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Everton Suspend Jô
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Just broke on Sky Sports News.
This is all we need: Yak — unfit & unavailiable; Saha — impossible to see him propping up the attack single-handedly; Vaughan — fingers crossed there,but now this ineffectual waster has pissed-off the famously stubborn Moyes.
Despite many posters on ToffeeWeb waxing-lyrical over this Brazilian, the majority have been under-whelmed; now this: A breach of club rules. This is good news though as I think Moyes will swoop for a striker!
Kevin Hudson, Posted 01/01/2010 at 10:43:43
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Steve Geen
2 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:20:19
2 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:20:19
Can't see him leading the one up front foward line against Carlisle tomorrow then!
Gavin Ramejkis
3 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:57:34
3 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:57:34
Not the attitude we are looking for in a player, especially a shite one on loan at that.
Ken Williams
4 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:30:16
4 Posted 01/01/2010 at 12:30:16
IMO I am not bothered if Moyes boots him back to City, for me he has never lived upto expectations and failed to take the chances Moysie gave him. I would prefer he was replaced in the Jan window by a CF that can find the net.
Kunal Desai
5 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:19:50
5 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:19:50
This guy is just fucking shit and a waste of space. I really don’t why the hell Moyes bothered to even take up the option to get back on loan in the summer.
Whilst the Yak is away, Moyes should perhaps once again try the Cahill/Fellaini up-top partnership which brought success for most of last season.
Christopher McCullough
6 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:22:41
6 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:22:41
Does anybody else think this might be a clever strategy fom Moyes? It has become clear, even to Moyes, that Jo is shit. Is this an excuse to get rid of him?
My opinion is that, if Saha had gone AWOL to France for just a day or two, then we would’t have heard about it. If i’m right, then ’good man, Moyesie’. A manager needs a Machiavellian streak in the ruthless business of PL football. Jo won’t starve.
Nick Entwistle
7 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:51:20
7 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:51:20
As a footnote, the BBC state that Alan Irvine is welcome to come in and work with the squad!!!!!
Andy Morden
8 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:51:19
8 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:51:19
Doubt if it is a ’clever strategy’, Moyes is doing what he did when the Yak did a similar unauthorised vanishing act after Afcon 2 years ago — stamping his authority. The Yak was a key member of the team too, whereas Jo really isn’t.
Shame; Carlisle would be the kind of game where Jo would score — he looked great against Rochdale in preseason! Just his level....
Dave Wilson
9 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:53:59
9 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:53:59
I still think he has something to offer, but can't see him getting a game again.
Franny Porter
10 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:55:54
10 Posted 01/01/2010 at 17:55:54
One of the worst strikers I have ever seen, I would rather see any kid from the reserves or youth team than that waste of skin.
Christopher McCullough
11 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:08:20
11 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:08:20
Great to see Irvine back. I think his attack-minded input has been missed. Good point about the Yak, Andy Morden. I forgot about that. I still think, or hope, that the emergence of Vaughan and Donovan will encourage Moyes to get rid of Jo and bring in another loan with his wages.
Gavin Ramejkis
12 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:12:15
12 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:12:15
Nick, it’s not just a footnote, the interview was on the radio earlier and DM himself said Irvine is welcome back at the club. To the matter at hand, though... surely there must be a striker catching splinters somewhere that is eager to get games under his belt for the World Cup, be it in La Liga, the Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, or elsewhere?
David Hallwood
13 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:51:19
13 Posted 01/01/2010 at 18:51:19
Kevin, I doubt many posters waxed lyrically over Jo’s performances. Some posters, me included, pointed out that some foreign players need time to adjust to the cut & thrust of the Prem, and some of them never do. So I thought too many posters judged Jo too quickly, and a similar thing is happening with Bily, who of course also played his football in Russia.
Lee Kidd
14 Posted 01/01/2010 at 19:00:27
14 Posted 01/01/2010 at 19:00:27
Point taken, David, but in Jo’s case there’s a difference between struggling with the pace and simply being utter cack. The lad is barely a footballer!
I’d be glad to have rid, for two reasons: it pushes the much more effective and promising Vaughan into contention, and it will force Moyes to at least consider signing a striker this month. Knowing him, though, he’ll settle with a front two of Lucas Neill and Landon Donovan before he "swoops" for anyone.
I’d be glad to have rid, for two reasons: it pushes the much more effective and promising Vaughan into contention, and it will force Moyes to at least consider signing a striker this month. Knowing him, though, he’ll settle with a front two of Lucas Neill and Landon Donovan before he "swoops" for anyone.
Sean Patton
15 Posted 01/01/2010 at 19:54:31
15 Posted 01/01/2010 at 19:54:31
Brett, I like your way of thinking, that is a cunning plan if ever I heard one. The mad thing is I think Jo could be pretty good given the right conditions but his form this season is a world away from last year when he had a decent return of goals.
Lee Smith
16 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:17:46
16 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:17:46
Gavin - "...surely there must be a striker catching splinters somewhere that is eager to get games under his belt for the World Cup..."
*cough* Michael Owen *cough*
*cough* Michael Owen *cough*
Tony Marsh
17 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:09:50
17 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:09:50
What ever anyone thinks of Jo, we need numbers. It's very unlikely Moyes will go out and sign a striker this window... more likely he will sign another right back to go with the other half a dozen we already have.
Jo isn't the greatest striker I have seen in a blue shirt but, given correct service, there is something there. Confidence for Jo is at an all time low due to the fact that we are asking a young Brazilian to play up front on his own in the Premier League. Some of you slagging him are way off the mark.
Any striker in the world would suffer playing in a system so poorly thought out as the Moyes system. Longball teams require big centre-forwards and pacey midfielders; we have neither. So think about the system we adopt before slaughtering the player.
Try knocking a screw into a piece of wood with a hammer then blaming the screw when the job fucks up.
Jo isn't the greatest striker I have seen in a blue shirt but, given correct service, there is something there. Confidence for Jo is at an all time low due to the fact that we are asking a young Brazilian to play up front on his own in the Premier League. Some of you slagging him are way off the mark.
Any striker in the world would suffer playing in a system so poorly thought out as the Moyes system. Longball teams require big centre-forwards and pacey midfielders; we have neither. So think about the system we adopt before slaughtering the player.
Try knocking a screw into a piece of wood with a hammer then blaming the screw when the job fucks up.
Max Meindl
18 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:27:46
18 Posted 01/01/2010 at 20:27:46
An idea is that we could look at loaning Benni McCarthy from South Africa. He is a bit of a porker at the moment but he is getting fitter and has lost alot of weight. He really is a great finisher.
Also as a South African it will be nice to see him and Pienaar playing together regularily before the World Cup because they bothe are our best players.
Also as a South African it will be nice to see him and Pienaar playing together regularily before the World Cup because they bothe are our best players.
Gavin Ramejkis
19 Posted 01/01/2010 at 21:32:28
19 Posted 01/01/2010 at 21:32:28
Lee, come on... I said striker not glass-ankled Welsh money-grabbing mercenary — he couldn’t buy his way into the Engerland squad either way.
Dick Fearon
20 Posted 01/01/2010 at 22:19:35
20 Posted 01/01/2010 at 22:19:35
We are in desperate need of an attack-minded coach and Moyes brings in a dour defensive-minded mirror image of himself to go with the half-dozen other defensive-minded mirror images that we already have.
Lord, give me strength!
Phil Hamer
21 Posted 01/01/2010 at 22:49:34
21 Posted 01/01/2010 at 22:49:34
Hats off to Tony Marsh for turning a thread about Jo going AWOL into a criticism of David Moyes. Your obsession with our ginger genius grows by the month.
As for Jo, he’s clearly not up to this league, as we are seeing with most players who come in from the Russian league. Premier League clubs will cotton on soon and stop buying players from over there.
Brett Bradshaw
22 Posted 01/01/2010 at 23:12:32
22 Posted 01/01/2010 at 23:12:32
I wouldn’t consider Arshivin out of his league, nor would I our Bily. Jo isn’t living up to the end-season form he showed 7 months ago but it wouldn’t surprise me if he got a couple of goals this Jan and got his confidence back.
Wouldn’t that be nice! ... and positive!
Wouldn’t that be nice! ... and positive!
Aodhan O'Faolain
23 Posted 01/01/2010 at 23:20:40
23 Posted 01/01/2010 at 23:20:40
I am just surprised that anybody missed Jo in the first place.
James Stewart
24 Posted 02/01/2010 at 01:56:20
24 Posted 02/01/2010 at 01:56:20
The whole thing stinks. I think we will be seeing the departure of Jo in January as Moyes seems to have made up his mind to get rid. I would be very surprised if he stayed. Bare in mind Jo is on £50,000 p/w. Getting out of this contract would free up wages for other possible loan targets.
Steve Ferns
25 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:24:52
25 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:24:52
I’m unsure how much truth there is to this, but I heard ages ago that Jo would be returned to City in January and we would get a potential refund on the loan for for the 2nd half of the season. Jo will then join Olympiakos. This will then give us wages and a a bit of money to get a new striker in.
Gerry Quinn
26 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:36:19
26 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:36:19
Quote from unknown source:
It has emerged that Everton insisted as part of Joleon Lescott’s acrimonious £22million switch from Goodison to Eastlands that City would continue to pay Jo’s wages, which are thought to be about £35,000-a-week.
The detail underlines how desperate former City manager Mark Hughes was to land Lescott, but also how Everton chairman Bill Kenwright squeezed everything out of their rivals.
Everton cannot fine the player for his latest bout of ill-discipline, which saw him return to Brazil for personal reasons, but will explore whether City will take action for what is a flagrant breach of contract. Moyes – whose side face Carlisle in the FA Cup today – first signed Jo on loan last January and said: “Jo went back to Brazil without permission. He is now back but at this moment in time he is suspended."
It has emerged that Everton insisted as part of Joleon Lescott’s acrimonious £22million switch from Goodison to Eastlands that City would continue to pay Jo’s wages, which are thought to be about £35,000-a-week.
The detail underlines how desperate former City manager Mark Hughes was to land Lescott, but also how Everton chairman Bill Kenwright squeezed everything out of their rivals.
Everton cannot fine the player for his latest bout of ill-discipline, which saw him return to Brazil for personal reasons, but will explore whether City will take action for what is a flagrant breach of contract. Moyes – whose side face Carlisle in the FA Cup today – first signed Jo on loan last January and said: “Jo went back to Brazil without permission. He is now back but at this moment in time he is suspended."
Ed Note: Looks like Paul Joyce in teh Express could be the source.
Gerry Quinn
27 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:37:53
27 Posted 02/01/2010 at 02:37:53
Everton are asking if they can fine Jo £70k, or two weeks wages. Why would they have to ask if City are still paying him?
Garry Corgan
28 Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:45:40
28 Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:45:40
I couldn’t care less if Jô was is the best or worst striker at the club! I’m just glad he’s been suspended. If any of us go AWOL from our jobs we’d likely be suspended and/or sacked, so it’s good to see that these mercenary footballers who believe they can do whatever they like are punished the same way. Good on Moyes and Everton!
Will Leaf
29 Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:27:09
29 Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:27:09
"Say it ain’t so Jô..."
Anyway, one cannot deny he’s been good value for money if it’s true City are still paying all his wages. The Lescott deal looks better every day.
Anyway, one cannot deny he’s been good value for money if it’s true City are still paying all his wages. The Lescott deal looks better every day.
Kevin Hudson
30 Posted 02/01/2010 at 10:46:27
30 Posted 02/01/2010 at 10:46:27
Pavlyuchenko on loan anyone? Looks like ’Arry is happy to get shut..
Eric Hardman
31 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:23:18
31 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:23:18
It’s not Jo that needs to be suspended, it’s Moyes. If he was really any good at man-management this wouldn’t have happened. Suspending Jo is just cutting off his nose to spite his face. Still has to pay him but can’t play him. AvdM all over again!
Eric Hardman
32 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:25:40
32 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:25:40
PS Moyes doesn’t do ’swoop’.
Alan Clarke
33 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:49:01
33 Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:49:01
Tony Marsh, I thought you knew something about football? That appraisal of Jo is wide of the mark. No amount of coaching or playing the right system for him will make him a decent player. He is absolute shite. He has no physcial presence, no right foot, a poor touch and the weakest shot I’ve ever seen a professional footballer have. If that is just confidence then if I gain some confidence I could be a Premier League player too!
Jo has no attributes that will one day make him come good. I’d sooner have a player less in the squad than be tempted to play that streak of piss again.
Jo has no attributes that will one day make him come good. I’d sooner have a player less in the squad than be tempted to play that streak of piss again.
Steven Jones
34 Posted 02/01/2010 at 13:17:42
34 Posted 02/01/2010 at 13:17:42
I think I am between Tony Marsh and your view, Alan.
Jo is ahead in development to our own Vaughan and has an impressive scoring record in Russia and played for his country – Brazil – so there is talent there. He performed well up on his own against Chelsea and in Europe — putting himself about a bit and setting up the goal. He has not achieved what we or Moyesia would have liked and was and is behind the Yak and Saha in the pecking order.
Overvalued at £18m or even half that and needs to think more goals and getting on the end of things than being one up-front and the link man. If we are going to judge on goals only then I fear he has failed in the first half of this season.
BTW - all the rumour nonsense about Saha going to shite or Arse or elsewhere is clearly not on Moyes mind as he would still let Vaughan go if he got someone in on loan up front. It also it points to Moyes thinking that Jo will stay once he gets through the disciplinary piece.
Jo is ahead in development to our own Vaughan and has an impressive scoring record in Russia and played for his country – Brazil – so there is talent there. He performed well up on his own against Chelsea and in Europe — putting himself about a bit and setting up the goal. He has not achieved what we or Moyesia would have liked and was and is behind the Yak and Saha in the pecking order.
Overvalued at £18m or even half that and needs to think more goals and getting on the end of things than being one up-front and the link man. If we are going to judge on goals only then I fear he has failed in the first half of this season.
BTW - all the rumour nonsense about Saha going to shite or Arse or elsewhere is clearly not on Moyes mind as he would still let Vaughan go if he got someone in on loan up front. It also it points to Moyes thinking that Jo will stay once he gets through the disciplinary piece.
Dick Anderson
35 Posted 02/01/2010 at 13:40:08
35 Posted 02/01/2010 at 13:40:08
Why bother suspending him? Why not just send him back to Man City?
Let's be honest Jo is rubbish. He’s scored 2 goals this season and does bugger all on the pitch.
He has no future at Everton. Moyes will not make his a permanent move. So why not just send him packing?
Let's be honest Jo is rubbish. He’s scored 2 goals this season and does bugger all on the pitch.
He has no future at Everton. Moyes will not make his a permanent move. So why not just send him packing?
Colin Potter
36 Posted 02/01/2010 at 14:35:33
36 Posted 02/01/2010 at 14:35:33
A cracker, Eric Hardman!!!
He doesn’t do much of anything!
Brian Waring
37 Posted 02/01/2010 at 14:56:12
37 Posted 02/01/2010 at 14:56:12
Jo has the touch of an elephant. But I reckon that had Arteta been in the side, we may have seen a different Jo.
Steven Hepworth
38 Posted 02/01/2010 at 17:14:38
38 Posted 02/01/2010 at 17:14:38
Does Tony Marsh know something that the rest of us don’t? Haven’t we already signed a striker this window??
Whether Jo stays or not, Moyes has done the right thing and is setting the right example to the rest of the squad.
Whether Jo stays or not, Moyes has done the right thing and is setting the right example to the rest of the squad.
Andy Crooks
39 Posted 02/01/2010 at 18:55:36
39 Posted 02/01/2010 at 18:55:36
Brian, you make a good point. Jo is a young guy playing a long way from home. The comments on this thread are just fucking ridiculous and unfair. David Moyes is right to discipline him but I think it’s time for an arm round the shoulder as well. We have a proven quality player here and with proper handling and in the right line-up he would prove it.
What has ever been achieved by giving a young lad stick from the stands? Tony Marsh makes a very good point but unfortunately there are posters on this site who cannot see that Jo wouldn’t be the first player to be wasted by David Moyes.
Dick Anderson
40 Posted 02/01/2010 at 22:16:16
40 Posted 02/01/2010 at 22:16:16
Only Tony Marsh could blame David Moyes for Jo being pants.
Tony, you can’t polish a turd.
Moyes is a manager who can get the best out of players.
Arteta was very average at Rangers and flopped at Sociedad before Moyes got the best out him.
Cahill was a player no one was sure on until Moyes gave him a chance and got the best out of him.
Lescott stepped up a level under Moyes from Championship player to England International. Form he hasn’t found since leaving Moyes.
Phil Jagielka was a solid enough player for Sheff Utd but nothing special. Under Moyes he’s become a quality defender even playing for England.
Steven Pienaar was a flop at Borussia Dortmund before Moyes spent just £2 million on him and made him one of the best midfielders in the country.
You could even argue that Phil Neville’s best years have been spent at Everton under Moyes.
Point is Moyes has a proven track record for getting the best out of players.
Unfortunately, Jo just isn’t good enough for the Premier League. Mark Hughes couldn’t get anything out of him either.
Tony, you can’t polish a turd.
Moyes is a manager who can get the best out of players.
Arteta was very average at Rangers and flopped at Sociedad before Moyes got the best out him.
Cahill was a player no one was sure on until Moyes gave him a chance and got the best out of him.
Lescott stepped up a level under Moyes from Championship player to England International. Form he hasn’t found since leaving Moyes.
Phil Jagielka was a solid enough player for Sheff Utd but nothing special. Under Moyes he’s become a quality defender even playing for England.
Steven Pienaar was a flop at Borussia Dortmund before Moyes spent just £2 million on him and made him one of the best midfielders in the country.
You could even argue that Phil Neville’s best years have been spent at Everton under Moyes.
Point is Moyes has a proven track record for getting the best out of players.
Unfortunately, Jo just isn’t good enough for the Premier League. Mark Hughes couldn’t get anything out of him either.
Derek Thomas
41 Posted 03/01/2010 at 03:47:12
41 Posted 03/01/2010 at 03:47:12
Irvine, a Moyes clone?? His relacement’s team won 7-0. Makes you think
Gavin Ramejkis
42 Posted 03/01/2010 at 16:38:55
42 Posted 03/01/2010 at 16:38:55
Dick Anderson, sorry but "Mikel Arteta was very average at Rangers" — you are talking out of your arse, he was loved by the supporters and missed and they would take him back in a heartbeat.
Phil Jagielka was inaugural Championship Player of the year and again missed by the Sheffield United team and supporters alike, they didn’t need to use a sub keeper as he also took that role!
Agree with you that Jo is an average player who simply can’t play in a 4-5-1 role, in Russia, he never played up front on his own and at Everton his first and second touch betray his overall weakness as anything other than very average.
James Bowman
43 Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:46:53
43 Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:46:53
So back to the money, seems Jo was on £35k a week being paid by City. So was the fine that we (apparently) asked for due to come to EFC due to him not being available for selection? Also, if it was part of the Lescott deal and was set up for a year, does this mean an additional payment or a suitable other coming in Jo’s place?
Looking forward to 2010, COYB!!
Looking forward to 2010, COYB!!
Tim O'Connell
44 Posted 04/01/2010 at 20:15:14
44 Posted 04/01/2010 at 20:15:14
Dick Anderson is absolutely right - re Gavin’s comment Mikel was adored by Rangers but that is the Scottish League and the Premier ’Top Four’ would not have even talked about him, likewise Jags - but they would now.
Re Jo , he would be a useful squad member but if DM cannot rely on him getrid - end of!
Re Jo , he would be a useful squad member but if DM cannot rely on him getrid - end of!
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1 Posted 01/01/2010 at 11:08:41
Another possibility is that he has gone 'awol' and his performances have dipped all according to plan, where he value is greatly reduced and we pull him in for a couple of mil, to the delight of both Moyes and Jo... to where he starts playing like an £18m player!