ToffeeWeb - Season 2009-10

Michael Kenrick

Sorry... bit late with this, but let's have this as the Matchday Thread. I'm would move posts here... if I could find any!

Graham Holliday
1 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:34:42

Even with 10 men, hopefully...

Gosling’s not looking too bad at RB so far.

Paul O'Grady
2 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:38:03

Shaky start from the boys but Osman is poor as usual, his lack of quality in simple passes is awful.

Matt Brown
3 Posted 27/08/2009 at 09:00:41

Just a quick note to say Five are showing the game tonight with coverage starting at 4.55pm.

Anyone know any good excuses to get away from work early?!!

COYB!

Viv Sharma
4 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:38:48

How come Nev is outshining Yobo?
JY doesn’t look around and know where players are but Nev is contantly looking around.
Also, why no Vaughn?
Moyes yas quoted on the OS as saying this might well be ’his year’. well? go on then, play him!

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
5 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:42:43

Coming in late... Hibbert sent off? What’s the story there, lads?

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
6 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:43:43

Stevie baby!!!!

Graham Holliday
7 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:43:24

Stevie, you little genius!!!

Paul O'Grady
8 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:39:55

Quality cross from Osman, all is forgiven. Great finish from peanut. COYB

Martin Cutler
9 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:45:06

Nice goal, nice assist/cross from Osman!
1 - 0
More?

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
10 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:44:40

Osman, fantastic pinpoint cross, slack marking but excellent control and execution by Pienaar.

David Barks
11 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:45:26

Osman gets called poor. Osman sets up goal.

Viv Sharma
12 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:44:05

Denying a goalscoring chance.
Poor play from our CBs, JY let the ball run through and it was picked up on the edge of the box by thier striker, through on goal 20 yards out. Hibbo chased back had to lunge in and caught him. Last man, straight red but Hibbo may well have got a touch

Graham Holliday
13 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:44:43

Piss poor pass from Baines, Yobo stood looking at it rather than reacting...

Hibbert decided to lunge in to try and stop their front lad getting a free shot from edge of the box - he might have made a bit of contact with the ball - but a shambles nonetheless.

Ajay Gopal
14 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:49:43

Any links for this game on the net ?

Stuart Mitchell
15 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:52:17

http://www.hostream.net/channel-4.html

Martin Cutler
16 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:56:15

http://iraqgoals.net/

Graham Holliday
17 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:55:55

I do hope there’s another CB on their way, along with Distin. Can’t say I’m entirely delighted about Yobo being first choice until Jags gets back.

Liking the look of young Gosling at RB though, was never convinced by him as a winger...

Stephen Parris
18 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:54:25

Blatantly Baines who is at fault for the sending off incident.....I wouldn’t be blaming Yobo for that too much though, although he perhaps could have reacted quicker, but then he wouldn’t have expected that really !!

Still atleast it gets Hibbert off the pitch, haha, and i’m rather impressed with Gosling at RB so far.....why have we been playing Hibbert there instead of him ?!?! Might be something to look at now ?

Who said Osman was playing poor ?!?! Come on now, lets be serious, Osman has had a good half and at no point has he been poor......nice to see him work some magic to prove just that...lovely bit of skill to get past the two players, and great composure and vision to pick out Pienaar...lovely finish Stevie !!! You are truly a little genius !!
COYB !!!

Glen Anderson
19 Posted 27/08/2009 at 17:58:53

For those who missed the Hibbo incident, it was more or less like this:

Some nice passing to feet from Sigma puts a striker through on goal on the left side of the box. Hibbo tracks back and tackles the striker from behind just outside the box as the striker is running on goal.

He may have got a little toe on the ball but he brings the striker down doing so. Straight red from the ref who deems it a clear goalscoring opportunity denied for Sigma.

Can’t argue really, Hibbo and Neville should have been better positioned, Hibbo should have made sure he got a cleaner hold of the ball when making the tackle.

Poor Sigma, we’re probably playing better without Hibbo than with him.

Christopher Brierley
20 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:04:04

Baines has been a total liability in this game so far. It was a cock up from him that got us down to 10 men in the first place. Lets hope he gets his arse in gear for the second half.

Alex Quigley
21 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:07:39

A genius response by Pat Nevin at half time to Mark Hughes’ suggestion that Lescott was the best centre half in the Prem ; "I’m not even sure he was the best defender at Everton! Jagielka (was rightly) the player of the year."

Viv Sharma
22 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:01:29

Anyone know who is on the bench?

Kevin Hudson
23 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:08:10

Anyone see that fella getting filled in at the start of the game ?? !!

Graham Holliday
24 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:11:30

Nash, Saha, Yakubu, Cahill, Baxter, Wallace, Duffy

Anthony Gird
25 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:10:15

But again, Osman performs in a low pressure game. Next game with serious pressure and he’ll fold again.

Raymond Choi
26 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:12:14

sorry, I am new to this live stream thing. Is it supposed to stop every 15 seconds to say ’They’ve reached the maximum number of streams’ ??

Anthony Gird
27 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:10:15

But again, Osman performs in a low pressure game. Next game with serious pressure and he’ll fold again.

Robert Moore
28 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:12:21

I’ve just seen Yobo running with the ball — a rare sighting!!!

Richard Porter
29 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:13:50

Viv: bench is Nash, Duffy, Wallace, Baxter, Cahill, Saha, Yakubu

Chris Jones
30 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:13:08

Oh for the love of Leon!

Looks a far better centre mid player but you’re right Anthony always shines against mid to low table sides. A good reserve / sub. Felli’s not my favourite but looks twice the player in a flat four.

Yobo looked like to Joseph of old for a minute there!

Robert Moore
31 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:14:10

Excellent Link - for match
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/live-tv/41045-british-tv.html

Ajay Gopal
32 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:14:50

Raymond, I have the same problem here in India tryi ng to watch the game.

Chris Jones
33 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:15:54

P.S. Wonder if Vaughan is on his way?

Ajay Gopal
34 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:16:34

Vaughan not even on the bench ! Looks like the demise of another striker at Everton to me... (sad, because he was my favourite player)

Viv Sharma
35 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:18:15

Thanks. I asked coz I was wondering about JV too...
OS says he isn’t injured...(surprisingly)

Matthew Salem
36 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:19:09

I hope the Yak gets 10 min of playing time. Feed the Yak.

Graham Holliday
37 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:21:31

Good to see the big Fella getting up and down today

Anthony Gird
38 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:10:15

Raymond, Ajay - I have the same problem in South Africa. Sucks! There is a way to get around it if you’re on a PC. someone posted it on the last Sigma game. I’m on mac tho...

Ajay Gopal
39 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:24:32

Wallace on for Pienaar

Martin Cutler
40 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:23:39

Wow, Moyes is actually subbing!!!

Raymond Choi
41 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:25:21

Anthony - I am on Mac too =(

Pienaar, Osman off
Wallace, Baxter on

Stephen Parris
42 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:23:38

Agree with comments about Osman playing better against lesser teams, but still a very tidy little player and great squad player....definately better in the middle of the park too !!

Fellaini also looking much much better in a centre mid position !!

Pienaar & Osman off.................Baxter & Wallace on !!

Go on lads......lets see you shine !!

David McKitt
43 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:28:35

What a ball from rodwell..

Stephen Parris
44 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:30:26

Rodwell = talent !!

Anthony Gird
45 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:30:17

If only we had a big enough squad for Osman to be a squad player...

Rory Slingo
46 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:30:31

for the chaps outside of UK getting the ’max users reached’ message from the streaming sites, if you’re on a PC you can download the program called Ultra Surf.
http://www.ultrareach.com/download_en.htm

i’m on a Macbook so i have to boot into Windows to use it. if you’re stuck on OSX, unfortunately, I haven’t found a solution. there just isn’t much p2p support for us Mac users yet.

Steve Jones
47 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:34:04

looks like the Yaks coming on !

Ajay Gopal
48 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:34:19

Jo has looked pretty useful (whenever my video stream has been working)

Chris Jones
49 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:32:56

Is it just me or is Rodwell a midfielder not a centre half - what a player! Need to leave the skipper at full back.

Would sooner we bought just one more player - another quality midfielder and we’ll be sorted.

David McKitt
50 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:34:38

feed the yak!

Stephen Parris
51 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:34:39

The Yak is Back !!

Raymond Choi
52 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:35:12

It’s great to see the Yak coming on !

Now resort to having three browsers and refreshing each one alternately every 10 seconds... I am demented !

Ajay Gopal
53 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:35:17

Sorry , read that as "useless".

On cue, Yakubu on for Jo !!

Stuart Mitchell
54 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:36:13

So happy to see the Yak back for us, helps me forget the Lescott saga

Steve Jones
55 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:36:44

Is this James Wallace’s debut for the first team in competitive games?
He looked good for the reserves, as did Duffy.

Steve Jones
56 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:38:42

10 minutes to hang on - wasnt even a free kick

David McKitt
57 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:40:28

I know we’ve scored 5.. but that goal was given away too easy to them..

Glen Anderson
58 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:43:51

Good to see us finishing the game with four decent teenage players on the pitch in Rodwell, Gosling, Baxter and Wallace.

Rodwell has an undoubtedly bright future and even if the other three turn into squad players it’s looking good for Everton.

Anthony Gird
59 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:44:10

Thanks anyway Rory. Apparently there may be a way to get around it on Mac by changing proxy server or something. Oh well.

Steve Jones
60 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:41:27

What about Vaughan missing? Could be part ex with Ryan Shawcross from Stoke - now Stoke have signed Huth?

Gerry Quinn
61 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:50:48

Anyone know how many Everton fans are there - don’t have to name them all, just a rough number?

Raymond Choi
62 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:51:21

Thanks Rory. That’ll be useful for the next European match.

Glen Anderson
63 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:49:18

@ Steve Jones - That’s a decent theory as Stoke were in for Vaughan earlier this Summer.

I don’t know much about Shawcross’s defensive abilities but a quick glance at his stats show that he’s a defender that chips in with the odd goal and as long as Moyes teaches him the finer arts of defending, I would willingly sacrifice Vaughan in a part-ex for him.

Rory Slingo
64 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:51:12

Hi Anthony, yes if you could spoof your IP to make the sites think you are located in UK, you could get it to work that way.

anyway, well done the boys! silly goal to give away. but nice to see the youngsters get a run out and... the Yak is back!!

Andrew Bankes
65 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:56:55

Was Kevin Ratcliffe watching the same match?! That was a pretty poor performance on the whole... Jo and Osman even managed to look out of their depth against a second rate Czech team!

Paul Norman
66 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:02:58

Without wishing to join in the paranoia/misery stakes on here, did anyone else notice that no-one (on the pitch) celebrated with Pienaar, and that he looked pretty miserable when he came off?

Dan Brierley
67 Posted 27/08/2009 at 18:59:41

I am suprised about some of the Vaughan comments. He has been in the first team for 5 years now, and managed just 34 league games. Considering the strikers we have now, I say get rid. He is miles behind the Yak, Cahill, Jo and Saha as a striker. I’d rather see Agard and Baxter given the chance now.

Tim Lever
68 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:13:12

I thought Fellaini had a great game in the holding midfield role.

Robert Moore
69 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:14:01

Great to see the Yak Back, things are slowly starting to look better, few more signings and well start to climb the table!!

COYB

Ray Robinson
70 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:18:15

The sending off was brought about by slack play by Baines and I didn’t think that Hibbert deserved to be sent off - having played the ball. However, his style of last ditch tackling is always liable to bring about cards. Notice the trend - Villa away, Wembley amd tonight. Carded early on and then walking a tightrope for the majority of the game / or sent off. The man is a liability.

Chris Jones
71 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:23:35

@Paul

Peanuts made a B-line to celebrate with the Yak, who came off the bench to give him some skin, as they say.

@ Andrew

Given we played practically the whole match with 10 men, no, I don’t think we were poor. I thought Jo did what he had to and Osman made the goal that meant they had to score six (not a worry when we’re not playing the Gooners).

Job done, the Yak back on the pitch and no injuries. Hurrah!

Ciarán McGlone
72 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:49:00

I know it was 10 men an all..by my god - that was hard watching.

I don’t know why Fellaini, Osman and Jo are getting plaudits - I though they were poor..Apart from the goal Osman did nothing but lose the ball, Jo couldn’t trap a medicine ball,,,and Fellaini’s ’jogging’ is really starting to get on my mamaries.

The only good bits were Pienaar, Gosling in right back and young wallace ...oh and yak being back on the pitch..

Lucky the opposition were cack.

As for Distin...probably a great signing as cover but I’m slightly worried he’s out replacement centre half - terrible memories of Weir getting picked everyweek flash before my eyes..

Gerry Western
73 Posted 27/08/2009 at 19:45:09

Thought Fellaini had a really good game I’ve been saying since the season kicked off that we should be playing 4-4-2 with Fellaini and Rodwell in the middle and Cahill in behind the striker. Lots of discussions surrounding the goal conceded. Regardless of who contributed there is no escaping the fact Hibbert went to sleep. He was way to slow off the blocks and paid the ultimate penalty. Thought Jo deserved some praise he worked tirelessly upfront on his own after the sending off.

A note on the Vaughan comments. I did read somewhere that Vaughan was being considered for a one year lone deal as a sweetener in an effort to secure one the centre backs we’ve been linked to. Unfortunately, I dismissed it as a load of nonsense and didn’t pay to much attention to the club named in the article. Could be there was some substance to it, but I’m still inclined to believe it was yet more tabloid garbage.

Chris Jones
74 Posted 27/08/2009 at 20:35:50

Fuckin’ell Ciaran must be hard going in your house mate?! I’m not Felli’s biggest fan but he dominated the centre with Jack.

You should be proud of the ten men who showed real guts and application to boss a game against the odds. Sigma weren’t great but they weren’t crap either.

Personally, I don’t think we need another centre-half — would sooner see a quality midfielder brought in.

Andrew Bankes
75 Posted 27/08/2009 at 20:38:39

Chris Jones

I have to disagree I’m afraid. We were fairly well organised (particularly as we were down to 10) but given the quality of the opposition our passing, hold up play and penetration was awful.

As pointed out above, apart from the goal Osman continually gave the ball away or fell over (as per usual), and the ball seemed to be allergic to Jo (the awful long balls weren’t much to go on though, granted) and he looks almost as slow as Osman!

I’ve generally try to avoid repeatedly singling out players for stick, but watching our performances of late I feel a horrible rage building inside of me when the same players keep on making the same stupid basic mistakes. As a team we can be almost embarrassing to watch sometimes. I hope to god we get a few new faces in and Moyes changes things round - both results and performance wise.

Thomas Christensen
76 Posted 27/08/2009 at 21:15:10

No one has mentioned Captain Pip - he was bloody brilliant today.

The left side our Everton was quality as is now the norm.

Paul Gladwell
77 Posted 27/08/2009 at 21:24:07

Thought Fellaini was much better playing deep, get Cahill back to where he is best now and leave Fellaini deep.

Trevor Williams
78 Posted 27/08/2009 at 21:50:38

Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.
------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ----------------
Werder Bremen Ger 91.339 Steaua Bucuresti ** Rom 53.781
Villarreal Esp 80.853 Fenerbahçe *3 Tur 52.445
AS Roma *3 Ita 78.582 FC Basel ** Sui 51.050
PSV Eindhoven *3 Ned 75.826 Lille OSC *3 Fra 47.033
Shakhtar Donetsk @3 Ukr 74.370 Celtic @4 Sco 40.575
Zenit St. Petersburg Rus 68.525 Everton Eng 35.899
Sporting CP Lisbon @4 Por 68.292 Club Brugge *3 Bel 34.065
Hamburger SV *3 Ger 67.339 Heerenveen Ned 33.826
Benfica Por 64.292 Galatasaray ** Tur 33.445
Valencia Esp 59.853 Anderlecht @4 Bel 32.065
Panathinaikos @4 Gre 56.633 Austria Wien *3 Aut 31.565
Ajax Ned 54.826 FC København @4 Den 26.890

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.
------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ----------------
Lazio Roma Ita 26.582 FC Twente Enschede @3 Ned 17.826
Hertha BSC Ger 26.339 Dinamo Zagreb @3 Cro 16.466
Sparta Praha @3 Cze 26.150 Litex Lovech Bul 16.250
Dinamo Bucuresti Rom 25.781 Fulham FC *3 Eng 15.899
AEK Athens Gre 25.633 CSKA Sofia *3 Bul 14.250
Slavia Praha @3 Cze 25.150 Toulouse FC Fra 14.033
Metalist Kharkiv *3 Ukr 24.370 CFR Cluj Rom 13.781
Levski Sofia @4 Bul 24.250 OB Odense *3 Den 12.890
Aston Villa Eng 23.899 FC Timisoara @4 Rom 7.781
Athletic Bilbao *3 Esp 23.853 FC Salzburg @4 Aut 6.565
Partizan Belgrade @3 Srb 23.050 FK Ventspils @4 Lat 2.832
Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr 18.050 Sheriff Tiraspol @4 Mol 1.333

Trevor Williams
79 Posted 27/08/2009 at 21:50:55

Sorry guys, here's the link instead, lol — to see who we may play and who we won't

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedel2009.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page

Keith Glazzard
80 Posted 27/08/2009 at 22:14:22

Jo would have scored if he hadn’t have been fouled in the box during a first half when the ref was giving us nothing (free kicks, corners, throw-ins - you name it). He worked his sox off for us, one up in a 10 man team, he chased everything.

Gosling - we tend to forget, especially after "the" goal, was a RB when he came. He did well tonight and its an interesting idea for the future.

And I’ll vote for Cap’n Pip too. It could be his last game at CB tonight , possibly on Sunday, but he’ll be RB in the next Euro game I guess. But its good to know he can slot in there if needed (keeping Jack in midfield).

And a late word for poor old Villa. Drew a decent side to qualify against, and didn’t make it. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.

Ellen West
81 Posted 27/08/2009 at 22:26:09

...and a big well done to Rapid. Looking forward to meeting them on the way to the final.

Ian Evans
82 Posted 27/08/2009 at 23:27:15

Just thought I’d add a comment about Fellaini. Definately looks better in centre mid and looks very good on the ball, if we had pace on both wings it would suit him even more like he had at at Liege (Dalmat). However he does allow players to drift away from him - he always seems to follow the ball rather than another player who runs past him therefore a simple one-two can see him easily out of position.

Nick Broadhurst
83 Posted 27/08/2009 at 23:42:23

@ Ciarán

What match were you watching mate? Next to Pienaar, Fellaini was the best player on the pitch! Totally commanded the midfield.

Solid performance overall, especially considering we played with 10 men for over 80 minutes. Both goals were nice finishes.

Can’t wait for the draw tomorrow! COYB!!

Nick Xenos
84 Posted 28/08/2009 at 02:31:56

I tend to agree with Andrew Bankes in that I don’t think we played particularly well. What was it with Howard continually pumping his goal kicks right up the middle of the park to Jo, where he lost pretty much every ball by been outnumbered 3 to 1. I wish I shared the same optimism as everyone else in Gosling but I see little to get excited about. Maybe i’m been a bit harsh on the youngster but he has no pace, no ball control, no awareness and his distribution is poor. Maybe sending him out on loan will do him good as I don’t think he will offer us much this season. Osman was poor as usual, getting knocked off the ball too easily, running into cul-de-sacs as per usual. If he couldn’t find Pienaar with a 10yd pass with that much time on the ball, then he shouldn’t be playing pro football at all. Pienaar was by far our best player again and I hope that some of the new boys we’re supposed to be bringing in are of the caliber of the little man.

Ciarán McGlone
85 Posted 28/08/2009 at 08:41:16

Jo would have scored if he hadn’t have been fouled in the box during a first half when the ref was giving us nothing
------------------------
Yeah right.

@Nick

What match where you watching mate (I hate that phrase)...

Fellaini didn’t exactly do anything wrong with the ball once he got it..apart from the odd hospital pass...It’s his lack of closing down or finding space that really annoys me...he ’shrugs’ around the pitch and the players he is supposed to be closing down seem to have some kind of exclusion zone around them...I’d rather he got the odd yellow than behaved like a zombie.

I guess we both disagree on what constitutes effective midfield play - I think closing down and find space are necessary offensive and defensive duties - Fellaini didn’t do either. I was not watching a different game - tsssk!