover, not because the media/Walkers/Mars bars tell me I should. I hope there's no shit over there involving Engerland fans, or any other idiots... but I'm looking forward to it inspite of also liking this website.
23 Posted 10/06/2010 at 00:44:40
Unlike much of the media, I really can't see England passing the QF, and possibly even last 16. Looking forward to Landon, TC and Pienaar bigging it up for EFC. Have resigned myself to Pienaar going. Once SA are out of the tournament we should make our position clear and not wait for him. Sign or be sold. This next pre-season is CRITICAL. We cannot afford any shit this time; zero tolerance.
As for WC; Spain and Brazil to shine. Holland and Argentina not far behind. Dark horses USA (yes) and Ivory Coast. Slumdogs... France and, sadly, England.
24 Posted 10/06/2010 at 00:55:23
25 Posted 10/06/2010 at 00:56:20
26 Posted 10/06/2010 at 01:15:12
BTW, I don't think it was wrong Jagielka wasn't picked. He wasn't exactly world-class upon his return from injury (he did well considering, but it was not the Jags we know and love).
Would you really have wanted Rodwell in the squad, to be tapped up and off to Utd or Co? Besides, he did well last season, but not enough for a place in a World Cup squad.
I'm gutted Anichebe hasn't gone tho. Thought it would have been great to see him at international level and to play 2/3 games on the trot, it could have really improved him.
27 Posted 10/06/2010 at 02:07:26
I hate the national team and would love to see them fall at the first hurdle. Hence I am hoping Howard and Donovan play well. Not that I will be watching any England matches anyway. Life is too short. The arrogance of the England fans and team is disgusting.
We go into every major tournament expecting to win. No chance, the current England squad is probably the worst for over a decade.
As for being an Evertonian and cheering any team with Gerrard as captain well.... I simply can't even contemplate it.
28 Posted 10/06/2010 at 06:12:50
So I naturally predict Les Blues will not make it out of their pathetically easy group. England will crash at the quarters, the States will make it to the semis...
29 Posted 10/06/2010 at 08:07:06
30 Posted 10/06/2010 at 08:51:52
But... Euro 2004, Rooney's cheerleaders in the Sky Press and the lovely Manc players like Rio, the self-professed Scouse hating Chuckle Brother engineering his move to OT, started to turn me off the national team. Allied with the whole Ingurlland tabloid hype, the scummy players — Stevie Me, Fat Frank, Cashley, 'JT', Rio The Merk and a host of others. Greedy dull Sven, Stcheeevev McLaren... I'd given up completely and took no interest in England's performances in the last few tournaments.
I really thought under Capello that things would improve. This time the hype has lessened, and the players are not the ones running the show but... same old, same old. The same bunch of over-hyped, over-rated players. I'll watch, hope it's a great tournament, but not arsed about England one way or the other any more — which is a shame as I think my national team has sort of been stolen from me.
Whatever... I know I'll get slated for it by some but it's how I feel. And for the World Cup, I know they have an ageing squad... but my money is on on Italy for the Semi-Final.
31 Posted 10/06/2010 at 09:30:59
If it was Everton, I'd be delirious or distraught!
I hope England do well DESPITE Stevie Gee. I hope he gets sent off first game for looking at the ref in his snide way! I wish he was French!
32 Posted 10/06/2010 at 10:01:24
Not that I am unpatriotic but I do feel our overpaid, egotistical, money gabbing shaggers like Terry and Cashley Cole need to be given a "bloody nose" early on in the tournament to make them realize that they are not there just to just pick up the money and the publicity but that they are there to do a job and represent the nation.
I am already pissed off about the amount of hype surrounding this mediocre and aging England team** — and the fuckin' wags that court the limelight. And our media are already making all the same old mistakes, building us up before a disappointing fall. And if I see Terry Venables doing his pub singer bit one more time I'm gonna kick the tele in ! So frigin crass.
** Oldest average age team in the tournament and also the oldest average age England team since 1966, I think.
33 Posted 10/06/2010 at 10:32:25
34 Posted 10/06/2010 at 10:51:58
35 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:12:09
There are thousands of goals scored because the players have dived and won a penalty or even a free kick and a goal’s been scored, or a player’s jumped offside, or turned the defender and scored. It’s all part of football, some decisions go for you, some go against, but according to the British press Maradonna ranks up there with Hitler, Vlad the impaler, Jack the Ripper et al, and forget that he was the greatest footballer of his time and scored one of the all time great WC goals.
Oh BTW Conor, if I remember rightly, there was a French player in an offside position when they took the free kick, so you can be doubly pissed off.
36 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:14:33
"I will be supporting England because I am English. I will be supporting Steven Gerard, because he plays for England. I am Everton first, England second, but Everton aren't playing in the World Cup."
The number of English club supporters (not just us I may add) who have this weird anti-England attitude is as disappointing as it is perplexing. I bet all you moaning types will be saying what a great team England is and what great support you gave should the admittedly highly unlikely England World Cup winners scenario come about!
37 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:19:46
Just shows how perception can be different. I'd say the opposite. We go into every tournament with naysayers like you telling us we're just not good enough, our players aren't 'technical' and other countries are amazing, even though this is rarely the opinion in those other countries. I remember how Holland were going to teach us a lesson in football in Euro '96.
We go into every tournament with a decent chance of winning, and haven't managed to do it yet. Occasionally we've just not been good enough, and when we have been good enough, we get a man sent off, lose on penalties or go out to the eventual winners. It's often a combination of two of those factors.
The overwhelming negativity about England is people bottling out. They used to support the team in the past, in their younger, more innocent days, and now they find excuses not to because the team doesn't do as well as they'd like. I've used the word a few times, and I'll use it again because I mean it, it's pathetic.
38 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:28:59
Seriously? So cheating's okay as long as the referee makes a bad decision? Just get on with it? No, if there's an injustice it should be shouted from the rooftops, over and over and over again. History should record that whoever won, or achieved something, did so unfairly, everybody should know. Don't get over it.
39 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:33:28
40 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:33:10
Whether you like England or not, you are talking utter rubbish, I can't imagine there are even many people in Algeria who expect a draw from the game.
41 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:14:48
Let's face it, if we sold everyone and bought Luton Town's squad to replace them, I'd support them too, because they'd be Everton.
If we'd signed Ronaldinho, Ferdinand, Ronaldo and Ashley Cole, we'd all have been doing somersaults, despite the fact that they're self-interested, big-headed, self-centred arseholes. I think the only people we'd struggle to support in the blue of Everton would be Gerrard, Bellamy, Robbie Savage and personally for me Lucas (what a dick he is).
42 Posted 10/06/2010 at 11:53:40
43 Posted 10/06/2010 at 13:30:12
44 Posted 10/06/2010 at 13:45:35
45 Posted 10/06/2010 at 13:56:56
Since you brought up '96, I can appreciate the team played well that year and were close. The current lot is nowhere near as good as that squad.
Why we are talked about as possible winners is beyond me. Let's not forget, this will be a team with probably David James in Goal and Heskey up front. That's Pathetic.
46 Posted 10/06/2010 at 14:22:25
47 Posted 10/06/2010 at 16:04:15
That feels better.
48 Posted 10/06/2010 at 18:42:22
49 Posted 11/06/2010 at 04:25:49
But were I English... I would find it strange to hear fellow English lads not supporting England. But you seem to have your reasons.
Here's hoping for a magic tournament that will eat up some time before the real football starts again: the league!
50 Posted 11/06/2010 at 05:07:05
Americans often think soccer as a secondary sport.
It won't be Saturday. Everyone I know is watching. This is simply huge for American soccer.
I hope we kick the shit out of England frankly.
51 Posted 11/06/2010 at 10:05:10
Mike Allison #38 — spot on: cheaters, divers etc all need to be vilified for their behaviour on the pitch.
Oh and btw, I hold Maradona as THE greatest player of all time, with Messi a strong potential successor.
52 Posted 11/06/2010 at 10:44:26
53 Posted 11/06/2010 at 14:27:59
Your "Apologists" post was classic TW.
With this, you have refused to jump aboard the "Englund" bandwagon. Keep saying it as you see it - it makes great reading and is very refreshing.
54 Posted 11/06/2010 at 19:53:05
"BTW, I don't think it was wrong Jagielka wasn't picked. He wasn't exactly world-class...."
And Carragher is? Also Jagielka is more versatile because he can play as leftback or rightback as cover if needed.
55 Posted 11/06/2010 at 22:40:51
Now for England, would be a nice team to watch but we and the whole world still have to put up with 1966. For Jayz sake drop it — that happened 44 years ago. Ye truly have some very gifted footballers but my tip will win the World Cup — Argentina.
56 Posted 12/06/2010 at 10:22:53
I was gutted when the Irish and the Scots went out of the qualifiers, but listening to them and the Welsh this week makes me pleased they all failed to qualify.
The World Cup is something aside from the tribalism of the EPL and I want Gerrard and Rooney to show the world that this city (OUR city) can, has and will continue to produce world class players.
England must be the only country in the world that has a significent number of its people actually wanting them to lose.
57 Posted 12/06/2010 at 21:24:39
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1 Posted 09/06/2010 at 17:27:27
I'd love Everton to win the PL next year, but I don't think we will. Doesn't mean I'm not an Evertonian or that my negativity will somehow have an adverse effect on our chances... does it?