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Sky Sports News are confirming the acceptance of a £5million bid for Dutchman Johnny Heitinga. For me, this is an exciting one given that whilst I'm not entirely a card-carrying member of the Hibbert Hater's Club, I feel, like most, that we do need an addition of quality in that area.
At 25 years old, the boy has extensive international experience for Holland, Ajax and Atletico Madrid. This could prove useful in the Europa League, to say nothing of sparing Hibbo the ordeal of going up against Sky 4 teams — Chelsea a notable example!!
My concern, however is why Los Colchoneros are willing to part with him: Is he injury-prone? Bad dressing room influence? (We've all heard about Dutch National team spirit!!) Or simply not up to much as a player? I would greatly welcome the thoughts of better-informed "ToffeeWebbers" on this kid...
Kevin Hudson, Posted 31/08/2009 at 15:22:38
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Dick Anderson
2 Posted 31/08/2009 at 20:51:54
2 Posted 31/08/2009 at 20:51:54
Why does there have to be some dark alternative reason for Johnny Heitinga being sold?
Is he injury prone? Is he a bad dressing room influence?
Why can’t he just be a good player who wants to play in the best league in the world?
Is he injury prone? Is he a bad dressing room influence?
Why can’t he just be a good player who wants to play in the best league in the world?
Stephen James
3 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:03:37
3 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:03:37
The issue is that he was sold to Atletico a year ago for 9 million pounds and a year later he is being offloaded for nearly half of that sum. Why were they so willing to let him leave after that investment.
Also, I believe I’ve heard it reported that Heitinga makes significantly more than anyone else currently on our squad.
Also, I believe I’ve heard it reported that Heitinga makes significantly more than anyone else currently on our squad.
Richie James
4 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:00:08
4 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:00:08
Can’t see this one happening unfortunately; if he signs he’ll either have to take a pay cut, or Moyes would have to break the wage structure.
Would be a great signing, and I hope a deal can be reached but I shalln’t get too excited.
Would be a great signing, and I hope a deal can be reached but I shalln’t get too excited.
Mike Oates
5 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:09:12
5 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:09:12
Both Bentley and Heitinga must be on at least £50-60k/wk (and in the case of Heitinga its tax free for 2(?) years in Spain, and therefore he would want about £90-100k in UK) and would smash our salary structure to bits.
Love to get both , but somehow I can't see it happening.
Love to get both , but somehow I can't see it happening.
Dom Eaton
6 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:06:30
6 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:06:30
Dick I agree...
Beggers and choosers springs to mind, Moyes always pulls something out of the hat at the last minute, this season I just hope and I mean HOPE it is Hibbo’s replacement.Good squad player but that is that, shocking again this weekend.
I know we have another big signing in the bag...come on boys and girls..isnt this what we are used to!!!?
Beggers and choosers springs to mind, Moyes always pulls something out of the hat at the last minute, this season I just hope and I mean HOPE it is Hibbo’s replacement.Good squad player but that is that, shocking again this weekend.
I know we have another big signing in the bag...come on boys and girls..isnt this what we are used to!!!?
Lionel Luthor
7 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:30:48
7 Posted 31/08/2009 at 21:30:48
Calm down. I’ve just nipped onto Heitinga's own Official website and sent him an email explaining how he must come to Everton.
If we land him, you know who to thank!........
If we land him, you know who to thank!........
John Taylor
8 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:21:11
8 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:21:11
I agree with Mike Oates. I am terribly worried that we will start another season with Hibbo as the first-choice right-back. To me a new right back was this season’s priority above a holding midfield player and a right sided creative midfield player. I really hope we don’t add to the Banega farce. Why didn’t we hang on to Lars?
Philip Bell
9 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:33:39
9 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:33:39
The Spanish website AS is reporting that Heitinga has decided to stay at Atletico Madrid. Money talks again! So you can all go to bed now!
Chad Schofield
10 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:53:22
10 Posted 31/08/2009 at 22:53:22
Is it me or have Marca made a sudden swap to their story which has just jumped from Rumour Mill to front page on this site?
Link
A case of lost in translation or was this written before Heitinger’s comment?
Link
A case of lost in translation or was this written before Heitinger’s comment?
Kunal Desai
11 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:02:11
11 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:02:11
Did anyone really think this deal would go through? Why agree a fee when you know full well his salary demands are presumably a lot higher than even the top earners at Goodison. Stupid move and a waste of time!
Karl Masters
12 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:14:39
12 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:14:39
Mirror Football now saying a compromise over his wages has been thrashed out and he is due to fly into Liverpool on Tuesday, do the medical and sign. Moyes apparently delighted!
They also claim we have moved fror Krancjar (hope that’s true) whilst apparently Celtic are bracing themselves for an Everton bid for Scott Brown. Moyes is also supposedly determined to get Banega and has offered Hibbo and Fellaini in a straight swap. Ok, I made that last one up! :)
They also claim we have moved fror Krancjar (hope that’s true) whilst apparently Celtic are bracing themselves for an Everton bid for Scott Brown. Moyes is also supposedly determined to get Banega and has offered Hibbo and Fellaini in a straight swap. Ok, I made that last one up! :)
Jonathan Bradley
13 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:25:37
13 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:25:37
Kunal,
Perhaps, though if he does come surely that is a huge feather in the cap for Moyes? After all, Heitinga is a regular international for one of the better European sides, was on huge money, was in the CL and had a regular starting place at Atletico. To get him for £5M during this transfer window (ie: less than Naughton, a quarter of Lescott, less than Turner et al) would be fantastic business.
That said, if the deal falls through we should definitely go for the player who Atletico were after in the first place — the mighty Rod Fanni.
Perhaps, though if he does come surely that is a huge feather in the cap for Moyes? After all, Heitinga is a regular international for one of the better European sides, was on huge money, was in the CL and had a regular starting place at Atletico. To get him for £5M during this transfer window (ie: less than Naughton, a quarter of Lescott, less than Turner et al) would be fantastic business.
That said, if the deal falls through we should definitely go for the player who Atletico were after in the first place — the mighty Rod Fanni.
Matthew Salem
14 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:53:27
14 Posted 31/08/2009 at 23:53:27
Sorry boys, ever the optimist, I am doing a Tony Marsh today. I am bitterly disappointed and see us getting fuck all by 5pm. I’d love to get Heitenga more than anything, but yesterday's hope has turned to disappointment. Bily is a great signing. Distin is a good centre-back, but as we have lost Lescott, a replacment at best.
Looking forward to the winter transfer window...
Looking forward to the winter transfer window...
Matthew Salem
15 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:02:39
15 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:02:39
And yes, Kunal is totally spot on. If we have such a rigid paystruture and we know that Heitenga’s "personal terms" are way beyond us, why do it?
Tony Maden
16 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:17:56
16 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:17:56
According to Talk-Sport who had some Super-Agent in with this evening, the international deadline has passed at mid-night. The only transfers now possible are those confined to our FA. Anyone know if they’re talking bollox or will that be the excuse tomorrow — "we misunderstood the deadline..." ? ?
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
17 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:48:46
Editorial Team
17 Posted 01/09/2009 at 00:48:46
I think these deadlines are all to do with incoming transfers. You can sell a player at any time but can only sign a player while your transfer window is open.
So, international clubs can no longer sign players but they can still sell/loan players to British clubs until 5pm today because of our extended deadline.
So, international clubs can no longer sign players but they can still sell/loan players to British clubs until 5pm today because of our extended deadline.
Terry Riley
18 Posted 31/08/2009 at 18:02:52
18 Posted 31/08/2009 at 18:02:52
Dear ToffeeWeb, just a note to let you know just how enthusiastic Jonny Heitinga is about joining Everton. This is an extract from De Telegraaf here in cloggieland... In various websites he say's that he is "lukewarm about Everton's interest"
Heitinga wil in Spanje blijven Van onze Telesportredactie
MADRID — Hoewel Atletico Madrid en Everton overeenstemming hebben bereikt over een transfer van John Heitinga loopt de Oranje-verdediger vooralsnog niet warm voor een overgang naar Engeland. „Ik wil bij Atletico Madrid blijven. Tegen Malaga stond ik in de basis, dus ik ga er vanuit dat de trainer ook wil dat ik blijf”, aldus Heitinga.
My opinion... he's no better than Hibbert.
Louis Then
19 Posted 01/09/2009 at 03:59:55
19 Posted 01/09/2009 at 03:59:55
Miguel from Valencia would be a better option than Heitinga... not long ago, he was rated as the best right... but I trust DM's judgement... I hope we really sign some players before the deadline...
Cindy Cole
20 Posted 01/09/2009 at 07:22:25
20 Posted 01/09/2009 at 07:22:25
According to Tribal, Heitinga was given a lowly match rating of zero out of ten last night for his Hibbertesque performance in Atletico’s 3-0 defeat.
Perhaps the lure of a lower wage packet has finally turned his head.
Perhaps the lure of a lower wage packet has finally turned his head.
David Chait
21 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:16:57
21 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:16:57
Got to say I’m not sure about this one anymore... on the surface a Dutch RB wow! But then objective fans are saying he is pants.. over-rated... and considering Bouma is Dutch it really doesn’t mean much...
In any event I would be happy to stick with Hibbert and Neville and lump all the cash we have into a RW and get real quality now rather than 2 half quality players....
In any event I would be happy to stick with Hibbert and Neville and lump all the cash we have into a RW and get real quality now rather than 2 half quality players....
Alan Clarke
22 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:25:40
22 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:25:40
I’m looking forward to this time tomorrow when all this transfer shite is over with. I have the same sense of dread that most others have that we will end up with either no one or someone like Scott Brown or/and Joey Barton.
We’ll then have to read Moyes’s program notes about how hard he’s tried to sign players but it’s an over-inflated market at the moment that makes it very difficult to bring players in. Moyes will also say how pleased he is with the squad and we’ve still got 3 new signings any way in Arteta, Yakubu and Jagielka.
Meanwhile we’ll all be left debating how much money Moyes will be given to spend in January especially after selling Lescott and the approximate £10 million left over from this sale. The reality will be that Kenwright will have magically made that money disappear.
Please Everton, prove me wrong.
We’ll then have to read Moyes’s program notes about how hard he’s tried to sign players but it’s an over-inflated market at the moment that makes it very difficult to bring players in. Moyes will also say how pleased he is with the squad and we’ve still got 3 new signings any way in Arteta, Yakubu and Jagielka.
Meanwhile we’ll all be left debating how much money Moyes will be given to spend in January especially after selling Lescott and the approximate £10 million left over from this sale. The reality will be that Kenwright will have magically made that money disappear.
Please Everton, prove me wrong.
Steve Edwards
23 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:30:15
23 Posted 01/09/2009 at 08:30:15
By 5pm today, if we end up only spending the money we got for the Clingon it will be an absolute disgrace. It's not looking good at the moment, the Heitinga deal in the balance and nothing else being mooted. It looks like Destination Kirkby will have a windfall.
Lionel Luthor
24 Posted 01/09/2009 at 09:55:56
24 Posted 01/09/2009 at 09:55:56
Steve: I’m getting more concerned we won’t even spend that.
Michael Tracey
25 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:02:20
25 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:02:20
I can’t see Heitinga coming! Another phantom bid by Billy Bullshitter, why would you even bid for a player when you know that you will not even close to his wage demands? Also wtf happened with the loan deal for Banega??? BK makes us look stupid once again!
Alec Laurie
26 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:18:38
26 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:18:38
£10M profit in the coffers. No new signings by 5pm. Shit, small squad for the rest of the season!
Neil Vaughan
27 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:24:46
27 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:24:46
Surprise, surprise... all our alledged transfer deals falling through one by one... Can't meet Heitingas wage demand... can't meet Bentley’s transfer fee... Benaga???... Whilst the likes of Sunderland spend millions...
Kenwright and his cronies are an embarrassing joke...!!
Kenwright and his cronies are an embarrassing joke...!!
Will Green
28 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:35:33
28 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:35:33
We may be forced to watch a team with no right-side midfield, no decent right-back, no cover for centre-back, no midfielder who can hold the ball... this is a disgrace. I was going to book a trip to Benfica but I’m not paying money to watch this shite! Everton are rotton from the top down.
Kevin Hudson
29 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:40:22
29 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:40:22
Lionel, like you I too am a sad bastard who has also left an e-mail on Johnny’s site!! Apparently, he answers them personally-although answers on a postcard, as to what the outcome of Deadline Day will b!
Such a saddo am I, that I pulled an implausible sickie to keep tabs on Sky Sports News, and here I am, a grown man, following your example, and posting an absolutely pointless message into Johhny’s inbox!!!
I’ll get me straightjacket.....
Such a saddo am I, that I pulled an implausible sickie to keep tabs on Sky Sports News, and here I am, a grown man, following your example, and posting an absolutely pointless message into Johhny’s inbox!!!
I’ll get me straightjacket.....
Andy Macrae
30 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:55:22
30 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:55:22
Rumours are starting on the BBC’s transfer live, that Heitinga is on his way for more talks & possibly a medical.
Anybody who would like to add fuel to this then please do...
Anybody who would like to add fuel to this then please do...
Karl Masters
31 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:48:57
31 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:48:57
Yes, Kevin. Very Sad! I hope your employer doesn’t read this.
It couldn’t be turning out better for Green and Earl could it? Their Spurs get all the players we should be getting, like Naughton and Krancjar, while we make a tidy surplus on transfers (we made a small one in 2008 too) for them to set aside for DK where they get rich and ride off into the sunset with us stuck in Kirkby. And BK is pretty much at their mercy....
It couldn’t be turning out better for Green and Earl could it? Their Spurs get all the players we should be getting, like Naughton and Krancjar, while we make a tidy surplus on transfers (we made a small one in 2008 too) for them to set aside for DK where they get rich and ride off into the sunset with us stuck in Kirkby. And BK is pretty much at their mercy....
Lionel Luthor
32 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:58:14
32 Posted 01/09/2009 at 10:58:14
Kevin: Thank the Lord you are nearly as desperate as I.
I say nearly, as I’ll wager you haven’t been peppering Van Der Vaart’s e-mail too?
I’ll continue my life at 5pm, honest.
I say nearly, as I’ll wager you haven’t been peppering Van Der Vaart’s e-mail too?
I’ll continue my life at 5pm, honest.
Kevin Hudson
33 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:03:29
33 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:03:29
Laughing like a drain here, Lionel !!!
Tell you what: You keep stalking Van der Vaart & Heitinga, and I’ll start hounding Riquelme until he takes out a restraining order against me!!!
Tell you what: You keep stalking Van der Vaart & Heitinga, and I’ll start hounding Riquelme until he takes out a restraining order against me!!!
Lionel Luthor
34 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:13:56
34 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:13:56
Kevin: "Hounding Riquelme until he takes out a restraining order against me!!"........Classic!!!
The scary thing is, between us, we’re probably doing more than Kenwright.
The scary thing is, between us, we’re probably doing more than Kenwright.
Alan Clarke
35 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:20:21
35 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:20:21
None of them will be checking their inboxes though as they’re all on planes jetting in to JL airport.
Mike Gray
36 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:54:56
36 Posted 01/09/2009 at 11:54:56
From about 90% of what I have read regarding Johhny boy, he is garbage and not that much better than Hibbo’. Of course this information in itself could be garbage... but...!!!
Also, we need some decent creativity in midfield as well as a decent R/B and cover for Bainesy, as I for one am pissed off with the hoofball and completely by passing our midfield. Rodwell is coming along a treat but we can’t just solely rely on him until Arteta comes back. Don’t know when Micky boy is due back, but we can’t just sit back and do fuck all, especially with all Billy Bullshitters money burning a hole in Moyes pocket from the sale of Lescott.
I know, I know.....!!!! It's finding the quality that’s the problem, but they’ve have all fucking summer to sort that out, and here we are pissing about again. Not good enough in my book.
Come on EFC, get a grip and show some ambition!!
Also, we need some decent creativity in midfield as well as a decent R/B and cover for Bainesy, as I for one am pissed off with the hoofball and completely by passing our midfield. Rodwell is coming along a treat but we can’t just solely rely on him until Arteta comes back. Don’t know when Micky boy is due back, but we can’t just sit back and do fuck all, especially with all Billy Bullshitters money burning a hole in Moyes pocket from the sale of Lescott.
I know, I know.....!!!! It's finding the quality that’s the problem, but they’ve have all fucking summer to sort that out, and here we are pissing about again. Not good enough in my book.
Come on EFC, get a grip and show some ambition!!
David Chait
37 Posted 01/09/2009 at 12:42:11
37 Posted 01/09/2009 at 12:42:11
Ok I’m going to say what you were all thinking... I was really hoping that we would use the Lescott cash to somehow afford a Moutinho bid.... considering Defour was never going to happen once they qualified for the CL..... Maybe this Ruski will be awesome and then these names won’t matter anymore.
Jonathan Bradley
38 Posted 01/09/2009 at 12:51:32
38 Posted 01/09/2009 at 12:51:32
SSN have just stated that Heitinga is at Finch Farm now.
Sean McNally
39 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:30:23
39 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:30:23
The lads at bluekipper r sayin personal terms av been agreed.....he’s avin his medical now
Alan Clarke
40 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:39:25
40 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:39:25
I don’t go on there Sean, have they ’heard’ anything else? The latest is that City are ’cool’ on signing Bentley. Could that move be back on?
Malcolm Evans
41 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:43:40
41 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:43:40
Has anyone actually done any work today?? Im just sat at my desk looking at all the websites i can think of looking for news.
Think i love and hate deadline day in equal measure!!
Think i love and hate deadline day in equal measure!!
Sean McNally
42 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:44:31
42 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:44:31
They haven’t mentioned anything else so far but will keep searchin.....
oh the excitement.......
oh the excitement.......
James Marshall
43 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:48:01
43 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:48:01
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_5530052,00.html
Eugene Ruane
44 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:56:51
44 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:56:51
Have to smile.
It is a very ’Everton thing’ to be RUSHING to buy a player who, in his last game was awarded 0/10.
0!!!!
( http://www.tribalfootball.com/everton-target-heitinga-produces-010-performance-atletico-maddrid-defeat-290191 )
It is a very ’Everton thing’ to be RUSHING to buy a player who, in his last game was awarded 0/10.
0!!!!
( http://www.tribalfootball.com/everton-target-heitinga-produces-010-performance-atletico-maddrid-defeat-290191 )
Sean McNally
45 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:58:21
45 Posted 01/09/2009 at 13:58:21
Bentley is BACK ON
he aint joinin man shitty
he aint joinin man shitty
James Marshall
46 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:08:07
46 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:08:07
Eugene - Tribal football is about as reliable as a government official.
Sean McNally
47 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:08:35
47 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:08:35
http://www.tribalfootball.com/real-madrids-van-der-vaart-wanted-everton-move-291691
James Marshall
48 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:11:17
48 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:11:17
I’d hate us to sign Bentley, he’s a right ’orrible little bastard and overated at best.
Neil Vaughan
49 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:46:25
49 Posted 01/09/2009 at 14:46:25
Bentley is BETTER than Osman...!!
Mike Green
50 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:11:27
50 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:11:27
James — I’m with you. I’ve spent the last few years giving Bentley that much abuse my RS brother will piss himself if we sign him.
Not sure I can whore myself out so cheaply.
Not sure I can whore myself out so cheaply.
Mike Green
51 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:13:51
51 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:13:51
SSN says Banega deal off — unless we stump up the cash to buy him outright....
James Marshall
52 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:16:59
52 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:16:59
Yeah I was about to post the same thing, Mike.
I doubt Bentley will sign either.
I doubt Bentley will sign either.
Mike Green
53 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:37:14
53 Posted 01/09/2009 at 15:37:14
James — Steve Jones makes a good point on another strand (I’ve copied and pasted below — hope you dont mind Steve)
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Valencia have teed things up very nicely, agree a loan, get agreement from Banega, get his work permit approved, then renage on the deal.
At the last minute on deadline day, reiterate publicly that he won't be going out on "loan" — but let it slip that he is available to buy if you have the dosh! Puts pressure on Everton to pay over the odds to satisy the fans for a player who is a gamble.
I personally feel we should do it! They have done me up like a kipper as well.
We could learn a thing or two about deals from Valencia — remember Fernandes’ last minute turn around — watch this space on this one!
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Sounds about right doesn’t it. I’ve been saying all along that leaving things to the last minute makes it a sellers market and think this could be born out.
Could we be seeing "Everton break club transfer record for Banega...." in the next 90 mins?
Personally I hope not — from what I can see he’s mustard but not right enough for what we really need.
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Valencia have teed things up very nicely, agree a loan, get agreement from Banega, get his work permit approved, then renage on the deal.
At the last minute on deadline day, reiterate publicly that he won't be going out on "loan" — but let it slip that he is available to buy if you have the dosh! Puts pressure on Everton to pay over the odds to satisy the fans for a player who is a gamble.
I personally feel we should do it! They have done me up like a kipper as well.
We could learn a thing or two about deals from Valencia — remember Fernandes’ last minute turn around — watch this space on this one!
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Sounds about right doesn’t it. I’ve been saying all along that leaving things to the last minute makes it a sellers market and think this could be born out.
Could we be seeing "Everton break club transfer record for Banega...." in the next 90 mins?
Personally I hope not — from what I can see he’s mustard but not right enough for what we really need.
Sean McNally
54 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:14:55
54 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:14:55
He’s signed!!!
Dave Roberts
55 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:30:42
55 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:30:42
Who’s signed FFS!? Heitinga, Bentley or Banega!?
James Marshall
56 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:39:23
56 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:39:23
Not sure, but the OS is really struggling!
James Marshall
57 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:39:57
57 Posted 01/09/2009 at 16:39:57
It's Heitinga, the OS says he’s signed.
Thank god for that.
Thank god for that.
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1 Posted 31/08/2009 at 20:48:14
Heitinga is primarily a centre-half but is very comfortable at right-back he is a decent defender but not the standard of Jagielka,Distin and Yobo but his ability to play in every defensive role (including CDM) comfortably may be why Moyes is chasing him.