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We're used to bullshit here at Planet Everton but our most recent history has taken it to a whole new level.
Bullshit bingo number 1: "Chairman Bill Kenwright has worked tirelessly to get the best deal for Everton, achieving a substantial increase on Manchester City's initial offer." — Why wasn't he working tirelessly to find 'investment', or sign new players?
Number 2: "I'm expecting two new players in the next 48 hours" — Although Moyes is a great organiser, motivator and talent spotter, his pre-season preparation and planning is weak. 48 hours = nine days and counting.
Add to the list of bullshit the mystery Banega deal, the Sendoros talks, the Naughton fiasco, Elm enjoying tours of Finch Farm without a deal on the table, and you unveil a shocking list of own goals.
I'll be forever blue but I'm seriously considering whether to go on Saturday if we are continually going to be fucked about with and served up the kind of crap we've witnessed since the cup final. Will we have to wait until the 'Deal of the Century' (double the cost of Kings Dock) is sorted before Blue Bill will fuck off? Will we have to wait until 2am on 1st September to reveal our 'big four' signings?
What a fuckin shambles. Not felt this low since the Dinamo Bucharest collapse.
Chris Jones, Posted 23/08/2009 at 20:11:53
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2 Posted 24/08/2009 at 07:03:49
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3 Posted 24/08/2009 at 08:07:32
4 Posted 24/08/2009 at 08:53:37
I hope Lescott warms his backside on the bench for most of the season but then I don’t suppose he won't mind for that weeky wage. Trust we will give him a rousing welcome at Goodison when we play Man City... it's not only Jeffers we should sing "One greedy bastard" to!
5 Posted 24/08/2009 at 09:00:45
"... served up with the kind of crap we’ve witnessed since the cup final." Only SINCE then?
"Our season starts here." Maybe. But that’s not good enough. Another greedy bastard gets £67,000 per week to make sure we’re ready for the first match, not the fourth.
6 Posted 24/08/2009 at 09:27:21
7 Posted 24/08/2009 at 09:46:06
Do you not think Kenwright should possibly fuck off with his two cronies?
8 Posted 24/08/2009 at 10:15:29
I’m surprised no-one has come on and explained this Banega deal. We seem to have so many people who post on here that claim to know about what’s going on who’ve now gone very quiet. What the fuck happened to all these medicals?
My thoughts are that Moyes is using the press to apply pressure to Billy Bullshit and the board to tie up these deals. It cannot then be seen as Moyess’ fault for dithering if he’s identified the players he wants — Naughton, Senderos, Taylor, Banega — and the Board haven’t delivered.
9 Posted 24/08/2009 at 10:37:35
10 Posted 24/08/2009 at 10:38:22
Just wish he would fuck off and take his disciples with him, 'coz they are fucking crucifying us supporters.
11 Posted 24/08/2009 at 10:42:50
The rest of the Premier League must be laughing their tits off. Other players must look at us and think we are a complete joke. The amount of transfers we've fucked up over the years is incredible.
I just hope Blue Bill isn't hiding some terrible secret about the actual state of our club. What is the reason investors choose other clubs rather than the fourth most successful club in England, a team that has been competing in the upper echelons of the Prem for the last 4 years? We need some answers.
12 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:08:35
I think we’d all happily settle for just the one terrible secret right now, Michael!
13 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:03:17
Something really strange is going on behind the scenes at Everton and it's only fair that the supporters are kept in the loop.
14 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:20:10
15 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:10:41
Banega was watched several times in pre-season by EFC, where he featured in virtually all of their games. I was told he was due to have a medical the day I mentioned, but that hasn’t been confirmed. The player said himself he expects to have a new club for this season. Maybe their officials have moved the goalposts after our routine dithering?
I also said we would be holding talks with Taylor and denied being told anything about Bystrov. I was told we were trying to sign Bentley not Bystrov but City and Villa were also in for him.
As I’ve said before I have no reason to lie, and if you go over what I have said it’s not fantasy bullshit.
1. We were after Banega. A week later we successfully applied for a work permit.
2. We were trying to sign Taylor. Thursday evening it was on SSN we were holding talks with Taylor.
3. I said I’d heard nothing about Bystrov. Moyes comes on the OS and denies it.
In future I will keep my gob shut!
16 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:25:27
How is this a lie? Because they haven’t materialised doesn’t mean he wasn’t expecting it!
Also regarding Elm, I’d assume it’s the norm to view the facilities a potential club before agreeing a deal.
17 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:26:18
At the time I stuck my neck out and said he definitely would be sold and that if the club received an offer of £25m they wouldn’t think twice as I firmly believed that was what they were holding out for. They’ve now settled for a figure close to that so not a bad estimate really.
No crystal ball needed and no contact at the club required. Simply a figure plucked out of the air based on other transfers e.g. Glen Johnson £18m and my limited knowledge of how the bargaining process works.
I was convinced we’d sell on the basis of comments made by Moyes. When he said the club did not wish to sell and then added their (City’s) valuation does not match ours. I thought well if we’re not willing to sell what the hell are we disputing a valuation. Didn’t make sense really.
I do have some sympathy for Moyes though he’s relying upon a bunch of amateurs to conduct proceedings on his behalf and when these fail to materialise he’s left with egg on his face.
18 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:40:29
"All I know is that it should never have taken this long for the correct amount of money to be offered. Real Madrid paid Manchester United the going rate for Cristiano Ronaldo a week after the end of last season. There’s no way we should have been kept waiting this long."
I thought he wasn't going to sell any players as we didn't need to...???
19 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:41:06
20 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:47:04
Fabian Delph, Kyle Naughton are both examples of us being interested, but then trying to sort out our drip payments which clubs don’t want! Other clubs come in and say we will give you what you want upfront. So we miss out because we don’t have the cash to pay.
As many people have said, before we sign players we don’t hear about until they sign. Simply because if another club comes in we can’t compete. Yet with the media today it’s virtually impossible to keep a lid on targets. Clubs and agents contact other clubs and say "we have been offered x amount for such and such a player" to try and start a bidding war.
We just don’t have the money and until the current regime is replaced we never will have.
21 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:15:46
More bollocks.
22 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:16:22
23 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:36:50
Yeah, here we fucking go... Moyes, get some balls and demand transfer money or hand in a resignation — and if you stay can you fuck this 4-5-1 shite off.
Kenwright out!!!!!
24 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:35:52
Hopefully by the end of the week we will be in the group stage of Europe, beat Wigan, and have Banega, Bilyaletdinov, and at least one centre half in.
25 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:44:08
I’ve just discovered a friend of mine is friends with one of the medical staff at Everton so I hope to be able to confirm these ’medicals’ this week. I can’t wait to be one of these people ’in the know’.
26 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:53:13
27 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:56:00
28 Posted 24/08/2009 at 12:51:34
All he said was, and I quote SSN: "I can't talk about Everton, but I will be leaving Valencia this season." Nowhere did he mention that he would not be going to Everton, he just said he could not talk about it. So when people come on saying it's all bullshit, that Valencia said this and that, please try tell the whole story not just the one that sits well with certain people's own ideas.
29 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:07:29
His agent said he’d never had any contact with us — that’s pretty conclusive.
30 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:02:10
Everton are not looking to sign Bystrov or Bilyaletdinov, apparently due to the constant shouts at Moyes to get Osman off, officials have spent the last 4 weeks in Russia trying to locate this player called Osmanov. Don’t hold your breath on that one until you see the photo in the back of the Echo.
31 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:16:28
Under the freedom of information act could anyone get hold of the work permit application for Banega?
32 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:15:46
Now we have funds why should they loan at all? They want their €18 mill back, ideally to offload a player who was loaned out last season anyway. Now he has a work permit, any team in the PL can come in and bag him — so they want a bidding war.
That's my reading between the lines anyway.
33 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:09:31
Banega / Valencia. Banega must have known about moving to Everton, as Jay Woods has confirmed. Trying to see the best of our club, I imagine we are speaking to the ’real decision makers’ at Valencia — to quote Mark Hughes.
Point to note, I’ve spent 15 mins trying to find an article on the Valenica official website saying that he is not moving... but I cannot. Perhaps Moyes is not lying on this one.
Finally, Alan Clarke. Last week I said Banega was a winger, but in fact you are correct he is CM.
34 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:23:32
Plus they work Flexi. So add on days off, and finishing early. Making a brew deducted.
So if that is took into consideration then 48 hrs is up on 31/08/09 23.55
35 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:15:53
36 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:47:52
Concentrating on just transfer dealings, you must remember Kanchelskis being paraded before he was signed. The facts are that we have supposedly got a work permit for Banega. Why the hell didn’t we have a contract in place to sign him on loan, conditional upon a work permit?
Clearly we didn’t and no doubt Valencia will now increase his loan or transfer fee as we’ve done them the favour of getting a work permit. The best case scenario is that our Board have fucked up — worst case is that they’ve lied and no deal whatsoever.
37 Posted 24/08/2009 at 13:56:51
That’s about as conclusive and trustworthy as a fart in a jar.
38 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:06:15
It’s conclusive - Moyes already admitted he hadn’t spoken to the player - therefore it’s likely that there’s been no contact with the agent...
No doubt they were simply at the club negotiation stage....
Now, if Moyes admits the club has not spoken to the player...then how could they have arranged a work permit application without his consent and documents?
This whole thing stinks to high heaven!
39 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:18:31
40 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:21:35
41 Posted 24/08/2009 at 06:06:00
When will we learn?
42 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:45:16
Also if there really was no application for a work permit and it was just a big lie, why come out and say that the application was passed? How come they did not just say it was turned down and that is the end of it?
I am as pissed off as anybody with BK, and I don't think he could run a brothel in a prison, but call me naive, but I don't think Moyes would lie to that level. Let's remember, Valencia don't exactly have a good track record with us when it comes to transfers, e.g. Sissoko.
All I am saying is it has not been denied by the player. Simple. No sticking up for BK or anyone, just saying what has been said by the player and Valencia, not just selecting various denials and sticking them up to suit my own ends. Just the facts, Jack, just the facts!
43 Posted 24/08/2009 at 14:56:08
Peter Griffin, it’s nothing new for clubs to pay "on the drip" for players. Remember Steve Daley who went to Citteh from Wolves? He was playing non-league against Rhyl in the 80s and Wolves STILL hadn’t received all the money from the transfer to Citteh.
44 Posted 24/08/2009 at 15:10:09
45 Posted 24/08/2009 at 15:17:48
I will let you know either Wednesday or Thursday what I hear BUT I would still take it with a pinch of salt.
46 Posted 24/08/2009 at 15:41:46
47 Posted 24/08/2009 at 15:53:45
Seriously though why are so incompetent in the transfer market. Why is there so much confusion over Banega? It just seems like a dreamworld, or rather a nightmare, to get to this stage of the window and only now looking at bringing people in. I really don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
I just wish we could fast forward to next week and see where we’re at. All this speculation is at best frustrating and at worst just making our club look totally inept.
Wonder if they’ll start trying to organise piss-ups in breweries as an extra revenue stream?
48 Posted 24/08/2009 at 15:57:51
Enough is enough. I’m sick and tired of that miserable bastard Moyes moaning to the press about this and that. You signed the fucking contract extension didn’t you? Then you’re on board with Kenwright and the rest of the clueless morons who continually take us supporters for mugs. His self-pity act is rapidly getting on my tits now.
If Moyes can’t spend the Lescott money in the next 8 days then what the fuck has he been doing for the past 6-7 weeks? He MUST have targets, he must know where we need cover/strengthening, and he must know he needs to get that fat arse Kenwright to hurry deals through.
Quit the victim act and do your fucking job or piss off.
49 Posted 24/08/2009 at 18:59:41
50 Posted 24/08/2009 at 19:50:16
Loved the Osmanov joke, Wouldn’t mind Hibbertov as well. Berbatov? That’s a different matter!
51 Posted 24/08/2009 at 21:05:30
52 Posted 24/08/2009 at 11:07:56
Ever Banega — I know nothing about him, other than that his disciplinary record appears to make Joey Barton a saint. But we have allegedly applied for a work permit for the guy. Yet Valencia (and the player) claim not to know of our interest,
Surely in applying for a work permit, we would require consent from at the very least the player, and furthermore we would be required to disclose certain personal information that could only be gleaned from the player, his agent, or his current employers?
I have to assume that we did in fact attend a court hearing, and we were granted a permit, as this couldn't possibly be another media management exercise. Can anyone enlighten me, as to whether this is a stunt? Can we apply for a work permit without seeking consent, and if we could, why would we?
Or is it as I suspect that Valencia have now changed their minds when, during negotiations, we forgot to mention, that we don't actually buy any players, we only loan them, then offer to pay for them slower than a chav pays his court fines?
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1 Posted 24/08/2009 at 06:50:13
Moyes should keep us up this year but that’s all we can realistically hope for. From his point of view that’s hardly going to land him the Man U job tho. His stock is highest now so he’d do well to walk away from this shambles.