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Everton vs Sporting Lisbon
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Line-up is : Howard, Neville, Distin, Yobo, Baines, Arteta, Cahill, Osman, Donovan, Saha.
Subs: Nash, Bilyaletdinov, Vaughan, Gosling, Yakubu, Rodwell, Coleman.
Predictable really, I think Ciaran actually called it exactly right a few days ago. A shame no Rodwell or Coleman.
James Stewart, Posted 16/02/2010 at 14:18:22
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Where is Pienaar!!?? Any decent links anyone?
Should be on here for sopcast users;
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/81774
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/81774
Pienaar is playing, the line-up above only has ten players. Don’t worry, Pienaar is there somewhere!
Pheww! Thanks David.
Pienaar is on. Copy and pasted the line up from the OS so usual mistakes from them.
Fellaini out for six fucking months...
Felli out for 6 months!!!!
Looks like a positive attacking midfield, slightly optimistic although distin / neville terify me.
I may have had a few beers but that starting line up seems to comprise 10 players. Fuckin shit about Fellaini-see ya next season big fella.
Where is the confirmation on the Fellaini injury?
Moyes quote from the pre match interview.
Thanks David. Bad news!
Any Links boys? Cant get Sopcast to work.
Neville is getting worse by the game... What has Coleman done not to get a chance?
http://www.p2p4u.net/watch/12487/3/watch-everton-fc-vs-sporting-cp.html
Good ball by Neville. Always rated him.
Just found this but it keeps stopping and the commentary is in Arabic.
http://livetv.ru/webplayer.php?t=vshare&c=15nlhn2b930&lang=en
Anyone got anything that works??????
http://livetv.ru/webplayer.php?t=vshare&c=15nlhn2b930&lang=en
Anyone got anything that works??????
this one’s working fine for me:
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/60341
you need sopcast obviously
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/60341
you need sopcast obviously
Im watching on veetle its Danish commentary but pictures good
Just downloaded it but it doesn’t like my Mac.
http://iraqgoals.net/6238-everton-fc-vs-sporting-lisbon-.html this works for me!
Is ossie playing??
Yes Tommy he is. Playing fairly well
Steve Beck
Which Veetle Channel?
Which Veetle Channel?
Ste, macs are no good for watching the footy as sopcast and many others dont work, suggest using an old pc if you can, thats what I do.
Maybe you can try this veetlehttp://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b7abc1d34c80
Maybe you can try this veetlehttp://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b7abc1d34c80
or
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b77e5d9c28f8
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b77e5d9c28f8
steve mink go on My P2P website and its under danish delight once youve clicked on the match
Whatta shame. just as i said pre match. Distin Neville are massively inferior to the rest of our squad. Might be harsh as it was a stupid pass in the first place but caught day dreaming, flat footed.
All that effort for nothing.
Game on
All that effort for nothing.
Game on
Far too negative. Played on our own 18 yard when 2 ahead is not acceptable.
Going to be very ugly over there.
Going to be very ugly over there.
We just sat back too deep for the last 20 minutes. and those buggers punished us. Oh well all is not lost I still believe we’re capable of getting an away goal over there.
Bloody stupid Distin cost us the tie there I would guess.
Distin’s touch looked dodgy all night and the penalty was very clumsy.
Trouble is although Everton won on the night you would have to say Sporting are favourites now because of the away goal.
Distin’s touch looked dodgy all night and the penalty was very clumsy.
Trouble is although Everton won on the night you would have to say Sporting are favourites now because of the away goal.
Can’t agree with you Dick. No way was that Distins fault. It was a shocking ball from Rodwell. That bloke winds me up something rotten. Is it physically impossible for him to pass the ball forward.
That was entirely Rodwell’s fault. What a ridiculous pass! I’m a fan of Rodwell but that was a shocking ball. To make it worse some twat of a manager in Plymouth decided it would be a good idea to change the channel in the pub i watch the game in for the other Red Shite and has fucked me off entirely. It was in injury time and the other game hadn’t even started yet! Needless to say i’ve told her what a twat she is in terms a little more savoury than that but i wouldn’t have been as fucked off if it hadn’t have been for Rodwell’s terrible pass.
This should have been us home and dry. Baines was excellent today and i thought after a few nerves to begin with we dictated the entire game. Even when they got the penalty that was a chance that had looked unlikely the entire game.
I can’t believe we’re in this position after tonight! Fucking Janner’s!
This should have been us home and dry. Baines was excellent today and i thought after a few nerves to begin with we dictated the entire game. Even when they got the penalty that was a chance that had looked unlikely the entire game.
I can’t believe we’re in this position after tonight! Fucking Janner’s!
Such a shame about the pen at the end, fucking stupid pass, shitty control and clumsy in the box. Away goal could prove costly but they have to win, if we draw or win we are through. Big ask in the 2nd leg but when have we ever done things the easy way.
It was a sloppy pass from Rodwell but I still maintain Distin’s control was awful.
1. It wasn’t the first time Distin’s controld was lacking. A couple of times during the match his control and touch were lacking.
2. It was a heavy from Rodwell but I bet Heitinga would have been able to control it.
3. Distin produced a very lazy tackle for the penalty. He didn’t have to do that. He should have just stayed on his feet and let the Sporting player shoot at goal. The odds of the player scoring were probably about the same as the penalty but at least Distin would have stayed on the pitch.
I don’t like slagging off players but Rodwell’s poor pass and Distin’s bad control and silly tackle have cost Everton here.
Sporting only need a 1-0 result and Everton are out. And we wont be back in Europe next season.
1. It wasn’t the first time Distin’s controld was lacking. A couple of times during the match his control and touch were lacking.
2. It was a heavy from Rodwell but I bet Heitinga would have been able to control it.
3. Distin produced a very lazy tackle for the penalty. He didn’t have to do that. He should have just stayed on his feet and let the Sporting player shoot at goal. The odds of the player scoring were probably about the same as the penalty but at least Distin would have stayed on the pitch.
I don’t like slagging off players but Rodwell’s poor pass and Distin’s bad control and silly tackle have cost Everton here.
Sporting only need a 1-0 result and Everton are out. And we wont be back in Europe next season.
The other thing worth remembering when assigning blame for that goal is that Rodwell is 18 while Distin is 32.
It was a rookie’s mistake from a promising youngster and clumsy and lumbering defending from an experienced pro.
It was a rookie’s mistake from a promising youngster and clumsy and lumbering defending from an experienced pro.
A player at this level should be able to control a ball like that. Still think we can go through though. Pity Coleman didnt get a run out
Dick Anderson- agree completely with that summary- more fault with Distin than Rodwell.
Thought that we got up to our usual tricks in the last 10 minutes or so and just said back too far and let them onto us. Were looking pretty comfortable before that, so no real ned
Thought that we got up to our usual tricks in the last 10 minutes or so and just said back too far and let them onto us. Were looking pretty comfortable before that, so no real ned
Bloody hell, we just beat a team easily, with a 2-1 score line that flattered the opposition due to a stupid error by an 18 year old or a 32 year old, take you pick. But suddenly everybody comes on here and says we’re done. Get a grip.
How exactly is it a done deal that this team will beat us in Lisbon? Because we played a poor game in Lisbon earlier this season with half a team? We went to Chelsea and held them 3-3, held Arsenal 2-2 in a game we should have won. So how exactly is it that we have no chance of at the very least holding this Lisbon side to a draw away from home? We’re not out of this tie, we’re fucking leading. Christ, the negativity of some of you is just too much to handle sometimes.
How exactly is it a done deal that this team will beat us in Lisbon? Because we played a poor game in Lisbon earlier this season with half a team? We went to Chelsea and held them 3-3, held Arsenal 2-2 in a game we should have won. So how exactly is it that we have no chance of at the very least holding this Lisbon side to a draw away from home? We’re not out of this tie, we’re fucking leading. Christ, the negativity of some of you is just too much to handle sometimes.
Well, what can you say - a ghood win -but the groans at the end of the game said it all - very disjointed performance...and a hell of a lot to critique,
The central midfield triumvirate looked unbalanced from the start - and seemed to be lacking a defensive player - I don’t necessarilty mean someone to sit in front of the back four at all times - but somon to control the midfield area...Ossie tried but the most obvious thing from his game this evening was misplaced passes and running into danger and eventually condeding possession...
The other major problem (which could arguably have been a result of this lack of midfield leadership) was the amount of play that went through Neville - and he inevitably panicked and hoofed it..however kudos for his pass to Cahill for the goal (I have to assume he meant it)...but another poor display..
As for Distin...yes, it was terrible from Rodwell..but any centre half wort their salt would have cleared it...Unfortunately Distin is increasingly looking like a liability...
Good shows from Yobo..and the usual controlled display from Arteta...
United are currently looking pretty crap against a geriatric Milan team...A bit of a re-arrangement and we surey have the team to give them a game on Saturday...
The central midfield triumvirate looked unbalanced from the start - and seemed to be lacking a defensive player - I don’t necessarilty mean someone to sit in front of the back four at all times - but somon to control the midfield area...Ossie tried but the most obvious thing from his game this evening was misplaced passes and running into danger and eventually condeding possession...
The other major problem (which could arguably have been a result of this lack of midfield leadership) was the amount of play that went through Neville - and he inevitably panicked and hoofed it..however kudos for his pass to Cahill for the goal (I have to assume he meant it)...but another poor display..
As for Distin...yes, it was terrible from Rodwell..but any centre half wort their salt would have cleared it...Unfortunately Distin is increasingly looking like a liability...
Good shows from Yobo..and the usual controlled display from Arteta...
United are currently looking pretty crap against a geriatric Milan team...A bit of a re-arrangement and we surey have the team to give them a game on Saturday...
Apologies for the typo’s in that..using a very small keyboard tonight...
A result in Lisbon takes us through. Can be done. We can - and do - win in Europe.
Donnie Darko, our ref tonight just about got it right. The officials in the next leg could play a much bigger part.
Donnie Darko, our ref tonight just about got it right. The officials in the next leg could play a much bigger part.
Can’t help thinking how much we missed Heitinga and Fellaini tonight. They’ve been our strongest players in recent months, and surely we would have fully controlled the game if they had been in. The boys did quite well, though, without them, and are still in there on the second leg.
Ciaran is right that we lacked strength in midfield - but he may not agree (!) that the obvious thing is to put Neville there. There is not enough defensive strength with Arteta and Osman, and Neville / Arteta were a very good partnership last year (Neville breaks up play, shields the defence, and passes it to Arteta). And then Coleman can cause them trouble on the flanks with Donovan. That might also have been a better formation tonight.
Ciaran is right that we lacked strength in midfield - but he may not agree (!) that the obvious thing is to put Neville there. There is not enough defensive strength with Arteta and Osman, and Neville / Arteta were a very good partnership last year (Neville breaks up play, shields the defence, and passes it to Arteta). And then Coleman can cause them trouble on the flanks with Donovan. That might also have been a better formation tonight.
Neil, I agree that the midfield is big on style but lacks steel. Ossie, Arteta, Peanuts and Donovan are thechinically gifted butall wee fellas I felt that the derby slipped away from us after MoFro went off and the same happened for spells tonight. I believe moving Neville into a defensive midfield position and giving Coleman a decent run out would be worthwhile. Sadly I can not see us being able to get to 5th place this year so please DM give Coleman a run.
David, we won yeah, but a scoreline that flattered them?
Man I hope this isn’t going to be another Everton hard luck story. If only we had the big fella...bada bada bada....In my opinion, for what it’s worth, we are good enough to win this competition with that little bit of luck that every good side needs. As for tonight...a wins a win.
Distin is crap week in week out and now this. Fucking unbelievable how a div1 player can keep a place in our side.
Why oh why did we decide to sit back and defend once we went 2-0 up. Yes I accept that its Europe and not conceedimg an away goal is important but they were a poor side and had we just continued to play the same as the previous 50 minutes we would probably have won 3 or 4 nil.
As it was usual DM tactics of sitting deep and inviting the opposition onto us. It gave them all the encouragement they needed and they eventually scored.
As for the goal, yes a poor ball by Rodwell but Distin, well I just despair of him. Thank god he was sent off - at least we wont have to put up with him for the second leg ! All he had to do was put his foot through the ball for gods sake but no, he tries to control the ball when he hadnt done that all night. Then all he had to do was bring the fella down 10 yards outside the area but no he decides to wait until he is in the area to do that - he is a bloody liability and I maintain he is one of the worst centre backs we have had inm recent times.
Still believe we will get through though - we made them look better than they are today and if we play well in Lisbon we will get through.
As it was usual DM tactics of sitting deep and inviting the opposition onto us. It gave them all the encouragement they needed and they eventually scored.
As for the goal, yes a poor ball by Rodwell but Distin, well I just despair of him. Thank god he was sent off - at least we wont have to put up with him for the second leg ! All he had to do was put his foot through the ball for gods sake but no, he tries to control the ball when he hadnt done that all night. Then all he had to do was bring the fella down 10 yards outside the area but no he decides to wait until he is in the area to do that - he is a bloody liability and I maintain he is one of the worst centre backs we have had inm recent times.
Still believe we will get through though - we made them look better than they are today and if we play well in Lisbon we will get through.
It was an absolute twat of a ball from ’St Jack ’ the only problem I have with Distin is that he didnt bring him down outside the box!!
Si, I agree it was a twat of a ball but are you telling me Distin was incapable of just putting his foot through the ball and clearing it. For gods sake he seems to be able to put his foot through the ball when he has plenty of time and space when he resorts to just launching it up to Saha.
Yes shit ball by Rodwell but completely hopeless defending from Distin - he has been a mistake waiting to happen for months and it has finally happened albeit with an assist from Rodwell. Hopefully it wont prove costly and we will learn from tonight that our defenders are simply not good enough to enable us to ’dit’ on a lead.
Yes shit ball by Rodwell but completely hopeless defending from Distin - he has been a mistake waiting to happen for months and it has finally happened albeit with an assist from Rodwell. Hopefully it wont prove costly and we will learn from tonight that our defenders are simply not good enough to enable us to ’dit’ on a lead.
At least we know we have to score in Lisbon,so that straightens out any tactical uncertainty going into the 2nd leg. I say this because our often- praised defence struggles to keep clean sheets these days,and Sporting WILL score.
Re Osman,I don’t agree with the predictably disparaging comments above.The more you watch him closely,the more you realise what an intelligent player he is,and the value he brings to the side..
Finally: A hint of Andy Gray on Steve Sherwood,in Distin’s goal tonight,anyone ? ( one for the children )
Re Osman,I don’t agree with the predictably disparaging comments above.The more you watch him closely,the more you realise what an intelligent player he is,and the value he brings to the side..
Finally: A hint of Andy Gray on Steve Sherwood,in Distin’s goal tonight,anyone ? ( one for the children )
HEY,
WE WON!
Did you watch the game? WE WON IT!!!
For the benifit of the guys who have posted above... we won the game 2-1 and they only scored that goal because of a mistake by one of our players.
by the way...
Ossie had a great game, i saw him make last ditch tackles take on 3 and 4 players, run past people, dummy world class players, look for slide rule passes to put players in and run constantly. I thought he was committed, skillfull and driven tonight. I think with a bit of building up that this guy would be a talisman for us. He obviously has the skill.
Anyway... WE WON THE GAME.
WE WON!
Did you watch the game? WE WON IT!!!
For the benifit of the guys who have posted above... we won the game 2-1 and they only scored that goal because of a mistake by one of our players.
by the way...
Ossie had a great game, i saw him make last ditch tackles take on 3 and 4 players, run past people, dummy world class players, look for slide rule passes to put players in and run constantly. I thought he was committed, skillfull and driven tonight. I think with a bit of building up that this guy would be a talisman for us. He obviously has the skill.
Anyway... WE WON THE GAME.
No we didn’t. We’re 2-1 up at half time, away from home in the 2nd half and having conceded an away goal. Anyone who looks at it any other way is deluding themselves.
Cruising, then shot ourselves in the foot. Again.
Cruising, then shot ourselves in the foot. Again.
If Baines doesn’t get at least a call-up into the England squad after that mesmerizing run in the 1st half... I’m going to boycott Capello’s team. I’m not english so I can actually do that. :)
For the return leg iraqgoals.net streams all premier league, uefa, champions league games. Its free and no sign up.
The away goal is a shame but they have to come at us for the win and their defence looked very weak. Pienaar, Bily, Arteta, Donavan in midfield will cause them plenty of problems on the break.
I think we are still favourites.
I think we are still favourites.
"but he may not agree (!) that the obvious thing is to put Neville there."
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Your right mate..I don’t agree in the slightest - If Neville panicks like he has been doing in right back...just imagine the rabbit in the headlights routine he’d do in such a crucial postion as central midfield..
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Your right mate..I don’t agree in the slightest - If Neville panicks like he has been doing in right back...just imagine the rabbit in the headlights routine he’d do in such a crucial postion as central midfield..
I don’t know what you lot want sometimes I really don’t.
There was nothing in that game that made me fear going to Lisbon for a second leg, whatever the score. The fact that we won makes it all the better. Ok, if we’d have won by the 3 or 4 we should have done, then it would have been easier, but that in itself is an indication of the opposition.
As for blaming Distin - well get off his case, if someone sends you a knee high pass at 300 mph, you can’t just hoof, you have to try and control it first, yes he didn’t do it very well, but it's Rodwell's fault not Distin’s. Distin was only to blame for the penalty, as mentioned, if he was going to bring him down, it would have been better out of the box.
As for some of the other comments, do you think Davey was happy that his team set back, he complained about it in the post-match interviews, but yet you still blame his negative tactics!
Also, there were complaints of a midfield with ’too much style and not enough steel’ — again for those of you who criticise negativity — this was hardly it.
Nobody has mentioned the major key to the dodgy finish, but then they wouldn’t as it doesn’t fit with the argument. Cahill going off and being replaced by Yakubu meant a switch to a genuine 4-4-2 which meant we lost balance and midfield control.
There was nothing in that game that made me fear going to Lisbon for a second leg, whatever the score. The fact that we won makes it all the better. Ok, if we’d have won by the 3 or 4 we should have done, then it would have been easier, but that in itself is an indication of the opposition.
As for blaming Distin - well get off his case, if someone sends you a knee high pass at 300 mph, you can’t just hoof, you have to try and control it first, yes he didn’t do it very well, but it's Rodwell's fault not Distin’s. Distin was only to blame for the penalty, as mentioned, if he was going to bring him down, it would have been better out of the box.
As for some of the other comments, do you think Davey was happy that his team set back, he complained about it in the post-match interviews, but yet you still blame his negative tactics!
Also, there were complaints of a midfield with ’too much style and not enough steel’ — again for those of you who criticise negativity — this was hardly it.
Nobody has mentioned the major key to the dodgy finish, but then they wouldn’t as it doesn’t fit with the argument. Cahill going off and being replaced by Yakubu meant a switch to a genuine 4-4-2 which meant we lost balance and midfield control.
That moment apart I thought Distin did quite well. Rodwell was a fault for me, don't know if he was looking to pass back to Howard but Distin shouldn't have been receiving the ball there — he wasn't expecting it and was flat footed. Cunt of a pass. Osman was excellent, Baines superb and Cahill gave their number 3 a torrid time.
We should still progress, really angry it isn't cut and dried, it should be.
What is it with some of you people do you see a different game to us on your streams?
They never looked like scoring at all until he took Arteta off who was controlling the midfield and keeping possession we were comfortable and Osman and Neville did nothing wrong.
My gripes are we were trying to play like a European team with slow build ups instead of a fast tempo game like we have been doing.
I thought they were rubbish and can see us scoring over at there place, but I will say again Moyes is as just to blame as Distin an Rodwell with his Arteta substitution.
They never looked like scoring at all until he took Arteta off who was controlling the midfield and keeping possession we were comfortable and Osman and Neville did nothing wrong.
My gripes are we were trying to play like a European team with slow build ups instead of a fast tempo game like we have been doing.
I thought they were rubbish and can see us scoring over at there place, but I will say again Moyes is as just to blame as Distin an Rodwell with his Arteta substitution.
Hopefully the players won’t feel quite so dissapointed as us lot. They should take the positives, and go to Lisbon looking to score goals and press them. We need to put them under aerial pressure, and the rewards will come.
Could have easily been 4-1 last night without flattering us.
Could have easily been 4-1 last night without flattering us.
Duncan,
I don’t think people are particularly disappointed - just providing a natural critique of the performance....A win is a win - however the away goal puts a slighly different slant on the result.
Different strokes for different folks..everyone sees the same game - they just interpret it differently...
For instance Mr Gladwell thinks everyone in the ground sees it different from those watching on the box....He thought Neville and Osman did nothing wrong - and appears to think that any contrary opinion is simply down to watching it via a different media...
Needless to say, I think that’s a bit silly.
I don’t think people are particularly disappointed - just providing a natural critique of the performance....A win is a win - however the away goal puts a slighly different slant on the result.
Different strokes for different folks..everyone sees the same game - they just interpret it differently...
For instance Mr Gladwell thinks everyone in the ground sees it different from those watching on the box....He thought Neville and Osman did nothing wrong - and appears to think that any contrary opinion is simply down to watching it via a different media...
Needless to say, I think that’s a bit silly.
No Ciaran I think you sit there day after day infront of your computer slaughtering the likes of Osman and Neville when they played fine, infact Osman was one of our better players but, no matter what these two do, will never make people like you happy whilst you laud the call for Coleman who looks a good prospect but that is all.
Be critical by all means, but when your team over the past four months has been one of the form sides in the country then how about a bit of support instead of witch hunts, which I think is a bit silly.
Sorry Paul, but Neville was one of our worst performers last night.......wait for it.......going forward. he was fine defensively and as an ardent defender of Tony Hibbert and the fact that he is a defender first and foremost, I will afford the same defence to Neville......even though he made me seethe on a number of occasions last night and I am guilty also of shouting at the Yak, "Run for it you lazy fat bastard", however i plead diminished responsibility due to intoxication and the fact we had just conceeded a stupid goal.
Paul,
I analysed what I saw. If you feel the need to heap effusive praise, irrespective of the performance - then feel free to do so.
I analysed what I saw. If you feel the need to heap effusive praise, irrespective of the performance - then feel free to do so.
On a slightly different theme, Sky Sports reporting the rumours we’ve been suspecting for a while
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5955043,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5955043,00.html
The problem with Neville going forward is he needs options. He needs a simple pass to make, and if others disappear, he has to make an optimistic cross. This isn’t always nevilles fault - look at the 1st goal, a great pass by Neville into Cahill. If players make the movements for him he can pass it, otherwise he’s a bit stuck.
The talk in the Gwlady’s was of how well Osman played great last night..His intricate footwork,dribbling,tackling & set piece - earning efforts,underlined an intelligence,combined with a desire to graft for the cause. Essential,given that Mikel is still finding his feet,he put in a great shift.
Was everything he did perfect ? No. Does Lampard has a 100% passing accuracy/ tackling success count every game? No. Nobody does,and not every "play," is flawless. Remove myopia for a second,dispense with quibbling negativity,and view the big picture: He did a lot of good work.
Armchair supporters - don’t you just love em’ !!
Was everything he did perfect ? No. Does Lampard has a 100% passing accuracy/ tackling success count every game? No. Nobody does,and not every "play," is flawless. Remove myopia for a second,dispense with quibbling negativity,and view the big picture: He did a lot of good work.
Armchair supporters - don’t you just love em’ !!
The big picture: An inconsistent performance.
Crap. Big picture: he was one of the best players in a blue shirt. And worked his arse off.
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