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What Moyes should have said
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This is what Moyes should have said after the game...
"We wanted to buy Elm and Senderos but Bill Kenwright couldn’t get any money from his mates and his plan of false advertising with promised 'Wow' signings didn’t produce enough revenue to spend £2 million apiece on those water carriers. Right now BK is stalling on the Lescott deal, hoping it will go through at the 11th hour so he can use the money to clear some of our debt as the window will be shut by then.
"With regard to the team, I have to admit in hindsight Jo’s early goals for us were scrapy and lucky like, Franny Jeffers's early ones, and we got duped into thinking luck was class... but at least we didn’t splash the cash like Wenger did for Franny and Hughes did for Jo.
"At this point, I hope to sign a couple of youngsters for little or nothing to replace Scott Spencer in Andy Holdens group since he was upset that the only players I gave him thus far were amateurs from the US and not even pros.
"I’m aware that Hibbert isn’t any good but he has added diving to his repertoire so we’re hoping he can build on that in the coming weeks... so, if we persuade Rhino to come out of retirement, we can win a few 1-0 games against other bankrupt sides.
"If you’re wondering why I haven’t quit yet, it’s because if I went to a rich club they’d give me money to spend and then fire me in 6 months if I had poor results, whereas I can stay here for another ten years and make a small fortune as a nearly man."
Kieran Kinsella, Posted 23/08/2009 at 15:22:19
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1 Posted 23/08/2009 at 13:57:00
Far too many liars among the paid staff; complete, but expected, rubbish from the Board, but, much worse, all of it accomplished with the support of some of the fans.
And it is the fans who will, ultimately, reduce this present comedy to a tragedy through blind support of as big a set of tossers as has ever been mistaken for a club management.
To call them shite is to insult shite.
2 Posted 23/08/2009 at 15:16:50
3 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:33:17
4 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:29:58
He has handled the Lescott transfer appallingly. He played him against Arsenal AFTER Lescott said he didn't want to play. He has delayed the deal and is now complaining about he hasn't got time to buy new players.
Elm was shown round over a month ago and still his club say we haven't made a bid.
We turn up for a hearing on Friday to get Banega a work permit. His club deny any knowledge of a deal and the day before the hearing Valencia play him in a Europa match which cup-ties him!!
There are rumours we tried tp sign Senderos and now Dunne. Thank fuck Glenn Keeley has retired.
Tactics are appalling. Vaughan is a far better player than Jo. No width, just hoofball playing for throw-ins and corners.
Wigan is a must-win now. They have played one away game and won at Villa. Be afraid.
5 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:34:44
6 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:41:16
Atrocious football; non-existent transfer policy; no scouting system. What other manager would sit around while all this was going on? Can you imagine Rafa/Redknapp/O’Neill etc meekly standing by... no, of course not — which is why they have all signed players this summer.
Still, 7 years after Smith left, fans are happy we no longer are a team who battle relegation — as though being good to watch and not a relegation team can't go hand in hand. No pace or power for 4 years now in midfield and nothing done to solve the problem. Work hard seems to be Moyes’s only tactic.
7 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:48:00
Only i’d like to add.
Be very afraid !
8 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:02:43
Moyes's tactics seem to be based on working hard. That’s great but it needs to be combined with pace and skill, which we have neither. The whole club needs a complete shake up or we should just be satisfied with being a small-time club with small-time ambitions.
9 Posted 23/08/2009 at 18:59:35
I am one of Moyes biggest fans one of the biggest things I appreciate is his honesty, although I don't know what's going on behind the scenes and there maybe good explanation I just feel we have been lied to regarding the signings we were supposed to be making "in the next 48 hours" which was over a week a go and saying nobody would be sold and now he's saying it looks like Lescott will be.
I would rather be told nothing than have my hopes built up and knocked down again. Moyes has turned these situations around in the past so I will give him the benefit of the doubt but I feel it will be harder to back him in the future if these lies continue.
10 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:06:10
11 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:18:21
12 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:19:31
The Banega story, if true, has made a complete tit out of Moyes and I hope he comes clean on it. Besides all this, a lot of our fans are quite happy to go along with all this and say "we finished fifth and got to a cup final"... The club shows no ambition whatsoever, and treats its fanbase like politicians do their voters, i.e, with contempt. The sooner the chairman is gone, the better, but when and how will that happen if he is having his strings pulled by others?
13 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:19:34
The players’ body language again today was that of Lescott last week — that says to me the manager is not doing his job.
Kieran, you have got it spot on.
14 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:38:13
15 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:50:06
Since then, the boardroom has become a shambles, investment is non-existent and the ability to finish 5th with a mediocre squad is rewarded with a long contract provided you don't complain about lack of money to spend like any other top class manager would do.
I don't want Moyes to go in our current situation, he’s as good as anybody for grinding out results with limited resources. I’m not even having a go at Billy Liar’s pathetic chairmanship I am just thinking back to those heady days when the board and the fans had high hopes and were not content to settle.
Today I’ve heard lots of fans defending Moyes; I don't really have a problem with that in the cold light of day, it's just that, after such a poor performance again, instead of an angry outburst from fans who don't want mediocrity, we get apathy.
16 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:01:07
Shambles pre-season again, transfers are a joke... and the future plan, Kirkby, has everyone thinking about jacking it in, great init?
17 Posted 23/08/2009 at 19:26:53
I spoke to my old man on the the phone a couple of hours ago. When I was whining and bitching in the seventies, he reminded me of his lowest ebb, which was the stint in the early fifties in the Second Division, and his wedding day on September 6, 1958 when Arsenal whacked us. 6-1. At Goodison.
I’m reading a lot of whining about "All Moyes has given us is fifth and yet another Cup Final defeat".
What do we want? What I want is the best that Everton can produce with the resources available.
Ideally, I’d love to get in touch with my distant trillionaire cousin Brad Hunsecker III in Emerald City, Kansas, and persuade him to put a billion or two into EFC. Then we buy Kaka, Aguero, and whoever the hell we want. And pension off that idiot Moyes and get ... well, someone better. Let’s check the online version of CM and see who’s done best.
Oh, come on. Today was appalling, but the first two games of last season were. Get over it.
There is no trillionaire cousin. We do the best we can.
18 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:16:52
More by accident than design, they bucked up in the mid eighties.
But to be sanguine in the face of this unfolding farce is the kind of gutless wimpery which will see us so far behind progressive clubs, we’ll never catch up.
19 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:14:10
He should have told the players before the Burnley game that the Clarets will be up for it but so would we and that will surprise them. But what happens? — nearly a goal down in the first minute.
Why Moyes persists with Hibbert and Osman, I will never understand. We need pace and at least Gosling and Vaughan would give us some.
Today we were loosing, and badly, yet Moyes makes just one substitution. Time and time again he dithers. We are so boring to watch and it's embarrassing. We cannot win every game but you would think we could be entertaining.
IF the Kirkby move is agreed then that would be the last straw. We need a miracle!!!
20 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:23:46
21 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:45:45
I am considering this being my last season going the game because the club is just not ambitious. The football we play is woefull hoofball shite.
Where the fuck is our chairman? When the sun is shining he is forever making statements and talking shit.
22 Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:49:22
But alas, Bullshit Bill has outdone himself yet again and my estmimation of Moyes and how he has handled both Lescott and silence on transfers withers more every day this goes on!!
Is he honesty expecting us to believe that Lescott WASN'T going to go to City? For fuck's sake, Tevez and Adebayor have signed!!! Doesn't take a genius to know he was going as well. So why not just say at the begining of July, "Right then, give us £24M and he is yours".
Then we spend that plus the £5M that was destined for Naughton (or was that just more bollocks?) on getting two centre-halves and a pacy winger? We can all see what is needed and the way that bullshit is continually spouted to the fans is an insult to us all.
23 Posted 23/08/2009 at 21:09:16
Under the current regime we have peaked. It’s highly unlikely we will finish 5th, and doubtful we will get to another cup final, let alone win one!
Spurs have been spending big for years and years, and although it’s early days it’s clear to see they are going to be challenging for European places this season.
City have spent over £200million!!!! Enough said.
Villa will challenge us again with perhaps Sunderland and Fulham.
I’m usually optimistic but I feel this whole JL saga has ruined our team spirit and it will take a while to repair and may never get back to the level it was.
Some fans are content with Kenwright and Co. Ask yourself this: Do you honestly see us bettering last season with the current set-up?
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum is, according to Robert Elstone, what we relate to and no longer "The People's club". He obviously never did Latin at school.
24 Posted 23/08/2009 at 21:14:56
It seems as though we haven't even learnt from lessons this season. When we allowed Jacobsen to go, I believed that the only way this would be allowed to happen is if Moyes had a replacement lined up; as it happen we had a bid accepted for Naughton... I thought "Great, good stuff," only for Spurs to poach him from under our noeses!
Lessons should have been learnt, Lescott should not be allowed to leave until these two centre-halves signing we were promised have signed on the dotted line, otherwise we will probably be left in limbo yet again!
How can these people be allowed to run a club? It beggars belief, if things were done correctly, either we would still have Jacobsen or Naughton and we would have two new centre-backs.
25 Posted 23/08/2009 at 21:43:41
26 Posted 23/08/2009 at 21:33:58
He’s now basically stating City have left it too late for him to bring in a replacement for Lescott (BBC website). The same Lescott who has apparently never been for sale
It’s not City’s fault we’re shite when it comes to transfers. Moyes — WE HAVE HAD AN ENTIRE TRANSFER WINDOW TO BUY PLAYERS. If Lescott always had his price, why haven’t you lined up a replacement?
Anyway, why would it be any different if City gave us £24M for him today? We still wouldn’t bring in any players before the deadline. We’ve proven time and time again that we’re completely incompetent in the transfer market — we’re a laughing stock.
I am completely fucked off with this club. The players, the manager, the board. Fucked off.
27 Posted 23/08/2009 at 22:27:12
I suggest this as one of a countless number of blues who are sick to the back teeth with recent (non-)events and a feeling of almost stifling frustration that nothing is being done. Surely if enough people come together then the club (ha!) — maybe even the local media — might have to acknowledge an increasing unrest.
There maybe many good reasons to shoot this idea down but I’m going mad sat in front of this computer screen feeling impotent.
28 Posted 23/08/2009 at 22:32:38
Sorry to say, but our fans think like we’re a small club. Seems that perhaps everyone associated with Everton feel that way too. The fact some fans cheered for Lescott to stay shows that we live in a fantasy land where players appreciate the fans and are loyal to their clubs. One day we’ll wake up but it’ll be too late.
29 Posted 23/08/2009 at 22:33:45
How about turning up with bright yellow plastic collecting buckets marked Everton transfer kitty! Or TAXI FOR KENwRIGHT signs!
I’ve totally had it with all the lies & let downs.
30 Posted 23/08/2009 at 16:46:59
I have just read the following qoute about Manchester City buying Lescott — Moyes says: 'If they say they are quite far on I'm sure they are. But we shouldn't have been asked to wait this length of time for an amount of cash we think was the correct value for the player. Real Madrid came in with the money (£80 million for Cristiano Ronaldo) for Manchester United the week after the end of the season. 'If the money had been offered in June it would have been a lot easier for us. The time is against us (to find a replacement).'
So why now is Moyes crying about needing the Lescott money to buy players in a hurry after telling us only a week ago Lescott is not for sale and I am bringing 4 players in? I am sick of the dishonesty.
Football is no longer entertainment, if it is, I want my money back as I am not being entertained and if you lie to me I will never trust you again. Moyes, Kenwright you have betrayed the the only loyal people in football, the fans.
31 Posted 24/08/2009 at 03:19:11
Says is all really. So much for Moyes calling the shots.
32 Posted 24/08/2009 at 09:45:02
I almost fell off my chair when I read this. Is it not his job to get us the best deal? What does he want, a fucking medal?
He must be one tired fucker, on account of all the "tireless work" he puts in. You have to wonder what the club thinks of us when they put statements like that on the OS.
Why I ever thought this summer would be different, I’ll never know. It’s the same shit every year, one step forward, two steps back. I see this year they’ve taken it a bit further, with DM outright lying to us as far as transfers are concerned.
33 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:44:24
Now if Lescott had a price as Moyes is now saying then why not turn round to City in the first week in July and say £24mil or don’t bother talking to me again. Gotta say though horses are much more loyal than some of the two-legged nags that grace the game of football!!!!
34 Posted 24/08/2009 at 17:45:28
1. interest being shown by a foreign multi-bilionaire
2. a different ground. No-one is going to be interested whilst we are in Goodison. Like it or not, that’s the truth
And even then its not something which will necessarily work. Liverpool is - still, despite the economic regeneration - a poor Northern city - and we are a club with a very focused local support which in these terms is a weakness not a strength.
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