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My god what a load of rubbish we are!! Anyone who watched the Sigma game will no doubt feel short-changed by the standard of football, to be blunt it was a DISGRACE.
Yes, we won 5-1 overall but to watch that shitty hoofball is driving me insane!!!!! During the whole 90 minutes we didn't string more than 5 passes together, the only players who looked comfortable on the ball were Rodwell and Pienaar... WTF is going on at the club? Are the players just not good enough? Is this the game plan of our manager just to simply hoof it up and hope to get something? Do they practice pass and move in training?
It really is depressing, we must be the worst team to watch in the Premier League!! What's the point in having a 5-man midfield if we are just going to bypass them at every opportunity?
And as for you people out there who say, "Yea, but Osman is a centre-midfielder," ... bollocks! He was even worse last night bar, setting up the goal — and Fellaini is he getting worse game by game!! €15 million but no pace, he turns like a double-decker bus, cant win a header even though he's 20 foot tall... shocking!
Without Arteta, we have no guile whatsoever. If we have any money left, it's time we got someone in who can control the midfield... Segesson, Moutinho, Defour? Sigma was a poor man's Dundee Utd and yet they look more comfortable on the ball.
Anyone watch the Villa game afterwards? I can honestly say that there was more passing and moving in the first 5 minutes from Villa then there was from Everton in whole 90!!
ps: We missed the boat with that lad Delph, looks a class act.
Sean Mckenna, Posted 28/08/2009 at 11:24:41
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Michael Kenrick
Uh-oh... another one who's cracked under the strain. C'mon, people, keep it together now... less than a week left!
Alan Clarke
1 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:36:17
1 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:36:17
Away from home with 10 men in 30 degree heat, is this post a piss take?
Ian McDowell
2 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:40:11
2 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:40:11
yeah but who did Villa get in the draw?
Colin Potter
3 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:48:42
3 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:48:42
One thing Moyes does know about pass and move Sean, is when he passes wind he moves so he can plead ignorance.
Peter Roberts
4 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:52:05
4 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:52:05
Sean, in fairness we weren’t helped by the fact we were down to 10 men with less than 6 minutes gone. After that, it was a simple job of containing the threat and seeing the tie out. Wigan, hopefully will be a different matter altogether. Home, with new signings in the squad, and hopefully a better understanding among each other.
Dan McKie
5 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:54:27
5 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:54:27
I sooner play rubbish and get through, then play pretty football and get knocked out!! It was just a ’get it over with’ game, and thats what they did! They played 83 minutes with 10 men and still looked the better side. I also thought Fellaini was everywhere and played well.
Andrew Keatley
6 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:54:02
6 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:54:02
Yes. Fabian Delph looks a good player. With the ball at his feet. But I believe it was him who did not track back into the Villa box with the lad he was marking that ultimately led to the Rapid Vienna goal.
You roughly have the ball for 50% of the game. The 50% of the time Sigma had the ball (and against 10 men) I thought the team did pretty well. They certainly didn’t bludgeon us - which we probably all slightly feared come Hibbert’s dismissal.
You roughly have the ball for 50% of the game. The 50% of the time Sigma had the ball (and against 10 men) I thought the team did pretty well. They certainly didn’t bludgeon us - which we probably all slightly feared come Hibbert’s dismissal.
Martin Cutler
7 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:51:07
7 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:51:07
As Ian said ... where are Villa now?
To all intents and purposes we had qualified prior to the game yesterday (even on a bad day I couldn’t imagine us losing 0-5 to that team) so to go flat-out, risk injuries etc., etc? Was it worth it?
Now, with that said, in a more general sense I agree we do need to get as far away as possible from the "hoof ball" style of play (I’m not denying we do it) but to base your comment on yesterdays game was a bit much.
But I do agree we need a player like the one’s you mentioned .... we don’t seem to have any real physical power in midfield ... even Arteta when he returns (I can’t wait!) is hardly the physical type.
First things first though ... we need to thrash Wigan on Sunday!
To all intents and purposes we had qualified prior to the game yesterday (even on a bad day I couldn’t imagine us losing 0-5 to that team) so to go flat-out, risk injuries etc., etc? Was it worth it?
Now, with that said, in a more general sense I agree we do need to get as far away as possible from the "hoof ball" style of play (I’m not denying we do it) but to base your comment on yesterdays game was a bit much.
But I do agree we need a player like the one’s you mentioned .... we don’t seem to have any real physical power in midfield ... even Arteta when he returns (I can’t wait!) is hardly the physical type.
First things first though ... we need to thrash Wigan on Sunday!
Dan McKie
8 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:57:50
8 Posted 28/08/2009 at 15:57:50
Also, the Delph thing was alledgedly due to the fact that Leeds wouldnt talk to us because we took that left back Garbutt from them, hence the story of ’we will only speak to villa because they conduct themselves well’ in the papers!
David Barks
9 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:05:37
9 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:05:37
I know, we’re terrible. I wish we could be in Villa’s situation. I mean, they just played beautiful football and dominated while we were terrible. Gutted we’re out of Europe and Villa have moved on. What’s that? We moved on? Villa were knocked out? We won 5-1 on aggregate and Villa are done before the competition even got going? Oh. And we were playing the entire match with 10 men, a teenage midfielder playing right back, away from home, and we got a 1-1 draw? Wow. And how could Sigma be a poor man’s Dundee if they knocked out a side far above Dundee in that league, on an aggregate of 8-1 I believe?? We played with 10 mean away from home protecting a 4-0 lead, of course we played a defensive match, that’s just common sense.
Keith Glazzard
10 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:02:30
10 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:02:30
Thank the lord Moyes’ boys played like that last night. I thought they’d forgotten how. They could have done with a lot more of that kind of organisation against Arsenal and some of the determination to get a result at Burnley. Yes, of course we have to play better. But it has to start from basics at the back and in midfield.
My paper’s headline today says "Villa stumble out of Europa League at the first hurdle". O’Neill was left talking about "should have" and "the group stages would have been a great experience..." If Moyes said anything more than ’job done’ he was wasting his breath.
As Eduardo’s shameful dive is in the news, it might be pointed out that Villa’s second (yes, second) penalty last night came from a very dubious fall by Ashley Young. Perhaps we should be coaching ’how to be cheating bastards’ at Finch Farm - as they obviously do at many other clubs. Perhaps not.
My paper’s headline today says "Villa stumble out of Europa League at the first hurdle". O’Neill was left talking about "should have" and "the group stages would have been a great experience..." If Moyes said anything more than ’job done’ he was wasting his breath.
As Eduardo’s shameful dive is in the news, it might be pointed out that Villa’s second (yes, second) penalty last night came from a very dubious fall by Ashley Young. Perhaps we should be coaching ’how to be cheating bastards’ at Finch Farm - as they obviously do at many other clubs. Perhaps not.
John Gaulton
11 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:18:05
11 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:18:05
I agree the standard of football was pretty depressing and we are missing that person (Arteta) who can put their foot on the ball and pick a pass.
..but I got the impression that is was more of a training match in the end, there was no point in exerting the players for a game that was already over...but again we should really expect to be able to pass the ball better.
Also we did have a lot of kids on in the second half just to give them a run out. I think in the Wigan game we will see an improvement
..but I got the impression that is was more of a training match in the end, there was no point in exerting the players for a game that was already over...but again we should really expect to be able to pass the ball better.
Also we did have a lot of kids on in the second half just to give them a run out. I think in the Wigan game we will see an improvement
Dan Parker
12 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:28:29
12 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:28:29
So you’d rather us have played like Villa and get knocked out? I’ll take playing crap football and getting through any day! Beats last year!
Frank McGregor
13 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:27:37
13 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:27:37
Cheer up guys we have 3 new players and 3 points behind Liverpool with a game in hand.Happy Days
Tony Lockett
14 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:28:27
14 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:28:27
Sigma was a poor man’s Dundee Utd
WTF???? Say what you like about Sigma, but I will accept no slander regarding Dundee Utd.
I only watched the first half (from the 10th minute onwards), but I’m sure I saw more than 5 passes in a row a few times. And to say only 2 players looked comfortable on the ball is also an exaggeration. Due to all the fuss recently regarding Fellaini, I made a point of watching him. Do you know what? Every single time he had the ball, the next person to touch it was an Everton player. That to me suggests he is comfortable on the ball.
Maybe the second half was hoofball or whatever, but based on what I have seen, I think you decided your opinion before the game even started.
WTF???? Say what you like about Sigma, but I will accept no slander regarding Dundee Utd.
I only watched the first half (from the 10th minute onwards), but I’m sure I saw more than 5 passes in a row a few times. And to say only 2 players looked comfortable on the ball is also an exaggeration. Due to all the fuss recently regarding Fellaini, I made a point of watching him. Do you know what? Every single time he had the ball, the next person to touch it was an Everton player. That to me suggests he is comfortable on the ball.
Maybe the second half was hoofball or whatever, but based on what I have seen, I think you decided your opinion before the game even started.
Stephen Parris
15 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:34:40
15 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:34:40
Sean, sorry but I have to say I think you got this one well wrong !! Your way off with your assessment of things in my opinion........hoofball ? not sure I witnessed that either......Thought we kept the ball down for the most part, and played DIRECT when we needed to due to being a man short...........as for Osman, he had a decent game despite being chopped down numerous times.......and Fellaini impressed me when he was forced to drop into centre mid due to the sending off, he looked much better...........It was a good away performance and a good result, especially considering the conditions we faced early on and in that heat........not a great performance at all, but a job well done........a job we did a whole lot better than Villa it seems !! Keep your chin up, it’ll all come together !! Soon enough Arteta will be back and in those famous words.....he will be like a new signing !!!
Steven Astley
16 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:50:01
16 Posted 28/08/2009 at 16:50:01
Sean,
While Fabian Delph might be a good prospect, he’s nowhere near worth the value Villa have paid for his services currently.
They could have done with perhaps signing him and loaning him back to Leeds to aid his development more steadily.
What makes me laugh is, your totally flippant knee-jerk reaction from performance in a game in fairly difficult surroundings with 10 men after 4 minutes.
As well as this, you perhaps didn’t notice, but Delph was at fault for Villa’s goal that they conceded last night, that consequently put them out of the Europa League.
Pull yourself together and reserve your judgement on the team’s performance until we are mid-way through the season.
While Fabian Delph might be a good prospect, he’s nowhere near worth the value Villa have paid for his services currently.
They could have done with perhaps signing him and loaning him back to Leeds to aid his development more steadily.
What makes me laugh is, your totally flippant knee-jerk reaction from performance in a game in fairly difficult surroundings with 10 men after 4 minutes.
As well as this, you perhaps didn’t notice, but Delph was at fault for Villa’s goal that they conceded last night, that consequently put them out of the Europa League.
Pull yourself together and reserve your judgement on the team’s performance until we are mid-way through the season.
Allan Jones
17 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:03:29
17 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:03:29
I think the same as a few other posters here! Sean, you made your mind up before the game and I’m getting tired of some of our fans and their fickle ways! Yes, I don’t always agree with Moyes but we’re playing without 3 of our key players at the moment (I include Yakubu in that as he’s nowhere near match fit) and with a threadbare squad he’s doing his best...OK, Delph looks pretty good and it’s a shame we missed out there but if a player chooses to move to another club what can you do? Fellaini looks awkward on the ball but he’s effective, he’s not the most fluid or elegant player I’ve ever seen but techinically he’s very good. At the moment the side needs everyone’s support, not someone throwing their rattle out of the pram after 2 league games. YES, it’s 2/3 games gone in the Premier league! Does anyone really think Spurs will win the league? NO...Does anyone really think Burnley will carry on winning all season? NO...Come on, let’s get it together on Sunday, start our season and stuff Wigan :)
Dave Roberts
18 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:03:35
18 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:03:35
Personally I wasn’t impressed at all with Villa last night. They did ’pass and move’ but it was tortuously slow in the build up and Rapid were never under that much pressure except from corneres. In fact, with better finishing Rapid could have had the game wrapped up well before the 94 minutes were up.
Rapid deserved to go through.
We do need to keep possession better than we do but last night’s game could never be the game for that, especially after going down to 10 men so early. Nevertheless, the three best players on the pitch all wore black and pink (yuk!) Pienaar, Rodwell and (wait for it...I’ll get my tin hat on)...Neville. Gosling did a sterling job at stand in right-back and Fellaini does look ponderous at times but he has a lovely touch on the ball and doesn’t misplace many passes. Jo worked his socks off as well up there on his own for the whole game. We know where the weaknesses are and Moyes has a few days left to find at least better right-back and somebody who can relegate Osman to the bench. He could be useful there as a squad player as he was when he first came back from his loan spell. He often came on then as substitute and won games for us.
My worry is Rodwell. We know now more than ever that contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. We have to keep this lad or else we may as well give up the ghost. I hope Platini gets his new rules through pretty damned quick as that might help a bit, or we find an investor that can rebuild the club in the interim. Rodwell is potentially world class...better prospect than Rooney in my opinion although in a different role on the pitch.
Rapid deserved to go through.
We do need to keep possession better than we do but last night’s game could never be the game for that, especially after going down to 10 men so early. Nevertheless, the three best players on the pitch all wore black and pink (yuk!) Pienaar, Rodwell and (wait for it...I’ll get my tin hat on)...Neville. Gosling did a sterling job at stand in right-back and Fellaini does look ponderous at times but he has a lovely touch on the ball and doesn’t misplace many passes. Jo worked his socks off as well up there on his own for the whole game. We know where the weaknesses are and Moyes has a few days left to find at least better right-back and somebody who can relegate Osman to the bench. He could be useful there as a squad player as he was when he first came back from his loan spell. He often came on then as substitute and won games for us.
My worry is Rodwell. We know now more than ever that contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. We have to keep this lad or else we may as well give up the ghost. I hope Platini gets his new rules through pretty damned quick as that might help a bit, or we find an investor that can rebuild the club in the interim. Rodwell is potentially world class...better prospect than Rooney in my opinion although in a different role on the pitch.
Rob Heib
19 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:44:23
19 Posted 28/08/2009 at 17:44:23
[[ I hope Platini gets his new rules through pretty damned quick as that might help a bit, or we find an investor that can rebuild the club in the interim.]]
Dave,
How do you feel the new rules would help us? Granted they might slow down City, however if our budget were based on revenue then it means status quo as ManU, Arse, Chelsea, RS, Spurs and probably a couple others have larger revenue than we do. So we’d still be outspent.
Even IF we found a great new rich owner, if he was limited to our revenue and would require balanced books then even if he were the richest person in the world he couldn’t spend more than Kenwright/wrong (because I believe we were just about even on the spreadsheet last season).
So it might help stop City but it wouldn’t stop Man U and others from taking our best players and it wouldn’t allow a new owner to spend any more than BK.
Not sure I share your optimism in that plan but perhaps I’m looking at it in the wrong way. Aside from being a FU to City it doesn’t seem to do much for the non-top teams and would cement the likes of ManU, Real and others with large revenues and prevent anyone from ever overtaking them. Obviously I share no love for City but this rule just seems to help maintain the status quo and top fours.
Dave,
How do you feel the new rules would help us? Granted they might slow down City, however if our budget were based on revenue then it means status quo as ManU, Arse, Chelsea, RS, Spurs and probably a couple others have larger revenue than we do. So we’d still be outspent.
Even IF we found a great new rich owner, if he was limited to our revenue and would require balanced books then even if he were the richest person in the world he couldn’t spend more than Kenwright/wrong (because I believe we were just about even on the spreadsheet last season).
So it might help stop City but it wouldn’t stop Man U and others from taking our best players and it wouldn’t allow a new owner to spend any more than BK.
Not sure I share your optimism in that plan but perhaps I’m looking at it in the wrong way. Aside from being a FU to City it doesn’t seem to do much for the non-top teams and would cement the likes of ManU, Real and others with large revenues and prevent anyone from ever overtaking them. Obviously I share no love for City but this rule just seems to help maintain the status quo and top fours.
Howard Don
20 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:10:49
20 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:10:49
Sorry Sean, we were obviously watching different games. I thought the guys got it spot on after going down to ten men in a European away game. We contained the (admittedly not PL standard) opposition and they were reduced to mostly long range efforts which never troubled Tim.
The guys worked their socks off in that heat (30deg+) give a bit of credit for goodness sake.
The guys worked their socks off in that heat (30deg+) give a bit of credit for goodness sake.
Steve Guy
21 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:13:59
21 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:13:59
Sean
To write that last night’s performance was a DISGRACE (your capitalisation not mine) beggars belief.
A team low on confidence and with a patched up defence weathered an initial flurry of attacks to go 1-0 (5-0) up in baking heat and survived for 80+ minutes with 10 men.
I believe more than a little bit of balance is needed in the comments you make and I detect it’s probably needed elsewhere in posts to this site too.
To write that last night’s performance was a DISGRACE (your capitalisation not mine) beggars belief.
A team low on confidence and with a patched up defence weathered an initial flurry of attacks to go 1-0 (5-0) up in baking heat and survived for 80+ minutes with 10 men.
I believe more than a little bit of balance is needed in the comments you make and I detect it’s probably needed elsewhere in posts to this site too.
Martin Mason
22 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:02:33
22 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:02:33
I’m an exileand don’t get to see live games often and didn’t see this game but I will agree that Everton are inherently negative under Moyes.They play above their limited resources but they are rarely pleasing on the eye. When you’ve watched Everton through the early Catterick years and the mid 80’s (and suffered miserably in between) it is very sad to see negativity. Times are different now and staying in the Premiership is everything so I guess it’s like it or lump it but personally I’d prefer to watch them a league down and playing good football with mainly local or at least British players. So sad about Rodwell because that great judge of talent Alex Ferguson is patiently waiting for him. He is developing into a great footballer and without better finances it’sinevitable that he’ll go. Everton should be very proud of their youth development though. Just a couple of games where they move the ball well would be great though. Arteta could change that (a true Everton style player) but it will take time for him to get back properly. Sometimes players are never the same after such bad injuries. I worry about him and Phil Jagielka (another truly class act). what would last year’s PJ be worth if Lescott is 22 mil worth?
Graeme Bradman
23 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:01:09
23 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:01:09
Strange post. I guess you start out by watching a game with the sole intention of looking for evidence to have a go at Osman and Fellaini ( Hibbert was not on the pitch long enough to produce any negative comments) you then conveniently put aside 10 men for 83 minutes, Osmans superb work to create the goal, and invent Fellaini’s weakneses ignoring the numerous occasions when he was given the ball in tight situations created space for himself and passed to one of his team. Watch the game not what you imagine you see.
Ellen West
24 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:05:00
24 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:05:00
Hmmm.. slagging off Everton. Congratulating Villa. I wonder which club you support. Anyhoo, welcome to the Toffeeweb forum, but I don’t think its good humored to pretend to be an Everton, fan just to write a post. Could you just make sure the door is firmly closed on your way out.
Cheers
Cheers
Dave Roberts
25 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:38:32
25 Posted 28/08/2009 at 18:38:32
Rob Heib
I wasn’t suggesting that Platini’s new world of football finance would solve all our problems or produce a level playing field. But what it would do would prevent rich investors digging into their own pockets (and getting much of it back in tax breaks) in order to offer wages to players that otherwise the clubs could not afford to pay. Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City do not have significantly larger attendances than Everton do so they could not afford to pay such high wages from that source. That leaves merchandising but more importantly the Champions League as the main sources of wealth (apart from someones deep pockets) and it is also my understanding that Platini wants to have a go at correcting that imbalance too.
Manchester United can meet all their bills, including wages, from attendances and so can Arsenal (probably) but I do not know that for certain. So it is difficult to argue with that(but see below)
The benefit of Platini’s new rules for clubs like Everton will, in the first instance, be to prevent the richest clubs, especially those only rich because a billionaire took a fancy to them, from getting so far ahead financially that it becomes hardly worth the effort to compete, hardly worth the effort to nurture and bring on kids and never having a hope in hell of winning significant silverware.
My point about Everton finding an investor was about trying to make the club more attractive IN THE INTERIM (as I said in my post) ie, before the new rules come in so that we would be in a better position to keep players we want to keep and attract players we want. It is not only a lack of transfer funds Everton suffer from, it is the lack of ability to pay the sort of wages to players that Spurs or Newcastle can, never mind the likes of City. Platini’s rules will not be the complete answer but they will be a start and we have to start somewhere or the game outside of the Champions League/Billionaire subsidized clubs will die of malnutrition. It is already distinctly unwell!
It will be interesting too to see the details of his ideas concerning Clubs not being allowed to play in European competitions if their debt levels are beyond a certain point. That could reduce Manchester United’s position somewhat as it could Chelsea’s and Liverpool’s. Platini’s is a three-pronged assault on what he sees as killing the game....and he is right. More power to his elbow.
I wasn’t suggesting that Platini’s new world of football finance would solve all our problems or produce a level playing field. But what it would do would prevent rich investors digging into their own pockets (and getting much of it back in tax breaks) in order to offer wages to players that otherwise the clubs could not afford to pay. Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City do not have significantly larger attendances than Everton do so they could not afford to pay such high wages from that source. That leaves merchandising but more importantly the Champions League as the main sources of wealth (apart from someones deep pockets) and it is also my understanding that Platini wants to have a go at correcting that imbalance too.
Manchester United can meet all their bills, including wages, from attendances and so can Arsenal (probably) but I do not know that for certain. So it is difficult to argue with that(but see below)
The benefit of Platini’s new rules for clubs like Everton will, in the first instance, be to prevent the richest clubs, especially those only rich because a billionaire took a fancy to them, from getting so far ahead financially that it becomes hardly worth the effort to compete, hardly worth the effort to nurture and bring on kids and never having a hope in hell of winning significant silverware.
My point about Everton finding an investor was about trying to make the club more attractive IN THE INTERIM (as I said in my post) ie, before the new rules come in so that we would be in a better position to keep players we want to keep and attract players we want. It is not only a lack of transfer funds Everton suffer from, it is the lack of ability to pay the sort of wages to players that Spurs or Newcastle can, never mind the likes of City. Platini’s rules will not be the complete answer but they will be a start and we have to start somewhere or the game outside of the Champions League/Billionaire subsidized clubs will die of malnutrition. It is already distinctly unwell!
It will be interesting too to see the details of his ideas concerning Clubs not being allowed to play in European competitions if their debt levels are beyond a certain point. That could reduce Manchester United’s position somewhat as it could Chelsea’s and Liverpool’s. Platini’s is a three-pronged assault on what he sees as killing the game....and he is right. More power to his elbow.
Matthew Salem
26 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:56:23
26 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:56:23
I was bored with the game, too, but this post is silly. I could totally understand that Everton did just what was needed to get the job done. Why risk injuries? All we needed to do was get through. I can also except a shitty 1:0 vs Wigan, because after that we have a fortnight to rebuild with a new group of players and finally get this season started.
COYB!
COYB!
Dave Williams
27 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:49:55
27 Posted 28/08/2009 at 19:49:55
93 Hours and counting to the end of the transfer window..... Bearing in mind not much happens on a Friday night, Saturday, sunday and Monday is a bank holliday.......... Effectively that gives us 9 hours of business time up to 5 O’Clock tuesday, for any other signings.... In reality we tend to take a good few days to complete a signing, so in theory they must be deals nearing completion. So is they anyone out there with any info who will be gracing our team, so I can relax over te next 93 hours, and not become the sleepless, nervous wreck that I normally become on previous transfer windows.
Philip Jones
28 Posted 28/08/2009 at 20:17:17
28 Posted 28/08/2009 at 20:17:17
"Without Arteta, we have no guile whatsoever. If we have any money left, it’s time we got someone in who can control the midfield... Segesson, Moutinho, Defour? Sigma was a poor man’s Dundee Utd and yet they look more comfortable on the ball."
Apparently Moutinho has been seen in an estate agents in Manchester according to someone on sky sports, check the transfer centre then click on your stories. Very doubtful, as the fella’s a City fan and probably winding Evertonians up.
Apparently Moutinho has been seen in an estate agents in Manchester according to someone on sky sports, check the transfer centre then click on your stories. Very doubtful, as the fella’s a City fan and probably winding Evertonians up.
Tony Dooves
29 Posted 28/08/2009 at 20:17:27
29 Posted 28/08/2009 at 20:17:27
Sorry but i think your posting is a "DISGRACE".
The game I saw last night wasn’t beautiful but there was some very solid performances including Osman.
Funny how several basic errors by the normally rock solid Baines goes un-mentioned — as he is not the focus of all the negative "let's bash Everton at every turn cos we’re not a Sky 4 team" supporters.
For me this summer Moyes has stood up to the nonsense of Shittee and asked basic questions of how football is conducting itself at the moment. He may have dilly-dallied but now I believe he is coming in with what look like sensible, good signings and OK we are behind after two poor performances but there are many games ahead of us.
Keep the faith and enjoy supporting the best team in the world and be proud that we do things differently and challenge the sky 4 despite the set backs. COYB, FTRS
The game I saw last night wasn’t beautiful but there was some very solid performances including Osman.
Funny how several basic errors by the normally rock solid Baines goes un-mentioned — as he is not the focus of all the negative "let's bash Everton at every turn cos we’re not a Sky 4 team" supporters.
For me this summer Moyes has stood up to the nonsense of Shittee and asked basic questions of how football is conducting itself at the moment. He may have dilly-dallied but now I believe he is coming in with what look like sensible, good signings and OK we are behind after two poor performances but there are many games ahead of us.
Keep the faith and enjoy supporting the best team in the world and be proud that we do things differently and challenge the sky 4 despite the set backs. COYB, FTRS
Rob Heib
30 Posted 28/08/2009 at 21:06:31
30 Posted 28/08/2009 at 21:06:31
Dave,
Interesting discussion -- albeit in an unrelated thread but our stuff is more interesting than accusing people of being Villa fans :) -- on the spending/revenue restrictions.
Looking at the revenue figures from Forbes, while some teams may have relatively equal attendance to ours, their ticket prices and merchandising make up quite a lot:
Manchester United $512M
Arsenal $349M
Liverpool $332M
Chelsea $424M
Tottenham Hotspur $228M
Manchester City $164M
Newcastle United $198M
Everton $151M
Aston Villa $150M
Figures are in US Dollars.
So the "poorest" of the Sky Four has (at least) double the revenue of the two most recent challengers (us and Villa). Spurs are some distance ahead of us but still far enough from the 4 that I’m not convinced this would make much difference to them either. City would be absolutely screwed of course.
If the plan included revenue sharing (like in the NFL) then it becomes more helpful (although I doubt Chelsea would support that).
The story of how and why the NFL developed their system is fascinating but not the right place or time for that -- suffice to say that (EU laws which would likely prevent it aside) it is the best existing model to follow and one which (despite a couple of flaws) has helped grow US football to far surpass all other US sports in popularity and (most importantly for owners) revenue. Granted, football here doesn’t have much competition so it’s a tough sell though for those who are already rich (and have far more than the one vote they should have).
Interesting discussion -- albeit in an unrelated thread but our stuff is more interesting than accusing people of being Villa fans :) -- on the spending/revenue restrictions.
Looking at the revenue figures from Forbes, while some teams may have relatively equal attendance to ours, their ticket prices and merchandising make up quite a lot:
Manchester United $512M
Arsenal $349M
Liverpool $332M
Chelsea $424M
Tottenham Hotspur $228M
Manchester City $164M
Newcastle United $198M
Everton $151M
Aston Villa $150M
Figures are in US Dollars.
So the "poorest" of the Sky Four has (at least) double the revenue of the two most recent challengers (us and Villa). Spurs are some distance ahead of us but still far enough from the 4 that I’m not convinced this would make much difference to them either. City would be absolutely screwed of course.
If the plan included revenue sharing (like in the NFL) then it becomes more helpful (although I doubt Chelsea would support that).
The story of how and why the NFL developed their system is fascinating but not the right place or time for that -- suffice to say that (EU laws which would likely prevent it aside) it is the best existing model to follow and one which (despite a couple of flaws) has helped grow US football to far surpass all other US sports in popularity and (most importantly for owners) revenue. Granted, football here doesn’t have much competition so it’s a tough sell though for those who are already rich (and have far more than the one vote they should have).
Andy Hegan
31 Posted 28/08/2009 at 23:25:09
31 Posted 28/08/2009 at 23:25:09
Welcome to European football. You’d better get used to games like this as not every foreign team comes flying out of the traps leaving the back door wide open. Personally I prefer to think it means we’ve arrived.
By the way, please direct your thoughts on Fabian Delph to Bill Kenwright. He can add them to his list of missed opportunities.
By the way, please direct your thoughts on Fabian Delph to Bill Kenwright. He can add them to his list of missed opportunities.
Steve Edwards
32 Posted 29/08/2009 at 00:42:39
32 Posted 29/08/2009 at 00:42:39
Sean - go and have a lie down, you’ll feel better.
Chris Lawlor
33 Posted 29/08/2009 at 09:22:09
33 Posted 29/08/2009 at 09:22:09
Sean - it must be an Irish thing mate because I agree with you. I found the game to be one of the most boring I have watched in a long time and god knows I watch a ridiculous amount of football.
Is it too much to ask that professional footballers paid astonomical wages could play the ball on the deck and string together a few passes. In the opening 20 minutes Sigma played more football than we did in the entire 90 mins. I appreciate that the tie was already won and no one wanted to break a sweat but that display was way below the standards expected of a team who finished 5th in possibly the strongest league in Europe.
I expect things to improve dramatically with the players to come back and the new signings, but viewing that game alone then I imagine a lot of the Czechs at the game on Thursday wouldnt have been to impressed with our ’big time stars’.
On another note, to accuse the lad of being a Villa fan just because he shares an opinion is a bit childish to say the least...I’m looking at you Ellen West.
Is it too much to ask that professional footballers paid astonomical wages could play the ball on the deck and string together a few passes. In the opening 20 minutes Sigma played more football than we did in the entire 90 mins. I appreciate that the tie was already won and no one wanted to break a sweat but that display was way below the standards expected of a team who finished 5th in possibly the strongest league in Europe.
I expect things to improve dramatically with the players to come back and the new signings, but viewing that game alone then I imagine a lot of the Czechs at the game on Thursday wouldnt have been to impressed with our ’big time stars’.
On another note, to accuse the lad of being a Villa fan just because he shares an opinion is a bit childish to say the least...I’m looking at you Ellen West.
Garry Martin
34 Posted 29/08/2009 at 13:01:04
34 Posted 29/08/2009 at 13:01:04
EFC’s problem again this season, as last season, is we are not doing enough in our pre-season build up. When play teams like Bury, Blackpool, Malaga etc.. it's not preparing you "to hit the ground running".
Most of the Premier League teams are entering tournaments or setting up bigger more competitive games, as a result EFC are slower at getting into their pace.
We need to stop going to the USA & trying to sell the EFC product!!
Most of the Premier League teams are entering tournaments or setting up bigger more competitive games, as a result EFC are slower at getting into their pace.
We need to stop going to the USA & trying to sell the EFC product!!
Gareth Atkinson
35 Posted 29/08/2009 at 16:24:21
35 Posted 29/08/2009 at 16:24:21
I was thinking exactly the same as you Ellen West, reeks of a kopite to me, and they say were obsessed with them.
Lionel Luthor
36 Posted 29/08/2009 at 16:23:50
36 Posted 29/08/2009 at 16:23:50
We are for the most part, shite to watch without the likes of Arteta in the team. However, if we were to land Banega, he, along with Pienaar, Arteta and Billy would surely pave the way for a more fluid style of passing?
OK, forget any fluidity..........just passing will do!
OK, forget any fluidity..........just passing will do!
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