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Kirkby rises from the ashes
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Sorry to bring bad news but Kirby is back on the agenda. Gordon Brown, no less has backed a revised plan to include a stadium. Check out the Daily Post.
Chris Halliday, Posted 07/12/2009 at 11:16:45
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2 Posted 07/12/2009 at 09:05:21
3 Posted 07/12/2009 at 10:54:12
4 Posted 07/12/2009 at 12:54:40
If he can ride roughshod over a legitimate decision given by a properly constituted inquiry then what was the point of it all. Why waste all that time and money. Can't believe this idiot.
5 Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:32:47
However it would be rather funny (albeit a complete disaster) if Kenwright started doing a ’grand old duke of York’ routine...
6 Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:39:55
Our local media are a fucking big joke.
Anyone got Gordon Browns E.mail address?
7 Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:47:54
Could you please explain the research you have carried out that allows you to state that ’the fanbase is totally split’ on the Kirkby issue....and, furthermore, what your definition of ’ totally split’ is?
Whatever the truth of this news ( and it appears to be true) the overwhelming view I have received from the ordinary Evertonians I know, speak to at half time and sit by in Upper Bullens and drink with before the game is one of overall disappointment and not a little anger at the original decision to decline the development at Kirkby.
Don’t confuse Toffeeweb (for all it’s virtues) with the ’fanbase’ nor even the real world. Toffeeweb has a particular clientelle which has a worthwhile view on Everton matters but is not particularly representative of the views of the Evertonian at large (many of whom who have never heard of Toffeeweb or even have access to a computer)
I eagerly await a report concerning your research methodology. Thanks.
8 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:04:55
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Don’t be an arse.
Don’t confuse you and your mates as teh real world either..
It’s as plain as the nose on pinnochio’s face that the fans are split on this decision!
9 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:06:56
10 Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:57:25
11 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:09:50
Tesco are always going to come back with another application; one that is less than 50,000 m² but nowhere near the 15,000 m² that is allowed under the current Knowsley UDP. When they resubmit it will appear that Howarth, Round and Ramsay have been busily employed representing the best interests of the people of Kirkby; pity they didn’t do that in the first place and the thing would have been nearly built by now.
Dirty business this politics game; don’t believe everything you read in the press or on the radio; Everton’s involvement in a future application? None whatsoever; I’ve heard it straight from the horses mouth, time to move on.
12 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:22:58
Accordingly, it could now well be the case that the Kirkby project has the weight of positive Government support as well as support from the Region as a whole. Does anybody suggest that BK would not be affected by a personal call from Gordon Brown that could re-engage him with the KIrkby project? I doubt it!
13 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:27:24
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How did you come to that conclusion? Ask you mates did ye?
What is the name for someone who denies the patently fucking obvious?
14 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:33:09
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Jesus. You ask for evidence that the fans are split over Kirkby...then you come out with this dung - that Kirkbuy has the support of everyone in teh region’
Un-fucking-believable.
15 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:32:00
If this is a little confusing, I’m like most people, we want investment into the club and it seems having a new stadium is the way we’ll get it and we’re past caring where that stadium will be.
16 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:37:25
17 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:39:06
18 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:07:44
19 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:57:04
20 Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:56:13
Lol The funniest post of the year
21 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:12:50
forget Toffeeweb for a minute - though I see you subscribe even though we’re not in the real world - I too am an Evertonian and speak to ordinary Evertonians and the overwhelming view I get is one of relief that DK was thrown out for all the right reasons.Therefore to me that shows that all the people I speak too have opposite views to all the people you speak too. Result - a totally split fanbase.
22 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:23:58
Ciairan - i think Dave was aon about political groups not individuals when he was on about support from the region, as without a new Anfield, there will be limited options regarding world cup venues in the area, meaning no games and no extra revenue to the area.
23 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:29:15
Not necessarily. I might speak to more people than you do...or vice-versa. It is the definition of ’totally split’ I am interested in. It only takes one dissenting voice to represent a split, that I have no argument with...but what does ’totally split’ mean? Haven’t had an answer yet!
24 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:35:46
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Oh FFS....how about this then..Over 40% of those who voted, voted against it..
Does that satisfy your definition ??
25 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:35:59
the fanbase was "totally split" back in 2007 with 41 % voting no, never mind in 2009 after what came out in the public inquiry.
26 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:45:31
Just that this will be another micro managed U-turn by Gordon Brown because he’s suddenly got worried that his minister’s vastly expensive, over year-long public enquiry may have come up with a verdict that could lose him votes. Cue hasty U-turn with no consideration of the evidence, and another Brown "back of a fag packet" compromise idea that will inevitably end in an almighty cock up.
Please, whoever it may concern, don’t touch this with a barge pole.
27 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:48:00
They did it for Manchester!
The only people who are happy about this Lazarus like resurrection are the gobshites who voted for Kikby and who have then spent 2 years on this site either saying they were conned or they’re very sorry...
Amazing, just fucking amazing - only at Everton eh?
28 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:53:29
I would also suggest that since the enquiry it is more likely that more yes supporters have changed their opinion rather than vice versa.
Dave I can’t do any better than that and if that doesn’t satisfy you then I don’t know what will.
29 Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:49:34
What Goverment official at a time of recession knocks back, 6,000 short-term jobs, with 700 permenent jobs at the end of it, 600 appentices taken on from the 3 Kirkby schools, God knows how much sub-contracted work to the small engineering / joinery companies within the Kirkby / Knowsley area. £0.5 Billion investment without costing the Goverment a penny.
Kirkby actually dragged into the 21st Century and the Blues a half decent stadium at a resonable price. All this bullshit about mid-range stadiums etc get's on my fucking nerves. Most people go the match and spend less than 2 hours in the ground so what do you want — fluffy fucking cushions on each seat?
There will be enough corporate for those who can afford it and the rest of us will be able to get a drink have a pie take a piss without having to queue for 20 minutes in some rat invested shithole which is the 3/4 of the ground, Park End excluded.
Now its time for those in favour to stand up and be counted, otherwise the vocal minority will get its way again... Ah well, off home now so good night.
30 Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:17:42
31 Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:40:21
32 Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:41:59
Think carefully guys how a town designed and built to manage 42,000 - that's not 42,000 moving about to one location at the same time but ebb and flow traffic be it road or rail or (for those fantasists about you) bicycle.
FFS it’s fucking dead, common sense nailed it as a fucking Tesco pipe dream. If that blue-rinsed charlatan was a man he’d sell the club tomorrow for £30m, a clear £10m profit — £1m per year he has owned it and put fuck all of his own money into it beyond the cost of the shares — and give someone with money and a clue how to run it properly and not out of town.
33 Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:47:46
34 Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:00:27
35 Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:31:18
36 Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:33:00
The decision on Kirkby has taken over a year, and a lot of evidence for and against the project has been taken into account. Quite how Brown thinks he can just overturn the decision of the experts is beyond me. Brown can say what he wants now anyway because he’s a dead man walking.
37 Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:25:01
And you say this isn’t a negative, unbiased website!
38 Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:24:46
39 Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:42:37
In fact I would say this site has a bigger share of pro-Kirkby heads than the actual match going blues, as it seemed IMHO a large amount of internet watching blues where in favour of Kirkby.
And did you not hear in the derby how loud the song ’The city is all ours’ was sung? and many where singing that with a little bit of ’up yours’ to those red dickheads.
40 Posted 07/12/2009 at 20:41:12
Richard, most of us on here think you are the Everton (well Kenwright) PR department, so congrratulations on finally finding some self-awareness!
41 Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:17:56
42 Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:40:04
I moved away from Liverpool to get a job after uni as none were available. I work for a living, i.e. i’m a working person. These jobs in Kirkby, what exactly are they?
Another thousand and odd low-paid jobs. Talk about keeping people in poverty. If this is the case and Brown has got involved, just more desperate measures from a desperate prime minister.
43 Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:34:04
44 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:06:30
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45 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:17:23
"Frank Fredi" — sorry but either you are of mixed parentage or you’re just making that up. Let’s be having something more sensible as a name please.
"toshi mc" — same applies to you.
46 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:19:25
47 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:20:10
Quicker we get them out of power the better
48 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:11:35
49 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:28:34
50 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:37:22
51 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:32:12
Dennis Stevens - calling Brown a Socialist is like calling Duncan Ferguson a kopite - he just isn’t - not by any definition of the word... calling him that makes you sound... well, quite silly.
Alan Kirwin - The City of Manchester Stadium was built using at least 100 million of public money... (70 million(ish) from central govt and 30 or so million of Manchester Council tax payers)
When Man City took it on they spent 30 million converting it into a three tier stadium.
Why did they get this? A failed bid to hold the Olympics...
Well, Brown has said he wants World Cup Football in Liverpool... why doesn’t he put some money up front then if he is so keen?
52 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:48:03
53 Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:56:30
FFS - realistic please.
54 Posted 07/12/2009 at 23:43:05
The Liverpool Echo and Daily Post have spun this into Gordon Brown reviving the Kirkby stadium. This is not true. He has asked people to look into an alternative way of regeneration for Kirkby.
Phil Woolas has confirmed that the stadium is NOT on the agenda.
The word "Everton" just makes a better story.
It’s worth noting that club officials didn’t see the need to attend a meeting with Knowsley Council and the Minister of the North West this evening...
55 Posted 08/12/2009 at 01:08:11
56 Posted 08/12/2009 at 00:59:59
He may not qualify according to your definition of the term, but that’s the reality - you pretending otherwise is ... " well, quite silly".
57 Posted 08/12/2009 at 02:24:11
"What Goverment official at a time of recession knocks back, 6,000 short-term jobs, with 700 permenent jobs at the end of it, 600 appentices taken on from the 3 Kirkby schools, God knows how much sub-contracted work to the small engineering / joinery companies within the Kirkby / Knowsley area. £0.5 Billion investment without costing the Goverment a penny."
Er, right. Cos Tesco and Barr are upstanding companies with such a strong sense of Corporate Social Responsibility that the construction jobs will all go to locals. Hmmm. Shareholders, profit maximising, cost minimising, cheap foreign labour....?
The wonderful Liverpool One development. What proportion of the construction jobs went to locals? Not a lot. Fact is, Brits are too expensive and don’t want to undertake "hard labour" like construction, farming etc. which is why the Poles, and other Eastern European countries were happy to supply most of the labour.
58 Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:44:16
59 Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:54:34
Those people and that area need Everton more than Kirkby does.
60 Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:57:12
You just dont get it do you?
61 Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:06:43
Kirkby may not be everybody’s dream of the ideal location but it did afford a reasonably priced solution to a massive problem. Those who have danced on its grave may well rue the day they did so.
Here’s praying for Lazarus to do a reprise!
62 Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:28:31
63 Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:55:41
64 Posted 08/12/2009 at 09:59:39
"The scheme that we are looking at for the town centre does not include a football stadium.
"What I’m saying on behalf of the government is that we’re not going to abandon the need for regeneration in Kirkby just because we’ve been knocked back at this stage."
Phil Woolas, Minister of State (the North West)
As he’s a politician he has covered himself with "At this stage we are not ruling a stadium in or out of the plans but our main emphasis is on regeneration." rather than saying it’s dead in the water etc
Dave Roberts, when have you offered your scientific methods in which you’ve researched opinion? What a ridiculous argument.
65 Posted 08/12/2009 at 10:12:35
66 Posted 08/12/2009 at 10:24:34
Its no good saying it was going to do this and that for us when it failed and he was told it would fail.
67 Posted 08/12/2009 at 09:42:32
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Didn’t you shuffle off the site the last time you were asked to explain to the ’smug fucks’ why you objected to the rejection?
68 Posted 08/12/2009 at 11:20:15
Last week I was on here saying how, ultimately, I feel sorry for Everton’s PR department (poisoned chalice etc).
But Richard Dodd just says he thinks it’s a crap operation.
Comes to something when you actually find yourself being more positive and sympathetic towards the Club than Doddy!
The world’s gone mad!
69 Posted 08/12/2009 at 13:03:08
As usually a Labour supporter (not for a while after Iraq), I don’t blame them. But they will make no decision about Kirkby before the election. And even then it would surely be allowing a ’scaled down’ version - i.e. no stadium. No need to get too excited.
70 Posted 08/12/2009 at 15:13:30
Thank you for putting meat on the bone, just recovering from flu here, thought I was going to have a coronary reading DK was to rise from the dead. Time for another Lemsip then sleep, no nightmares just peaceful sleep.
71 Posted 08/12/2009 at 17:04:58
72 Posted 08/12/2009 at 16:53:28
73 Posted 08/12/2009 at 20:34:59
I actually have a life other than parking my sorry butt in front of the computer. And your (same old) point is?
74 Posted 08/12/2009 at 20:37:29
Spare me the emotional pointscoring. I lost my grandfather in WWII and other family members at Auschwitz. I don’t need to bring it up to make a point or prove my worth. We see the world differently - I simply see it as my duty to them (and all who suffer in the name of the country and what we stand for) to vote - even if that means a spoilt vote. Let’s leave it at that.
75 Posted 08/12/2009 at 22:08:26
76 Posted 08/12/2009 at 23:04:36
Anyway why are we talking politics when there isn't a party that isn't in it for there own ends. all of them, it's allways been that way and allways will, it's the illuminate effect. So don't vote for anyone of them cause there all just playing a game of "let's see how much we can make this time".
So cut the political shite an let's stick to what matters, cause they're killing kids left right and centre in the name of freedom, our kids, other people's kids, but they're not doing it in my name. No matter what they say, gang of cunts.
77 Posted 09/12/2009 at 02:24:25
78 Posted 09/12/2009 at 21:56:14
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1 Posted 07/12/2009 at 08:54:58
As it is,it has been left to Sir Terry to get into discussions with The PM and show him the grave error of this decision. Blue Bill has only his PR department to blame for setting him up for the most humiliating climb down in his career as DK gets a belated go-ahead immediately after Christmas.