ToffeeWeb - Season 2009-10

Michael Kenrick

Matchday thread!

Andy Morden
1 Posted 20/12/2009 at 14:50:16

Tell you what folks, I’ll be much more confident if we pick up three points today. Wolves are 2 up against Burnley, if we lose the table then looks pretty grim for us.

Andy Morden
2 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:03:51

And Billy has inspired some confidence!

Get in!

Chris Jones
3 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:07:55

Any links??? Couldn’t get there today.

Chris Jones
4 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:08:22

Even radio will do - cancelled Everton TV too!!!

Andrew Bankes
5 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:08:35

Just about to say the same thing... fuckin shitty weather! Get in there Bill lad!

Andy Rowlands
6 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:09:23

www.iraqgoals.net has a couple of links, not great quality tho

Andy Morden
7 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:09:52

http://www.rajangan.net/template_live.php?ida=4979

Andrew Bankes
8 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:09:19

Saha just had a perfectly good goal disallowed for offside. I’m watching it on http://iraqgoals.net/4555-everton-fc-vs-birmingham-city-.html but it’s shit quality.

Andy Morden
9 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:10:21

Rubbish offside decision against Saha.

Ashley Woodstock
10 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:10:51

Links for todays game:

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=58870∂=sports

skysports one seems good quality so far

Andy Rowlands
11 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:11:43

We’re right up for it today!

Mark Burr
12 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:12:45

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun20.12/Everton_Birmingham.html

Looking good so far.....!

Peter Killey
13 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:13:18

http://www.iraqgoals.net/4555-everton-fc-vs-birmingham-city-.html

only one i can find, we are all over them, best start to any game this season, could be three up, one ruled of by saha for offside, was clear on...
COME on the BLUES

Tom Winek
14 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:13:15

We’re on fire. Finallly!

James Stewart
15 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:15:04

1-0 Bily!

Ashley Woodstock
16 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:14:58

We really are up for it today! If we continue like this we are gonna get a hatful!

Colin Ryan
17 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:14:41

Gotta get a second goal when were this much on top.Pienaar is flying!Best 10 mins of the season.

David Hallwood
18 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:14:26

We’re playing well, its been coming for weeks; just my luck as this is the 1st home game I’ve missed relatives over for Chrissy (and I wish they would f--k off) so I’m like a little boy sneaking off to keep gtabs on the game; thanks for the link

Peter Killey
19 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:16:30

Anyone got better site to watch on?

Ian Tunstead
20 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:14:55

Thought i would just mention to all those who think injury to key players is no excuse for bad results, even the mighty Man Utd are showing what a struggle it is when they lose a few players to injury. Theres nothing sir Alex can do, so why should Moyes and Everton be any different?

Tom Winek
21 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:17:09

Sopcast - sop://60.191.221.56:3912/82138
Good coverage and English commentry

James Stewart
22 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:17:27

Colin agree with you there not seen Everton open a game like this for well.... a long time!

Ashley Woodstock
23 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:19:27

Links in case anyone missed them:

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=58870&part=sports

skysports link is good so far

Peter Killey
24 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:18:43

Un bloody believable, we look like we are going to run away with it.

Andy Morden
25 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:19:43

Started like a steam train today!

David Hallwood
26 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:19:34

The iraqui goals has just downed tools but what I’ve seen we’re playing really well

Andrew Bankes
27 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:20:34

We look great so far... could have had 5!!!

Andy Morden
28 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:21:55

The lucky buggers have equalised. Come on Everton, keep at them.

Andy Rowlands
29 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:21:26

1 shot 1 goal....damnit

Nick Entwistle
30 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:22:38

Have been arsing around to get a link up and running since kick off, and the moment I do its a Brum goal... nuts.

Colin Ryan
31 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:20:54

Fellaini at fault there for not following his man!!Should be 3 up and now 1-1..unreal!

Michael Upton
32 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:23:12

Well that was fun while it lasted. Arse.

Never mind dominating for 20 minutes, defend like that and we are going down, especially with the likes of Pompey and Wolves winning.

Come on Blues, show some spirit!

Joey Brown
33 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:23:56

Fuckin piss poor refs this game should at least be 2-0.

Phil Rodgers
34 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:25:39

I can't believe they have equalised. If we don't win this we are in trouble.

Ashley Woodstock
35 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:27:12

how can you say show some spirit?? thats exactly what they have been doing, we have been awesome for 20 mins, they get a goal and all doom and gloom comes back... give the lads a chance!!!

Graham Holliday
36 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:28:06

Why is Heitinga determined to thump the ball 80 yards across to Bily, when he’s already marked?

Michael Upton
37 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:28:00

Phil? You can’t believe they’ve equalised? Have you been following Everton lately? When was the last time we held onto a lead in the league for any length of time?

Phil Rodgers
38 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:29:07

Its frustrating beyond belief. I honestly cannot remember the last time we kept a clean sheet in the league.

Andy Morden
39 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:30:33

The good thing about the Neil-Heitinga centre back pairing is we have two players comfortable on the ball. Fewer hoofs today

Dick Anderson
40 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:26:03

This is one of those games where one team has all the chances but fails to score then regrets it when the other team scores out of nothing.

The worrying thing is that after 5 wins on the trot Birmingham’s confidence will be sky high. Their equaliser will only increase their confidence.

Everton on the other hand haven’t won at home since September. Will that start to play on the players mind? How much has the equaliser dented our fragile confidence?

Has anyone else noticed that Everton never do anything easy?

Wolves and Portsmouth have won with Wigan and Bolton playing each other today we can expect one of them to win as well.

Its getting very tight down here at the bottom. We simply must beat Birmingham.

Come on you blues.

Michael Upton
41 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:30:20

Ashley, Fair point I wasn’t suggesting they hadn’t shown some spirit so far (although I accept that’s how my post might have come across) just that they needed to show some more.

I should point out that I wasn’t one of those on here on Friday criticising the limitations of the young players. I want Everton to do well as much as anyone.

Peter Killey
42 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:31:46

Forget the clean sheet now, we need to get another and get our chins up again, pass and move,

Joey Brown
43 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:30:17

Anyone have a better feed than vshare? ... this one sure is choppy.

Ashley Woodstock
44 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:33:21

Michael,
one thing in the last few games we can't say about these lads is they lack spirit, they have shown loads, specially to get a 3-3 draw at Chelsea.

Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated too, and I want Everton to win every game, but we seem to be heading in the right direction so far....

And dare I say, and I'm sure I will be shot, Osman seems to be playing well so far...

Matthew Salem
45 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:35:01

Right on Peter. We need 3 point regardless of how it’s done!

James Stewart
46 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:37:11

If anything we are over complicating things! Twice on the edge of the two and failed to shoot. Saha then Pienaar. Frustrating.

Dick Anderson
47 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:32:55

The problem is that although it was the young players against Bate it was still Everton and yet another loss for Everton.

Our form:-
Played: 15
Won: 2
Lost: 8
Drawn: 5

If we fail to beat Birmingham we really are in the shit.

Michael Upton
48 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:38:13

Ashley,
Just to reiterate, the spirit has been good for the last few games, we’re just lacking a solid defence — six goals in less than 2½ games is not a good return, is it?

Had to battle back against Chelsea and Spurs and can’t hold out Brum. Let’s face it, that was a shite goal to concede. OK so we should be two up (Saha never offside) but now we’re back to square one.
COYB!

James Stewart
49 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:39:46

Still complete domination but shite final pass.

Aiden Doyle
50 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:39:51

Joey, if you have Sopcast, this is a fairly smooth stream, (although the commentary’s not in English):

sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/74176

Ashley Woodstock
51 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:39:28

Never thought I'd hear the words.. Everton and over complicating things! lol

I think we have turned into Arsenal and trying to score a perfect goal?! lol

we are playing well, and I think we will get more goals.... if we can stop them scoring more, that's a different matter.

Tom Winek
52 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:41:50

Aiden, this is English commentry on Sopcast
sop://60.191.221.56:3912/82138

Sean McKenna
53 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:40:18

Remember when we mugged West Ham and Portsmouth? What goes round comes round... I’ve a bad feeling today, hope to feck I’m wrong as the table an upcomming fixtures don’t look great!!

Peter Killey
54 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:41:30

Great tackle, Tony!

Aiden Doyle
55 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:43:14

Nice. Thanks Tom.

Colin Ryan
56 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:40:26

Am I alone in thinking that's our best midfield with the exception of Arteta in for Osman? So, along with Howard, Baines, Heitinga and Saha, we're only missing Neville (rb) Jags (ch) and Arteta (cm) from our strongest 11?

James Stewart
57 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:43:29

Should have scored there. 3 in the Box Osman’s cross hit the first man. Rubbish! He has played well though to be fair.

Michael Upton
58 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:42:28

That Dann fella is acting like a total prick so far. Just watch him score the winner!

Joey Brown
59 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:45:09

Thanks Aiden but my mac can’t use sopcast ha. Collin... you’re probably right but those are a big three missing!

Matthew Salem
60 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:46:55

Great Everton performance, shite scoreline.

James Stewart
61 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:47:55

Good coverage on http://www.iraqgoals.net/4555-everton-fc-vs-birmingham-city-.html

Joey, I’m on a mac and that one is working great for me.

Half time now though.

Aiden Doyle
62 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:47:15

Bugger. I’ll be upgrading to a Mac in the New Year. Looks like I’ll have to keep the PC for matchdays.

James Stewart
63 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:48:45

Birmingham look complete rubbish not sure how they have got so high up!

Joey Brown
64 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:52:22

Yeah it was a sad realization when I got this... I used to be an avid sopcast user.

Joseph Elworthy
65 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:51:04

Birmingham have numbers back at all times, they keep their shape, wait for our predictably soft lobbed crosses, then wait for the counter-attack.

Tom Rowe
66 Posted 20/12/2009 at 15:55:19

Sopcast never works for me ever. Im using http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b28a455797d9 its a bit foreign but its alright, better than irag goals and plays full screen. You need to download the IE add on.

Joey Brown
67 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:04:35

http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch4.html

So far working well.. better than vshare for me.

Andy Morden
68 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:10:20

Tale of two halves, we can’t get our foot on the ball at the moment.

Giles Larkman
69 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:14:41

Good stream

http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b28a455797d9

Andy Rowlands
70 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:13:23

Ossie playing really well, looks like the enforced break has done him good... he looks lively. I back him to nick the next goal.

Colin Ryan
71 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:15:23

Cheers Giles

Ged Simpson
72 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:19:36

Ta Giles

Tom Winek
73 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:17:15

I’m getting inpatient. I want Yakubu and Coleman on

Dick Anderson
74 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:21:02

This is shit.

Why cant we win at home anymore?

I’m telling you now with the fixtures we have over the next couple of months if we don’t beat Birmingham today we are in serious trouble.

Are we this season's Newcastle?

Ged Simpson
75 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:22:53

I disagree....we’ll score here

Andy Morden
76 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:23:17

Pace. Direct running at players. We lack these.

Phil Rodgers
77 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:23:06

Really concerned at the moment. We look dreadful this half.

Nick Dommett
78 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:25:07

I think we’re playing well. It’s just a bit too much elaboration and not enough attacking from our full-backs. For this system to work we need attacking FBs.

Think Osman is having a good game.

On the other hand I’m crapping myself everytime they attack (which is not often); our defence looks like it's made of glass.

Ged Simpson
79 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:27:55

I’m with you on that view Nick

Gerry Quinn
80 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:28:14

Get Billy off and Coleman on!

Giles Larkman
81 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:29:19

C’mon Yak!!!

Christopher Marston
82 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:29:31

Why can we never find space??!!

Ernie Baywood
83 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:29:41

Why would Hibbert keep his place after Coleman’s performance vs Spurs? Everything breaks down with him - and this has been one of his better days.

Tom Campbell
84 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:30:19

Feed the Yak and he will score

Dick Anderson
85 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:26:24

Sunderland (a)
We won’t win here they are too good at home.

Burnley (h)
If we haven’t won at home since September whats the chances of us drawing this one.

Arsenal (a)
This is another loss.

Man City (h)
Roberto Mancini will be enjoying a honeymoon period and possibly they will have some new big money signings. Don’t fancy this one. Could be a draw.

Sunderland (h)
Surely this one we will win. Are we going to have to wait until the end of January for next home win though?

Wigan (a)
Probably a loss.

Liverpool (a)
Loss.

Chelsea (h)
Loss.

Man Utd (h)
Loss.

Tottenham (a)
Loss.

We are fucked if we don’t score a winner against Birmingham.

Phil Rodgers
86 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:31:06

We need to up the pace. A point is not good enough

Giles Larkman
87 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:33:09

Dick, you’ve made your point. Now stop being a broken fuckin record!!

Jamie Barlow
88 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:33:22

Fuckin wasteful again from Peinaar. Totally clueless the lot of em.

Chris Whitby
89 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:34:58

Dick cheer up its Everton get used to it

Joey Brown
90 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:35:12

Please score Everton... please score.

Geoff Edwards
91 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:36:01

Yak for Bily was a bad substitution. Midfield is unbalanced now.

Dick Anderson
92 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:35:10

Giles Larkman

I’d be more less worried about my comments and more concerned about this shit Everton team which hasn’t won at home since September.

I haven’t been this concerned for our Premiership status since Howard Kendall’s third spell in charge.

Matthew Salem
93 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:35:47

how fucking frustrating..

Andy Morden
94 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:38:55

Come on, something has got to fall for us. These dirty Brummies (tongue in cheek from me!) are resilient I’ll give them that.

Joey Brown
95 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:40:19

Hey DICK there’s a game on... watch it! And shut your mouth.

Paul O'Grady
96 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:40:48

I’m afraid we could be here all night and still wont get the second..

Nick Dommett
97 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:38:38

we have created chances. Just haven’t been able to score.

it happens unfortunately

Matthew Salem
98 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:40:42

Come on Everton...fuckin score!

Giles Larkman
99 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:40:35

Dick, I understand your point. But you keep saying it again, and again, and again.......

back in the day, avoiding relegation was our speciality!!

Jamie Barlow
100 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:39:36

Does that mean if we score a winner Dick, we’ll go on and beat all the rest.

Ste Boyle
101 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:42:54

Fooking Sheeeeeeite this

Dick Anderson
102 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:39:57

Everton 1 - 6 Arsenal
Everton 1 - 1 Stoke
Everton 1 - 1 Wolves
Everton 0 - 2 Benfica
Everton 0 - 2 Liverpool
Everton 0 - 1 Bate
Everton 1 - 1 Birmingham

Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit.

Something has to change things cant go on like this. We were established as the 5th best team in the Premiership.

What the fuck happened?

Phil Rodgers
103 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:39:57

How has it come to this? We should be destroying teams like this regardless of form. Fuckin rubbish.

Joey Brown
104 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:44:36

DICK GO ROOT FOR UNITED THEN!

Gerry Quinn
105 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:46:37

Goal attempts 19-2, come on Everton

Andy Morden
106 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:45:57

We need that Carsley moment, That last minute screamer. I’m praying!

Dick Anderson
107 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:44:31

At least West Ham are winning.

Thats Wolves, Portsmouth and now possibly West Ham winning.

Can’t believe its Christmas and Wolves are above us. How crap is that.

Ste Boyle
108 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:46:23

I agree with Dick. I was watching Sunday Supplement this morning and it broke my heart as they were going on about teams breaking the top 4 and we didnt get a single mention....Terrible this. More points pissed away....Terrible simply terrible.....I

Nick Dommett
109 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:46:54

we are crapping all over them. The commentator in the first half said he couldn’t remember the last time he had seen a team in as complete domination as Everton.

We are just not putting it in the back of the net. But we are creating.

Tom Campbell
110 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:48:31

Dreadful by Osman.

Gerry Quinn
111 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:49:23

Saha - what’s he doing - everything is high

Ernie Baywood
112 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:49:44

Why are we keeping 6 ot 7 back when Howard has the ball?

Andy Morden
113 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:50:22

Strange sub just now...

Tom Campbell
114 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:50:29

James Vaughan...WDF

Nick Dommett
115 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:49:15

Why take off Osman (who has played well) and leave on Cahill (who is injured)?!?

James Stewart
116 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:48:12

Criminal result. Only ourselves to blame though for being piss poor in front of goal.

Lee Smith
117 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:52:30

Errrrr.....what sort of sub was that? Surely if he was going to do that he should have done it 15 minutes ago? Truley baffling.

Ernie Baywood
118 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:50:36

This makes no fucking sense. We’re banging long balls into the box - yet Cahill and Fellaini are playing in the centre circle. Someone use their fucking brain can they?

Phil Rodgers
119 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:52:27

Relegation fodder. Fuckin abysmal.

Tom Winek
120 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:52:58

It’s alright we have Landon Donavon coming in January!

Tom Campbell
121 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:53:18

Wrtetched in the last 3rd today

Dick Anderson
122 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:51:43

Everton 1 - 1 Birmingham

Fucking awful result.

Fuck David Moyes.

Fuck those shitty players.

I’m off to try and forget Everton. I’m going to spend the next week ignoring all things blue and try to enjoy my Christmas before Sunderland beat us on Boxing Day and ruin it.

Fuckin useless wankers.

Ste Boyle
123 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:50:33

Garbage that. We need a miracle this season to survive. There are no rose tinted glasses with the "we created a load of chances" brigade. Goals win games and we dont score enough. Bottom line, we’re shit.

Ernie Baywood
124 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:53:38

Cost me a fucking long odds multibet as well that.

Brilliant for 20 minutes... then lost their bottle... the less said about the last 20 the better.

Andy Morden
125 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:53:16

I am so rueing that disallowed Saha goal.

Played well, but no killer instinct.

Geoff Edwards
126 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:54:29

Jesus Ste get a grip. We need a miracle to survive? Really? We just completely dominated that game against a side in the top 10 unbeaten in 5.

FFS we’re a good team we’re just low on confidence and form. That’s why we don’t have that killer instinct at the moment.

To claim we need a miracle to survive is laughable.

Matthew Salem
127 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:56:12

No killer instinct? It was there against Spurs and Chelsea when we converted the few chances we had. Well, even I now accept we are fighting relegation. And this year, 40pts may not be enough.

Phil Rodgers
128 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:54:28

This season has been a complete and utter shambles. This is supposed to be the best side we have had in years. Where has the passion and commitment gone?

Ian McPherson
129 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:57:37

We do not need a miracle. We just need the other shittier teams than us to be more shittier. Sorry for being so technical.

Alan Clarke
130 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:54:14

Dick, having disagreed with your last post, "getting scary", I’m now in full agreement with you. I don’t just think we’re in a relegation fight, I think we’re going down. This game was the one to show we’ve turned the corner having come back against Tottenham and Chelsea. We’ve turned no corners, we just continue to slide downwards.

Even though we’ve attacked more today we were still totally ineffective. 19 shots on goal and 1 goal, nice one Moyes.

Ste Boyle
131 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:59:24

Geoff, I honestly cant see where our next points are coming from. All the other shit teams are pulling results out and we cant even win at home.

I agree that this season has been a shambles and as ive previously stated I wont accept ’injuries’ as the core reason. Moyes is the core reason... clueless... fucking clueless

Dick Anderson
132 Posted 20/12/2009 at 16:57:32

Geoff Edwards

Wake up son.

Its Christmas and Everton are a point from the relegation zone.

We haven’t won at home since fucking September.

Take a long hard look at the upcoming fixtures and its almost impossible to us winning 3 games before March.

For awhile now people have been saying if Everton aren’t careful they could be involved in the relegation scrap.

Well that time has come and gone. We are in the relegation fight and I hate to say it but we are in serious trouble.

Geoff Edwards
133 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:01:38

"19 shots on goal and 1 goal, nice one Moyes".

How is that Moyes’s fault? is he supposed to get out on the pitch and convert the chances himself?

Kunal Desai
134 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:00:13

Jesus Christ! How fucking desperate and dire was that!!! 17 points behind Villa dn 15 behind Spurs with not even half the season gone. Absolute pig shit! Can’t see even a top half finish this year, very painful.

Kunal Desai
135 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:05:10

Can anyone imagine Moyes manager at Man City, fuck lasting 18 months he’d be booted out after 18 minutes!!

Phil Rodgers
136 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:03:19

Its time for these players to show some pride. I care little for Birminghams form. They were absolutely shocking. Even with our injuries we should beat these.

Dick Anderson
137 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:12:30

Geoff Edwards, It's not impossible for us to win anygame but you have to look at it realisitically and accept that Sunderland are very good at home and we will ’probably’ come away from that game empty handed.

It's possible we could beat Burnley and Man City at home but at best thats two wins over the next two months.

Chances are we wont get more then the odd point from the games against Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs.

I made the point earlier in the week (Getting Scary) and this awful result against Birmingham has only confirmed my worst fears.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
138 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:47:20

Indeed Everything hurts... that is the title of Joey Brown’s post-match Mailbag thread, where this discussion continues....

Alan Clarke
139 Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:48:29

Geoff, don’t be a dick, hey? This is Moyes’s squad and Moyes’s team. He’s 8th in the spending league. He’s outspent the likes of Birmingham, Wolves, Stoke and Burnley yet we’re sat lower than all of these teams after half the season.

The thing is, we’ll get to see where your misplaced optimism gets us because Moyes is going nowhere. This is as shit as we’ve ever been yet there are far too many Evertonians that are unwilling to accept it.