ToffeeWeb - Season 2009-10

Kunal Desai
1 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:04:27

And who would blame him? .... He gets fucked over year after year after year. He deserves better!

David Rodaway
2 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:09:35

My bet is Man Shitty have been in contact with the bank who will ultimately force our hand to sell.

The club doesn’t have many assets and whilst it's great to have players signing long-term deals, they will depreciate in value.

It's a sad state of affairs really.

Rob Murphy
3 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:12:39

I have taken it upon myself to speak for all of us here and it needs very little explanation — MARK HUGHES, FUCK RIGHT OFF YEAH!!

Dan Parker
4 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:16:23

It means we’re not interested, have told them so but Man City and Hughes have no respect and won’t give up. My opinion of Man City and Mark Hughes has propelled my disliking of them to above Man U which is saying something! They should shut up and sod off.

Liam Reilly
5 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:13:12

I’d say he’s referring to Lescott himself. His head has already been turned so I reckon it’d be foolish to keep him now... provided Moyes gets all the proceeds to invest in the team.

Karl Jones
6 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:13:10

I think he’s talking about agents and banks putting pressure on us to accept the money. The tactics are becoming unacceptable. Everton should now get the FA involved. You couldn't get a more disrespectful statement to a manager of a football club than that. Moyes must feel like giving him a slap.

Andy Hegan
7 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:15:07

It's quite simple. Hughes has shown breathtaking arrogance and disregard for a fellow manager.

He made comments last week along the lines of, "I could just phone David Moyes up and he would say no and that would be the end of it but you need to get around the table with the people who make the final decision and speak to them", and now he follows it up with this. This should have made the headlines but was simply unnoticed by most blues. Everton's Board of Directors had better back Moyes over this or I for one have bought my last season ticket.

Under no circumstances should we sell to this classless, trailer trash outfit. Personally although it would spell disaster for the club, I hope Moyes walks if this is the case.

Dave Lynch
8 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:28:03

It basicaly means they are going to sign Lescott.

Alex Kociuba
9 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:35:41

The whole saga is put nicely on this Everton blog..

http://missingalbion.blogspot.com/2009/08/joleon-question-three-sides-to-story.html

Brian Williams
10 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:40:31

It means Hughes dosesn’t know, or doesn’t accept, that David Moyes has the yes or no last word on the sale of players. He doesn’t understand this because HE (Hughes) doesn’t have that and never will.

He’s trying to actually go over the head of David Moyes and I, like every other Evertonian knows, know that if Lescott is sold against Moyes’s wishes then we’ll be missing a centre-back AND a manager!

The tactics Hughes is using are despicable beyond belief. Classless doesn’t cover it!

Ciarán McGlone
11 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:44:52

Perhaps it actually means what it says...

Ciarán McGlone
12 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:45:42

My bet is Man Shitty have been in contact with the bank who will ultimately force our hand to sell.
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Oh jesus christ....I’ve officially heard it all now.

Tony Waring
13 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:07:14

Mark Hughes is obviously a prize twit. I just hope DM sticks to his guns and hangs on to Lescott. We really need him given our present defensive situation, and as has already been said, if Lescott goes I would’nt be surprised if Moyses follows........if any team could affoprd him !

Andy Codling
14 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:08:40

"My bet is Man Shitty have been in contact with the bank who will ultimately force our hand to sell."

So David Rothaway , you think Mark Hughes has been in touch with Evertons banks and discussed our loans and payments and said to the bank, "they really need to sell Lescott to do something about these figures"??

Yeah right!!!!!!!

Eddy Grundy
15 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:06:46

I’m past the point where I care if J.L stays or goes but if he signs for City, he needs a reality check, because he will be there longer than Mark Hughes. When Hughes gets the bullet, Joleon may find the new manager might not rate him so highly and he may be forced to polish the bench.
Would I boo him when we play against him? Wouldn’t waste my breadth.

Ray Burn
16 Posted 13/08/2009 at 16:59:10

I agree entirely with that blog.

Mark Hughes is so utterly out of his depth over there that it beggars belief - and this provides me with the tiny glimmer of hope that I still retain that we may, just may, be able to finish 4th or 5th again.

Untold billions, and he’s tickled around and prevaricated with offers of £15M, £18M and maybe back in with a £20-£22M ’last offer’. This for a player he is supposed to have deemed ’essential’.

If ’Honest ’Arry was in charge of City I can imagine the phone call to Moyes thus:

HR: "Awight Moysey ’ow much for Lescott"

DM: "Not for sale"

HR: "OK £25M"

DM: "Not for sale"

HR: "£30M"

DM: "How many ti.."

HR: "£35 Million and that’s me final offer"

"Throw in Jo and we’ll have a deal"

"Your a cheeky so ’n’ so Moyesy. Done. I’ll throw in Richards n’ round it up to £40M for being such a diamond"

Hughes on the other hand...if he thinks he looks canny or responsible, then he as deluded and ridiculous as he is out of his depth. Infact he looks as much of a twat as Bill Gates would if he collected McDonalds extra fries coupons and flew EasyJet.

Ian Butler
17 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:25:00

Fuck it, time to stop this shit. Full on fight between Hughes and DM, winner takes all, no holds barred. Hughes was an aggressive little shitester as a player but I would back Moyes to twat him one.

Marc Williams
18 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:12:57

It’s quite simple: Moyes doesn’t want to sell whilst Kenright does at a certain price. He has to... as, if we get a proper offer, his ’ghost backers’ will tell him in no uncertain terms what to do.

That’s what happen’s when you mortgage all your assets & rely on money from business backers - you eventually loose control of your business & can no longer control events.

I’m going to enjoy the moment as Kenwright is caught on ’the hook’ of his own mis-management and bullshit here and can no longer square the circle. Either he somehow stops his ’hard-nosed’ business buddies getting a return (unlikely as by all accounts he’s alienated them of late) or breaks his promise to Moyes (not to force him to sell players).

Backed into a corner, he’s no doubt ’gone to ground’ as he always does when pressured.

It’s PRICLESS but will not do our team's chances or our hopes of progression any good.

WATCH THIS SPACE!!!

Alan Kirwin
19 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:24:05

"I’ll tell you what I think it means, they haven’t got to speak to Billy Bullshit and once they do, they know he’l cream himself when he hears £20M and Lescott will be gone."

Where do yo get your news from Simon?

Kenwright spoke to Cook (City’s wanker of a CEO) a week ago and read the riot act, i.e. LESCOTT IS NOT FOR SALE. You may have noticed that we’ve also turned down an official written request too. Why do you think we’ve done that?

Hughes is behaving like an arrogant fuckwit. I used to respect him but he’s lost touch with the real world & any sense of decency since the Sheikh landed.

If Hughes was still at Blackburn and Alex Ferguson was publicly briefing media in the way that Hughes is over Lescott then Hughes would be apapleptic.

Hughes and City have been working on Lescott and his agent for many months. They know that Lescott wants the move and his agent definitely wants the move. It is actually starting to intrigue me as much as irritate the fuck out of me as to what lengths City, Lescott and his agent will go to in order to break a contract that has almost 4 years left to run. I’m actualy wondering if some "other action" may be planned here, not quite a strike, but something along those lines.

And meanwhile the Premier League & FA just look on and do fuck all. It’s an obscene state of affairs. Are you aware that even City fans are posting on their own fanzines and even the BBC suggesting they back off and give it up as it’s making them look what they actually are, stupidly rich arrogant tossers.

Alan Kirwin
20 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:35:10

Oh no, I’ve just read David Rodaway’s post...

Well that’s it. I thought I’d read every preposterously paranoid made up scare story imaginable on ToffeeWeb. But I hadn’t.

David, get help.

Simon Kirwan
21 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:40:13

Newcastle have just received £4M bid for Duff by unamed prem club. I got a strange feeling it's us ... foolish I know!

Alan Clarke
22 Posted 13/08/2009 at 17:43:33

Why are City taking the piss out of us with this? They were quite willing to pay way over the odds for Tevez, Adebayor and Toure but when it comes to us they’re patronisingly upping their bid by £1 million each time. If these fuckers are as rich as they say they are why don’t they just stump up the £30 million and fuck off?

Alan Clarke
23 Posted 13/08/2009 at 18:01:31

Where’ve you heard that Simon?

Phil Bellis
24 Posted 13/08/2009 at 18:50:41

Banner in the Lower Gwladys on Saturday:
"Hughes...what part of Fuck Off! don’t you understand?"

Jeremy Benson
25 Posted 13/08/2009 at 18:54:33

"T’s quite simple: Moyes doesn’t want to sell whilst Kenwright does at a certain price. He has to... as, if we get a proper offer, his ’ghost backers’ will tell him in no uncertain terms what to do."

Sorry Marc, but you’re being unfair to BK. Moyes is a manager, Kenwright is a business man.

We SHOULD sell Lescott for a bid that is financially unbelievable (and actually, £22 million is).

You can’t have it every which way — you can’t have BK as buffoon, yet castigate him for being a good businessman and grasping £20+ million. The smart businessman, would accept that.

Sorry, but that's the way it is. Some people are just so anti-BK they can’t see the wood for the trees.

Guy Hastings
26 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:11:58

After watching Barry last night, Lescott might think twice about joining a side with that dozy twat playing in front of him.

Nick Entwistle
27 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:21:30

Jeremy, Kenwright should have the money in place so that he should turn away from £22m. Only, he’s mortgaged it away.

Mark Jardell
28 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:16:07

Here’s a conspiracy if ever I came up with one...

Moyes actually wants to Lescott to be sold.. behind his back.. over his head!

And here’s why... it’ll give him an excuse to leave after 7 years of no help from the board.. most fans will agree with him leaving and would still be thankfull for his 7 great years.. Moyes knows the Utd job is up for grabs soon and Fergusson would probably give him an assistants role or something for a year or two until he can take over.. Everton would still get 22 million.. Lescott will get his dream move to the footballing dynasty that is Manchester City.. everyone will still think Man City is a twat.. everyone will still think Mark Hughs is a Twat.. but nevertheless all the blame will fall on Kenwright.. he’ll get booted out following fan unrest.. a billionaire will come buy us.. we’ll turn into Man City.. we’ll buy Lescott back.. and Rooney... who thinks Moyes, his manager to be, is a twat!

Aiden Doyle
29 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:37:31

Ronaldo clearly wanted a move to Madrid last season but there was no way that Alex Ferguson was selling until the time was right for United. However, things like Ramón Calderón’s claims, Ronaldo’s trade-marking of CR9 etc suggest that an agreement was reached at that time, even though the move wasn’t finalised until this summer.

Our lack of defensive options mean that the time’s definitely not right for us either. Similarly, it’s not inconceivable that Everton & City they could come to a similar pre-arrangement, allowing Lescott to move next summer, when we’ll be better placed to withstand his departure. I’m not sure whether FA rules would permit it, but it would make sense, for example, for City to make a modest down-payment now (non-refundable, naturally) then have the option of completing the purchase next summer.

It seems to me that pretty much everybody would get their wishes if something along those lines were to go ahead. We wouldn’t even have to worry about Lescott’s motivation throughout the season – as well as fighting for a World Cup place, he need to maintain his standards to persuade Mark Hughes to part with the rest of the cash so he can have his bumper pay day.

Peter Griffin
30 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:44:29

Simon - I’ve heard the Duff rumour, linking him with us. It’s confirmed on Sky that they have received a bid from a prem club but more likely blackburn or bolton than us. Doesn’t quite fit in with our new "bright young things" policy at 30 and a quoted 4million.

Marc Williams
31 Posted 13/08/2009 at 19:38:52

Jeremy Benson - You’ve missed the point, I’m NOT the one one who wants it both ways, Kenright is as his ’smoke & mirrors’ show is coming back to ensnare him.

Moyes has said he does NOT want to sell, Kenright has been forced to publically back him. However he’s so in hock to his ’ghost backers’ that he’s NOT in a position to guarantee this as the final say won’t be his.

He’s said and done every trick to cling onto control of this club but NOT ONLY has he mortgaged all the clubs assets he’ll shortly find out he’s effectivly mortgaged his own position/control.

I’ve NOT characterised him as a buffoon BUT he is out of his depth & the real business deceisions, like the sale of Joleon, will be taken by his backers who put up the money.

Hopefully when this happens the penny may finally drop with more on here as to the parlous state his actions have left our club in.

David Barks
32 Posted 13/08/2009 at 20:08:15

"I’ll tell you what I think it means, they haven’t got to speak to Billy Bullshit and once they do, they know he’l cream himself when he hears £20M and Lescott will be gone."

Right, because Kenwright hasn’t heard the club rejecting the previous bids and hasn’t read a single newspaper that talks about an incoming bid of 20+ million. Honestly, do people not think before they post these things? You think Kenwright has no idea about these transfer negotiations? You think that once they talk to him he’ll say, "My word, I had no idea you were trying to buy Lescott, and for 20 million no less!! Well I’ll take that deal. Thank you."

Dan Parker
33 Posted 13/08/2009 at 21:07:21

Slight contradiction. If we trust Moyes, why are we saying we should sell him. Moyes doesn’t want to sell him and says no-one is leaving. Davey knows what’s best, he’s done alright so far!

Chris Jones
34 Posted 13/08/2009 at 21:23:32

Fuck me, so many conspiracies and sub-plots, it’s like an episode of West Wing.

Personally I can’t wait for Saturday - back in the blue arms of Goodison. I’m missed the crippled old beautiful bitch!

Eric Myles
35 Posted 13/08/2009 at 21:30:14

It’s not the bank that will make the decision that Hughes is talking about but the guys like Green and the Grantchesters that have been bankrolling the Club who might just want a return on their investment.

Jay Harris
36 Posted 13/08/2009 at 21:53:03

Putting the money and politics aside for a minute one of the major reasons Moyes does not want to sell is that it will undermine us and weaken the squad while strengthening what is potentially one of our biggest rivals to the top 4 and Europa places.

All those people who say we can replace him with a £5 million centre-half are not being real look at the pissing about with Senderos because Arsenal value him at £6 million...

West Ham are quoting £12 million for Upson and he’s not fit to lick Lescott’s boots. The other none sky 4 decent CB’s are either retired or injured. Woodgate, Laursen etc.

In fact the only decent centre half who may be available at a reasonable price is Gary Cahill at Bolton but even they have been reinforcing their squad.

I also sincerely hope we’re not in for Duff as he was not the same player after he left Chelsea.

Coming back to money and politics I cant understand why we bid £5 million for Naughton and yet cant find a bean for any other deal.

Was that another Ghost bid?

Jonathan Bradley
37 Posted 13/08/2009 at 22:26:32

"Was that another Ghost bid? "

I dont think so, but I do think Moyes has been burned by the failure of that deal, as well as watching the likes of Spurs and Sunderland busily inflating the demands of players they are after. Once upon a time, players who had something to prove but who also had undoubted ability would have been on Moyes’s radar (as Senderos appears to be). This season, however, those players (thanks to the likes of Spurs, Sunderland, City and a few others) seem less willing to take a pay cut in order to rebuild their reputations.

If we take Cana as an example, he left OM under a bit of a cloud (which is why they got Mbia in and sold him for £5 million) and yet Bruce was more than happy to pay him sixty grand a week. We cannot afford to compete with that, even for our best players (and given our + the current global financial situation, we should not try to compete with it).

Moyes’s other hunting ground for players was, of course, the lower leagues - and yet the prices there have, for this season at least, gone stupid as well. As good a player as Naughton is, its worth remembering (as has probably been pointed out already) that in 2007 we paid Sheffield Utd £4 million for their best player, one who had spent a season in the premiership and had played in total 254 games for them. We were expecting to pay more than that for someone who had played 40 games in the Championship, and indeed he (and Walker) were sold for £10 million. Delph, who has never played higher than Division 1, was sold for £8 million.

Gareth Hughes
38 Posted 13/08/2009 at 22:37:32

I’ve just heard ’Big Sam’ saying that he has been told by his Chairman no more money to spend. If, as I suspect, Moyes has no money to spend, why has he not spelt out the reality in similar stark fashion to us fans? I supect the answer is that he is complicit in the Kenwright smoke and mirrors courtesy of a hugely lucrative contract.

If Moyes does have cash, even a very limited amount, then his failure to add players and recent whinging about ’not being ready for the new seaSon’ (deja vu there!) is criminally incompetent. Basically, Moyes has a lot to answer for whether he has a transfer budget or not. I despise what direction Kenwright is taking our club in and fully appreciate Moyes’ great efforts but he is not blameless. If Lescott goes, will Moyes have the principles to resign? Or will he carry on with his reputation and credibility fatally flawed?

Marco Buonfiglio
39 Posted 13/08/2009 at 23:58:24

Let’s try this one out: Hughes (scripted by ManC suits - as he has been all the way through this farrago) has trotted out the formula about ’talking to the relevant people at Everton’ in an attempt to psyche the Moyes camp and stroke the Lescott camp.

Divide and conquer. Learnt from Real Madrid. Moyes has learnt from Darth Ferg. He’ll have told Lescott about WC2010. If he plays there and plays well, he can go anywhere he likes, and Everton can get more than £22M. One more season out of him: that’s the formula Darth Ferg demanded from His Gelness.

My own foible about loyalty to the team was shattered by Carsley. Moyes — and everyone — wanted him to stay, but Carsley moved because of family circumstances. Not money; family circumstances. That’s loyalty. And I look forward to Everton v Birmingham City, and the reception that GP gives to the likes of Lee Carsley, whatever colour shirt he’s in.

That’s Everton.

John Hunt
40 Posted 14/08/2009 at 03:11:07

I just hope Tim Cahill is right and Lescott truly is a ’model pro’. Remember when we found ourselves in a similar situation with Gary Speed in 1998? He put in a transfer request, but Kendall rejected a series of bids from Newcastle. Then Speed simply refused to play for the club, effectively going ’on strike’ until he got a move. That forced Kendall’s hand and he was forced to sell.
The one silver lining with that is; look where Newcastle are now. Let’s hope that’s Man City in a few years.

Kristian Boyce
41 Posted 14/08/2009 at 07:11:43

To go along with the original letter, saw this on the Mirror site earlier:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-City-go-over-head-of-David-Moyes-to-sign-Everton-defender-Joleon-Lescott-article113925.html

It's the Mirror, so probably false, but the naming of Pini Zahavi does make it an interesting read. The Israeli ’super’ agent is buddy buddy with a certain Sir Phillip Green — Kenwright's puppet master.

Craig Taylor
42 Posted 14/08/2009 at 08:53:53

Sorry if this has been mentioned, I haven't read the whole thread, but what does he mean by ’......deal continues...’???

What fucking deal? We haven't accepted a bid or the transfer request (as far as we are told) so there isn’t a deal. So how can a deal that doesn't exist 'continue'?

What a dick. And to think he once wore the Royal Blue shirt of our great club.

Mike Oates
43 Posted 14/08/2009 at 12:21:30

According to reports, City have enlisted Korrichban and Panavi the top agents to get at Kenwright, Green and Earl to convince them of the need to take the £20M.

Whatever you believe as regards the details, I’m absolutely convinced that City are getting at our "backers". Can you imagine what it's going to be like at Goodison when City arrive — particularly if Lescott goes. Mind you, I’m of the opinion that if Lescott goes so will Moyes.

When the hell are Scudamore and the FA going to act over City’s behaviour?

Matt Garen
44 Posted 14/08/2009 at 13:19:13

I tell you where they are Mike, rubbing their grubby litte hands with the excitement that Shittey are now going to increase the chances of Sky and Andy Gray cumming in their pants at a top 5 race to the champions league. The Premier League dont give a fuck how Shittey or in fact Taggart at Manure do their transfer dealings. Read with note today that manure are in trouble for tapping up the Italy under 16 captain.

Anyway, enough of them. I have read throughout the summer the arguement and counter-arguement about the Lescott saga and the lack of incoming names. It strikes me that Lescott would like to go, but also knows by staying he is guaranteed first choice all season and in world cup year that is crucial. He wont have that guarantee at Eastlands, because come January Hughes will either be sacked or they will bid about £400m for Terry if they arent in the top 4. He can survive on 40k a week and trust me, he wont give a fuck if a few people boo him. For this reason I believe he will stay. ( Unless they decide to throw in Jo, Petrov and Onoura or Richards ) !!! Plus he covers Baines now Nuno has gone

We would need 2 centre backs to cover losing him anyway, Jags recovery wont be until end November and Yobo going to African nations cup in January. On transfers in, I dont know who, but you would think that by saving approx 60k a week in wages of AVDM, Nuno and Castillo there is room for one big signing. I think Moyes knows that a RB is a priority so that will be one surely ?

Peter Griffin
45 Posted 14/08/2009 at 13:58:01

I can’t wait for the match tomorrow and when it’s over we can talk about performances etc. instead of that slimey jellyfish Hughes and the whole JL saga.

He will play tomorrow. I was at Malaga when people were singing his name and applauding his every touch. He looked ashamed, like he knew he was in the wrong and bowed his head. I expect him to behave similarly tomorrow. I’m not criticising the way he behaved, I think he done the right thing and as the players have said he will carry on playing for us unless he’s sold. I hope he stays, even after the request. I was told he questioned Moyes about what are plans were for the summer and said he felt City had a better chance of getting in the CL. I hope we prove him wrong.

Ciarán McGlone
46 Posted 14/08/2009 at 15:27:47

People who are jumping to conclusions about Mark Hughes would do well to watch the interview...

Nothing wrong in what he says at all....we now know he hasn’t actually talked to Moyes yet...so it’s quite possible it was him he’s refering to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8200315.stm

Ray Roche
47 Posted 14/08/2009 at 18:22:20

John Hunt, I’m sorry that yet another blue has got this story wrong. Speed was stitched up, he never wanted to leave, he was fed up with the drinking culture that Kendall brought to the club and made the mistake of saying so. Speed has never said a bad word about Everton since he left. He never "refused to play for the club" either. Get your facts right before slagging off a true blue and REAL model pro.