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A Proper Evertonian?
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I keep learning something new every time I log on to ToffeeWeb. In fact I am being educated by other Everton supporters on how to be a Good Evertonian.
Those of you out there who have yet to understand what it takes, here are some tips:
- Never ever be critical of the manager the one and only David Moyes. This guy is untouchable and to even dare
question his ability is a hanging offence. Leave well alone and you will be alright. Sing "He's got Red Hair and We Don't Care" and you are defo in with the boys. - The Chairman Bill Kenwright is another untouchable. No matter what Billy Boy does or says or no matter how many times he fucks you over, don't say a word. Suck it up and be thankfull
Peter Joihnson is no longer around. Forget all about the Kings Dock arena and embrace the Tescodome.
More Good Evertonian points earned here. - Style of football being played for 8 years? Another touchy subject and one left best alone as you could be seen as "negative". Just accept that for professional footballers to be able to trap or pass a ball, it takes money. Yes, that's right — only players who cost a fortune know how to play there chosen profession properly. Clubs like Everton cannot expect to play decent footy any more and it's no fault of the manager. Passing and crossing to team mates is only for the rich and famous. Go along with this and you are starting to get it...
- Put all massive tonkings to the back of your mind and put them down as blips. 7-0 or 6-1 maulings — they are no cause for concern as David Moyes is the brightest young manager in the game and will get it right eventually. I mean Arsenal put 6 past all the minnows dont they? Yes, it's only the likes of big clubs like Hull City who dare take Arsenal on at their own game and beat them.
- Always, always live of the past and say things like, "We finished 5th twice and made it to a Cup Final" when trying to justify your arguements for meekly accepting the status quo. All though winning a final would be nice, it's the taking part that counts nowadays... Just like a school Sports Day for kiddies.
- Keep convincing yourself that all is well and as long as we have Moyes we will never struggle to compete. Moyes is a genius, you see, and I have only just started to realise it. Beating the big 4 once in a while doesn't matter anymore. We are Best of the Rest... so give it a rest.
- Sing "If You Know Your History" everywhere you go and even sing it in the direction of Man Utd and Liverpool fans. This won't make them laugh out loud but will make them realise what a fantastic history we have compared to their crappy ones.
- When put under pressure to come up with good reasons why Kenwright and Moyes are doing good jobs, refer back to
Walter Smith and say it's better than his regime by miles. Say stuff like "We are no longer relegation fodder and have moved on," — even though Osman and Hibbert where part of Smith's set-up and are still playing for Moyes every week. - Forget Smith just won another title in Scotland in his first full season back, to add to his other thousand trophies, and just keep faith in "Moyes the Winner".
- Sing "Shit ground, no fans whereever you go to watch the Blues.
Its really funny, almost as funny as "Get your Tits out for the lads." Even though Goodison Park is a dump we can still slaughter little clubs for having plastic Cowsheds because our board would never consider such a thing for us would they? - Make up rumours about Liverpool players and thier wives and sing about it at Derby games. It's dead funny honest. Say stuff like "Torres is gay and was caught in bed with Sol Campbell by his cleaner." It's a real hoot.
- Blame the Refs for all our problems and still go on about Collina robbing us at Villarreal. I know I still do and it does me no harm. You see, Refs are the antichrist and it was Clattenburg's fault we lost that match a Goodison a few seasons ago. Nothing to do with poor game plans. No, Clattenburg bevies with Carragher and Gerrard you see
and must be bent.
Now, once you get the hang of the requirements, you will be able to say you're a proper Evertonian — unlike me, who is seen as a Kopite. I wish I could learn this Evertonian thingy and get accepted... I really do.
I have though got some tips of my own that might stand you in good stead for the future. They might seem a little silly but they can't be any more silly than those above.
- Never cop off with a bird who drinks pints of Lager and has an Indian ink tatoo on her arm that says Wrexham Skins. You will regret it in the morning... Don't ask???
- Never marry or date a bird who thinks she likes footy. It must be a real ball-breaker sitting through a game with your chick and she says things like "Arteta's fit, isn't he?", "OOH look at the arse on Victor".
- Even worse is going the Wilmslow after the match and she is with you. All you want to do is fart, sing, drink, burp and be one of the lads but you have got the missus saying, "Make that your last one, me Lado, X-Factor is on at 7 and we're going home."
- Never model your hairstyle on your favourite players. The Perm / Mullet combo was a real killer back in the 1980s and I tried it I looked a right twat. Evern after adding those tight shorts I still didn't look like Graeme Sharp.
I know its hard being an Evertonian but being a proper one is even harder. No matter how much time and money you put in there are so many things you need to learn.... Just like David Moyes, it appears I am still learning how to get it right.
Please someone tell me when will I earn my stripes? I can't take not being on of the lads any more... I just want to be loved, that's all.
Tony Marsh, Posted 18/08/2009 at 12:20:50
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Brian Baker
2 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:28:11
2 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:28:11
Hi Tony, do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post .
I actually think you may have hit the nail on the head. Why do us Evertonians keep coming back for more and more punishment?
Quite frankly it would be easier to be a red sometimes. Or it might the hope that, one day, in our lifetime, glory wll come our way. Attractive passing football by an Everton team would be heaven.
I actually think you may have hit the nail on the head. Why do us Evertonians keep coming back for more and more punishment?
Quite frankly it would be easier to be a red sometimes. Or it might the hope that, one day, in our lifetime, glory wll come our way. Attractive passing football by an Everton team would be heaven.
Andy Crooks
3 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:31:50
3 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:31:50
Yes Tony, David Moyes is, in the eyes of many, astonishingly beyond criticism. It’s as if no other manager on earth could have achieved the same but with a bit of style.
I’m also glad you mentioned the much maligned Walter Smith. He took a Rangers side, which would struggle in League One, to the Uefa Cup Final. To praise Moyes by damning Smith is ludicrous. Moyes is Smith with more money to spend.
Prepare to get some stick, Tony.
John Carter
4 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:45:05
4 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:45:05
Just reads as biter. No human is beyond reproach, but many have achieved a level where criticism is just disingenuous.
Also it’s amusing that whilst other managers and pretty much everyone who has anything to do with football believes what Moyes has achieved (including a gradual improvement of the style of play) is remarkable. Hiddink and a very small number of other managers may have been able to match his feats but as you can see from Everton’s record, many, many managers have achieve far LESS with far MORE at their disposal, and NONE (Yes including Wenger) have achived more with less. In other words, so far Moyes has done something that other managers in the 21st Century have not.
But hey he should have won 7 FA cups by now eh? Let’s ignore the fact that you pick several combinations of just 3 Chelsea players and they would have added up to more than the cost of Moyes’s entire squad.
Sack Moyes now. Of course he can be citicised but it should always be fair and proportionate. Say he could have left the weakened Fellaini on the bench or out of the squad and put Rodwell on? Sure but he knows more than we do and crucifying people for achieving more than 99% of other people couldn’t is as I said, disingenuous, and a little bitter.
Also it’s amusing that whilst other managers and pretty much everyone who has anything to do with football believes what Moyes has achieved (including a gradual improvement of the style of play) is remarkable. Hiddink and a very small number of other managers may have been able to match his feats but as you can see from Everton’s record, many, many managers have achieve far LESS with far MORE at their disposal, and NONE (Yes including Wenger) have achived more with less. In other words, so far Moyes has done something that other managers in the 21st Century have not.
But hey he should have won 7 FA cups by now eh? Let’s ignore the fact that you pick several combinations of just 3 Chelsea players and they would have added up to more than the cost of Moyes’s entire squad.
Sack Moyes now. Of course he can be citicised but it should always be fair and proportionate. Say he could have left the weakened Fellaini on the bench or out of the squad and put Rodwell on? Sure but he knows more than we do and crucifying people for achieving more than 99% of other people couldn’t is as I said, disingenuous, and a little bitter.
Anthony Doran
5 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:56:16
5 Posted 18/08/2009 at 17:56:16
OMFG this guys threads get better and better, pity they are nothing to do with Everton and are more of a ’what the fuck was I thinking shagging that Indian bird with the tats was I that drunk’. Newsflash, Tony, it was a guy you shagged... that's why you're not one of the boys anymore! Let's rename ToffeeWeb to Tony Marsh and take his every word as gospel! Marshy, Marshy, Marshy...
Guy Hastings
6 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:15:28
6 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:15:28
In TM’s case, never buy the new Radio Times (out today) and read the Sigma/Everton preview on page 101.
Kurt Knight
7 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:20:39
7 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:20:39
We may hover around 5-7 in the league standings each year but Tony puts us at Top Brass for sarcasm. I fancy myself as sarcastic but Tony is King and there is no-one close.
Ed Bottomley
8 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:23:10
8 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:23:10
Tony - I adore Moyes, I am a naively aimiable optimist - but strip all that away and and the core is one question. WHO THE FUCK COULD DO BETTER THAN MOYES?
Kevin Hudson
9 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:26:33
9 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:26:33
Normally enjoy your posts Tony, and often agree with many of your views. Today though, I think you’ve lost the plot. I can’t see the point of this article; ranting for the sake of it, I think.
Anthony O'Sullivan
10 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:23:47
10 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:23:47
Finally, Tony, you posted an article that makes sense... it's just a shame you were trying to be funny.
By the way, I like the way you tell us not to live in the past when talking about finishing 5th and getting to a final. But bang on about us loosing 7-0 and Kings Dock etc. Make up your mind!
Also no-one says you can't criticise Moyes but you claim he doesn't have a clue which is very different (even though a few weeks ago you claimed the boards failure to back him would see the best thing at Everton walk). Again, make up your mind.
He is a very good manager — that's why he is managing a top 5 team in the Premier League... and you are just standing at the side telling him how to do his job.
By the way, I like the way you tell us not to live in the past when talking about finishing 5th and getting to a final. But bang on about us loosing 7-0 and Kings Dock etc. Make up your mind!
Also no-one says you can't criticise Moyes but you claim he doesn't have a clue which is very different (even though a few weeks ago you claimed the boards failure to back him would see the best thing at Everton walk). Again, make up your mind.
He is a very good manager — that's why he is managing a top 5 team in the Premier League... and you are just standing at the side telling him how to do his job.
Rob Heib
11 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:32:06
11 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:32:06
Andy Crooks: [[ Yes Tony, David Moyes is, in the eyes of many, astonishingly beyond criticism. It’s as if no other manager on earth could have achieved the same but with a bit of style.]]
No manager (in the Prem) has achieved the same results with a comparable team, style or no style.
No manager (in the Prem) has achieved the same results with a comparable team, style or no style.
Trevor Williams
12 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:51:42
12 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:51:42
I don't think we can compare what Smith has done in Scotland with the Premier League. They play Celtic 4 times and the cast of ’Take the High Road’ for the rest of the season.
Also Everton’s 2nd leg is on Five next week.
Also Everton’s 2nd leg is on Five next week.
John Brennan
13 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:49:36
13 Posted 18/08/2009 at 18:49:36
I have recently posted on Scott's contribution about the playing side of things and all sensible Evertonians will want to rush to that thread to read my wise words dispensed from on high.
Moyes is an ok manager, but he lacks tactical nous and imagination. He reacts to a situation after it has happened, rather than planning beforehand to prevent it from happening. Look at the FA Cup Final. I am not trying to be clever after the event, but I would have started Jacobsen for Hibbert. I would also have found time somewhere in the game for Rodwell, but I do accept that we would still probably have lost anyway.
He is slow to change things when it is obvious a certain area needs attention during a game. He is reactive rather than proactive. His substitutions are usually too little, too late.
Moyes is a defensive minded man who would rather try to stop the other side from winning, rather than to try to win the game himself, in other words he lacks boldness. Take a leaf out of Brian Cloughs book, and don't give a monkeys about them, let them worry about you. At least I have a good feeling about Thursday night's game — I think we just might hold them to a nil-nil.
Bob Turner
14 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:35:20
14 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:35:20
13. Say that you want Everton to get twatted 5-0 at home by Arsenal, then post an article about how shit Moyes/ Kenwright/ Osman/ Hibbert are when you get what you want.
Anthony Newell
15 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:19:37
15 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:19:37
There is no doubt Moyes thrives on a ’percentages’ brand of football and has cultivated a ’percentages’ style approach. If in doubt, hoof, defend at all costs, 4-5-1 at home against big boys etc etc.
The comparison with Hull having a go at Chelsea is very relevant. When the hell do we have a go at the bigger sides, try 4-4-2 etc? The Cup Final was a case in point — dire, attritional football with the hope that on the percentages rule we may get a chance from a set piece or a hoof ball knocked on.
I’ve often felt that finishing best of the rest in the last two seasons has been more to do with the shortcomings of other sides which on early indications won’t be the case this season.
Moyes, due to his stubbornness is also the last person to admit change is necessary when to everyone else it is glaringly bloody obvious (how long did it take him to drop Weir; how long is it going to take him to can Hibbert & Osman; how long is it going to take to realise that playing Cahill in the centre of midfield renders him useless?).
God only knows how you can go into a new season thinking that a dire, conservative approach, all perspiration and no inspiration + no squad strengthening will somehow cut it and on top of this exerting your will over a disgruntled player who doesn’t want to play for you. Everybody knows that in the present day, players have the power and the clubs sod all.
I think the team morale and fighting spirit of recent seasons has disguised some serious home truths, i.e. we seriously lack quality and we seriously lack a forward thinking and progressive managment ethos and that extends to tactics, squad selection, pre-season preparations (whatever the fuck they are) and approach to transfers.
It’s no wonder I and most of the Evertonians I know have had most of the life blood drained out of them. The sad truth is that I have hardly any emotion left and this pre-season has passed with little surprise.
We are unfortunately a dinosaur club in many respects that needs dragging into the modern footballing world and sadly I don’t hold out any hope it will happen anytime soon.
The comparison with Hull having a go at Chelsea is very relevant. When the hell do we have a go at the bigger sides, try 4-4-2 etc? The Cup Final was a case in point — dire, attritional football with the hope that on the percentages rule we may get a chance from a set piece or a hoof ball knocked on.
I’ve often felt that finishing best of the rest in the last two seasons has been more to do with the shortcomings of other sides which on early indications won’t be the case this season.
Moyes, due to his stubbornness is also the last person to admit change is necessary when to everyone else it is glaringly bloody obvious (how long did it take him to drop Weir; how long is it going to take him to can Hibbert & Osman; how long is it going to take to realise that playing Cahill in the centre of midfield renders him useless?).
God only knows how you can go into a new season thinking that a dire, conservative approach, all perspiration and no inspiration + no squad strengthening will somehow cut it and on top of this exerting your will over a disgruntled player who doesn’t want to play for you. Everybody knows that in the present day, players have the power and the clubs sod all.
I think the team morale and fighting spirit of recent seasons has disguised some serious home truths, i.e. we seriously lack quality and we seriously lack a forward thinking and progressive managment ethos and that extends to tactics, squad selection, pre-season preparations (whatever the fuck they are) and approach to transfers.
It’s no wonder I and most of the Evertonians I know have had most of the life blood drained out of them. The sad truth is that I have hardly any emotion left and this pre-season has passed with little surprise.
We are unfortunately a dinosaur club in many respects that needs dragging into the modern footballing world and sadly I don’t hold out any hope it will happen anytime soon.
Neil Humphrey
16 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:46:31
16 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:46:31
Ha ha Bob Turner you beat me to the punch mate. I was going to add the exact same thing!
Tony, if you are reading this, change the record mate. And (attempted) humour doesn't suit you - stick with the vitriolic bile.
Tony, if you are reading this, change the record mate. And (attempted) humour doesn't suit you - stick with the vitriolic bile.
Seamus McCrudden
17 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:57:16
17 Posted 18/08/2009 at 19:57:16
Well done, Tony. Progress indeed... And as your psychiatrist I can't stress how much of a burden has been lifted from your weary shoulders. Therapy in the morning begins at 9am with a group hug, see you there...
Rob Heib
18 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:09:06
18 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:09:06
Moyes makes £3.5 million pounds a year — you lot of footballing geniuses should get your badges and go collect a fat payday for doing such an easy job.
If "percentage football" were that easy it's odd nobody else uses it to finish 5th or 6th every year (4th once) and make a Cup final. Aren’t a huge amount of managers fired every year? You’d think one of them would give it a shot if it’s so bloody easy.
I would accept the criticism of Moyes if one of you lot would, for once, include some sort of acknowledgment of how, while you may not like the style, it’s odd how nobody has done better than him (aside from the four teams who are essentially in another league).
If "percentage football" were that easy it's odd nobody else uses it to finish 5th or 6th every year (4th once) and make a Cup final. Aren’t a huge amount of managers fired every year? You’d think one of them would give it a shot if it’s so bloody easy.
I would accept the criticism of Moyes if one of you lot would, for once, include some sort of acknowledgment of how, while you may not like the style, it’s odd how nobody has done better than him (aside from the four teams who are essentially in another league).
Barry Thompson
19 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:33:54
19 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:33:54
Tony, you are surely not calling Goodison a dump are you??? Does this sound familiar:-
"The place looks huge when you are out there in the middle and I was thinking to myself, How can we call this place a dump? — It’s a shrine to me! "This is the Mecca of football", I was shouting, "Do you know how lucky I am right now? Ha Ha!" What a scream.... It must be an amazing feeling playing in front of so much noise, passion and history as a player at Everton FC. What lucky bastards they are."
Or have I misunderstood your rapier-like wit.
Joe Hurst
20 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:50:26
20 Posted 18/08/2009 at 20:50:26
So... A dump eh?
Time has not been kind on the Old Lady, in this era of WiFi’ed expansive seating and Recaro dugouts etc etc etc, and it's unquestionable that for myriad reasons a club with the heritage of Everton needs to move with the times, but this point more than anything else in your diatribe needed a retort.
OK, so Woodison (as her detractors love to name her) has her big faults such as obstructed views and nowhere for Bill’s luvvies to eat their prawn sandwiches, but I for one am FAR more concerned at the prospect of the soulless Reebok Mk II in Kirkby that has been allowed exclusivity on the planning table. (For anyone who’s never been to a match at Bolton, go, please - you will see the future.... and it's not a cheery sight.)
Imperfect for so many reasons, and probably sneered at by many opposition supporters — (largely non-matchgoing I reckon, as you only need to remind yourself of how many managers like Wenger and Ferguson have admitted the intimidating presence ol’ Woody still possesses) — the ground seems such an easy target.
But like so many, I and past generations of my family have felt the highs and lows of following this great club at Goodison.
For it to be labelled so casually, without any of the reasoning I have made such a rambling attempt at — well then I’m beginning to understand why you feel so often the recipient of vilification. Poor show.
Time has not been kind on the Old Lady, in this era of WiFi’ed expansive seating and Recaro dugouts etc etc etc, and it's unquestionable that for myriad reasons a club with the heritage of Everton needs to move with the times, but this point more than anything else in your diatribe needed a retort.
OK, so Woodison (as her detractors love to name her) has her big faults such as obstructed views and nowhere for Bill’s luvvies to eat their prawn sandwiches, but I for one am FAR more concerned at the prospect of the soulless Reebok Mk II in Kirkby that has been allowed exclusivity on the planning table. (For anyone who’s never been to a match at Bolton, go, please - you will see the future.... and it's not a cheery sight.)
Imperfect for so many reasons, and probably sneered at by many opposition supporters — (largely non-matchgoing I reckon, as you only need to remind yourself of how many managers like Wenger and Ferguson have admitted the intimidating presence ol’ Woody still possesses) — the ground seems such an easy target.
But like so many, I and past generations of my family have felt the highs and lows of following this great club at Goodison.
For it to be labelled so casually, without any of the reasoning I have made such a rambling attempt at — well then I’m beginning to understand why you feel so often the recipient of vilification. Poor show.
Stephen Kenny
21 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:20:05
21 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:20:05
Support the club any way you can. And don't accept anything less than the best. To me, that's a proper Evertonian.
I’d like to see this best of the rest shite put to bed. 1st is 1st and anywhere else is nowhere. And that's what we should aspire to, no matter how long it takes to get there.
I’d like to see this best of the rest shite put to bed. 1st is 1st and anywhere else is nowhere. And that's what we should aspire to, no matter how long it takes to get there.
Ajay Timothy
22 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:48:01
22 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:48:01
Jesus Christ Tony- Do you work? Every day I go into Toffeweb and I see you posting again.
It is amazing how silent you are when we go on winning runs and play good flowing football as we did many times last year and the year before.
I do think that you are one of those individuals that actually takes comfort when we struggle.
It is amazing how silent you are when we go on winning runs and play good flowing football as we did many times last year and the year before.
I do think that you are one of those individuals that actually takes comfort when we struggle.
Geoff Dixon
23 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:46:13
23 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:46:13
14. Know that the pub in Goodison Road is called The Winslow.
Wilmslow is in Chesire last time I looked. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of another pile of inane drivel?
Wilmslow is in Chesire last time I looked. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of another pile of inane drivel?
Tony Williams
24 Posted 18/08/2009 at 22:04:04
24 Posted 18/08/2009 at 22:04:04
"9. Forget Smith just won another title in Scotland in his first full season back, to add to his other thousand trophies, and just keep faith in "Moyes the Winner"."
John Barnes came second in that league and Mowbry will either win it or come second too. Not really comparable is it?
Strachan, the man who took a few clubs down won it four times on the bounce didn’t he? Not a great example there, Tony.
John Barnes came second in that league and Mowbry will either win it or come second too. Not really comparable is it?
Strachan, the man who took a few clubs down won it four times on the bounce didn’t he? Not a great example there, Tony.
Ray Burn
25 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:57:04
25 Posted 18/08/2009 at 21:57:04
Great post Joe Hurst. I agree 100%
Mick Wrende
26 Posted 18/08/2009 at 22:50:24
26 Posted 18/08/2009 at 22:50:24
It does raise the point though as to how long are us loyal Evertonians going to have to put up with the utter shite football we play under Moyes?
Marco Buonfiglio
27 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:20:26
27 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:20:26
Jesus, Tony, take a bit more water with it.
Ged Dwyer
28 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:22:27
28 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:22:27
At what point is Moyes to blame? Surely a 6-1 humiliation at home has to be the fault of the manager or does it need to go to 10-1? Should the Lescott saga cause a 6-1 hammering or is it more to do with lack of planning by the manager in the summer and once again being useless in the transfer market.
What was the excuse when Arsenal hammered us 7-0? Lescott wasn’t there then. Mind you Moyes had just wasted £6m on the pointless and useless Beattie for that one. And this time round we were playing the pointless and useless €15m Fellaini.
No more runs into the box, Tim because we’ve got Fellaini to do that now. You can just work on your passing with Phil Neville. And if you need a get out ball just give it to Ozzie who’ll fly down the wing. Does anyone really need to ask who could do better than Moyes. It’s beyond bizarre!
Tony Williams
29 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:26:27
29 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:26:27
Ged it is the managers AND the players fault; however as someone posted earlier what could Moyes do about the second and third goal, which was all down to poor marking.
The excuse for the 7-0 game was that most of the players were still in Baby Blue in the wee hours of the morning after Arsenal beat Liverpool to secure 4th place for us.
The excuse for the 7-0 game was that most of the players were still in Baby Blue in the wee hours of the morning after Arsenal beat Liverpool to secure 4th place for us.
Dennis Stevens
30 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:30:46
30 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:30:46
I know you like to have a dig at Hibbert & Osman whenever possible but to say that "Osman and Hibbert where part of Smith’s set-up" makes them sound like stalwarts of the Smith era. Whereas Hibbert only made one start in Smith’s last full season & 4 more under Smith before Moyes arrived. Osman didn’t even play under Smith — his first two appearances, as substitute, came during Moyes's first full season.
Gareth Atkinson
31 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:32:58
31 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:32:58
With regards to points 10 and 11, this is called banter. Have you got no sense of humour? My god, you need one supporting these lot.
Your comments regarding Walter Smith have also proved that if anyone says black you will without doubt say white in return.
Your comments regarding Walter Smith have also proved that if anyone says black you will without doubt say white in return.
Barry Thompson
32 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:17:32
32 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:17:32
"It does raise the point though.........."
This is the frustration really Mick, and that is that Tony can and does raise valid points but they unfortunately get sandwiched between the same comments that he has produced in virtually every post over the last 12 months.
This is the frustration really Mick, and that is that Tony can and does raise valid points but they unfortunately get sandwiched between the same comments that he has produced in virtually every post over the last 12 months.
We all know by now what Tony thinks of Osman, Hibbert, Moyes and Kenwright. We all know that he would rather eat a shit butty than offer any form of praise, even if Osman or Hibbert had played a blinder. Christ, Tony we know your feelings about these four individuals by now.
I firmly believe that your posts are spawned from both passion and frustration but you do come across as being an habitual whinger who sees absolutely nothing positive in supporting EFC, and I personally don’t doubt that of you for one minute.
Yusuf Bobat
33 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:34:21
33 Posted 18/08/2009 at 23:34:21
I think everyone is missing the point here of Tony’s post. Last summer no transfers where made until the final week and as a result had a shocking start to the season. Then, before the season had ended, everyone from Earl, Kenwright and Green came out with how important it is to get transfers in early and we all thought yeah finally perhaps they have learnt there lesson. Well unfortunately they haven’t and I think that’s what pisses Tony, myself and many others off is that we never build on what little progress where making, I’m tired of being lied to season after season by the board.
Now on Saturday we had a great oppurtunity to show the board how we really feel about them but all we did was get up and walk out and chants of Everton, Everton... what should have happened was chants of KENWRIGHT OUT & SACK THE BOARD!!!
Now on Saturday we had a great oppurtunity to show the board how we really feel about them but all we did was get up and walk out and chants of Everton, Everton... what should have happened was chants of KENWRIGHT OUT & SACK THE BOARD!!!
But too many of us are quite happy for things to plod along with what is happening at our great club and lines of look were we where 8 years ago and who can do a better job? Would you like Johnson to still be in charge?
Well you know what I don’t give a shit about what’s happened in the past, I only care about the here and now and right now we are being lied to by the board, Moyes is too damn negative, hoofball is ever present, we still have no pace no width and no creativity in midfield. Nothing changes from summer to summer so enough is enough.
KENWRIGHT OUT!!!!
SACK THE BOARD!!!!
Paul Conatzer
34 Posted 19/08/2009 at 00:28:32
34 Posted 19/08/2009 at 00:28:32
That Indian bird with tattoos, that’s my wife. Stop slagging her...............
Ben Jones
35 Posted 19/08/2009 at 00:50:49
35 Posted 19/08/2009 at 00:50:49
Oh for god's sake, I think at the beginning of this window I did kinda agree with you, but now your constant moaning and slagging off Moyes, Kenwright etc is not even entertaining anymore. Can’t we have a new villain? Can I be the new villain?
Moyes out and Benitez in!!!
Moyes out and Benitez in!!!
Sam Bones
36 Posted 19/08/2009 at 01:40:31
36 Posted 19/08/2009 at 01:40:31
Jesus, Tony... if its that much of a pain to support the Blues, why not just stop!
Peter Bradshaw
37 Posted 19/08/2009 at 03:08:31
37 Posted 19/08/2009 at 03:08:31
Sam Bones, when you are born blue, you can never stop supporting — it's not like a switch that you can turn off and on.
Totally agree with Tony, I am fed up of "It's a Grand Old Team to play for" you tell that because of the queue of players waiting to come in during the window.
"If you know your history" — yes I do, but to be honest I dont really give a fuck, only interested in the now and the future.
This season is going to be long, we are not the best of the rest anymore and to be honest you win the league or you don't, who cares?
Thank god we have Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham, Blackburn, Hull and Bolton who look worse than us.
Totally agree with Tony, I am fed up of "It's a Grand Old Team to play for" you tell that because of the queue of players waiting to come in during the window.
"If you know your history" — yes I do, but to be honest I dont really give a fuck, only interested in the now and the future.
This season is going to be long, we are not the best of the rest anymore and to be honest you win the league or you don't, who cares?
Thank god we have Portsmouth, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham, Blackburn, Hull and Bolton who look worse than us.
Jamie Crowley
38 Posted 19/08/2009 at 03:47:38
38 Posted 19/08/2009 at 03:47:38
Crooks — you’ve lost your mind. The much maligned Walter Smith? He was complete shite then almost plunging the club into the dark depths of Hell, and he is now. Good ridance, and please, please don't ever come back. In fact, please don’t have anyone that even looks like him come back!
The relegation leader! The guy’s shite. End of.
BTW — he lost the Uefa Cup final in case you didn’t hear.
Wearing a Celtic jersey while I type this, but yours in all things Blue.
EFC till I die, Celtic my mistress... OHHHH, Walter is shite, Walter is shite...
The relegation leader! The guy’s shite. End of.
BTW — he lost the Uefa Cup final in case you didn’t hear.
Wearing a Celtic jersey while I type this, but yours in all things Blue.
EFC till I die, Celtic my mistress... OHHHH, Walter is shite, Walter is shite...
Zack Yusof
39 Posted 19/08/2009 at 04:55:28
39 Posted 19/08/2009 at 04:55:28
Walter Smith, much maligned? Fucking hell, now I’ve heard it all. Tony, fascinating post as always. I don't agree with most of what you say most of the time but you are always worth a read.
However... the slagging of our esteemed manager has to stop. He’s the man, he bleeds Blue and I defy anyone to come up with a better alternative than him. Phil Brown? Fat Sam? O’Leary? Peter fucken Reid? Besides, who else would be masocistic enough to want to take on the EFC hotseat.
COYB!!!!!!
However... the slagging of our esteemed manager has to stop. He’s the man, he bleeds Blue and I defy anyone to come up with a better alternative than him. Phil Brown? Fat Sam? O’Leary? Peter fucken Reid? Besides, who else would be masocistic enough to want to take on the EFC hotseat.
COYB!!!!!!
Ellen West
40 Posted 19/08/2009 at 07:49:22
40 Posted 19/08/2009 at 07:49:22
What makes a proper Evertonian? Waking up at 7 in the morning and before using the bathroom, checking on NewsNow to see if we have signed anyone yet, only to feel disappointed that an unknown name (sorry, I don’t play Football Manager) from a sexy European club may not be signed because of work permit problems.
Then reading an annoying mailbox thread from an Evertonian who I feel needs to convert to another religion. Tony, most of us have not chosen to be Evertonians, we are born into this goddamn sect — a sect that takes our money and delivers empty promises to us. There are 100s of things wrong with Everton that you haven’t mentioned, but we are Evertonians, we don’t support the manager, chairman or even Cahill. We support Everton and everything that comes with it (even the women's team).
Imagine being born a Liverpudlian. Now that’s something to get worked up about.
Then reading an annoying mailbox thread from an Evertonian who I feel needs to convert to another religion. Tony, most of us have not chosen to be Evertonians, we are born into this goddamn sect — a sect that takes our money and delivers empty promises to us. There are 100s of things wrong with Everton that you haven’t mentioned, but we are Evertonians, we don’t support the manager, chairman or even Cahill. We support Everton and everything that comes with it (even the women's team).
Imagine being born a Liverpudlian. Now that’s something to get worked up about.
Alan Clarke
41 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:16:59
41 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:16:59
No. 13 Immediately dismiss anything Tony Marsh writes as "bitter".
No.14 Sing a player’s name from the bottom of your lungs even though he’s handed in a transfer request and told the manager he doesn’t want to play today because he’s "not in the right frame of mind".
No. 15 Say Osman isn’t playing well because he’s being played out of position.
Spot on Tony, you sound like you’re almost at breaking point. There are some good offers on at the moment to join golf courses.
No.14 Sing a player’s name from the bottom of your lungs even though he’s handed in a transfer request and told the manager he doesn’t want to play today because he’s "not in the right frame of mind".
No. 15 Say Osman isn’t playing well because he’s being played out of position.
Spot on Tony, you sound like you’re almost at breaking point. There are some good offers on at the moment to join golf courses.
Christopher Masters
42 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:31:06
42 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:31:06
Why oh why oh why .... Did we not appoint Tony Marsh the manager of Everton football club instead of David Moyes .... ? All Moyesie has done is transform the team from one fighting relegation each season to European qualifiers, won Manager of the Season 3 times and lure some half decent players to the club largely because of his reputation as a manager ...
Whereas Saint Tony has in fact ... errr ... well ... well at least he has sat on his opinionated backside and spouted forth utter shite and negativity blaming everyone from Kenwright to the Toffee Lady for the demise of Everton Football Club. And let’s face it we are in demise... going from 17th in the league in the late 90s to 5th for the second year running is an appalling record and David Moyes should hang his head in shame before packing all his things into a cardboard box and handing his office keys to Tony Marsh so we can really progress this club... I can hear the chants in my head right now... "He’s got some hair and doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doin’... Tony, Tony Marsh ..." Oh for the days of the relegation dog-fight.
Whereas Saint Tony has in fact ... errr ... well ... well at least he has sat on his opinionated backside and spouted forth utter shite and negativity blaming everyone from Kenwright to the Toffee Lady for the demise of Everton Football Club. And let’s face it we are in demise... going from 17th in the league in the late 90s to 5th for the second year running is an appalling record and David Moyes should hang his head in shame before packing all his things into a cardboard box and handing his office keys to Tony Marsh so we can really progress this club... I can hear the chants in my head right now... "He’s got some hair and doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doin’... Tony, Tony Marsh ..." Oh for the days of the relegation dog-fight.
Patty Beesley
43 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:43:05
43 Posted 19/08/2009 at 08:43:05
You are so bitter I feel sorry for you matey. I don’t even bother to read your caustic comments any more when I see your name at the bottom of the posting. To me you are having the same effect on loyal Blues as Lescott’s attitude seems to be having in his fellow players.... in other words, it stinks.
Paul Joy
44 Posted 19/08/2009 at 09:46:25
44 Posted 19/08/2009 at 09:46:25
Breaking News
Wrexham Tranny with indian ink tattoos confesses to local news reporters that he/she once woke up next to Tony Marsh after a heavy night on the lager.
He/She said, "I was so fuckin' ashamed it's taken me 20 years to get over it — fuckin' hell he could moan. More than he made me do anyway!!"
Wrexham Tranny with indian ink tattoos confesses to local news reporters that he/she once woke up next to Tony Marsh after a heavy night on the lager.
He/She said, "I was so fuckin' ashamed it's taken me 20 years to get over it — fuckin' hell he could moan. More than he made me do anyway!!"
Alan Clarke
45 Posted 19/08/2009 at 10:34:59
45 Posted 19/08/2009 at 10:34:59
Is that the same one who looks like John Terry?
Sam Bones
46 Posted 19/08/2009 at 11:41:34
46 Posted 19/08/2009 at 11:41:34
Peter Bradshaw, I never said once that I wasn't an Evertonian like your opening statement seems to suggest, as you take the time out to explain the ability not to be able to turn off the switch once you are one. And if you are so such a proud Evertonian and how can you say you claim to have no interest in our glorious history, I mean isn’t that what makes us proud Evertonians!
James Boden
47 Posted 19/08/2009 at 13:23:37
47 Posted 19/08/2009 at 13:23:37
Number 16 — Insist that Moyes is nobody's inferior and that he is a dead cert to take over from Ferguson at United.
Number 17 — Never ever boo an Everton player ever because they play for us and thus we must respect their ability regardless of how crap they may be.
Number 18 — Harp on about how Moyes has installed pride back into the football club and completely ignore the countless hammerings and cup humiliations and the fact that we have not won a single trophy in his tenure.
But hey, he is the world’s greatest manager ever — make no mistake about that, Marsh!
Chris Lawlor
48 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:09:09
48 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:09:09
Tony Marsh,
I asked you this yesterday and no response from you so after the latest diatrabe, any chance of answer to this today?
In real world terms can you tell me how would like to see the club move forward
You want Moyes out - Replaced by?
You want Kenwright out - Replaced by?
You want Hibbert, Osman, Pienarr, Arteta, Cahill out ( ’all small choir boy players’) - Replaced by who?
For all your frustration, bitching and moaning can you propose one positive motion you would make to improve the situation?
I, like most others here have deep frustrations with the club but yours seem to run to a far more personal level, were you rejected by the club at youth level?
All I’m asking for is an objective article from you for once, one without the bile, myopic hatred and utter negativity.
I asked you this yesterday and no response from you so after the latest diatrabe, any chance of answer to this today?
In real world terms can you tell me how would like to see the club move forward
You want Moyes out - Replaced by?
You want Kenwright out - Replaced by?
You want Hibbert, Osman, Pienarr, Arteta, Cahill out ( ’all small choir boy players’) - Replaced by who?
For all your frustration, bitching and moaning can you propose one positive motion you would make to improve the situation?
I, like most others here have deep frustrations with the club but yours seem to run to a far more personal level, were you rejected by the club at youth level?
All I’m asking for is an objective article from you for once, one without the bile, myopic hatred and utter negativity.
Ciarán McGlone
49 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:17:39
49 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:17:39
In short Chris - you want him to write an article which doesn’t sum up his feelings...but rather satisfies your level of anger?
Sounds like you want him to write your article — maybe you should do it.
Oh, and I don’t believe your list accurately reflects Tony’s position.
Sounds like you want him to write your article — maybe you should do it.
Oh, and I don’t believe your list accurately reflects Tony’s position.
James Boden
50 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:27:13
50 Posted 19/08/2009 at 14:27:13
Oh and number 19 - Tell anyone who dare complains about events at the club in any fashion that they should fuck off and support Man United or Liverpool.
Glen Strachan
51 Posted 19/08/2009 at 15:01:19
51 Posted 19/08/2009 at 15:01:19
Did anybody back Mr Marsh's tip ahead of Saturday? So how many does Tony see Everton leaking at Burnley? Maybe worth a small flutter - he seems to be 'the man in the know' - but how does he know?
Ian Ankers
52 Posted 19/08/2009 at 21:35:43
52 Posted 19/08/2009 at 21:35:43
He’s got red hair and we don’t car.e Davie Davie Moyes!
I’m his number 1 fan! Love the fella.
I’m his number 1 fan! Love the fella.
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