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Uphill Struggle

Everton 1 - 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers

No Phil Neville, who is injured; Hibbert, Heitinga, Bily and Beckford all start; with Heitinga not in defence but playing the holding role because both Fellaini and Rodwell are on the bench, where they are joined by Osman and Saha from last week's starters. Rodwell is still overlooked for a starting role but at least Coleman makes the teamsheet. Despite last week's horrendous match-losing blunder, Moyes spurned the chance to really put any meaningful pressure on Howard by failing to give Mucha his debut (no doubt that will come on Wednesday against Huddersfield in the Carling Cup) remains in goal. Arteta captain for the day.

The game started with a hoof from Jags that won an early free-kick which went straight to Hanneman. On the next hoof, from Hibbert, Cahill won another free kick, As Everton looked to attack, Pienaar played in Hibbert well down the right but his cross was poor. Everton won another free kick when Berra held Beckford and Arteta did far better but Bily lashed the half-cleared ball well over the bar.

Jagielka hoofed it again and it came back to him but he finally played a better ground ball to Arteta and Hibbert's cross was much better, although Bily went down under pressure and could not control his shot. Neat work from Bily clipped the ball to Baines but his cross was awful. Jagielka gave away a cheap free-kick that went straight to Howard. The next attack was full of danger but Arteta could not control it.

Beckford was starting to get more into it after a slow start, but could not get a difficult cross close enough to Cahill. Some silliness between Henry and Cahill won a free-kick but Arteta's square ball confused everybody, especially Jags, who could only chip it poorly. The match was developing a feisty edge but Everton were playing it on the ground and an excellent forward move tested Beckford again.

More hoofing down the right, this time from Pienaar, eventually led to some better football, Pienaar getting caught by Henry for an excellent free-kick opportunity that Baines screwed high and wide. Hibbert was bright enough to win Everton's first cornerr but it came to nothing. Cahill and Pienaar combined well to win a corner but Bily fired it over everyone.

Some tremendous interpassing finally set up Heitinga in space and his excellent shot stung Hanneman's gloves but Cahill could not keep Arteta's resulting corner below the bar. Another hoof down the right say the ref penalise Cahill for a high foot. Beckford got spoken too for what looked like an accidental kick on Berra. A lousy pass from Pienaar was greeted with boos but they were probably for Mason who had played advantage instead of calling a foul on Beckford. Arteta then got hounded by Jones and eventually lost it after a mazey run backward to the centre-circle.

Everton were really struggling to impose themselves on the constant pressure from their opponents, who were playing the spoiling game well. Another hoof from Distin found Beckford but he could not control it. Finally, Mason got his card out and booked Elokobi for a poor challenge on Arteta. From the kick, Cahill shielded well to set up Pienaar, who had played the entire half down the right side, but his shot was pathetic.

A simple ball in from Arteta that Beckford smartly clipped on looked to create the first goal but, instead of shooting, Cahill dived over, looking for a penalty that Mason was not interested in. Everton were attacking better but Beckford's control was letting him down repeatedly. A great cross from Pienaar was too far ahead of Bily; Bily then lashed at another after Cahill's good shot was blocked.

An unbelievable decision by Mason gave a free-kick outside the box for a clear push on Arteta that was inside the area, three yards in front of the referee!!! Arteta drove it in and Wolves could not clear the ball. Cahill may have fouled Cradock but turned smartly and smacked it home brilliantly. The goal stood, despite an animated conversation between ref and linesman.

Everton had struggled through the half to really impose themselves with confidence despite some good attacking play, but the goal was a tremendous relief.

No changes for the second half as Everton looked to control the game, Beckford playing a little further back. But scrappy football, characterized by another Jags hoof, was the pattern that seemed to set in early on. More hoofs by Baines only led to Beckford being called for a foul. A great move down the left ended with an awful touch by Beckford, his balance all wrong.

Everton were failing to build on the goal, and letting Wolves get too much of the play since half-time. Passing was not fluid by any means as the Hour of the Sub approached... who would it be? Saha on for Beckford? Or Bily? Pienaar was booed again for a horrible pass, possibly on his wrong foot.

Some better stuff saw the ball nodded back by Cahill but a dreadful airshot from Bily missed a glorious chance. Baines and Henry battled away on the byeline and the crowd got more annoyed with Mason. Two Everton players, Arteta and Pienaar, collapsed but Mason delayed stopping the game, getting the crowd even more aggravated.

It was nervy stuff without the assurance of a second goal; too many hoofs in the general direction of Beckford, who could not control any of them, and the game was degenerating into quite a poor display of football. Pienaar, since being booed, had been playing in very determined fashion, tracking back and defending well. Beckford got a chance to break but Ward had the measure of him far too easily. The substitution came late today, 71 mins, and it was Saha for Beckford.

But a dreadful sequence of play soon after Saha came on saw Wolves equalize. And it was silly hesitaition beetwen Saha and Heitinga that saw saw Guediura leap in sharply with his studs to get the ball off Heitinga, legally or not? and sacamper away with it to set up a break, Heitinga lying prostate. Ebanks-Blake had an easy task to finish the move.

After the restart, Heitinga, going in for retributive afters on Jarvis, got a stupid yellow for his trouble as Everton looked more and more uncomfortable, the scrappy football making the Goodison crowd most agitated. Jagielka was repeatedly put under pressure, once when Howard failed to take command of the ball. Wolves now had the bit firmly between the teeth, while Moyes dithered over his next substitutions.

Fellaini was the chosen one, along with Osman, the Big Fella coming on for Heitinga, Osman for Bily. So... almost back to the Blackburn starting line-up!!!. Baines went on a good run and was hauled down by Halford. Artea's low fired kick was cleared with ease. Cahill looked to get a chance but he was offside from a flick-on.

The subs brightened things up for the final 10 mins, Saha getting in a looping header that came down just the wrong side of the bar. But at the other end, Jarvis went on a dazzzling run that beat Hibbert and required determined intervention from Distin to prevent an easy winning goal. Osman was lively at the other end, but not strong enough to resist the attentions of Wolves' resolute defenders.

A very feisty finish from Wolves after they scored underlined a depressingly familiar inability of Everton to put the headlock on poorer teams who play the physical pressing game. This fixture finished 1-1 last season, and went down as one of far too many games that Everton should have won... and would need to win if they were really going to make some progress this season, with "the best squad in over 20 years". But it was once again Same Old, Same Old; not enough invention, confidence, or composure.

Two games in... and two rather depressingly familiar portents for Everton's season.


Michael Kenrick     Posted 21/08/2010 at

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James Stewart
1   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:13:25

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Was at the game today and accurate report. Shite. No coleman or rodwell. Up front totally toothless yet again. Moyes needs to seriously start taking more risks as its all too easy to take points off us at the moment.
Kase Chow
2   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:13:00

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I asked previously 'what's changed from last season?' such that everyone is so optimistic....truth is I didn't get a convincing answer

We do not have a centre back combination that can regularly keep clean sheets (Diston and Yobo make too many mistakes and Hettinga and Jags are too short to play together) and we don't have the mentality to win at all costs.

I desperately hope we have a great season but I just can't see what's changed of significance from last season to this
Kunal Desai
3   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:22:27

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Should have taken the £8M from Besiktas when we had a chance.....
Stan Sheppard
4   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:20:51

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I couldn't understand the change down the left, Baines and Pienaar must play together as they have a great understanding. I know DM probably wanted to change it up after last week but the reaction of the team after half time and the managers refusal to put Rodwell on is very frustrating.

I think the first half was better than last week but once again we are of to a very slow start.
Tony Gee
5   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:23:15

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Toothless up front.

We need a top class striker, but the financial well is dry....

Shame on you, Bill!!!
Dave Usher
6   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:16:31

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Frustrating but what is really getting to me is the right wing puzzle. Why disrupt the left side to fit in Bily when he obviously isn't bringing much to the side and play Pienar on the right. We are desperate for a natural right sided wide player for the formation we play so we need to cash in on at least one of the six or so central midfield players we have who are competing for the two positions available and pay for a viable alternative. If we can't do this we must either give Gueye a chance or see if Coleman can do a job as none of the options we have seen so far appear to be able to do the job.

O well only two games gone and I'm sure it'll get better when we settle.

Liu Weixian
7   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:22:47

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I wish Moyes will evolve a brain and start telling his players to pass the ball. At home to Wolves and what did we do with the ball? Long ball after long ball after long ball. No wonder Bily had a 'steamed' look on his face when he came off.
Michael Kenrick
8   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:22:38

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Kase: got to give you that. My optimism has been proven to be totally misplaced. Moyes has once again failed miserably to set up his team properly for the challenge of the season ? and this time he can't hide behind the excuse of crippling injuries. So... it'll be the old familiar refrain of "no money".

Hmmm... perhaps that's right after all. I've fought long and hard against the idea that this squad ? which everyone says is good on paper ? can't do it because Moyes doesn't get enough money. But what other excuses are there? We're running out!!!
Andy Crooks
9   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:17:18

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I wasn't at the game but the result after last week is unacceptable. Another bad start. Why? Are our team not as good as many thought at the start of the season or is it the coach? This is not a knee-jerk response; I thought Moyes should have gone when he dithered over his contract. I have said it before and have been castigated for it, but there really is an alternative to what we have been served up for years.

Having said that, he is here and will remain here while Kenwright lives the dream. So let's be positive. I don't think we are one of the worst three teams in the league. We will be in the top ten and next summer we will get the usual nonsense that we are a top four team.

Ian Edwards
10   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:23:32

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Unless Moyes grows a pair of gonads, especially at home, then we are going to struggle bigtime. Hardly anything created in 2 games. One up front with Cahill just off, at home, with away teams packing the defence, is unacceptable.

Blackburn and Wolves worked out how to play us. We had no width and didn't look like scoring. It took a set piece.

I was abused on this site a few weeks ago for saying I thought we would finish mid-table. On what I've seen so far, I stand by it.
John Andrews
11   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:26:11

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I sadly have to agree with Michael. It galls me when I see that we were absolutely awful.
Stan Sheppard
12   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:26:57

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For all of Bily's critics, he does get into some great positions and did have some great chances today. Yes, he hasn't turned out to be all that I hoped he would but he wasn't alone in being below par today.

Wolves, who won't be the only team to have tried to work out how to get away from Goodison with something, put a marker on Arteta which stiffled him to a point. The remainder of the Wolves team pressed the life out of us and once we ran out of ideas there were too many hoofballs.
Mark Griffiths
13   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:24:22

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I am starting to think we will not win anything with Moyes. We may have the odd season creeping into a fine 4th or 5th place finish but, even if we did get ino the CL, we would be dumped out quicker than the remains of a chicken vindaloo!

I hate to say it but maybe it is time to change... at least see where we are by Christmas, then make a decision. I am pissed about the same thing every season, the "if only"s, the "should have"s... it is getting tired now!

Dermot Ryan
14   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:29:58

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Fuck Billy and his steamed look. Totally wasteful today. Gets himself in scoring positions but is incredibly wasteful. And is now beginning to play like a headless chicken.

And bringing on Osman!!! Tell me what Moyes thought that was going to bring to the dynamic of that game.

Next game away to Villa? All beginning to look a bit iffy isn't it. 1 out of a very possible 6.

Yes, Wolves and Rovers are big, physical bruisers, but we have to be able to roll over these teams.
Chris James
15   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:23:10

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This wasn't a defensive failure it's all about the lack of penetration - astonishingly poor from a chance creation and finishing point of view.
Kevin Hudson
16   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:32:21

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Hard work at the ground today. Our play at times seemed a little rushed,and lacking composure. Bily should have been withdrawn at half time,if only to spare the tattoed nutter in front of me from having a fit,such was his frequently vocalised frustration!!

Beckford naive at times,and too many punts from Jags. Pienaar's performance was significant,Arteta was decent at times,although stifled,and Hibbert still hasn't worked on his crossing..

Horrible goal to concede,but was in keeping with the ref trying to let the game flow. People were up in arms,but from where I was sat,the ball was there to be won. Heitinga & Louis shit out.

No disaster.Just waiting for us to click,really.
Charles King
17   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:34:01

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To David Moyes

?Time is swift, it races by; Opportunities are born and die... Still you wait and will not try - A bird with wings who dares not rise and fly."

A. A Milne

To the players

?Don't lower your expectations to meet your performance. Raise your level of performance to meet your expectations. Expect the best of yourself, and then do what is necessary to make it a reality"

Ralph Marston
Michael Evans
18   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:55:16

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Charles - Beautiful choice of quotes.
Ajay Gopal
19   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:53:50

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Charles King - hear, hear ! Well said.

I am one of the foolish people here who dreamed that Everton really had a chance of winning the league. Ha.. Ha..

Once again it will be a dreary & slow climb up the table for us. By that time, the leading pack will be leaving the rest of us flailing in their wake.

If we are lucky, again a fight for Europa...dear me, this is getting tiresome now.

The pre-season was filled with such hope & optimism, Now, our limitations are cruelly exposed by 2 work-horse (no disrespect) teams.

I have repeatedly said on these forums - Moyes has acheived wonders for Everton, but I doubt he can ever get out of the "backs to the wall" attitude and take himself and us to the next level.

I know it is still early days, but this slow start again is so bloody frustrating !
Mark Ramshaw
20   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:56:17

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Sick to the back teeth of the same old cautious shite. When is Moyes going to get some balls. We were at home. Fellaini and Rodwell so what do we do, play a centre half in midfield. Sell Pienaar and bring in NZogbia. He cant be out of our reach, surely. He'll play either say and with good man management (although Im not sure he ll get that) could be productive for us. We are crying out for wide men and strikers. Bily just looks like he cant get the pace of the game. Beckford not bad. He will improve with a goal. Why do we always start like a pile of shite
Dick Fearon
21   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:13:50

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Michael, that was an excellent record of how the game played out. I agree with you in every respect.
Once again our brilliant manager failed in his reading of the game. From half time Wolves gained momentum and Everton became increasingly scrappy. Beckford might turn out to be be a good striker he tried hard but in this game he would not have scored had he played til midnight.
Bily is getting there yet still a yard off the pace. Pienaar had his worst game in ages.
By half time It was clear that to swing the game back to our favour a positive change was needed.
As usual, Davy waited far too long to make his move. Despite having no less than 3 assistants in the dug out all with head sets presumably communicating with another three also with head sets the message isn't getting through..
Mick McCarthy with not a head set in sight was a wonderful example for the Moysiah.
Dick Fearon
22   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:01:52

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What is the hold Osman has over Moyes?
David Hallwood
23   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:11:03

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Wasn't at the game today, listened to it on City so I can't really comment, but we're being undone by not sorting right mid out, this time Moyes splits the Baines/Pienaar partnership to accommodate Bily, and none of them had a good game.

I've never been one to call on the club to spend money they haven't got, but i think this is an example of needs must otherwise it'll bleedin' groundhog day
David Hallwood
24   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:17:32

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PS. Good report Michael, just feel too depressed to comment on it
Gavin Ramejkis
25   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:14:21

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Back from the game, a few observations:

The three substitutions were actually worse than what was on the pitch; Saha didnt win nearly as many balls as Beckford and doesn't track back as much either, Fellaini isn't match fit and did nothing of note when he came on and Osman is not a right winger.

Heitinga was knackered but kept on the pitch, when he was replaced it was for Fellaini who clearly isnt match fit, what the hell is Moyes thinking in not bringing Rodwell on instead and earlier?

Bily had a poor game but was Osman worse; falling over in the box with no one near him right at the end of the game?

Beckford had a decent but not great game but why replace him with Saha who did nothing other than head over the bar and took an eternity to track back?

I would love to hear the FA's appraisal of Mr Mason as the last time I checked I'm pretty certain it is the ref that calls physios onto the pitch to treat injured players yet after letting Heitinga get clattered which led to their goal, it appeared that Mick McCarthy sent the physios on. The penalty not given at the Park End right in front of me where a clear divot of turf was lifted during the foul inside the area yet Mason gives a free kick and given the standard size of the goal area then surely ten yards is up to the six yard box which again wasn't measured properly.

Despite the poor decisions of the ref I am fully expecting to see a Missing advert appear in the Liverpool Echo and Daily Post asking if anyone has found David Moyes' balls as he looks like he has lost them for a second week on the run.
Andy Peers
26   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:30:16

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This would have been the perfect game for Coleman to have played. Hibbert had all kinds of room moving forward but sadly nothing came of it. Aston Villa our next league game and, to be honest, I am not looking forward to it.
Christopher Marston
27   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:44:32

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Why oh why does Moyes not play Rodwell?
Rooney got angry with Moyes for always naming his as sub and the same is going to happen with Rodders.
The kid wants to play football, he has the legs, the brain, the strength, everything to cope. Play him Moyes or risk losing him. He would walk into any other team in the prem inclusing the big 4.
Andrew Bankes
28   Posted 21/08/2010 at 18:41:00

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I'm in no way attempting to provide Moyes and the team with excuses today, but I was of the impression that Lee Mason was truly fucking woeful this afternoon. As bad a refereeing performance as I've seen since Clattenberg's derby! I have to disagree with Kevin Hudson's assertion he was trying to let the game flow. I saw a man who couldn't get enough of the sound of his own whistle - blowing in favour of Wolves most of the time!
Dave Richman
29   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:02:52

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Mark Ramshaw got in ahead of me using the 'sick to the back teeth' phrase:

I'm sick to the back teeth of us playing one upfront against shite like Wolves, particularly at home. Thierry Henry would struggle to play up front by himself - in this side anyway - yet Beckford, with zero PL experience, is expected to.

I'm sick to the back teeth of seeing all 11 back defending corners..... the ONLY thing that happens - if you don't concede - is the fucking thing just comes straight back as there is no outlet.

I'm sick to the back teeth of us spunking points up against the wall early in the season, and this time there's no injury crisis or Moyes contract crisis.

I'm sick to the back teeth of seeing us welly the fucking thing hopefully upfield. I started counting but gave up after 10 minutes as it was happening too often, with Jags the chief exponent.

I'm sick to the back teeth of the failure of the coaching staff to notice when someone's having a mare - Bily today after a decent first 15 mins or so. And then, when Bily finally gets hooked, he's replaced by our very own 'Jinky Jimmy' right-winger extraordinaire, Leon Osman .... erm.

I'm sick to the back teeth of seeing Jack Rodwell & Seamus Coleman - and obviously to a lesser degree - Magaye Gueye not given a game at all! I didn't see the pre season games but surely Gueye would be a better bet than Ossie wide right?

And finally....... get the Pienaar issue sorted out NOW!!!!

Fucking annoyed!!
Luke Dunn
30   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:27:11

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What was the purpose of bringing Saha on? His squandered possesion led to their goal, and once again he just strolls round not really exerting himself. I thought Beckford did all right and shortly before his substution if he had passed then it could have been two-nil.
Andy Peers
31   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:27:58

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Team for Huddersfield:

Mucha; Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Jagielka; Fellaini, Gueye, Pienaar, Arteta; Beckford Yakubu.

Watch us win 6-0 with that team. I only included Mucha to give him a game.

John Audsley
32   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:29:05

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Well

After reading the after match comments on the Worthless EFC site im glad to see that Moyes is "Unhappy" with the 2nd half performance

UNHAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bloody Nora, soon it will be the Walter Smith "Disapointing" after evry match.

2nd half we where terrible with no idea tactically at all. 5 points dropped already

as usual come May time this will really cost us and for once Davey has NO excuses.

What a shocking tranformation of the team that finished last season
Alex Gibney
33   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:37:48

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Same old story... 1 point out of 6 against decidedly mediocre opposition, so much for the top four. On the plus side, we are perennial bad starters...
Mark Scarratt
34   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:36:10

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Wow crazy

Howard must come off your line more often

Coleman should be right back. Hibbert ok defensively but offers nothing going forward. Time for change

Baines good left back but needs Pienaar in front of him

Distin, boss game today

Jags, better than last week, but still not over his injury and starting to worry about him. maybe Heitinga would be better as he uses the ball better from the back

Billy, useless

Beckford, played well but can't do it on his own, needs support

Saha hasn't scored since Chelsea at home in Feb and is too laid back. His mistake cost is the goal today. Wake up and start playing again

We have just persuaded Rodwell to sign a new contract to supposedly stop him going to Chelsea or Man U and now he won't pick him. I would be fukin annoyed if I was Rodwell

Maybe some of players have believed all the pre-season hype

We should be more adventurous at home against Wolves, who are useless. Time to play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 against these rubbish teams.

Get it sorted now before we end up in a relegation battle

Next up Villa away and Man U at home

Great

Michael Evans
35   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:03:11

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To win you have to have mental courage - Carpe diem.

Whilst DM continues to espouse a "safety first " philosophy, we will continue to feel the gut wrenching frustration that is an all too familiar sensation when analysing DM's tactics/team selections etc.

Robert Elliott
36   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:08:46

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Anybody else lost confidence in our ability to defend a 1-0 lead? We used to be experts at it, but when we took the lead today I had a horrible feeling Wolves would get back in it.

When all said and done, despite all the injuries and the bad start, it was our inability to defend leads and our inability to put away inferior opposition which cost us a place in the top six last year, and today showed perfectly that we haven't learned those lessons.

Pretty depressed to be honest. I thought we'd have at least four, if not six points by now, and with Villa and Man Utd to come, we could easily be looking at one point from four games to start with.

Think Moyes is a good manager and has done a great job for us by and large, but there must be something in the way he prepares the team in pre-season to explain our annual shit performances in August. Surely Rodwell has to start at Villa...?

Matty Snape
37   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:41:22

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Where to start? Why do everton always do this to us, they promise so much with a fine pre-season, and then throw it all down the shitter with yet another terrible start to the season. Same thing happened last season. In my opinion the choice of friendlies could have been better, austrailian league teams and lower league teams isn't ideal preparation for a team who should be challenging for a top-four place. We should be playing top-quality sides.

As for today....the starting lineup baffled me, why did Moyes decide to play 4-5-1 at home, against wolves? Blackburn and Wolves are the likes of teams were we need to commit everything and play two fukin strikers. Im a huge fan of moyes, he's done wonders for the club, but recently ive been questioning his methods. I fear that Distin is turning into one of moyes' 'undroppable' players i.e Neville, Howard, Osman. Although he had a decent game today, he is a liability at the back, why he hasn't at least tried Jags and Johnny at the back is beyond me.

I remain hopeful that ill be proven wrong by the time the end of the season comes, and Mr Moyes decides to try a new system, Coleman deserves a run in the side, as does Rodwell and even Gueye.

COYB
John McLoughlin
38   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:25:36

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The best young midfielder in the country, potentially the most exciting attacking right back we've had for 20 odd years, we are at home to Wolves, So Moyes starts Hibbert and brings on Osman. Now i actually think Hibbert did ok today, but thats all it will ever be OK, As for Osman with a less than ten minutes to go played in a position every Everton fan knows he cannot do, Moyes at times frustrates me so much with his team line ups, instead of going for greatness but it may go wrong he always takes a safety 1st attitude. We'll never win anything with Moyes because when the big chance is there he'll be scared to take it
Tony McNulty
39   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:06:25

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Maybe we simply perform better as underdogs; when we are seen as a team to be reckoned with and the opposition sets out its stall to frustrate us tactically, then we are too much of a one-trick pony and find it hard to adapt.

This may just be the sort of blip that all teams go through, nothing more. And away from the minnows we may now start to perform better. Scary scenario? When a team?s results keep turning on single incidents (Howard last week, a dodgy tackle this) it seems to involve teams nearer to the bottom than ones nearer the top.

John McLoughlin
40   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:33:05

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I read in a forum pre season a Liverpool WUM stating Moyes wont play rodwell as he has to be the big thing at the club, so to expect Rodwell to have a great pre season then be left out and used Sparingly and Moyes claiming its for his own good, He wont be far off even tho it was a wind up
Steve Higham
41   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:16:58

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Everton did the usual after half time did not turn up.Wolves where first to the ball and up for the physical battle. No matter what team you are you have to match the opposition then impose yourself all over the park. Too many players went missing in the second half,and what worried me was that Wolves appeared fitter than us. Thought Distin was good at the back and saved a Woves winner with a great tackle in the second half.Jags worries me cannot stop hoofing the ball forward and cannot seem to pass to an Everton player. Any thoughts on Distin and Heitinga being paired at centre back.Davey please play Baines and Piennar on the same flank and get the right side of midfield sorted quickly .Tell Saha to sort himself out or the Yak could be back (never thought I would say that !!!) and finally Osman on the right has never worked and never will.
Jay Harris
42   Posted 21/08/2010 at 19:29:27

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I guess the anticipation of this season has turned to exasperation.I think those forecasting we would win the league are changing their minds rapidly. Unfortunately it seems so are the players.

I thought it was game of 2 halves today.

For once the players seemed up for it in the first half with Billy playing some class passes around the pitch but some woeful shooting from Billy and Pienaar especially with Beckford in good positions and expecting a pass.

Mason as somebody has already mentioned was almost as bad as Clattenburg who seemed to let Wolves thuggish tackles go and blew up every time one of theirs was fouled.

However in the second half we settled for the 1 goal lead and did not push up the pitch at all. Result = once again we concede a stupid goal from nothing because we invited the pressure.

I dont know what Rodwell and Coleman have to do to get a game but even though I like Ossie and think he takes unfair flak I could not understand why Rodwell did not get a chance ahead of him today. My only thought is Moyesey is keeping him out of the limelight until the transfer window closes otherwise Uncle Bill might cash in.
Paul Thompson
43   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:39:25

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We played reasonably well in the first half, but the second was woeful. Wolves upped their game and we couldn't or wouldn't match it. I think the comments against 4-5-1 are misplaced. It works well if you have the kind of formation (mobile, quick and movement off the ball) that can support it. At the moment we don't. Billy doesn't do enough and theright flank hasn't been sorted. As a result, neither Beckford or Saha gets enough support. Saha is lacking confidence (like many strikers do if they are not scoring) and Beckford (who shows promise) may go the same way if noting changes. If Moyes has no confidence in Yakubu, sell and replace, or play the guy.

Distin played well today and some on this site need to get off his back. Jagielka, in contrast, is looking shaky. Heitinga and Distin is the best partnership for now.

As most of us agree, we need to get one or more of a more clinical striker amd pacy right flank player in. If we con't we may struggle. If Pienaar won't sighn, get rid and use the money to but one or more of the above. In the meantime I would try Gueuye on one of the flanks.

The season is by no means lost, but decisive action is needed.
Andy Crooks
44   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:51:20

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There are too many Evertonians who believe we owe David Moyes a huge debt of gratitude for saving the club. He has a massive salary, a chairman who adores him, the plaudits of his fellow managers(not a threat, Sir Alex).,admiration from the press and the common acceptance that he has done a marvellous job under impossible circumstances. He has won nothing and ,frankly, doesn't look as if he ever will. I believe we owe him nothing and suggest that in the last couple of years things could have been better .
It really isn't to do with the poor start, it;s two games and we will improve'it's the dull, safety first team selection and tactics. The lack of imagination and what is beginning to seem an inability to install self believe in the squad.We have now been poor in three games in a row. Why?
Brendan O'Doherty
45   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:20:22

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Of all the brickbats you use to beat Moyes with Andy, to say that "an inability to install self believe in the squad" is one of them, is laughable.

An ability to install self-belief in the players is his biggest asset, and will be proven again this season.
Dermot Ryan
46   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:32:25

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The broken record: we need a striker and a right winger.

Duncan McDine
47   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:34:25

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9 times out of 10, we'd have been 2 or 3 goals up, and their break away would've been a consolation. Bily should've done a lot better infront of goal, and Beckford should've done much better at times.

One thing I can't accept is the perfomance of Saha when he came on. I can't tolerate lazy sulkers in my Everton team. He was the main fault for their goal (Johnny should have been more decisive too). The other gripe is Osman coming on, and Rodwell left on the bench... has young Jack suddenly done something wrong?

We will still have a good season despite this poor start. We will pick up points where they aren't deserved along the way, but at the moment we have just 1 point from what should be 4 in fairness.
Tony Gee
48   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:27:23

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Andy Crooks..

I couldn't agree more with you..

It's just a pity that all those of us who question the tactical awareness and game planning of Davis Moyes are often slated by those who have their rose tinted Moyes specs on...

As you'll see, inbetween our posts is Brendans, who I believe would be better served to remember our club motto, rather than have a pop at you for questioning the great Ginger one...

Colin Harvey got sacked for doing a lot better than the current fella....

Nil Satis nisi Optimum.....

Or should we change it to "Let's all jack off if we finish in the top 6..."
Mike Green
49   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:43:19

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Cor - the doom and gloom merchants are out in force tonight, led by our glorious editor of course!

Whats wrong with you lot?!? We got our first points of the season today and I for one am celebrating!

Wha-hoooo!!!!! COYB!!!!!
Shaun Laycock
50   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:41:49

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I have always been a big Davie supporter. I have espoused his virtues to all that would listen but for me it is a do or die season for Moyes. A squad that is arguably top 4 (if used correctly) and fully fit. If he can't get it to work maybe we should be looking for someone who can....What I am really annoyed is that the last two games I have watched have been 180 minutes of my life that I can't claim back! Come one Davie....grow some!!!
Duncan McDine
51   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:46:31

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Looking at individual performances, those who played well, and worked hard for the team: Tony Hibbert, Pienaar (dispite some stick from the crowd), Arteta was much imporoved.

I thought Jags was way below his normal level, and as above, Saha was terrible. Cahill and Beckford had poor touches all through the match, but at least ran their balls off.

The rest of the lads played ok.
Brendan O'Doherty
52   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:47:24

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Tony Gee

You don't believe David Moyes is capable of installing self-belief in his players then?

Just because I haven't joined in the Moyes bashing on this thread doesn't mean I don't know what the club motto is....

I suggest you address your concerns to the Chairman if you are unhappy about the club motto not being adhered to, as we all are.
Tony Gee
53   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:53:58

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Brendan..

Do you think Moyes has installed self belief into Diniyar Bilyaletdinov, as i sure as shit don't...

Christopher McCullough
54   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:59:36

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I think Everton need a new assistant manager. Preferably, someone like Frank Arnesen but certainly a man with creative ideas and the balls to challenge Moyes, who is a great manager. That's the basic Hegelian dialectic. Round just seems too obsequious to me.

I'm very disappointed with today's performance but more disappointed with the crowd's treatment of Pienaar. By all means boo at the end of the game but what is the point in booing a man who is giving everything for the jersey. Unlike some. It's just disturbing the rest of the team and encouraging to the opposition.

Brendan O'Doherty
55   Posted 21/08/2010 at 22:00:31

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Well done Tony, you've found one player who has not improved under Moyes. Pour yourself a drink, while you think of some others.

Moyes has a proven record of giving players self-belief, which has led to our famed team-spirit over the years.

I pulled Andy up on this particular point, nothing else, such as tactical awareness, game planning, etc. that you mention. You will see this if you take the trouble to actually read my very short post.

John McLoughlin
56   Posted 21/08/2010 at 22:13:02

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At the end of the season if we miss out on Europe just like last year by a couple of points, i hope all those people saying its only 2 games in and plenty of time to put things right remember our now yearly terrible start will cost us once again admit these games do count
Tony Gee
57   Posted 21/08/2010 at 22:10:24

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Brendan..

I use to sell Kirby Vacuum cleaners years ago, with a gang of lads from Chester. We had a great team spirit.
Our boss use to tell us we were the best salesmen in the world, which made me ooze self-belief....

But guess what.... I still couldn't sell the fuckers..!!
Chris Jones
58   Posted 21/08/2010 at 22:15:36

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Just back after the game

There was a lot wrong with today and unfortunately there were some familiar themes repeated from recent years that got under my skin...

1) we are never clinical enough - whenever we get on top of weaker teams we never punish them and squander too many half chances that the better teams take.
2) we've gone soft - we melted against Wolves' bullying and didn't bite back; their goal was a prime example.
3) we are predictable and lack pace - for all of our decent passing we are never swift enough on the break and want to make one too many passes.
4) subs gone wrong - DM made the wrong decisions at the wrong times - Beckford should have stayed on and we needed Rodwell's energy and Gueye's pace to lift us near the end not Osman (he's not a right winger!) and Felli
5) atmosphere aint great - for some time now the Gwladys street has been silenced. Home and even away were a lot quieter than 3 or 4 years ago when we had a worse team.

In both games we've passed it well for long spells (not sure about the claims of hoof ball I've read on here about today), but we need to get our tempo back and are in desperate need for more pace out wide - N'Zogbia or Izmailov would be a worth a punt.

Sadly I think Saha's days are numbered - he's lost his appetite. Same goes for Osman, Yobo and Yak, all of whom I think we should release if it means getting in a winger and a focal point up front (Santa Cruz or Cole?)

Am I sounding like a stuck record? Sorry. Roll on Wednesday night.
Phil Rodgers
59   Posted 21/08/2010 at 22:57:00

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What amazes me is moyes's cautious attitude towards shitbag teams. They should be scared of us not the other way around.
Kevin Hudson
60   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:25:14

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Good point about the atmosphere,Chris. I'm in the Gwlady's myself,and it was unusually quiet for a first game. It's up to us to set the tone,and I do feel the players feed off the gallery,and need us to do our bit. Expect it'll be bouncing next (league) game though..

Andrew: (28)

I wasn't implying the ref had a particularly good game per se.. My post was just referring to a couple of 50-50's he waved play-on to,the Wolves goal being a case in point. Obviously no argument with the pen that should have been. Anyone who can't identify a player being fouled INSIDE the box,from 3 yards away,as in the case of our goal,needs to go to Specsavers! Awful,shithouse decision.

Overall though,the foul spread was practically even: 17-16 in their favour,so I think the Clattenberg reference is a wee bit far..
Steve Pugh
61   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:52:53

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How can the "tackle" on Johnny in the lead up to their goal be classed as a 50-50, the guy was off the ground, did not touch the ball but did go through onto Johnny's leg. It was a disgraceful lunge and deserved a Yellow Card (at least) not a goal.

The non-penalty for Mikki, the ref had to give something so he pretended it was outside the area, come on, give us a break. On a day that Spurs get given two extra points by a referee we get two taken off us.
Andy Crooks
62   Posted 22/08/2010 at 00:01:00

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Brendan, I've had a think about your comment and I am happy to withdraw my remark about David Moyes not installing belief. There is much about him that I have reservations over but that particular criticism was made out of disappointment and was in hindsight unfair.
Henry Jones
63   Posted 22/08/2010 at 00:10:56

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I'm already regretting having bought tickets for the Huddersfield game. We're boring to watch.

I have a six-month-old son and I'm seriously considering not introducing him to Everton. I don't want him to suffer like I do every week.
Brendan O'Doherty
64   Posted 22/08/2010 at 00:44:58

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Fair enough Andy - well done for manning up.

Having now seen various highlights packages, it seems to me that the referee cost us the game. OK it was still a below par performance in the 2nd half, but the non-decision in the lead up to their goal was diabolical. The Wolves player jumped in with both feet off the ground, and only just managed to get a touch on the ball, while getting a lot of Heitinga in the process. It was worse than Joe Cole's last week for which he saw red.

We also should have had at least one penalty, if not three. No excuse for the 2nd half performance, but if the ref had been a bit more competent and done his job properly, we would have been talking about 3 points, and the reaction would have been a little less hysterical.
Kevin Hudson
65   Posted 22/08/2010 at 01:07:39

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Steve, behave yourself.

He took the ball fair and square! If Johnny himself had made that tackle, you wouldn't have found ANY fault with it. Sorry, but Saha & JH dithered, whilst their guy was switched on. Disgraceful lunge? Not for me ? his studs were aimed solely for the ball. Guedioura showed good appetite.

The only reason Heitinga stayed down was because he was hoping the ref would blow up for a foul, as he knew they had three on two. I didn't see him go off for treatment either.

Brendan: 3 penalties? Arteta obviously, but where were the others?

Surely you can't mean the first half one were Cahill made a meal of it in the six-yard box? For me, that's cheating...
Dermot Ryan
66   Posted 22/08/2010 at 01:29:14

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Henry: As long as you don't introduce your son to the dark side. And don't you worry that without your guidance, he'll drift in that direction?

Although I totally understand your frustration. Can you imagine if you happened to be a genuine Chelsea supporter (if they exist anymore). A 6-0 thrashing would really set up the weekend nicely. A game like that against Wolves casts a pall over the weekend with the only cure the possibility of a resounding victory the following week. I really missed the league over the summer and now I seriously find myself wondering why.

Oh well, roll on Huddersfield. Maybe, we'll thrash them 6-0. Opening goal by Hibbert.
Brendan O'Doherty
67   Posted 22/08/2010 at 01:37:28

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Sorry, Kevin, I can't agree with you about the tackle. You are not allowed to go in with both feet off the ground whether you get the ball or not ? them's the rules.

OK the other 2 penalty claims are dubious, but I've seen them given. Bilya looked like he was blocked from behind early in the game, and Cahill was pushed over. Not strongly admittedly, but technically a penalty. I've seen them given for much lighter touches.

That Arteta's wasn't given was like something out of a Monty Python sketch, as even the players were laughing at the decision.
Gavin Ramejkis
68   Posted 22/08/2010 at 08:44:58

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Kevin Hudson, two minor things as I'm not sure you were actually at the game having missed two hands in the base of Cahill's back for his "meal of it" penalty claim ? I was sat less than 30 ft away.

And after McCarthy sent the physio on for Heitinga, he left the pitch to return, so, yeah, he did get treatment.

Jon Cox
69   Posted 22/08/2010 at 09:18:02

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So we're all agreed that Hibbo didn't have that bad a game and Leon is no right winger.

Ten minutes into the second half, why didn't Moyes bring on Coleman on the right wing?

The lad has pace to burn keeps his head up for the killer pass and above all else is the perfect outlet for a speedy counter attack. Surely even at 1-1 it would have been worth a punt.

I'm sorry, lads, but it's "a dog with a bone" thing for me at the moment because until it happens I can't be proved wrong.

So frustrated.

Kevin Hudson
70   Posted 22/08/2010 at 10:03:19

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Okay Gavin,Take your word for it.

I'm in the Gwladys, so couldn't see hands on Cahill. The replay didn't look convincing to me, but as Brendan says: Seen them given.

Probably too busy bitching about Saha to my mates to notice JH go off for "treatment" as it was such a poor goal for us to concede.
Colin Noon
71   Posted 22/08/2010 at 11:54:39

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Jesus H Christ its 2 FUCKING GAMES into the season for cying out loud. Nobody quite hits the panic button like my fellow evertonians. I was going to try and put a positive spin on things but it would be a pointless exercise on here. So I will just keep in with the current theme on here and continue the trend.

We have no chance of a top four finish because the toffeeweb community say so

We didnt destroy a Blackburn team who only lost 3 times at home last season (1 of which was Everton) so we must be useless

We didnt go on to score 3 more against a poor wolves team. (Wait a minute... didnt we fail to beat them home and away last season???) so Moyes must chage the entire 1st 11
Bring in Seamus Coleman and everything will be alright

There you go... everybody's happy

In future I am saving realism and rationality for everton related topics with my mates. Because it seems to me the only time you lot are only happy or even bother to post is to moan, thank god you dont support Tranmere.

I think its about time sobody told a few people on here to politley "BORE OFF"

Oh wait.... I think I just did.

Get your money on Huddersfield Wednesday if you think we are so shit, or do the unthinkable and back your fucking team.

I would bet good money come March if we are going well these cretins will be sitting at home twiddling their thumbs.

Rant over.... and deep breathes.
Joseph Strumm
72   Posted 22/08/2010 at 11:48:21

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Slower and even more predictable than last season,Pienaar looks half the player he was,i think we should cash in,thats if anyone wants him,and like someone else said N'Zogbia would be a great addition,anyone else sick of seeing our strikers isolated,with their back constantly to the goal?
Andy Crooks
73   Posted 22/08/2010 at 15:19:12

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Calm down Colin, people have differences of opinion and on a football site they can be harshly expressed. There's a lot on here ,particularly pre-season which annoys me,but stay on board and debate.
Tony Hughes
74   Posted 22/08/2010 at 15:44:58

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Andy Peers#31, 6-0 against huddersfield? haha,we will scrape through 1-0 with moyes dragging everybody back to defend corners after we score !!
Colin Noon
75   Posted 22/08/2010 at 15:56:47

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I Agree Andy, I have however decided not to post any more comments on TW. I shall also be less frequent visiting the site. Its beggining to annoy me. God help us all if we dont score 10 past Huddersfield Wednesday... I can just see it now

MOYES OUT.... WHAT HAS HE WON!!

OSMAN WAS ON THE BENCH... ITS HIS FAULT, IF HE WASNT ON THE BENCH THEN COLEMAN COULD OF CAME ON AS SUB AND SET UP 6 GOALS

BECKFORD HASNT SCORED YET... NOT UP TO IT AT THIS LEVEL

Blah, blah, blah

Chow
Colin Noon
76   Posted 22/08/2010 at 15:56:47

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I Agree Andy, I have however decided not to post any more comments on TW. I shall also be less frequent visiting the site. Its beggining to annoy me. God help us all if we dont score 10 past Huddersfield Wednesday... I can just see it now

MOYES OUT.... WHAT HAS HE WON!!

OSMAN WAS ON THE BENCH... ITS HIS FAULT, IF HE WASNT ON THE BENCH THEN COLEMAN COULD OF CAME ON AS SUB AND SET UP 6 GOALS

BECKFORD HASNT SCORED YET... NOT UP TO IT AT THIS LEVEL

Blah, blah, blah

Chow
Tony Hughes
77   Posted 22/08/2010 at 18:42:55

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Take your head out of your arse Colin!
Gerald Foo
78   Posted 23/08/2010 at 04:41:57

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I'm with Colin on this one. I think its bloody ridiculous how everyone thinks we're shite now cos of 2 games. 4-5-1 at home? Pathetic! Moyes Out!

What utter rubbish. And we call ourselves football fans?

4-5-1 in its variants is the de facto formation nowadays for top teams. Be it home or away. Its a more fluid system than the regular 4-4-2. Its less restrictive and harder to defend as players interchange positions regularly



Spain plays it. Germany plays it. Arsenal plays it. Liverpool plays it. Chelsea plays it. Barcelona plays it... etc etc etc

What we need to work on is getting our midfield closer to the 1 on top. Currently, we're too deep and isolating beckford/saha on top. It doesn't mean we're shite. it doesn't mean Moyes needs to go. It just means we need work. Plain and simple.

Get a grip people. In a couple of months time, we'll be back up and running and everything will be back to normal.
Stewart Littler
79   Posted 23/08/2010 at 11:29:08

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Sorry Colin and Gerald, I'm one of the 'positive' bunch as they might be called, but the fault for the poor start to the season lies squarely at the feet of the players and manager - and quite simply, we've not been good enough. The manager has, as other have quite rightly pointed out, picked the wrong team for both games (Bburn - why start Fellaini and Osman when thousands of us know they won't do the job required, Wolves - better first 11 but woeful and predictable substitutions) and the players - well, can anyone honestly say ANYONE played well on Saturday?

Both games have swung on a single minute - Howard's blunder cost 1 point on day 1 (0-0 if ever I seen one) - and the inability of a professional referee to see a stubs up challenge from 5 yards, coupled with a supposed top class striker having to turn back in cos he can only use one fuckin foot costing us 2 points on day 2. But for those, we'd be 'up there' with 4 points. However, these things will always happen in football, and we should have been out of sight by the time Wolves equalised. 8 shots on target is simply not good enough - some teams have scored more goals than that!!!

And to Kevin I think, who thought the challenge on Heitinga was fair and square - I say go and have another look fella - I sit in the Gwyladys too, and at the time thought he had caught him - when I saw it again on MOTD, it's quite clearly a yellow card offence - his studs are high and showing, and he makes contact with the top of JH's boot, before following through onto the ball. It was a similar challenge to the one that saw Cahill sent off in the WC. Coupled with the Arteta penalty wich was frankly laughable, it added up to a poor game for a referee who I have considered poor for quite some time.
Kevin Hudson
80   Posted 23/08/2010 at 13:35:33

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As requested,I watched it again,and think it looks worse than it is. I reckon the ref found no fault with it,as Guediora took the ball in one fluid motion - and continued running,whereas Johnny is static. The kid looked hungrier,and we dallied.

It's clearly not a foul,as he played the ball. His studs are always descending,and this demonstrates intent FOR THE BALL. Watching it again only re-inforces my view at the time that it was there to be won, it was a 50-50,and we bottled.

If that would have been Johhny making that tackle,we would have all jumped up; He would have been cheered (and sung) to the rafters,no question. We all applaud commitment when it suits us,(Neville v Ronaldo) Johnny didn't get studded or raked, so lets be even-handed about this.

No argument with the Arteta pen though,that one was poor.
Tony Hughes
81   Posted 23/08/2010 at 14:12:48

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gerard Foo, you for real? give us a couple of MONTHS and we will be up and running? yeah fine if all the other teams pack up playing and let us catch op eh?? jesus wept!!!!!
Ciarán McGlone
82   Posted 24/08/2010 at 12:20:39

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You know what winds me up about this site Colin... People 'moaning' about people moaning.....

If Moyes is making shit decisions and the players are playing shit, then we are entitled to voice our concerns. Last weekend, Moyes made shit decisions ? and they've been correctly identified on the above thread.

If you're happy with last Saturday's effort, then fair enough.

I'm not. And it pisses me off when someone suggests I'm not entitled to be pissed off.

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