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Time for a Supporters Trust?
By Tony I'Anson & Mike Owen : 28/01/2011 : 
Comments (185) :
The worldwide web has been creaking again under the strain of another wave of Evertonian anguish following another disappointing display on the pitch. It's happened before several times. But as soon as we get another good run of results together, the anguish subsides and the sun seems to come out. Comments (185) : If we beat Chelsea on Saturday then get Torquay away in the 5th Round, a lot of discussion will turn to travelling to Devon and what date is the semi-final.
An interesting aspect of Evertonian discussion over the last few years is how a lot more supporters give some more consideration to the finances of the club. Even so, very, very few of us are really clued up on the precise facts and figures.
We believe that supporters should take more interest in this side of things. It is our club. It is what many of us spend a big chunk of our disposable income on.
But we are so interested in what goes on the pitch that, collectively, we fail to pay prolonged attention to what goes on off the pitch, even though the latter has a major impact on the former.
Now, however, a spotlight is increasingly shining on off-the-pitch issues. But exactly what do we want?
And, to pose a question asked many times before, just how much influence can supporters have in these days of big business? Quite a lot of people think that fans can have little effect.
Quite a few at the moment seem to think that fans should push for the removal of the current board. Does that not cause more instability at a crucial part of the season? And who would come in? Ask Portsmouth supporters what they think of that question.
So, do we do nothing? Accept our fate? No. But what then?
How about an Everton supporters group that is here for the long-term? One that does not fade away after a crisis has subsided. One that is open to all supporters, not just shareholders. One that is open to Evertonians in Merseyside, the rest of Britain and overseas. A supporters trust. There are already more than 100 in this country.
What would it do? That would depend on its members. But there are a few of us who have been kicking this idea round for a few months. We were hoping to be able to launch it in a period of relative calm. This may still happen. A win over Chelsea, please.
What would it do though? We have been thinking about this and our suggestion is:
- To act as a forum for supporters to discuss in a calm manner, with facts at hand, the issues and challenges facing Everton Football Club.
- To foster constructive communications between supporters and the people who own and run the Club.
- To encourage a greater degree of share ownership by supporters, through the purchase of shares by the trust.
(Of course, a lot would depend on how many members we had. Some might argue that one share would be enough as that would give the trust the legal rights of a shareholder).
- To support and complement the work of Everton in The Community.
We want to know if enough people are interested. We accept that a lot of Blues will be sceptical, some will deride us. But we are prepared to give it a go if we think we can make some progress.
Importantly, it is not intended as an anti-Kenwright grouping. Nor is it anti-Moyes. Nor Auntie Maureen, as it's not anti-anyone.
We want to work with the people in charge of the club, ask questions, discuss with them, and move forward with the club.
There are many possibilities. If the trust took off, it could become a significant stakeholder in the club, possibly even instrumental in stadium development. That's what we mean about one role being a think-tank.
Some of you will point out how Evertonians have fallen out among themselves in previous initiatives. We are very mindful of that. We believe that the structure of a supporters trust will help, especially as we would expect to have the backing of Supporters Direct, the London-based organisation that advises supporters trusts.
We would also need members to act in a constructive manner. No 'f*** off k******d'. And no expecting instant success, please. This would be a long-term venture. We would also need members to take on tasks in the running of the trust. And we would hope that members with specialist skills would offer their expertise.
Everton's worldwide support base is brimming not just with passion, but cram-packed with people from all walks of life with so much to offer.
If you would be interested in joining, please say so in the responses on this website. We will read them all, say nothing initially, but reflect on them, then respond to the issues raised.
In the meantime, if you are going to the game on Saturday, please ? even if Chelsea go in front ? get behind the team for 90 minutes. A great FA Cup run is a distinct possibility. In the 5th round, there will be no more than 10 Premier League clubs. Come on you Blues!
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Tony Wilson
2 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:21:38
2 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:21:38
Finally, a constructive idea. Good luck gentlemen.
Christopher McCullough
3 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:29:44
3 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:29:44
I would be interested in joining.
Mark Wayman
4 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:31:26
4 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:31:26
Hope this happens. Would be interested.
Adrian Lalor
5 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:48:18
5 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:48:18
As an Irish Toffee I would also be interested in joining
Alex Kociuba
6 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:51:37
6 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:51:37
I would be interested too, good idea.
Hudson Reece
7 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:51:03
7 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:51:03
I'm onboard. I hope it takes off. Ex-Pat USA Toffee.
Howard Don
8 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:49:22
8 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:49:22
A great idea guys and at this time, when so much negativity is flying around, a very constructive proposal. - Count me in.
Alex Kociuba
9 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:52:43
9 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:52:43
I think it would be wise to contact other Everton websites too, otherwise you could be isolating large proportion of the fan base. It would quickly be seen as 'the miserable bastards from Toffeeweb' movement'.
Simon Templeman
11 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:59:03
11 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:59:03
Count me in.
Chris Hannon
12 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:58:13
12 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:58:13
Do it! Count me in!
Mark Borrajeiro
13 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:00:43
13 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:00:43
I'm very interested - live in sa but very very keen
Micheal Lynch
14 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:58:54
14 Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:58:54
yes good idea . def would join
Christopher Anakin
15 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:06:20
15 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:06:20
Count me in!
Paul Maguire
16 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:04:51
16 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:04:51
I'm in. Well done guys.
Charlie Biscotto
17 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:05:39
17 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:05:39
I'm in. I know Yanks don't have the best track record with interfering in the EPL, but how much damage can I do with £2 a month?
Stephen Kenny
19 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:02:33
19 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:02:33
I'm interested and I'd be happy to help in some capacity.
I'm sure you have given it a lot of thought, but I would go for a larger amount per member, per month, something in the region of £5-10.
I'm sure you have given it a lot of thought, but I would go for a larger amount per member, per month, something in the region of £5-10.
Mark Borrajeiro
20 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:00:43
20 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:00:43
I'm very interested - live in sa but very very keen
Jon Cox
21 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:03:40
21 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:03:40
IDI.....(Amin)
Michael Coffey
22 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:09:07
22 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:09:07
I'm in, and so's my wife.
Honarary patron David France?
Honarary patron David France?
Karl Masters
23 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:10:25
23 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:10:25
This is more like it.
Better than driving BK out and getting a Gaydamak or Mike Ashley wreaking havoc.
Good Luck and count me in.
Better than driving BK out and getting a Gaydamak or Mike Ashley wreaking havoc.
Good Luck and count me in.
Mike Green
24 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:07:16
24 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:07:16
I'm definitely in and will also contribute professionally. And unprofessionally if need be. Let's get it on!
Andy Crooks
25 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:10:20
25 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:10:20
Tony and Mike, there are serious problems with this, but.. it's a constructive proposal.Two pounds a month is utterly inadequate, however. How about two pounds a month minimum with no difference made between those who pay £2 and those who pay £100. Each to what he can afford. I reckon and average of £20 a month could result in the gathering of some real power.
I've no doubt there are people who know more than me who will point out the loopholes. Still, there is something there to build on.Good luck.
I've no doubt there are people who know more than me who will point out the loopholes. Still, there is something there to build on.Good luck.
Mark James
27 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:22:33
27 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:22:33
I'm in, good idea and I hope it gets off the ground, willing to offer any help that I can
Mark Smith
28 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:24:43
28 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:24:43
Good idea, I'm in
Austin Heath
29 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:17:44
29 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:17:44
Count me in. Seeing as the fans arent allowed to voice any concerns officially since the AGM ban, it makes sense. This would also catch the eye of the press, which would leave the club no option other than to respond, even if it was just the usual paltitudes, lies and spin. COYB.
Alan Clarke
30 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:19:19
30 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:19:19
I don't think you'd find an evertonian who'd disagree with this idea.
I really don't think you will get anywhere with the club though until Kenwright goes. This is the man that has pretty much shut down all communication with his fellow fans by not allowing AGMs and EGMs. This is the man who told an Evertonian who asked a perfectly reasonable question that he wouldn't answer because he was bored of that question.
Remember also there is no way Kenwright could have lied about Kirkby the way he did if he'd been in talks with a supporters trust. I do think though if this gathers pace, Kenwright will be shown up to be a complete fool if he didn't engage with it.
I really don't think you will get anywhere with the club though until Kenwright goes. This is the man that has pretty much shut down all communication with his fellow fans by not allowing AGMs and EGMs. This is the man who told an Evertonian who asked a perfectly reasonable question that he wouldn't answer because he was bored of that question.
Remember also there is no way Kenwright could have lied about Kirkby the way he did if he'd been in talks with a supporters trust. I do think though if this gathers pace, Kenwright will be shown up to be a complete fool if he didn't engage with it.
David Duignan
31 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:28:31
31 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:28:31
COUNT ME IN
Craig Taylor
32 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
32 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
Works well for Arsenal fans. Make it £3, I would be up for it.
Craig Taylor
33 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
33 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
Works well for Arsenal fans. Make it £3, I would be up for it.
Craig Taylor
34 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
34 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:31:19
Works well for Arsenal fans. Make it £3, I would be up for it.
Col Noon
35 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:35:07
35 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:35:07
Yeah I am very interested in this as I think a few of my fellow Evertonians will be. Keep all of us posted on future developments and I am sure it will gather pace. Good luck gents.
Jon Cox
36 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:37:17
36 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:37:17
Acorns and Oak trees, wonderful idea.
Tony and Mike, what are your thoughts about marketing this venture?
Tony and Mike, what are your thoughts about marketing this venture?
pete lavvaf
37 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:45:20
37 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:45:20
I'm up for that, count me in
Denis Richardson
38 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:48:09
38 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:48:09
I'm in - lets get our club back..........
Col Noon
39 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:35:07
39 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:35:07
Yeah I am very interested in this as I think a few of my fellow Evertonians will be. Keep all of us posted on future developments and I am sure it will gather pace. Good luck gents.
Jay Harris
41 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:40:58
41 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:40:58
You and I have knocked this about before Tony and I think it's a great idea but be aware of the long hours somebody would have to put in for the energy this requires and be prepared for some setbacks and brickbats along the way.
Would also suggest you try to contact Rogan Taylor (I know he's a Red but he's also a scouser and was behind the original supporters trust being set up and also as I have previously mentioned you will find Phil Carter very supportive and helpful.
I personally am more interested in getting Kenwright out of the club rather than making him more accountable because I place more trust in a poisonous snake but if I can be of any help financially or otherwise count me in.
Would also suggest you try to contact Rogan Taylor (I know he's a Red but he's also a scouser and was behind the original supporters trust being set up and also as I have previously mentioned you will find Phil Carter very supportive and helpful.
I personally am more interested in getting Kenwright out of the club rather than making him more accountable because I place more trust in a poisonous snake but if I can be of any help financially or otherwise count me in.
Brian Waring
42 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:48:19
42 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:48:19
So thats £9 from you Craig? Good luck lads.
Brian Waring
43 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:56:02
43 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:56:02
Agree with Jay, I'd rather see Kenwright gone. But as Jay, would be willing to muck in cash wise.
Doug Nestor
44 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:51:20
44 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:51:20
I'm in.............Ex-Pat.........Victoria, Canada.
Roman Sidey
45 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:52:33
45 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:52:33
Michael Coffey, I just want to acknowledge your Life of Brian quote, if that is what you were aiming at. Would hate to see it go unnoticed.
I'm in, providing you can accept foreign currency.
2 conditions though.
1) It's a deocratic process of our goals and actions; and
2) Every cent that goes into the Trust is counted for and available for MEMBERS to view - we don't want to be the proverbial kettle.
I'm in, providing you can accept foreign currency.
2 conditions though.
1) It's a deocratic process of our goals and actions; and
2) Every cent that goes into the Trust is counted for and available for MEMBERS to view - we don't want to be the proverbial kettle.
Tony Hyland
46 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:57:58
46 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:57:58
Please count me in guys, although I do not like to see any Everton fan (BK) in any kind of strife he needs to see the worldwide reaction to his own inaction.
Larry Boner
47 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:53:05
47 Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:53:05
Tony and Mike, good and honest ideas, of course I agree that there must be, what, a million Evertonians worldwide, both rich and poor, who would like to associate themselves with this ?
I am worried, though, that this may be a bit too late, the recession and the Draconian measures being taken by governments all over the world may soon have a serious affect on spectator sports such as football.
Everton and a lot of other clubs are going to see a reduction in their income, from dropping attendance figures, merchandise sales, sponsorship etc.
We may come through this and if we do, then a supporters trust sponsored ground improvement project would be a lasting tribute to the passion and commitment of Evertonians.
I dont think Mr Kenwright and his cronies would argue against it as it would not cost them a penny and abrogate their future responsibilities.
If the board matched the funds raised by the group, then that would really be a step forward for Everton FC, but I would not hold my breath.
Again, I whole heartedly would support anything that gives me and people like me, a say in where this club is going.
PS I see the £2 as a minimum, surely a supporter like Mr Kenwright would want to contribute more !
I am worried, though, that this may be a bit too late, the recession and the Draconian measures being taken by governments all over the world may soon have a serious affect on spectator sports such as football.
Everton and a lot of other clubs are going to see a reduction in their income, from dropping attendance figures, merchandise sales, sponsorship etc.
We may come through this and if we do, then a supporters trust sponsored ground improvement project would be a lasting tribute to the passion and commitment of Evertonians.
I dont think Mr Kenwright and his cronies would argue against it as it would not cost them a penny and abrogate their future responsibilities.
If the board matched the funds raised by the group, then that would really be a step forward for Everton FC, but I would not hold my breath.
Again, I whole heartedly would support anything that gives me and people like me, a say in where this club is going.
PS I see the £2 as a minimum, surely a supporter like Mr Kenwright would want to contribute more !
Chris Jones
48 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:10
48 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:10
I'm in... I'm happy to throw a hundred quid to get the ball rolling. My profession is Public Relations so happy to offer my services.
Brendan Duffy
49 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:51
49 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:51
for sure,im very interested,count me in as well as a few of my irish toffee mates too
John Audsley
50 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:28:44
50 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:28:44
Defo
Like Chris id throw £100 in the ring
Great idea chaps
Like Chris id throw £100 in the ring
Great idea chaps
David Moorcroft
51 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:27:14
51 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:27:14
Fantastic idea,And i and every Evertonian i know would almost definitly subscribe.But like other Evertonians i would much prefer to do it without the man who in my opinion is destroying our club.
Joey Brown
52 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:33:46
52 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:33:46
If it gives the fans any power I'm on board.
David Moorcroft
53 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:27:14
53 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:27:14
Fantastic idea,And i and every Evertonian i know would almost definitly subscribe.But like other Evertonians i would much prefer to do it without the man who in my opinion is destroying our club.
Dennis Stevens
54 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:44
54 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:24:44
I'll be interested to see more meat on the bones, but it's a very interesting & positive proposal, in principle. The club desperately needs radical changes in the Boardroom but this type of set-up could perform a useful role for the long-term benefit of the club regardless of changes to the make up of the Board.
Gerry Morrison
55 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:39:04
55 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:39:04
Count me in.
Chris Sweeney
56 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:34
56 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:34
A great idea that is probably long overdue.
I'd definitely like to be involved.
I'd definitely like to be involved.
Kase Chow
58 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:27
58 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:27
Very very interested-count me in
Am from London and love Everton but feel increasingly saddened and hurt by recent occurrences
Good idea, very constructive: let's make it count
Am from London and love Everton but feel increasingly saddened and hurt by recent occurrences
Good idea, very constructive: let's make it count
Kase Chow
59 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:27
59 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:37:27
Very very interested-count me in
Am from London and love Everton but feel increasingly saddened and hurt by recent occurrences
Good idea, very constructive: let's make it count
Am from London and love Everton but feel increasingly saddened and hurt by recent occurrences
Good idea, very constructive: let's make it count
Colin Prendergast
60 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:50:01
60 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:50:01
good idea and keen to see this progress. but please lets keep the Tom Cannons and Rogan Taylors of this world out of it.
Damien Kennedy
61 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:55:41
61 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:55:41
Yes i would like to be involved too please.
Peter Carew
62 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:55:24
62 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:55:24
Great idea. Was discussing the other day that without fans there is no EPL, yet the fans get abused horribly at times financially, lack of communication not to mention what happens on the pitches. Count me in. Keep it affordable so you get as many young members as possible. Think about pricing later when the mission is more clear. Lets live up to the name "Peoples Club".
John Shaw
63 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:38
63 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:38
Tony and Mike,
Great idea lads, count me in. I'm also happy to give whatever non-monetary assistance I can on top of the £2 per month.
On a seperate note, I wonder if David Prentice column in tonights Echo is the start of a turning tide ?
We shall see.
Great idea lads, count me in. I'm also happy to give whatever non-monetary assistance I can on top of the £2 per month.
On a seperate note, I wonder if David Prentice column in tonights Echo is the start of a turning tide ?
We shall see.
Larry Boner
64 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:25
64 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:25
If you signed up 100,000 members contributing an average £10 per month, well my maths is not that good, but insnt that £12m per year ?
The focus could be on ground improvements only, no monies for players or wages etc, the Trust could progressively upgrade Goodison, increasing attendances, thus generating funds for team building.
Seems simple to me, so if there is a request for subscriptions any time soon, well lets go.
Positivity for Evertonians at last !
The focus could be on ground improvements only, no monies for players or wages etc, the Trust could progressively upgrade Goodison, increasing attendances, thus generating funds for team building.
Seems simple to me, so if there is a request for subscriptions any time soon, well lets go.
Positivity for Evertonians at last !
David S Shaw
66 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:03:58
66 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:03:58
So does it work with an elected spokesperson to bring issues to Everton?
How do you decide what issues get pushed forward?
How do you decide what issues get pushed forward?
Chris Quinn
67 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:48
67 Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:56:48
First time I've ever posted but that's how strong I, and I'm sure many of my fellow supporters feel about the current situation of the club we love!! All we want is more transparency between the club and the fans. As someone else previously pointed out, it is our hard earned money that we put into the club, yet we cant all be the chairman. Instead we put our faith in others who we believe will do right by us! Now I'm not trying to open a can of worms (too many other posts pointing fingers of blame) so I'll finish off by saying you guys have my 100% backing....it's time to put the People's Club, even if it's only a small portion, into the hands of the People who love it the most!! Me, you and anyone else who reads these posts, because let's face it, if your still reading this at the bottom of the page.....that's how much you love everton and your fellow fans! Your in my heart.....
Justin Packett
68 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:17:27
68 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:17:27
sounds good to me!
John Shaw
69 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:18:07
69 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:18:07
David (60) - I think the original post by Tony and Mike is clear that this is just the beginning to gauge whether or not there is enough support to take the idea forward. They will keep us informed as and when things develop.
Martin Faulkner
70 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:15:29
70 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:15:29
I'd be in it.
My profession is piping so I could advise on all the pipes..................
Maybe not
My profession is piping so I could advise on all the pipes..................
Maybe not
John Shaw
71 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:26:46
71 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:26:46
Martin (64) - good shout, I'm sure you'd be able to advise how to prevent having to cancel any more Boxing Day games though !!! ha ha ha
David Moore
72 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:30:37
72 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:30:37
I'd be very interested, lets keep this forum constructive, beacuse at 66 posts, it oddly still is.
Andrew Bankes
73 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:32:43
73 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:32:43
Great idea chaps. I'd be up for it!
Col Noon
74 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:34:24
74 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:34:24
I am liking this a lot, it seems as if this could provide much needed unity and togetherness that we need. Obviously you guys do not need me to tell you that a hell of a lot of time and effort will be required but with eveyones support and commitment there is no reason why it cannot provide a platform for the fans to have a say or at least know what is going on with the club. Apart from wanting Bill and his buffons out having some if only minimal input into the club is what I think (and many others) is needed.
David Hinchliff
75 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:37:21
75 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:37:21
A genuinely interesting idea that's probably long overdue. Couldn't agree more with Chris (61), as a first time poster, the current state of things at or beloved club has me worried enough to venture into cyberspace for the first time and I would be happy to join in...
Alan Clarke
76 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:41:02
76 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:41:02
Another suggestion, I'm willing to contribute next season's season ticket money to this instead of giving it to Kenwright. I would implore others who aren't renewing their ticket to do the same.
Gavin Ramejkis
77 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:50:43
77 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:50:43
A very admirable idea but haven't previous attempts fallen on their own swords with infighting?
Kunal Desai
78 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:42:33
78 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:42:33
I like the idea. Count me in.
James Taylor
79 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:45:52
79 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:45:52
Good Idea, count me in
Ross Keeley
80 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:54:08
80 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:54:08
Count me in too
Dale Hathaway
81 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:51:10
81 Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:51:10
First and foremost, no matter what happens on Saturday we must sing our hearts our on Saturday during the game. Save the anti BK/ DM for after the game. Lets take the roof off Goodison Park!!!
I am more than happy to join this movement. Perhaps we could even find the 'investment' that old Billy boy has been searching for (in the longer term).
I would be delighted to offer my services to the cause too, I would help in any way to improve my beloved EFC!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
I am more than happy to join this movement. Perhaps we could even find the 'investment' that old Billy boy has been searching for (in the longer term).
I would be delighted to offer my services to the cause too, I would help in any way to improve my beloved EFC!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
John Littler
82 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:00:47
82 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:00:47
I'd be up for this.
Jim Percival
83 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:08:16
83 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:08:16
Sounds like a plan to me - count me in too.
Look forward to hearing soon what your plans are for taking this forward.
Look forward to hearing soon what your plans are for taking this forward.
jim jones
84 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:11:23
84 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:11:23
Type or paste your comment here. No txt-speak, please try to use proper grammar, all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
jim jones
85 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:12:35
85 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:12:35
Sorry,not posted before, Tony and Mike,great idea,fully behind you. One problem, who are you? Would suggest you(we) get some big names aboard. What about Sharpy to kind off legit the thing and then other more noticeable blues to give it some creadence. Just want to make sure this is not a gang of lads who have no idea how to run this proffessionaly. But with you 100%,coyb.
Dave Richman
86 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:20:21
86 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:20:21
Lets have a go.... one more here
Paul Colley
87 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:11:05
87 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:11:05
Am definitely in favour of this initiative. Is there a link to a model supporters trust 'constitution' that could be posted so we can have a look at what form the governing document would be likely to take?
I'm particularly interested to know if the standard model has a single class of membership and if the payment of subs is an absolute requirement. I would pay a monthly or annual sub myself, but it would be great to have something which was as inclusive as possible (e.g. we might get 10,000 paying subscribers but 100,000 total registered supporters).
Can we invite someone from the Supporters Trust to post here - and possibly even set up some kind of Q&A arrangement?
Can we have some kind of information in the form of case studies as to the different levels of involvement that have been achieved at different clubs; maybe some kind of stats on differing levels of membership, funds raised, projects undertaken, etc. Presumably there isn't a 'one size fits all' Supporters Trust.
Can we hear about worst case scenarios - what has happened in situations where a club has been unco-operative or inimical to the idea of an ST? What are the realistic limits of expectation in such a scenario?
Look forward to hearing more about this and would be willing to get involved practically too - although poor health and living in Yorkshire would mean it would probably have to be something that could be done from home/online.
Thanks guys for getting the ball rolling.
I'm particularly interested to know if the standard model has a single class of membership and if the payment of subs is an absolute requirement. I would pay a monthly or annual sub myself, but it would be great to have something which was as inclusive as possible (e.g. we might get 10,000 paying subscribers but 100,000 total registered supporters).
Can we invite someone from the Supporters Trust to post here - and possibly even set up some kind of Q&A arrangement?
Can we have some kind of information in the form of case studies as to the different levels of involvement that have been achieved at different clubs; maybe some kind of stats on differing levels of membership, funds raised, projects undertaken, etc. Presumably there isn't a 'one size fits all' Supporters Trust.
Can we hear about worst case scenarios - what has happened in situations where a club has been unco-operative or inimical to the idea of an ST? What are the realistic limits of expectation in such a scenario?
Look forward to hearing more about this and would be willing to get involved practically too - although poor health and living in Yorkshire would mean it would probably have to be something that could be done from home/online.
Thanks guys for getting the ball rolling.
Mike Prendergast
88 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:18:23
88 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:18:23
I am In.
Ian Smitham
89 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:48:12
89 Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:48:12
In my time i have never seen such a positive response to an article like this on here. Well done.
Further, i read on here a few days ago some idiot saying that it's not our role to find solutions to issues but just to moan/groan and highlight problems (we all know about). (Cant find thread)
Not sure if this is a good plan but it is an idea, something positive, a dream we may have and for that, i give up my full support.
Well done guys and keep up the good work.
Send me the Direct Debit form
Further, i read on here a few days ago some idiot saying that it's not our role to find solutions to issues but just to moan/groan and highlight problems (we all know about). (Cant find thread)
Not sure if this is a good plan but it is an idea, something positive, a dream we may have and for that, i give up my full support.
Well done guys and keep up the good work.
Send me the Direct Debit form
Lee Jamieson
90 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:12:20
90 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:12:20
If the money went to develop the club or ground count me in. Kenwright doesnt have the money so lets find it for him!!!!!
John Roberts
91 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:41:58
91 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:41:58
I'm in ...
Steven Sturm
92 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:47:19
92 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:47:19
I'm in. Great idea.
Mike Brevet
93 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:50:01
93 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:50:01
Sounds like something worth considering. I'd certainly be interested in participating.
Aiden Doyle
94 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:48:57
94 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:48:57
Nice to see somebody taking a constructive approach. I'd need to consider the details before saying that I'm 100% committed, but you've certainly got my attention.
Kevin Batters
95 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:55:18
95 Posted 29/01/2011 at 00:55:18
Sounds like a fair idea to me and keeps me more in touch with the club. Tough to catch a lot of games here in Anchorage but will be up early for the cup! put me down for joining.
Tony Beal
96 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:01:23
96 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:01:23
Yes please.............. I'm definately in....... fed up of taking the passive approach and waiting for investment to fall on our lap......... this is certainly the most assertive thing we can do as the collective group (family?) ....... and who knows where it might lead us to....... potential investors viewing this as 'risk spreading asset' and making us more attractive to serious sporting investment groups? I think so...... Everton have been the pioneers of so many things in football.........nothing needs to change with this idea..... perhaps its time to write our chapter in the Everton history books?
Everton forever....... are we on our way together?..........NSNO
P.S - I'm up for chucking a few more quid to the pot each month too and would love to help in anyway possible.
Everton forever....... are we on our way together?..........NSNO
P.S - I'm up for chucking a few more quid to the pot each month too and would love to help in anyway possible.
Tom Hughes
97 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:29:51
97 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:29:51
A great idea..... best of luck, please count me in!!!
Hope the hundreds of thousands of blues around the world will rally to the call.
Hope the hundreds of thousands of blues around the world will rally to the call.
David Hallwood
98 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:50:43
98 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:50:43
Great idea, £100 initial fee £5-10 a month
Garry Corgan
99 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:52:16
99 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:52:16
As a cynical sod I'll wait for this to get off the ground ... then throw my hat in.
Of course, these things don't get off the ground on there own. Let me/us know what we can do to assist and you've got my time and attention.
Of course, these things don't get off the ground on there own. Let me/us know what we can do to assist and you've got my time and attention.
James Ozminskyj
100 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:52:23
100 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:52:23
Sounds like a great idea. I'd definitely be interested in joining. NSNO!
Bill Goodall
101 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:58:16
101 Posted 29/01/2011 at 01:58:16
Count me in from Australia, def think a joining fee to start would be good to get the ball rolling and then a monthly amount.
Kevin Fitzsimons
102 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:38:47
102 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:38:47
Good Luck with this Lads, Count me in
Kevin Fitzsimons
103 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:39:31
103 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:39:31
Hey Bill (95) Where in Oz, I'm out here in Brisbane for the next few years so relying on the likes of TW more and more to stay in touch
Laurie Hartley
104 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:26:06
104 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:26:06
I think this is a great idea. Living in Australia now but would be happy to chuck $100 in to start and $10 month thereafter. I like the idea of £2 entrance and monthly fee - it lets people who are skint but care be part of if it.
If there is a lawyer among us a constitution and code of conduct for members would be good. Also we should have a mission statement.
If there is a lawyer among us a constitution and code of conduct for members would be good. Also we should have a mission statement.
David Barks
105 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:49:49
105 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:49:49
Sign me up. The site has my contact info and has permission to pass it along. Also, I'd be willing to pay a bit more than that personally. Sounds great.
Thomas Williams
106 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:51:03
106 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:51:03
All the way from Florida and I'm in, would also suggest the representative whoever that maybe, approach the players and ask them all for 100 quid a month, we'll see then who really cares!! KEIOC, although I didn't agree with all they did on DK, have a nice infrastucture to their cause already started, involving them would solve alot of the hassles getting up and running generally causes. Be interesting to see if it takes off, if any directors or the David McAllum(invisible man) chairman chips in as well.
James I'Anson
107 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:58:53
107 Posted 29/01/2011 at 02:58:53
I'll give 1 £1.99 and not a penny more.
Derek Thomas
108 Posted 29/01/2011 at 03:27:46
108 Posted 29/01/2011 at 03:27:46
Make it a minimum 10GBP per month, =aprrox $16 US,AU,CAN, $20 NZ. no max. but with the proviso no matter how much you can afford, should it be required, you only have ONE vote.
We all know our history, Football, National and World, well bits of it. And to me there are parallels between our situation, on a different scale of course and the No taxation without representation of Pre Rev. America.
In this day and age it shouldn't be too hard, ( what do I know with my blind faith and it must be said ignorance in modern i- technology ?) To Set up an i-Continental Congress to thrash out our 2011 i-Constitution.
There must be also opportunities for spreading the word/cross pollination with other sitesand maybe that Facebook E.F.C. thing, if it evergot off the ground.
We must indeed all hang together,or, most assuredly, we shall all hang seperately...in the championship.
We all know our history, Football, National and World, well bits of it. And to me there are parallels between our situation, on a different scale of course and the No taxation without representation of Pre Rev. America.
In this day and age it shouldn't be too hard, ( what do I know with my blind faith and it must be said ignorance in modern i- technology ?) To Set up an i-Continental Congress to thrash out our 2011 i-Constitution.
There must be also opportunities for spreading the word/cross pollination with other sitesand maybe that Facebook E.F.C. thing, if it evergot off the ground.
We must indeed all hang together,or, most assuredly, we shall all hang seperately...in the championship.
Roman Sidey
109 Posted 29/01/2011 at 05:03:54
109 Posted 29/01/2011 at 05:03:54
Such a great response. Finally we all have something we can repsond to without chewing each other out. I think a sign up fee of 100 quid that has been thrown out though is a bad idea, only in that it is a lot of money for a lot of fans to fork out at first. At first the 2pound/month seemed good, but even 10 wouldn't be out of the question. Just think that the initial fee would discourage some people who have families to feed and their own mortgages to pay back.
Let's make sure we do the opposite of what the board is doing now, starting with not alienating people.
Cannot wait.
Let's make sure we do the opposite of what the board is doing now, starting with not alienating people.
Cannot wait.
Garry Bennett
110 Posted 29/01/2011 at 06:50:46
110 Posted 29/01/2011 at 06:50:46
Gentlemen, a fine idea, generally I do not post, as I don?t like to get embroiled in the arguments that usually develop from the main thread of an article, as I think in doing so, it deflects from what the original poster has voiced with regards to their concerns for our club. I think that this is the first time on TW, where everyone is in unison and is on board with the idea.
Likewise, I believe that this is a positive step forwards for the fans, the ones who truly care, pay their money each week and suffer the pain and anguish as they watch the club slide into decline.
I would be interested in joining and paying the fees/subs that is decided, like many others, I would willingly pay £100 if it helped to improve our voice and influence with the board. I have a major question though, how do we prevent the money going in to Bill?s pocket? I mean indirectly. For instance, if monies were put forward to ground improvements, does this not benefit Bill in the long run when he comes to sell? Are we not doing his home improvements for him in order for him to get a better price? As I am loathe to give that man anymore of my money, either directly or indirectly.
Just a thought/consideration, Like many people who have posted on here, I am a blue, have been all my life and will be to the day I die, we have watched our club have its ups and downs, felt the joy and the pain, this may be the opportunity to lessen that pain and the frequency that it occurs.
Likewise, I believe that this is a positive step forwards for the fans, the ones who truly care, pay their money each week and suffer the pain and anguish as they watch the club slide into decline.
I would be interested in joining and paying the fees/subs that is decided, like many others, I would willingly pay £100 if it helped to improve our voice and influence with the board. I have a major question though, how do we prevent the money going in to Bill?s pocket? I mean indirectly. For instance, if monies were put forward to ground improvements, does this not benefit Bill in the long run when he comes to sell? Are we not doing his home improvements for him in order for him to get a better price? As I am loathe to give that man anymore of my money, either directly or indirectly.
Just a thought/consideration, Like many people who have posted on here, I am a blue, have been all my life and will be to the day I die, we have watched our club have its ups and downs, felt the joy and the pain, this may be the opportunity to lessen that pain and the frequency that it occurs.
Jip Foster
111 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:10:50
111 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:10:50
I'm in from the Top End of Australia.
Victor Johnson
112 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:21:21
112 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:21:21
If it's a transparent & focused operation,from a sound constutitional framework - I'm in.
Greg Anderson
113 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:21:29
113 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:21:29
I'd be in too, from the bottom end of Ohio (a lot of competition for this title here, sadly).
Matthew Lovekin
114 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:15:01
114 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:15:01
Great idea! Can I suggest you read my Fan Article 'Everton v Barcelona' posted recently? It has a similar idea. £10 per month, 100,000 members, £12m per season. Money should be used for running the trust and buying shares.
I'm not neccessarily against Moyes or Kenwright, but pro Everton. I want to see the best for Everton and get them moving forward. We are supposed to be the People's Club and this is the best way to do it.
If/When the Trust get enough shares to have a say on the Board or take over, we will have that £12m per season and can collections donations from Evertonians, Granchester, Leahy, McCartney, John Parrott!!! Anyone.
However, it would need a rigid structure, it's own website with registration PIN numbers, etc. Who can register? You can't discriminate against someone who lives in Australia with 4 kids on low income. They might be more fanatical about Everton than a single man in Liverpool. Who decides who registers?
Only constructive ideas and views. Agree with you about no f**k off statements. I've always been a constructive and positive person, read my Fan Articles. I just want what is best for the Club, and this is certainly a good idea, done in the right way.
I'm not neccessarily against Moyes or Kenwright, but pro Everton. I want to see the best for Everton and get them moving forward. We are supposed to be the People's Club and this is the best way to do it.
If/When the Trust get enough shares to have a say on the Board or take over, we will have that £12m per season and can collections donations from Evertonians, Granchester, Leahy, McCartney, John Parrott!!! Anyone.
However, it would need a rigid structure, it's own website with registration PIN numbers, etc. Who can register? You can't discriminate against someone who lives in Australia with 4 kids on low income. They might be more fanatical about Everton than a single man in Liverpool. Who decides who registers?
Only constructive ideas and views. Agree with you about no f**k off statements. I've always been a constructive and positive person, read my Fan Articles. I just want what is best for the Club, and this is certainly a good idea, done in the right way.
Dickie Langley
115 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:27:03
115 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:27:03
I'm in too - joining fee sounds ok, but should be £10 or so. Could also gauge support for this idea by setting up a facebook group - which would be a handy forum for news/q+a/etc..
Ged Simpson
116 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:24:46
116 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:24:46
I'm in.
Keep the minimum contribution low for fans who have little or no money.
Set a very low rate (£1 pm) for junior members (the future).
And be sure it has tight rules to avoid squabbling.
Look..........I am post 105. At £10 pm you'd have £12,600 from just this thread !
Michael - need a voting button of some sort on the site for this ?
Keep the minimum contribution low for fans who have little or no money.
Set a very low rate (£1 pm) for junior members (the future).
And be sure it has tight rules to avoid squabbling.
Look..........I am post 105. At £10 pm you'd have £12,600 from just this thread !
Michael - need a voting button of some sort on the site for this ?
Erik Dols
117 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:53:25
117 Posted 29/01/2011 at 07:53:25
I'd be interested.
Stephen Hodgson
118 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:25:03
118 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:25:03
Im in, Good luck
Tony Cheek
119 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:29:35
119 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:29:35
Great Idea.... with you all the way!!
PAUL ASHCROFT
120 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:36:39
120 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:36:39
Type or paste your comment here. No txt-speak, please try to use proper grammar, all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
PAUL ASHCROFT
121 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:37:05
121 Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:37:05
do it
Martyn Noble
122 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:20:05
122 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:20:05
good idea, im in
Steve Guy
123 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:13:16
123 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:13:16
Got to be worth a go. I agree with posters who say it might be difficult to get BK to engage, but also agree that in the end he'll have to, as he will just look like more pathetic and isolated if he doesn't.
The constitution of this will be important and it probably goes without saying that, how people's money is spent will have to be very auditable for your own sakes. Said it anyway.
Can we just make sure we don't go down the "Spirit of Shankly" road to nausea or the odd coloured scarf route
The constitution of this will be important and it probably goes without saying that, how people's money is spent will have to be very auditable for your own sakes. Said it anyway.
Can we just make sure we don't go down the "Spirit of Shankly" road to nausea or the odd coloured scarf route
Graham Atherton
124 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:33:07
124 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:33:07
A better way to gauge interest rather than just list people interested here might be to record statements of intent in a database.
Once you have a few thousand expressing firm interest then you might have an idea that has a chance of coming to something.
It happens that databases are part of my business - give me a shout if you want me to get involved
Once you have a few thousand expressing firm interest then you might have an idea that has a chance of coming to something.
It happens that databases are part of my business - give me a shout if you want me to get involved
Gary Mills
125 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:40:33
125 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:40:33
Great idea guys. An opportunity to make a difference, without just paying these ridiculous high wages in gate money. I agree with Larry no.59. A one off joining fee to build a share base, that will never be sold. Then a subscription, used for constructive progress like ground building, community work, player purchases and more. Not sure what a south London plumber can offer to the cause though. COYB
Tony Waring
126 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:53:45
126 Posted 29/01/2011 at 09:53:45
I'm in also. Think £10 per month would be more realistic; after all that's only about 3 pints where I live. Where can we hire a big enough place to hold the inaugural meeting ?
Robert Elliott
127 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:26:24
127 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:26:24
Great idea guys, count me in. About time something positive was done to move this great, great football club back to where it belongs.
Jim Hourigan
128 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:36:11
128 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:36:11
Great idea - I'll help in any way I can.
Chris Jones
129 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:42:44
129 Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:42:44
I'm excited by this. £10 per month. £100 to join. One member one vote. Junior members £10 one off fee until they turn 18?
Mark Hindley
131 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:05:41
131 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:05:41
Put it into action as soon as possible. I am an ex-pat living in Germany and can only say if it´s done professionally I´m in. Take a look at the way Bayern Münich have handled this with their club members.
Paul Gorton
132 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:46:58
132 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:46:58
Excellent idea - count me in - happy to help any way I can
Bill Goodall
133 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:47:24
133 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:47:24
Kevin 97, Adelaide mate, one an ever growing band of Blues in oz.
Mark Boulle
134 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:49:17
134 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:49:17
Good job Tony and Mike.
I'm based in London currently practising as a corporate lawyer. I'd like to offer any assistance I can both financially and potentially in the legal field if needed.
I'm based in London currently practising as a corporate lawyer. I'd like to offer any assistance I can both financially and potentially in the legal field if needed.
Mike Rourke
135 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:58:41
135 Posted 29/01/2011 at 11:58:41
I'm in.
Adam Cunliffe
136 Posted 29/01/2011 at 12:00:31
136 Posted 29/01/2011 at 12:00:31
I'd love to get invovled with this, sounds like a great idea. One thing I would say is that as a 16 year old sixth form student, naturally I'd be unable to contribute the same amounts of money to the cause as much as a member with a full-time career, so therefore all individual contibutions should not be up for discussion. Would be more than willing to contribute what I can though.
Also I'm an English Language student, and would LOVE to help out in any way possible in terms of producing leaflets etc but even if it's making cups of tea at meetings I'd still be more than happy. Really feel like something's going to change!!
Also I'm an English Language student, and would LOVE to help out in any way possible in terms of producing leaflets etc but even if it's making cups of tea at meetings I'd still be more than happy. Really feel like something's going to change!!
ian tocher
137 Posted 29/01/2011 at 13:43:23
137 Posted 29/01/2011 at 13:43:23
count me in
Gerard Loomey
138 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:00:15
138 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:00:15
Please Count me in!
Steve Hili
139 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:24:05
139 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:24:05
Yes! brilliant idea Count me in
Kevin Dillon
140 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:32:53
140 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:32:53
This thread is like the most positive episode of dragons den ever!!!
I cant knock the sentiments of the idea at all, I'll be watching for developments.
Oh and for the record...."I'm in!!"
I cant knock the sentiments of the idea at all, I'll be watching for developments.
Oh and for the record...."I'm in!!"
Michael Hegarty
141 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:44:56
141 Posted 29/01/2011 at 14:44:56
I'm in. Make the suggested joining fee £100 optional. £10 per month subs with proceeds used to buy shares/Improve Goodison. All sounds good.
I'm sure Bill would work with the trust. Whatever anyone says about him he loves the club as much as any of us and he wouldn't turn down the chance to make it stronger.
I'm sure Bill would work with the trust. Whatever anyone says about him he loves the club as much as any of us and he wouldn't turn down the chance to make it stronger.
Andy Doyle
142 Posted 29/01/2011 at 15:05:32
142 Posted 29/01/2011 at 15:05:32
Count me in
Larry Boner
143 Posted 29/01/2011 at 16:01:33
143 Posted 29/01/2011 at 16:01:33
Come up with a attractive name, get David France involved as previously mentioned and people like Alex Young, who never earned a bean out of the sport, to be honorary members, we could set a precedent, not dissimilar to Barca, but 130 odd years down the line instead of at the clubs inception.
There must be some communication guys out there who can get the TV coverage that the reds got for their campaign?
I am reborn, what are we waiting for?
Nelaj Behajiha
144 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:32:08
144 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:32:08
Why can't we have a supporters group that organises travel to away games like Spirit Of Shankly do. This is where SOS get their money from as membership come with priveleges such as cheap travel to away games. They have organised coaches to london clubs for around £20 which is really good. I know it seems only a small issue but I'd love for that issue to be resolved.
Mike Allison
145 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:28:43
145 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:28:43
I'd definitely be involved in something like this and be happy to put in my money in as long as I was able to track how it was being used. I've got reservations over how it would actually work, and how the communications and democratic processes could be truly representative, but its got to be worth trying. And besides, anything's better than the current situation, where every other club seems to be able to do things that we can't do and no-one really knows why. We sell Pienaar and immediately say we can't spend the money? At least tell us why.
Mike Allison
146 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:40:08
146 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:40:08
Nelaj doesn't their cheap travel to London clubs just mean using their Oyster cards?!
John Crawley
147 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:52:56
147 Posted 29/01/2011 at 17:52:56
Why can't we do an English version of Barcelona? So I say a massive Yes. Give people the option to pay different amounts suggest £10 per month but set the minimum at £2 so everyone can join. I would also be interested in providing any help you guys want/need to get this off the ground. I think it's the way forward BUT I think point 3 is where we should focus our energies/money.
Vijay Nair
148 Posted 29/01/2011 at 18:52:44
148 Posted 29/01/2011 at 18:52:44
Count me in..
Singapore born, based in Melbourne for the last 10 years, but happy to do my part for the club I've supported for 26 years..
Singapore born, based in Melbourne for the last 10 years, but happy to do my part for the club I've supported for 26 years..
Richard Whittall
149 Posted 29/01/2011 at 20:48:49
149 Posted 29/01/2011 at 20:48:49
Count me in.
Totally frustrated and saddened by recent events and claims we are totally broke when we play in the richest league in the world, have a comparitively low wages-to-income ratio compared to the rest of the Premier League, made massive profits in the transfer market on Rooney, Jeffers, Ball, Lescott, Johnson among others... and to top it all an average crowd of 35,000 at every game which must generate a million pounds plus including money spent on matchday.
I find it difficult to believe Kenwright and his claims of the cupboard being bare. Also, every interview I have ever read from players who have played for us always mention the high regard they have for the toffees and our supporters... Contact them and get them on board ? it's the very least they could do in return for the support we gave them in their time in Royal Blue, as I'm sure every player has left Everton financially far better off than when they joined ? and this, as always, is down to the fans. COYB.
Simon Temme
150 Posted 29/01/2011 at 21:37:33
150 Posted 29/01/2011 at 21:37:33
Sounds very promising guys, well done.
As a lot of posters have said here, there needs to be a few things in place:
Minimun subscription rates - £2 rising depending on circumstance.
A single vote for every member regardless of subscription fee.
Complete transparancy in all aspects.
A full internet/email campaign (won't take you long) to generate heat and support from fellow blues.
I am in......Dear Toffeeweb staffers it would be great to get behind this or at least give it some air.
Well done again guys, good luck.
As a lot of posters have said here, there needs to be a few things in place:
Minimun subscription rates - £2 rising depending on circumstance.
A single vote for every member regardless of subscription fee.
Complete transparancy in all aspects.
A full internet/email campaign (won't take you long) to generate heat and support from fellow blues.
I am in......Dear Toffeeweb staffers it would be great to get behind this or at least give it some air.
Well done again guys, good luck.
Rob Brown
151 Posted 30/01/2011 at 02:12:42
151 Posted 30/01/2011 at 02:12:42
I think hat it is really good idea. Barcelona one of the worlds biggest club is run by a supporters trust. But we can't forget that Bill Kenwright and David Moyes have done brilliantly on the budget we've had over the lastcouple of years.
Eric Myles
152 Posted 30/01/2011 at 03:44:42
152 Posted 30/01/2011 at 03:44:42
As I said when John Hughes first proposed this 2 years ago I'm in although living in Thailand can only join financially.
Didn't you set up a website then Tony? Peoples Stadium Trust or something?
What happened, and how can you be sure it won't fizzle out again this time round?
Didn't you set up a website then Tony? Peoples Stadium Trust or something?
What happened, and how can you be sure it won't fizzle out again this time round?
Rob Pendleton
153 Posted 30/01/2011 at 06:49:12
153 Posted 30/01/2011 at 06:49:12
Great idea. I'm in ....
Perth, Western Australia
Perth, Western Australia
Brian Williams
154 Posted 30/01/2011 at 09:18:26
154 Posted 30/01/2011 at 09:18:26
Anything that could improve the present situation MUST be worth considering. There'll be those who will think the people suggesting it are in it for themselves, to make money etc.... I'm willing to take a chance on that. I'd love to be a part of the "rebirth."
What we need is thousands of Evertonians to join, not hundreds. We need, at least, nationwide exposure, and we need some "professional" Everton supporters to get onboard. I'm sure there must be solicitors etc who support Everton.
I personally would suggest a much higher figure than £2 a month. You could quadruple that and people still wouldn't miss it... think about it. £2.50 a week!!!!!
I'll be honest I'm a sceptic... but I'm still prepared to get onboard because the possibilities versus "not a lot" per month are worth it. I'm sick of our great club going nowhere, treading water.
Brian Williams
155 Posted 30/01/2011 at 09:33:26
155 Posted 30/01/2011 at 09:33:26
...and I know £2.50 a week isn't "quadruple" £2 a month!
Carolyn Hayre
156 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:47:28
156 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:47:28
I would like to see the mission statement/agreement before committing 100%, but in theory count me in. My background is in risk assessment for financial services/insurance; multi-million pound cases so could help with financial analysis if needed. We could do with more qualified professionals stepping forward and offering help with legal/marketing/accounting aspects.
Owen De Asha
157 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:49:18
157 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:49:18
I really feel this is a BIG step in the right direction. For years now we go the game, return (more often than not) frustrated and vent our frustions out on TW, saying "if only..." and "what if..."
Well this is our chance to actually stand up and, literally, put our money where our mouth is.
Well this is our chance to actually stand up and, literally, put our money where our mouth is.
I read this article a couple of days ago, and relayed the info to my mates in the pub, and we all agreed that £2 p/month is nothing to us (I know that's not the case for everyone) and that there should be no limit to how much people can give per month. The only thing we'd all have to take on board is that person A who gives £2 a month is just as important as person B who gives £20 a month.
"If you know you're history" ? it's pretty sad now that kids sing this and a lot of them don't know our club's history. Let's sort it out.
Thomas Owen
158 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:50:47
158 Posted 30/01/2011 at 12:50:47
A great idea if it is going to be run properly by people who have the club's and fans' interests put first. Count me in!
Steve Fletcher
159 Posted 30/01/2011 at 13:35:44
159 Posted 30/01/2011 at 13:35:44
As has been mentioned, there are so caveats/obstacles to getting this type of thing up and running BUT I really believe Everton are at a crosssroads at the moment. Something needs to happen to make other things happen in the boardroom ? this could be it. Count me in and good luck guys.
Dave Brooks
160 Posted 30/01/2011 at 14:48:44
160 Posted 30/01/2011 at 14:48:44
This is my first post, other than a recent mailbag request for information on accessible seats for disabled supporters.
I read Tom Davies? WSC article ?Sharp end (clubs in crisis)? with great interest recently and was genuinely surprised and pleased that supporters appear, increasingly, to be getting involved in the decision making processes which decide their clubs? destinies on and off the park.
I like your proposal. If it becomes concrete and takes a form that I could approve of (many factors have an influence here including the Trust?s mission, financial structure and ethical code), I would:
- Join and pay a membership and monthly fee.
- Pledge a set amount of time per week/month to provide whatever services I can free of charge to the Trust. I?ve had a pretty varied career and have experience in a lot of fields. I?d be happy to just send you my CV and go from there.
In the meantime, if you take the idea further, I?d be more than happy to contribute to other more specific forums which might help develop your ideas. I visit ToffeeWeb several times a week. I?ll keep an eye on where this goes.
Good luck.
I read Tom Davies? WSC article ?Sharp end (clubs in crisis)? with great interest recently and was genuinely surprised and pleased that supporters appear, increasingly, to be getting involved in the decision making processes which decide their clubs? destinies on and off the park.
I like your proposal. If it becomes concrete and takes a form that I could approve of (many factors have an influence here including the Trust?s mission, financial structure and ethical code), I would:
- Join and pay a membership and monthly fee.
- Pledge a set amount of time per week/month to provide whatever services I can free of charge to the Trust. I?ve had a pretty varied career and have experience in a lot of fields. I?d be happy to just send you my CV and go from there.
In the meantime, if you take the idea further, I?d be more than happy to contribute to other more specific forums which might help develop your ideas. I visit ToffeeWeb several times a week. I?ll keep an eye on where this goes.
Good luck.
Paul Colley
161 Posted 30/01/2011 at 16:03:54
161 Posted 30/01/2011 at 16:03:54
Can we make sure this thread is bumped or better still 'stickied' to keep it on the home page?
Peter Mitchell
162 Posted 30/01/2011 at 16:47:45
162 Posted 30/01/2011 at 16:47:45
Yes please!
Tommy Davis
163 Posted 30/01/2011 at 18:34:50
163 Posted 30/01/2011 at 18:34:50
Count me in Tony & Mike, I think it is a brilliant idea! Being an ex-pat, I asked several other Bluenoses over here in the States and got the same response, an emphatic thumbs up! With Paypal being the forum, there isn't a problem with foreign currencies either!
Good luck lads and let's get our club back where it belongs......."The People's Club"
Good luck lads and let's get our club back where it belongs......."The People's Club"
Dave Vickers
165 Posted 30/01/2011 at 21:36:53
165 Posted 30/01/2011 at 21:36:53
I´m in. Also happy to chuck some in for the set up costs.
Well done Tony and Mike
Well done Tony and Mike
Nick Waters
166 Posted 30/01/2011 at 21:36:55
166 Posted 30/01/2011 at 21:36:55
A genuinely exciting proposal. People have already mentioned Barca, and don't forget the Green Bay Packers in NFL - Superbowl finalists again and real pride and a stake in them from their fans.
Put my name down.
Put my name down.
Jim Lloyd
168 Posted 30/01/2011 at 23:35:08
168 Posted 30/01/2011 at 23:35:08
I'd say that on the face of it, a Supporters Trust is the way to go. However, you mention that we would work with the current board.... How exactly do you plan to do that? The current board, chaired by Kenwright, has ended the Annual General Meeting of the Shareholders... so, if he's not prepared to face them, what makes you think he would work with a Supporters Trust?
If there is to be a Supporters Trust, and I hope there is, we cannot say we will work with the board no matter what. The Liverpool supporters didn't blindly support Hicks and Gillette, nor should we blindly support the current board. We must hold the good name of our club above everything. That includes the current board!"
The success of this venture lies in the "Articles of Association". We cannot tie ourselves to just a blind supportive role.
In my opinion, Kenwright is killing our club. I do not think that is solely my opinion. We must be in a position to call for a Board to go if, in extremis, that is the majority view of the trust.
Having said that, there is a chance we could become an influence which our club is in dire need of. I would be happy to muck in for whatever the agreed contribution turns out to be.
One thing I am certain of: if we as a supporters don't do something drastic, I'm worried that our club is heading to oblivion and back to our roots in Stanley Park with coats down for goals again.
Eamonn Turner
169 Posted 31/01/2011 at 07:29:00
169 Posted 31/01/2011 at 07:29:00
I've read some of your posts regarding revenue raising etc over the years and always thought you had some vision Tony. This seems like a great idea and, living here in Brisbane, I would be delighted to join in, and in a very small way help this great club back to where it belongs.
Ben Edwards
170 Posted 31/01/2011 at 13:15:34
170 Posted 31/01/2011 at 13:15:34
I'm in.
Liam Reilly
171 Posted 31/01/2011 at 17:11:32
171 Posted 31/01/2011 at 17:11:32
This is a positive imitative and I would be happy to be included.
It would be naive however to assume that just because the proposal is that of a Supporters Trust, that it will automatically get a voice. The level of initial investment and ability to generate future investment is key to the success of any trust, therefore to encourage equality is fine, but will only deter more serious investors from contributing substantially more.
Therefore for this initiative to succeed, all investors cannot be considered equal. That?s just raw economics.
It would be naive however to assume that just because the proposal is that of a Supporters Trust, that it will automatically get a voice. The level of initial investment and ability to generate future investment is key to the success of any trust, therefore to encourage equality is fine, but will only deter more serious investors from contributing substantially more.
Therefore for this initiative to succeed, all investors cannot be considered equal. That?s just raw economics.
Simon Templeman
173 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:33:17
173 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:33:17
Count me in,
Have just cancelled sky @ £44 pr month. What if we all did the same and diverted our funds accordingly? Just a thought.
Have just cancelled sky @ £44 pr month. What if we all did the same and diverted our funds accordingly? Just a thought.
Kevin Dillon
174 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:47:06
174 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:47:06
Good on you Simon -if more people would do this it really would make a difference to the whole dynamic of the PL. I've, on a point of principle, refused to ever give Sky a penny.
Oh no, Appy Arry on Five Live sniffing round Captain Pip (his voice is enough for me to decide not to trust him!)
Oh no, Appy Arry on Five Live sniffing round Captain Pip (his voice is enough for me to decide not to trust him!)
Kevin Dillon
175 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:47:06
175 Posted 31/01/2011 at 20:47:06
Good on you Simon -if more people would do this it really would make a difference to the whole dynamic of the PL. I've, on a point of principle, refused to ever give Sky a penny.
Oh no, Appy Arry on Five Live sniffing round Captain Pip (his voice is enough for me to decide not to trust him!)
Oh no, Appy Arry on Five Live sniffing round Captain Pip (his voice is enough for me to decide not to trust him!)
Chris Jones
176 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:08:29
176 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:08:29
Alright how we going to pool all this energy to move this forward. Tony / Mike are you going to post a response.
Just to reiterate I'm more than happy to lead / or support on the PR front. Just let me know what you want to do and we can plan our attack. One thing I must say from the off is that although the Trust should seek to engage with the club positively, if we get a sense that the club isn't willing to listen we should amend our tactics accordingly. We need action and we need it quickly and directly.
Just to reiterate I'm more than happy to lead / or support on the PR front. Just let me know what you want to do and we can plan our attack. One thing I must say from the off is that although the Trust should seek to engage with the club positively, if we get a sense that the club isn't willing to listen we should amend our tactics accordingly. We need action and we need it quickly and directly.
Andy Wright
177 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:18:29
177 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:18:29
Arsenal have launched a fans share purchase scheme with Shareview/Equiniti. I don't know the exact mechanics of it but allows fans to pay a certain amount towards part ownership of Arsenal shares.
F C United of Manchester have recently ran a community shares scheme to generate cash for their club to go towards building a new ground in Manchester.
Although both of these aren't necessarily the right options just a couple of other ideas to chuck into the pot.
F C United of Manchester have recently ran a community shares scheme to generate cash for their club to go towards building a new ground in Manchester.
Although both of these aren't necessarily the right options just a couple of other ideas to chuck into the pot.
Jim Burns
178 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:49:00
178 Posted 31/01/2011 at 21:49:00
Great idea fellas - this sort of intitiative and impetus could take us somewhere we've never been before.
As a season ticket holder and supporter- home and away - for many years, as are my 3 children, Everton FC is the most important thing in my life after my family and business.
I feel strongly that the level of my investment in the club over some 40 years - financial, emotional and physical - has always lacked something more important -the ability to actually influence the club's direction in a positive , constructive manner -and not simply moaning or praising from the sidelines....a real sense of being involved IN my football club.
Its about time Evertonians did what we used to be respected for throughout the football world - forward - thinking, mould - breaking initiative.
Count me in please chaps - happy to contribute in whatever way you suggest - and a plea from the heart ....don't let this idea slip quietly into the history books.
Well done!
As a season ticket holder and supporter- home and away - for many years, as are my 3 children, Everton FC is the most important thing in my life after my family and business.
I feel strongly that the level of my investment in the club over some 40 years - financial, emotional and physical - has always lacked something more important -the ability to actually influence the club's direction in a positive , constructive manner -and not simply moaning or praising from the sidelines....a real sense of being involved IN my football club.
Its about time Evertonians did what we used to be respected for throughout the football world - forward - thinking, mould - breaking initiative.
Count me in please chaps - happy to contribute in whatever way you suggest - and a plea from the heart ....don't let this idea slip quietly into the history books.
Well done!
Jim Burns
179 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:05:34
179 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:05:34
PS Simon....the idea of cancelling Sky subscriptions is an attractive one - they have, in my humble opinion, done more than anyone else, to kidknap and grossly distort everything that used to be good about our game - making it what it is today - an ugly, bloated, cash printing machine.
As I listen with increasing despair and disbelief ,to what is unfolding in the transfer frenzy this evening, its clear that the Premier 'Product' is in full swing....and its becoming scary.
As I listen with increasing despair and disbelief ,to what is unfolding in the transfer frenzy this evening, its clear that the Premier 'Product' is in full swing....and its becoming scary.
Jim Burns
180 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:19:25
180 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:19:25
When do we start - and how?
Mike and Tony - a response to these posts would maintain some sort of initial momentum - even at this very early stage.
Keep it going guys!
Mike and Tony - a response to these posts would maintain some sort of initial momentum - even at this very early stage.
Keep it going guys!
Peter Dancer
181 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:14:45
181 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:14:45
Would the idea be for the subs to be spent on shares in the club giving the trust a weightier say in the running of everton? Pos a place on the board etc?
If so, sounds good as long as the subs are inclusive (not prohibitivly high for low earners). I'd be in.
If not ..... then im confused. lol.
If so, sounds good as long as the subs are inclusive (not prohibitivly high for low earners). I'd be in.
If not ..... then im confused. lol.
Tony I'Anson
182 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:44:17
182 Posted 31/01/2011 at 22:44:17
Hello everyone,
Many thanks for your comments to date. Mike and I are working on a response that will be posted later this week. Please bear with us.
Many thanks for your comments to date. Mike and I are working on a response that will be posted later this week. Please bear with us.
John Brennan
183 Posted 01/02/2011 at 06:27:20
183 Posted 01/02/2011 at 06:27:20
Sorry for delay in responding, due to log in problems.
Count me in!
Count me in!
Dean Peamum
184 Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:54:10
184 Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:54:10
I'm up for it. We could also increase our finances by putting the money into one of your wives' names and saying she lives in Monaco and thus not having to pay tax on it.
Drew O'Neall
185 Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:49:58
185 Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:49:58
I'm in 100%.
At last something positive to come out of this forum.
We need a mission statement and democratic constitution before asking for money though but I'd be prepared to get in at a higher level than the £2 proposed.
Good luck men.
At last something positive to come out of this forum.
We need a mission statement and democratic constitution before asking for money though but I'd be prepared to get in at a higher level than the £2 proposed.
Good luck men.
Bal Singh
186 Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:26:01
186 Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:26:01
Oh Yes! I suspect however the major challenge is going to be how we get a "signficant" voice at the table. We need to seek prior agreement on this so it doesn't only rest purely on the monetary value of our shares. Count me in though and I too would be happy to up the £2 stake!
Jarod Avila
187 Posted 01/02/2011 at 15:13:48
187 Posted 01/02/2011 at 15:13:48
Count me in. Maybe set up bank accounts in a few countries so that those of us abroad can donate more easily - Australia, USA, etc.
peter croft
188 Posted 01/02/2011 at 20:15:08
188 Posted 01/02/2011 at 20:15:08
brilliant idea maybe abit more say £10 a month would be a better idea if we going to do it, do it properly but i am in deffo
Jalil Noor
190 Posted 01/02/2011 at 22:36:36
190 Posted 01/02/2011 at 22:36:36
I'm in!
Should make it a worldwide membership so overseas fans can contribute as well.
Should make it a worldwide membership so overseas fans can contribute as well.
Kenn Crawford
191 Posted 01/02/2011 at 23:54:44
191 Posted 01/02/2011 at 23:54:44
Hi Guys this is a positive action and I am in. I am another ex-pat living in Sydney, Australia and anything I can do to help count me in
Tony I'Anson
192 Posted 02/02/2011 at 17:03:49
192 Posted 02/02/2011 at 17:03:49
We've just emailed the site administrator with an update to see if they will post it as anther article, given the positive response received on here.
Tony and Mike.
Tony and Mike.
Joe McParland
193 Posted 03/02/2011 at 02:25:52
193 Posted 03/02/2011 at 02:25:52
I'm up for it.
Jamie Rowland
194 Posted 03/02/2011 at 16:11:08
194 Posted 03/02/2011 at 16:11:08
Arsenal have launched a fans share purchase scheme with Shareview/Equiniti. I don't know the exact mechanics of it but allows fans to pay a certain amount towards part ownership of Arsenal shares.
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This can't happen at Everton because Everton is a Limited company and not floated on a stock market ? therefore any share exchange between a current owner (who, by the way, has to be willing to sell) and a prospective buyer would have to be sanctioned by the appointed broker. In the case of the trust purchasing a share, i would imagine the broker (with the club) would look into the deal at closer ? and obtaining the share would only be successful if the club recognised the Supporters Trust (like Arsenal do)...
If they didn't, and we are talking about the Everton board (who generally won't answer a question on anything difficult), then what 'power' would the trust have, what influence and... most importantly (because the question will get raised eventually) what happens to the raised cash?
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This can't happen at Everton because Everton is a Limited company and not floated on a stock market ? therefore any share exchange between a current owner (who, by the way, has to be willing to sell) and a prospective buyer would have to be sanctioned by the appointed broker. In the case of the trust purchasing a share, i would imagine the broker (with the club) would look into the deal at closer ? and obtaining the share would only be successful if the club recognised the Supporters Trust (like Arsenal do)...
If they didn't, and we are talking about the Everton board (who generally won't answer a question on anything difficult), then what 'power' would the trust have, what influence and... most importantly (because the question will get raised eventually) what happens to the raised cash?
Michael Kenrick
195 Posted 03/02/2011 at 17:13:11
195 Posted 03/02/2011 at 17:13:11
Jamie, my understanding is that Everton Shares may be traded between persons or parties based on mutual agreement, with the possible (but not necessary) mediation of the Club's appointed broker, Blankestone Sington Ltd.
So there is no reason why the Trust cannot build up its share ownership in this way... it just takes money.
So there is no reason why the Trust cannot build up its share ownership in this way... it just takes money.
Cody Kniffen
196 Posted 07/02/2011 at 05:00:15
196 Posted 07/02/2011 at 05:00:15
I'm a little late to the game on this article but wanted to say that I'm absolutely interested in this.
I live in the States and honestly just started following the EPL this season. The World Cup really got me interested in soccer / football again. I chose to support Everton based on their history as a franchise and the support of the everyday people that make up their fan base.
Coune me in.
I live in the States and honestly just started following the EPL this season. The World Cup really got me interested in soccer / football again. I chose to support Everton based on their history as a franchise and the support of the everyday people that make up their fan base.
Coune me in.
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