Well... a point at Fulham? A first clean sheet. Some signs of improvement perhaps...
But Everton are now bottom of the league and our unfit lone striker Yakubu failed to score from numerous chances, while Beckford didn't even get a look-in.
At least Moyes tried something we've been crying out for: Coleman at Right midfield... and the lad looked good, especially getting to the byeline and crossing. But we need strikers to convert... and they just weren't doing it today.
Osman was dropped to the bench and looked a little better for it coming on for the final half-hour into the middle when Cahill was withdrawn... but it really should have been Beckford for two upfront.
Heitinga was dropped as well... some rumbling of discontent there(anyone able to elaborate?) while I thought Distin put in another good defensive display on the back aof a strong performance against Newcastle, suggesting that Man Utd was just one of those nightmare games.
To be honest it was a turgid game that was enough to give anyone ADD. Certainly not enough to inspire much confidence going forward... but the only way we can go now is UP!
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1 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:42:32
His substitutions are always like for like and don't change the game. I really fear for us and relegation is a distinct possibility.
2 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:43:32
3 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:40:51
Not to mention Moyes' OCD - must play Osman (wash hands), must play 4-5-1 (wash hands).
Bottom of the league, bottom of the league, Ee aye fuckin adio, etc.
4 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:44:38
5 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:46:41
6 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:46:50
In a season that they are like that, we have to be the bloody same.
Does anyone know how to get a copy of that devils contract because we could sure do with signing it.
7 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:54:29
8 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:05:57
9 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:10:49
10 Posted 25/09/2010 at 17:54:16
At least we got Seamus playing and the Guardian reported he was a bright spot in today's proceedings.
Can't help thinking Beckford would have converted one of Yak's chances.
Even the papers are saying Yak is slow and immobile.
All our talk about wanting joined-up football. Got to be careful what you wish for. We can't walk it into the net.
Put Beckford on and play to his strengths. Put some balls over the top and let him chase. But play them through from the midfield, not the back.
Please, please let us beat Liverpool. I feel like I'm clutching at straws.
11 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:21:23
12 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:10:12
As to your other analogy, I guess it's Moyes idea of 'sexy football' & at least it's marginally better than .... hoofing it straight up there, with no foreplay!
13 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:29:05
Sorry boys but I reckon were in the middle of another false dawn again watching the blues.
14 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:34:29
15 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:37:44
Seriously, do you think we won't beat either of these and stay bottom of the league? We either break the brummies record or we beat the shite, either way i'd put money on us winning before the next break.
16 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:37:42
Some cunt deffo needs fingering tho'.
17 Posted 25/09/2010 at 18:45:25
In different circumstances a point wouldn't have been that bad today, but we are bottom of the league after 6 games, the only team not to have won a game and haven't scored in 4 out of 6 games. Fucking embarrassing.
18 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:06:00
19 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:10:00
A new manager please...
20 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:08:18
Brian, 17, I agree, I don't think Beckford would have made a difference because of the way we play. Beckford can be excused for thinking WTF he was brought in for if his "strenghths" aren't going to be utilised.
Perhaps in December when Saha plays his first 30 minutes for us, our points total might have made it into double figures!
21 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:15:45
Truth is I am. Osman, who never scores, instead of Bily, who can produce out of nothing. Coleman finally gets a shot at right-mid after we have all thought it was a good idea for weeks.
I am embarrased, not because we are bottom but because our Manager is an idiot who will have a situation waved in front of him for months before he gets it.
Just take a walk Mr Moyes. You can not pick up that pay packet with any justification or dignity. Get lost!
22 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:21:54
23 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:18:58
Let him eat as much as he wants until the transfer window opens and let Beckford find his feet. I am so tired of seeing Yakubu lumber about doing nothing and missing chances I could put in with my you-know-what. The sooner we unload him to the lower half of the Championship where he belongs the better.
Bottom of the league? I don't think that even Walter Smith had us actually bottom. David Moyes: The time has come for you to go. Bill: the time has come for you to act.
24 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:29:14
25 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:34:21
Everton deserved to win.
Some assholes winge about 'buying' a 1st division player then moan when he isn't put on as sub. Fuckin clowns.
26 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:36:10
27 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:35:32
28 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:38:41
All the media talk is about Hodgson being under pressure across the park, never a mention about Moyes. Why is that?
Is it because they think Moyes is as good as we can get, or is it because everyone knows BK will never, ever sack him and Moyes will never walk.
Whatever way you dress it up, we are getting nowhere fast. Sick to death with hearing how we had most of the game, but couldn't score. It's as repetitive as an evening spent watching UK Gold.
Moyes has been worried about our strikers for a long time? Well why didn't he do something about it? He knew Saha was unreliable, he knew Yak would struggle to get over his injury, he knew Beckford would take time to adjust to the Prem.
I accept we never provide him with a penny to spend, so why didn't he generate funds by selling players in areas where we have cover? Personally I would've accepted us flogging Rodwell to Man Utd or Chelsea if the funds were spent on a Prem class striker coming in.
I don't think for a second we are going down, but with the Sunderlands and Fulhams of this world improving this year, and with West Brom and Newcastle proving to be a cut above the normal standard of promoted teams, I can easily see us slipping into the bottom half at the end of the season.
29 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:56:28
You will note that he seemes to be able to sign strikers that can actually score goals.
My only other thought is whether Moyes is going to leave us so far behind that it is impossible for the next manager to catch up.
30 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:44:17
As for Beckford. This asshole never moaned about signing a player from a lower league, but I do believe Moyes has damaging Beckford's confidence by failing to give him consistent playing time. He isn't going to acclimatize to the Premier League by watching from the bench.
And Yakubu is not going to get significantly better. He wants out.
Moyes had the nerve to imply Anichebe's prolonged absence is one of the reasons we are not scoring. I'm not that keen on Anichebe, but when he is available Moyes doesn't even use him as a striker. He sounds like Walter Smith, who used to claim that the absence of whoever was injured that week was the reason we lost. The following week, the excuse was the same but the name had changed.
31 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:06:14
Is this the Victor Anichebe who managed one goal all of last season?
32 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:04:28
He is confident we will get out of this mess but although it won't be anytime soon, but we will get out of it at some point.
I despair. God knows what the players make of that attitude. After over 24 years of supporting this club, I feel nothing but frustration, helplessness, anxiety, fury and apathy towards it.
Don't think I could go through another season with Moyes in charge. He needs to go or get someone in with attacking tactical nous to help him because he clearly hasn't a clue to go with the very basic 4-4-2.
Worrying times ahead indeed.
33 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:01:13
34 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:15:42
The supporters must mount a campaign to get rid of Moyes. if we are still bottom after the derby game then at home to Stoke must be an anti-Moyes barrage.
35 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:15:30
36 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:06:09
I'm not one to quote out of context, I have read your full post and respect your opinion, however,
"And Yakubu is not going to get significantly better. He wants out"
If you're Yak's mate, fair enough, but if not, that seems to be a wild form of speculation to me.
I was going to write an article relating to the causal link between Kenwright and Moyes but I don't think I'd do myself justice because I'm studying frantically at the minute and I'm thankful to take intermittant breaks on ToffeeWeb. In brief though, the first task is surely to get shot of Kenwright for someone who can invest in the team. Are successful billionaire investors known for pandering to incompetent managers? But give Moyes a chance, certainly. Andy et al could well be right. My loyalty is to Everton not Moyes.
Switch the causal link around, though. Moyes out before Kenwright. I can only see catastrophe ahead. Kenwright got lucky with Moyes. The man can not run a football club. We are already bottom of the league. Moyes, for all his faults, will build momentum again this season. We aren't playing that badly.
I wasn't calling you, or anyone in particular, an asshole. And I apologise to Chris Marston who I called a twat earlier. I thought we'd scored fuck's sake.
37 Posted 25/09/2010 at 19:55:30
This team has fired blanks in four out of six Prem games to date. Yakubu won't get enough goals to pull us out of the shit, Saha wasn't exactly knocking them in for fun before he was injured, and neither was Anichebe for that matter. There are not many coming from the midfield players either.
The only clean sheet we have kept this season (today) was against a team whose main strikers are all out injured and, as a consequence, are lacking fire power themselves, which was fortunate for Everton as our defence isn't looking too great at the moment either. Who the fuck is going to turn it around because, even though Moyes says this is his best squad he has had, I think we have become stale, predictable and totally lack pace.
Other managers have us well sussed now and have game plans on how to contain us and nullify our attack. So I ask again, who is going to pull us out of the shit because we are too good to go down... (Aren't we?)
38 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:27:36
You are spot on. However if he does get on he may not shoot. I remember somebody, I think it was Carsley after scoring against Birmingham, pointing out that they had been instructed not to shoot from outside the area.
I think we may not win the league now.
39 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:12:14
The players know it, supporters know it.
Anyone still waiting for the 10 games assessment?
40 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:27:54
We will not get relegated, Moyes is a good manager!!
We have the same team and management set up as last season. The same people that put together the amazing run we had from the turn of the year. Apart from City no other team in the league has really strengthened their side. Why is it now you all think we are so crap?
We have been unlucky in all but the Newcastle game. For people to say we should be playing 4-4-2 is ridiculous ? do you not remember what happened to England during the World Cup!? Unfortunately in modern football you have to make sure you win the battle in midfield (even Spain play like this ? they just have more forwards on the pitch, and better players) then make sure you can get support to your striker. In large parts we have been doing this, it just seems like everyone has left their scoring boots on holiday.
I have no doubt we will turn our form around and start climbing the table. A good result and performance against Birmingham then a home derby ? what more can you ask for? NSNO
41 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:30:45
Chris McCullough, I think the only way to remove BK from Goodison would be in a coffin and as such a replacement to DM would be the likes of Joe Royle short term but at least getting the fight back in the players and playing them where they should be on the park.
42 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:35:03
'We will not get relegated!'
Fan bloody tastic! Some of us aspire a little higher.
43 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:31:45
"We will not get relegated, Moyes is a good manager!!"
If I write a book summarising Davey's time at Everton may I use this as the title please?
44 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:41:32
When the new teams come up the pundits always say "I can't see where the goals will come from" ? well, neither can I with this team.
To make matters worse, Blackpool, West Brom and Newcastle have all had decent starts.
Due to the fact we fluffed our relatively easy start, the difficult fixtures ahead now take on greater significance.
Moyes has held yet ANOTHER CRISIS MEETING ? how many is that over the past 7 fucking years.
45 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:36:17
Find it amazing that so many fans actually seem to be biased against our team nowadays. Read the BBC report for a less biased version of the match.
As for the whole 4-4-2/4-5-1debate, could someone explain how 4-5-1 has suddenly turned into a bad formation this season having made us one of the best teams in the league second half of last season. Don't really see that playing two out-of-form strikers is going to make us into a better team than at the moment.
46 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:49:24
47 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:49:00
Playing one lone forward ? the painfully slow Yakubu - for the whole of the match, meant we all knew we were not going to score anything other than off a mistake for one of them, which never happened. Coleman did pretty well in the obvious position he's suited for, astonishingly subbed for the permanently ineffectual Billy on 88 mins (why?) whilst Osman coming on for Cahill, told you the extent of Moyes ambitions. MotM by a mile for me today, Pienaar, who never stopped running, made some important tackles and interceptions, and really looked like he gived a shit.
Unless Moyes comes up with a different system of play, soon, we're going down.
48 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:42:20
Christopher McCullough - Its all very well and good to get shut of Kenwrong, but for now your barking up the wrong tree. This performance and ineptitude of Moyse has fuck all to do with him.
Give Moyse even more money to waste..err not a chance.
The buck starts and stops with Moyse he is the guy in charge of the first team. It wouldnt matter what the fuck Moyse had for a team, it would be the exact same result.
1 Doesn't understand tactics period
2 Doesn't know how to change matches on the fly, absolutely fucking clueless comes to mind.
3 4-5-1 worked when the team picked itself due to injuries.
4 His reliance on favourite shit players.
5 Playing players out of position every single team selection.
6 Fails to see or understand simple situations that presented themselves the season before. Such as no fucking strikers. The bunch of shit we have are simply not good enough!!
7 Continuously playing shit teams in pre season, us hammering them and moyse saying we had a good pre season. Until they get twated by a superior team like Wolfsburg.
8 constant breaking of unwanted club records.
I could go on an on, and the facts speak for themselves. The mailaise of Everton Supporters those that can't and won't see the tree before the forest clearly don't give a rat's arse about what happens because they are happy with shit starts and finishing 6 or 7..what the hell has happened to this club and it's supporters?
It's time to wake up and kick this shower of shit out of the board room and the ginger minger ..we'll never win a thing. Id rather take a gamble and get a sugar daddy than die a very painful death as a club..did i mention we are dying? I wouldn't know what else to call it right now. Sometimes you get to a certain level then fuck it all up with stubborness and unwillingness to change the way you do things, in this case refusing to accept you have piss poor skills in tactics and clearly man to man issues.
It's time to get shot of both the board and the manager..all egotistical shitheads that will eventually kill us. Make absolutely no bones about it, we go down thats it for the club. Financially Everton could not survive outside the premiership thats a fact every one needs to take on board.
So get it together next home match time to get them all out.
49 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:58:54
50 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:04:51
Quote from Mark Hughes after the game:
"Everton showed that they're in a false position and it's clear they're a very good side.
"They're at the wrong end of the table but I don't anticipate that lasting for long.
"In most of the games I've seen of them on video and TV they've played well and had impact. They've been unlucky not to get more points.
"They probably just need a win to get them going again."
51 Posted 25/09/2010 at 20:50:21
The 4-5-1 formation may well have worked in the past - but it surely isn't working now. Is it any wonder that our strikers are out of form - Moyes can only with start with one of them after all. Which means that whoever is left on the bench will not be getting much " game time" as they say these days.
Beckford is very much a "rookie" at this level but he has my sympathy as playing the loan striker role is very demanding for even strikers of International experience let alone a player of such inexperience at this level. A really outstanding manager would recognise that. Moyes is a good manager - but just as some players are good but not good enough for a higher level such as Internationals so it is with some managers.
I hope Moyes can turn things around, but I am afraid that he will not be able to do so. We may well be seeing the limitations of his coaching/managerial ability. I think that we have a good squad - I don't hate Moyes I just simply believe that he is too cautious and too predictable and that another manager can get more out of the players.
I know that it is a different sport, but for several seasons Eddie O'Sullivan coached the Irish Rugby Team to near success in the 6 Nations - winning a couple of Triple Crowns - but missing out on the big one. Another coach - Declan Kidney - was appointed and with virtually the same squad won the Grand Slam (I am happy to say) in 2009. Clearly he was able to get more out of those players than the previous coach. I think it is the same with Everton, a different coach, with different tactics will get more out of the players.
52 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:08:37
53 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:10:12
Every fucking year we have the ginger minger fucking things up.
Get a grip? its you that needs to a grip on reality..we are truly fucked...and its because of Moyse end of and if you cant spot something so simple as that then you have serious problems.
54 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:08:54
55 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:07:36
56 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:07:54
57 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:05:49
I'm fucking sick of it, we get our hopes up, only for them to be shot down again in typical Moyes fashion.
I want to be challenging for top spot, never mind fucking 4th, winning trophies etc. You'll probalby be happy with a 8 - 10th place finish, harping on about how we've got no money etc, and that we should all be grateful to Moyes, telling us he's a genius for what he's done over the yrs, well andy, that was the past, this is the future, and we're shit. The man has had over 8yrs now, and we don't look no closer to a trophy.
One question Andy, when do you personally start questioning Moyes?
58 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:15:32
Don't know why we don't start most seasons off well, but I'd disagree that it's a lack of effort by the players (with a few exceptions) but we do seem to pick up after the early games. Funny how Moyes gets criticised when things go badly, but when he does well it's by doing the obvious things that anyone could see. You can't have it both ways!
59 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:13:46
Will all those who think Moyes is doing a brilliant job please accept the fact that he is not above criticism. I am critical of him - I don't hate the guy ok ?
60 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:03:41
Thought we dominated the first half whilst no making too many clear cut chances. Second half was a little more even in tems of attacking opportunities but Everton certainly had more chances on goal. On another day, one of those loose balls or scuffed shots by the Yak would have ended up in the net.
Some positives? Good performances from Coleman on the right, Pienaar was the most dangerous player on the pitch, Fellaini strong and commanding again.
Some negatives? No real firepower with Yakubu in this state, the realisation that it wasnt 'another day' and we cold have probably played for 180 minutes and no goal would have come, Arteta a bit anonymous, poor crosses and free kicks and corners...
61 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:37:34
62 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:31:50
I'm not saying Moyes is doing a brilliant job or we wouldn't be bottom of the league, just feel some of the criticisms on here are well over the top.
He's been manager of the year 2 (or 3?) times in his reign, whilst some people wouldn't necessarily agree with that, it does seem to suggest that he's not a bad manager, and he doesn't become a bad manager in the space of 6 games.
It's all very well demanding titles and silverware, but it just isn't that easy nowadays. The top teams are the ones that have the money that allows them to buy the best players, that's just the way the game is. I hate it as much as anybody, but that's just the way football has gone.
Leigh- think that's a fair summary a few positives, a few negatives, formation looking a bit better
63 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:37:36
64 Posted 25/09/2010 at 21:43:55
Don't be fooled by Managerial awards, longevity is the holy grail for these self serving LMA pricks.
They can't keep giving it to fergie and Wenger and football is filled with such unimaginative and incompetent fuckers that someone hanging on to their job just by avoiding relegation is meat and drink to these idiots.
Proffering the idea that football management is all about time, requiring an expert scrutineer to craft a blend of players who evolve into a top team is simplistic bollox.
The REAL ingredients of man management, inspiration and courage are rare enough globally let alone here.
They're as shifty as politicians, but get paid more.
65 Posted 25/09/2010 at 22:14:05
I have always thought Moyes has done a good job given what he has had to work with and we have got better each season.
But now based on his team selections and lack of tatical nouse not to mention the fact we are fucking bottom i think it's time for a change.
66 Posted 25/09/2010 at 22:49:11
67 Posted 25/09/2010 at 23:03:45
68 Posted 25/09/2010 at 23:02:55
Anyone daring to disagree with the current sentiment is branded an acolyte, or not having enough ambition for the club
Well what a load of fucking shite.
We are NOT going to get relegated and CAN still finish in the top 6 because there are 6 games gone, 32 to go, not the other way around.
There is a large section of the Evertonian community whose expectations for a good season was top 6, not top 4. Some of you here on Toffeeweb may not like these as "aspirations", but with the club not having enough money to offer Pienaar what he wants and to spend big in the transfer market (eg to bring Landon Donovan) this seems to have been a reasonable benchmark. We are being outspent by almost every other club and whilst this might be our best squad in a long time, it might just be because in the last 15 years we have had some truly shite players pull on the blue jersey.
Moyes DESERVES a break. He has brought plenty of good football over the last 3 seasons - we were excellent on the road to the cup final and played some excellent stuff last season (City, Chelsea, United).
69 Posted 25/09/2010 at 23:25:59
Seem to remember us having an equally bad or even worse start in the season we played in the CL (3 points off 8 or 9 games).
Still finished 11th that season, which is not ideal admittedly, but nowhere near the talk of relegation we're getting here. And we have a much better side now than we did then.
70 Posted 25/09/2010 at 23:37:29
We have a number of players back from serious injury and it may well be that at least one of them in Yakubu isnt going to be the same again, add to that the obvious and inescapable passage of time and that every last man in the squad is a year older, age doesn't make you any faster and as the Newcastle game brought to deadly focus, we appear to have little or no pace whatsoever in the squad or players with pace sadly so far from their optimal positions to be able to do anything about it.
In precis the "better side now" isnt playing the same sides or players they played then guys and games we played last season mean jack shit right now with Everton rooted to the bottom of the league and the only side in all divisions not to have won a game yet.
71 Posted 26/09/2010 at 00:36:04
My sentiments exactly. There seems to be apathy and an all too easy acceptance of the current situation from some Everton fans at the moment. Moyes must be the only manager in the Premier League who has previously overseen repeated periods of horrific form and abysmal results without ever coming under the slightest bit off pressure from the fans, the board, or the media. Even following the midweek cup games Roy Hodgson is slated for the RS getting knocked out and is accused of overseeing a crisis of 'his own making'. Moyes, on the other hand, emerges unscathed and recieves no criticism or blame whatsoever from the media for the shambolic start to the season and defeat at Brentford. He's far too comfortable and secure at the club for my liking with his boss Bill constantly fawning all over him.
Yes , overall, he's done a decent job in his time at the helm but that doesn't mean we owe him eternal gratitude and must constantly grant him free pass when things go drastically wrong
72 Posted 26/09/2010 at 02:11:28
73 Posted 26/09/2010 at 02:08:04
74 Posted 26/09/2010 at 04:08:44
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;
This just Moyes making a point to "Black Bill" about being forced to take a "free" striker from the 3rd division instead of bring some quality in. If we'd have had the 4 million it cost for Kirkby "expert" fees then we might have got someone decent.
We'll be climbing the table soon.
75 Posted 26/09/2010 at 06:20:12
The striker issue is acute however. And Moyes needs to have a look at what midfield players actually score goals. And Bily is one of those players. Play him in the center and take the hit that he is clueless defender who often loses the ball. Either that or start playing Beckford with the Yak.
The current formula will not get us goals.
76 Posted 26/09/2010 at 06:28:20
I'd imagine most of those who actually watched the game saw some things to be encouraged about (at least that was the case with me). If the team plays like they did today, we will not go down. It is just sad that we are reduced to that conversation already.
The striker issue is acute however. And Moyes needs to have a look at what midfield players actually score goals. And Bily is one of those players. Play him in the center and accept that he is a clueless defender who often loses the ball. Either that or start playing Beckford with the Yak.
The current formula will not get us goals.
77 Posted 26/09/2010 at 09:39:47
78 Posted 26/09/2010 at 11:21:28
79 Posted 26/09/2010 at 10:55:34
He now seems so completely crippled by a terminal overcautiousness, that I now can't see his outlook ever changing.
We're searching for our first win, struggling for goals, and yet we've not had more than one striker on the pitch at ANY point this season.
Oh, and that's at the most of course, pioneer that he is of the 4-6-0 , we've already had our first glimpse of that this season.
And this is all with the best squad I've ever seen.
80 Posted 26/09/2010 at 11:24:49
Isen't that what relegation tipped ( I know wer'e not tipped to go down )teams say every season, lets reach safety, and see what happens after that?
So, we've gone from a team who is supposed to be challenging top 4, to a team who needs to concentrate on getting to the magic 40pts mark.
81 Posted 26/09/2010 at 11:56:23
The first part of your post I dont understand. If every other PL team has spent more than us to stand-still, presumably we have gone backwards with our under investment, correct?
Should we fire the manager for this? Given his budget, who do you think he could have brought in to take us forward?
82 Posted 26/09/2010 at 12:51:13
It wasn't Kenwright that spent £8 million on an unknown Russian rather than signing a top class Dutch midfielder for the same fee. It wasn't Kenwright's fault we are in this complete mess. If Moyes is going to take responsibility for when we do well, he's also got to take the blame when we're doing badly. I completely support the Board's reluctance to give him money as he would've only brought in another right back or another defensive midfielder. Moyes could've sold less essential players to fund transfers, but he didn't.
83 Posted 26/09/2010 at 14:42:50
Moyes transfer record is one of his strengths. His coaching and tactical nous may rightly be under scrutiny given the current poor results, but no one can doubt that the bloke has unearthed more gems than lemons in his transfer policy.
84 Posted 26/09/2010 at 15:40:42
Is this the same David Moyes who bought Lescott for a few million and held out for 24 million when the board would have accepted 15 million.
Is this the same Russian, who by the way is an international so how can you call him unknown, who everyone was raving about last season saying he's going to be another Fellaini.
As Amit says you can criticise Moyes for tactics, team selection, and late substitutions but his transfer record stands against anyone.
Anyhow how do any of us know what the deal was for Billy and/ or others. Maybe one of the criteria from the board was low wages demands.
We cannot afford a Drogba,Torres or Tevez and that quality of striker makes a significant difference.
85 Posted 26/09/2010 at 15:44:26
Personally I think David Moyes would be happy with an 11 made up of a goalkeeper and 10 workhorse type outfield players. He is beginning to remind me of a latter day version of Gordon Lee and I seriously worry about that. Billy is a skillful player - who Moyes appears to have very little idea how to use/get the best out of. I bet if the lad had signed for say Arsenal, he would be playing to his full potential/near his full potential now. I wonder if a player like Kevin Sheedy would have fitted in with David Moyes tactics ? I would say probably not.
86 Posted 26/09/2010 at 17:32:21
Amit, Billy has spent most of his time of the bench during his time at Everton.
87 Posted 26/09/2010 at 18:23:21
''Didn't watch the game. That's a first for me in years. I simply could not take another defeat after the Brentford embarrassment. Things have become oh so predictable under DM. It's just depressing''
So predictable, eh? What an idiot you are - you predicted a loss, but it ended up a draw.
That is so typical of the hysterical over-reaction on here. Iam not for one minute saying I am happy with the start, but this defeatist claptrap I'm reading would only be appropriate if we were taking 4 and 5 goal beatings every week.
The people asking Moyes to ' grow some balls' should maybe heed their own advice and stop panicking.
88 Posted 26/09/2010 at 21:47:46
isnt that the whole point.
Moyes has never had the luxury of Appy Arry, Benitez or even Martin Oneill and yet he still managed to compete with them and over his tenure (except for the devil's children) he has finished above them in most seasons.
89 Posted 27/09/2010 at 07:23:26
Every match or at least in 95% of our matches he plays a lone striker - the fact that we have failed to score in 4 out of our 6 Premier league matches surely tells us that it is time to be a bit more adventurous. Fellani may be able to do a job upfront in an injury emergency - but when you have specialist strikers available - surely they should be played !!!
I think that that the system of playing a lone striker has done no favours to either Yak or Beckford. One missed nearly a year due to injury and the other is inexperienced at Premier League level. The role of lone front man is demanding enough for a player of international class - at the top of their game, let alone for a bloke coming back from a serious injury and for an inexperienced player.
In the Gordon Lee era the manager would be prepared to leave out Duncan McKenzie and play Jim Pearson!! or even at times Telfer. Both these guys were decent players but had nowhere near the same level of skill as McKenzie. I fear that Moyes is showing the same attitude and sacricing skill for workrate. If you are going to win games you have to have one or two "flair players".
90 Posted 27/09/2010 at 12:07:27
He may have brought in strikers and reduced them to impotence through poor tactics, but has the club lost serious amounts of cash on the buying and selling of front players?
- Beattie - bought for £6m sold for £4.5m
- McFadden - bought for £1.5m sold for £5m
- Bent - bought for £500k sold for £2.5m
- Johnson - bought for £8.5m sold for £10m.
I make it that the club has made a profit, even on selling strikers.
91 Posted 27/09/2010 at 14:02:54
As regards the issue of his tactics, I think there is a link to some of his signings - over the last year or so I confess to having less than the usual sense of anticipation when we have been linked with attacking/creative players. I have come to expect that such players will be used "from the bench".
I hope that I am wrong, but I see a certain parallel with Gordon Lee back in the late 1970's. He brought in Dave Thomas as well as Mick Pejic and George Wood and we had a team that finished 3rd and looked capable of going on to great things. However, Lee's downfall was his preference for players who had a good workrate and he sacrificed too much creativity in favour of workhorse players like Geoff Nulty. You need to have some flair players in your team if you are going to win things.
I see David Moyes going the same way - he brings on Osman on Saturday for Cahill with about 30 minutes to go, leaving Bilyaletdinov on the bench until there's less than 5 minutes to go. Moyes has got to be more adventurous - I think failing to score in 4 out of our 6 games so far proves my point. If he doesn't change then we will be in for a season of struggle.
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