I just ask that you try please to avoid tearing virtual flesh out of each-other in your frustration and anger. The "positivists" have sadly been well and truly shown up for their naive optimism, while even the worst fears of the doom & gloom merchants has been vindicated with interest. Only an idiot would suggest any Evertonian is happy with that result.

A very, very sad day for Everton FC.

I have had enough of this shite!

And well done to all those Evertonians who decided to voice their disapproval by singing "Everton" when the final whistle blew. Baldrick now thinks it was a good result.

Worse than that though, the team spirit wasnt there, clearly the Lescott saga has sapped the team spirit. It's no coincidence that we haven't conceeded 6 goals for many a year, but we do now when nobody in the side has any faith/ trust in the so-called leader of the back 4. I'm not blaming Lescott for any of the goals but collectively you can see that nobody trusts him.

Lescott needs to go ASAP, Taylor et al need to be bought in and the team spirit needs to be rebuilt.

Personally, and I know this is a little harsh but I am absolutely furious with Moyes for not having this side ready, signings or not. We should be chomping at the bit to get this season going, but no, in true Everton fashion, nobody looks arsed and we’re bottom of the league.....

2. Nothing new here, but the right side of our team is fucking diabolical. People may say this is typical Hibbert/Osman bashing but today I counted at least three shite crosses from good positions by Hibbert. I didnt see Osman.

3. Jo is fucking useless, I thought this last year, I just do not rate the bloke. To me, he offers nothing. Admittedly he was starved of any type of service today but I just dont feel he’s gonna make it.

4. Now I know this is state the obvious time, we are fucking desperate for some pace. Either on the wings or up front.

5. Finally, someone needs to be held to account over the lack of transfer activity. Be it Moyes or Kenwright, we need to know the truth. Call me cynical, but the timing of today's rumours that we are about to sign two players struck me as a bit convenient. Was this rumour leaked to quell any disquiet at today's game?

6. I need to get a life.

Yes, it was nice to win against the yanks this year but as usual we played so shite that I doubt if any yanks will be inspired to follow Everton in the future. I don't care what anyone says, the apathy starts from the top; it's happened more often than not in the past few years and it's only when we get tonked for the first 5 matches of the season that they wake up — so whose fault is that?

Sell Lescott and use as much of that money as we can to "strengthen" if that's the right word. I also thought Moyes was mistaken in taking off Jo. He should have kept him on when Saha came on and taken off someone else.

That's what pisses me off with Moyes, he is too damn defensive-minded when we play at home. His whole raison detre seems to be to avoid defeat rather than be expansive and attack-minded, but I do acknowledge this obviously has something to do with our lack of money for decent signings. However, when we play at home, you expect your side to have a go at the opposition, not the other way around.

Thankfully for us, Arshavin didn't see that much of the ball, otherwise it could have been even worse. They toyed with us, we were bloody awful, and we need to bring in at least four new signings in the next week or so. Yes, I’ll go for Taylor and a couple from Spain/Portugal and Elm if he has opened his eyes following this crap!!!

We’re so fucking incompetent in the transfer market, we have to keep him in the team 'cos we can’t buy anyone else... Money or no money, we just can’t close deals. I’m not blaming Lescott for today, but it doesn’t help the fact that the miserable, greedy prick is still hanging around! Get rid!!

Yobo and Lescott are useless together... in fact Yobo is becoming full-time useless; mind you — if you’re playing next to Hibbert, I can see why.

Baines wants to shut up talking about the team matters and concentrate on getting his game back together — it's not been there at all this pre-season except for 10 mins against Malaga.

I still believe we will turn it around but we are not Top 4 material and on today’s showing. Arsenal are still too good for any of us catching them for 4th spot.

It was embarrassing to watch on TV so God help the poor soul's who actually went. Tony Marsh got the score pretty much right. Unfortunately his desire to see this turn into a protest against Kenwright didn't happen. Lescott needs to publicly state his renewed commitment to Everton or Fuck Off.

Well, we’ve been telling you all summer TO GET FUCKING REAL!

Hopefully today’s result will inject a little reality & clarity into future discussion.

Kenright out! We need a new owner NOW!!!

We have a hard set of fixtures in next few weeks and key injuries to contend with. Alongside all this we need to regroup quickly after the worst home defeat in most Evertonian’s lifetime. It could be the end of September before we have a settled team so we should be worried.

And I agree completely that Lescott saga has to be ended by decisive action — another thing we don’t need.

This is just what we needed, a kick up the backside. We will respond in the right way to this defeat as we always do, please stop the knee-jerk reactions, you should all have learnt by now. The same thing happens every season — we always turn it around.

"I'll take responsibility, I need to do better with the players I have," said Moyes.

Does that worry anyone else compared with his reaction after last years debacle which was something along the lines of "it's not the way to do things... we need new signings." This time around it sounds like BSB has told him the wallet is empty folks. Enjoy.

Bill Kenwright is a disgrace and will destroy this football club. The club has shown no ambition and is it any wonder players want to leave? Fuck Lescott, sell him tommorow and bring in people who want to be here. Shame on you, Kenwright.

Tonight, I can't see a positive, other than saying I have witnessed another impressive Arsenal display; they do play beautiful football and we should hold our hands up and admire it.

I love Everton, but something is wrong that I can't put my finger on. Tonight was a total disaster and now I am worried. I said 'Carpe Diem' in my original post but now, in a favourite of Karl Marx I am thinking 'de omnibus dubitandum'.

A win at Burnley and it will all be ok, won't it....?

If so, let's just say we’d have won 6-1 today... would we now be looking at certain Champions. Would all us optimists have 100% got one over on the ’doomers’ and proved you to be idiots?

Just asking!

We don't need to show any ambition anymore — people will accept any old shit we churn out; at least we aren't fighting relegation anymore.

I have been saying for ages now we have no ambition and yet some people accept it. Nil Satis nisi optimum — not at our club.

From what I saw today, at the moment we have only three players who are comfortable with the ball: Pienaar, Rodwell and Baines. Here’s my honest view:

1. Howard: Could have came for the cross for Arsenal's second.
2. Hibbert: Wasted good chances to cross as usual. Plus caught out of position to many times.
3. Baines: Just a bad game but he is an excellent player.
4. Yobo: Had a stinker; must do better or face losing his place when Jags get back.
5. Lescott: Done well; not at fault for any but has to be sold for morale.
6. Osman: Non existent, must be dropped permanently.
7. Pienaar: Played well, no support.
8. Cahill: Not a central midfielder, full stop!
9. Neville: Needs to be put in right back or be dropped.
10. Fellaini: jury really out, €15 mill?
11. Jô: No support, but nowhere near the class of the Yak.
Rodwell: Should've started, ozzes class AND CAN PASS!
Gosling: done well, and
Saha: must start.

Do not call other Evertonians "whingeing bastard turncoats" — what he fuck is the matter with you? Do not come on this site and claim that people "seem to be have been dying for us to get a hiding". And do not tell other fans how they should react. — The Editor

I too am frustrated with the lack of transfer activity, the persistence with Hibbert and Osman; I too am at a loss to explain the inept performance and complete lack of spririt and fight displayed by the team yesterday. The Lescott saga no doubt has had some effect and with that in mind, if City come knocking again with a £20m+ bid then, despite DM’s stance, the club need to bite their hand off.

I am yet to understand how it was possible to turn down an £8m+ bid for Saha and then leave him on the bench! The club's transfer policy baffles me... 3 months of complete inactivity followed by panic buys at the end of the window (eg Fellaini) occurs every year, leading to slow starts as players bed in, and strong finishes. If we had managed even a mediocre start last season, a top four place would have been achieved.

Moyes on trial, however; get a grip... Villa spent millions and lost at home to Wigan. As it stands, we are yet to see what Harry’s millions will buy... £220m bought a scratchy win at Blackburn and the Kings Road charlies only scraped past Hull!

So, whilst a humiliating display and result it was, get off his back, get off Kenwrights back... and at least wait for a handful of games before deciding that a man who has truly worked wonders given his budget and working conditions is worthy of the sack!!

I for one would much rather wear the Blue of Everton under Moyes and Kenwright than any Arab-funded team populated by money-grabbing mercenaries... Mr Lescott, if you don’t agree then bugger off and bugger off quickly!

So were you on his back following the beating of Liverpool last season? Were you on his back when we finished fifth? Were you wanting him out as we walked out at Wembley?

Don’t get me wrong there are indeed some serious issues at the club and I am not saying all is rosy and well... Yesterday was as bad as I can remember. I haven’t seen Everton concede 6 at home in my lifetime so I am very much aware that all is far from well at our club.

There are no excuses, you are indeed right; however, one abject performance — no matter how utterly dire — doesn’t make faith in Moyes ’blind’.

Hoofball, panicky defending and an inability to pass the ball to a teammate. Why can Arsenal pass a ball foward and retain possession when we can't? The only player that took more than 3 touches at a time and still kept the ball was Pienaar; in the absense of Arteta (and after watching the Confederations Cup). WHY is he not playing in the Middle?

We struggled pre-season against mediocre opposition and we look like a team miles behind the rest at the start of this season.

Our transfer policy (do we have one?) is a joke with no players in before the season kick off. If the Lescott saga is affecting our squad I think we should ask silly money and cash him in. We had a poor start last season, why have we not learnt?

Everyone knows where the squad needs to be strenghened but Moyes simply thinks he can get away with it for one more season. He has the funds but makes panic buys eg Fellaini last season. Transfers need to be taken out of his hands, if there was one club that needs a ’director of football’ it’s us.

Let Moyes coach and give the responsibility to bring in new faces to someone else, maybe Dennis Wise would be a good candidate?

Well, it’s like this. Joleon Lescott clearly isn’t with us anymore. A blind man on a galloping horse could see that. So each time he trots out for us in future the defensive unit, in deed the whole team, are fundamentally weakened and disadvantaged.

So, unless JL has a moment of biblical vision before 8:00 pm Thursday, perhaps Mr Moyes needs to ditch his sound principles in favour of a heavy dose of reality and sell him. Yes, David, I know it stinks having to bend to the pressures of the unscrupulous Sparky but it might be the only reasonable option left.

Even if we cannot secure a replacement for JL in what remains of the transfer window, whoever plays in his vacated position from amongst the current squad will want to be there and by default will have the confidence of those around him... and us in the stands.

Do me a favour and grow up, we are not a big four team; we do not have the financial clout and (other than on Merseyside) the support to progress much further.

Maybe we should fuck Moysey off and get Sir Alex to leave Utd and come to us and steer us to untold glory. Get real, last season we hit our peak and this season was always going to be anticlimatic.

I love Everton more than I should but I am also realistic and accept that some fucker has to finish fifth and some fucker has to be the losers in the Cup Final and, unless you took to supporting this club in the 80s or after the 95 final, I think we could all see this as an improvement on the decades of dross we have been served up with.

Fellaini is a €15 million joke who disrupts the whole team; Cahill should play behind a foward not in a middle four because Fellaini can’t tackle so is pushed up front. That leaves Saha on the bench. Moyes tries to justify his buy instead of admitting defeat.

If I was Lescott, I would want leave because we show no ambition to strength the team we won’t pay the wages and haggles over the asking price for every player. Moyes is typical jock tight ass who thinks it is his own money. Every year he sells more than he brings in, the squad is the smallest in the Prem.