Says it all really. Thoroughly depressing. I wrote a summary for anyone interested, it's in the Match Report file.
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1 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:10:47
2 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:11:55
3 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:15:55
I have been depressed by much about Everton recently but today's game was a rare bright spot. The performance deserved more and gave hope for the future.
By the way, I love Coleman's attitude!
4 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:14:00
5 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:14:51
14 attempts on goal, two or three very good saves from Fabianski, and two absolutely glorious chances missed (one by Cahill and one by Rodwell).
We matched Arsenal for most of the game (possession says 47-53 in their favour) and they were defending desperately in the last ten minutes, flinging bodies in the way and occasionally hacking the ball just anywhere as we pressed.
Yeah, it is depressing that we lost, whatever happened in the game, but football can hang on fine margins, and a little bit of different luck, and taking chances when they came and that game would have been a completely different story.
PS> Not to mention the red card Squillaci should have got but didn't.
6 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:20:23
Take it Tom, you only caught the last 10mins of the game then?
Also, Johnny could have been easily sent off, before he got booked, he could have easily been booked for 2 lunges virtually one after the other.
7 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:19:37
8 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:23:59
9 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:19:29
Sure we play neatly, but noone really fears that we will score against them.
Arteta was absolute rubbish today, Baines well below his usual standards and Pienaar is the prince of inefficiency.
For me Pienaar is the symbol of this neat but ultimately useless side.Tricks to deceive, but never there to provide actual cutting edge.
And why do Everton continue until the game is lost before any attacking play with conviction actually happens? Most probably because Arsenal decided that the game was over at 75 minutes. Everton would never score twice in 15, even without the Arsenal players running.
Rant over, fucking miserably sods....
10 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:25:38
Also, why is he even sill an option at corners and free kicks?
11 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:25:02
12 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:30:56
13 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:23:41
This season, we're not working as hard and our defence is not tight. Other managers with limited budgets have followed Moyes' methods and just working hard now doesn't get you results. We are far far too slow in the final 3rd hence we never look like scoring. Moyes doesn't have the tactical nouse to sort this out especially considering this is apparently his strongest squad.
We'll be okay in that we won't go down but we can't have ambitions beyond mid table with Moyes in charge. I wrote a piece last season saying Moyes was his own glass ceiling. I got a lot of crticism for it but I still think that is the case. He really has taken us as far as he can.
14 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:34:49
15 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:30:25
Some things that really irritated were the stupid short corners. Even the idiotic pundits on sky were questioning it with Arsenal's weakness in the air and a dodgy keeper.
Subs again wasted from Moyes to little to late. Why even have the two arguably form strikers on the bench. It would surely have made sense to play beckford while his confidence is at its highest.
It's annoying to keep harping on about the manager but it really is the same old mistakes from Moyes. Getting very boring.
16 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:32:09
17 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:33:42
(i) I was such a cock that I would offer a view on a game having only seen 10 mins or
(ii) Having seen the game, I'm such a fool that I'm completely unable to form a valid opinion.
Both of these are insults.
Additionally, your response to Mike simply says " you are wrong" without any reasoning to back it up.
Please offer your own views on the game rather than sitting in judgement of others.
18 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:36:31
In that game Fellaini and Pienaar where in the middle.
Thats what we should get back too when Fellaini is back from suspension.
I have noticed a few times this season but Arteta looks so slow and lethargic.
19 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:34:45
20 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:42:46
21 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:44:55
22 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:47:32
23 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:49:27
24 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:39:13
Arteta was woeful, and should have been brought off earliar, he also played a part in the 2 goals we conceded. We hoofed it up time after time, even though the 2 lads at the back for Arsenal were winning everything in the air.
When we had the ball in midfield, the ball either went sideways or backwards, or was just twatted up.
Moyes should have changed thing up front earliar, because the game was crying out for it, and if he had done, we may have nicked a point, but as usual he leaves it too late.
IMO, the game has to be viewed over the 90+ mins, and Arsenal strolled it for 80 of those, and made us look very ordinary.
25 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:43:04
When Moyes threw on the Yak and Beckford I knew the game was up. Not because of what I think of them as players- I love Yak and Beckford seems to be showing signs of finally adapting- but because it was the act of a desperate manager who'd run out of ideas and clutching at straws. Moyes yet again shows his lack of tactical suss.
Heitinga, once again, shows himself to be a wild liability, and his Barcelona fantasies are as unrealistic as the £75k we're paying Arteta. Like Saha, since bagging a lucrative contract Mikel's looked uninterested and unmotivated, and his lethargy seems to be summed up by his godawful dead balls and uninspired sideways passing. Very worrying indeed. If it weren't for the spirit of Coleman, Jagielka and the tireless Baines there'd be little to give me any pride.
"Managing Everton will always be a battle", eh Dave? You should try watching Everton with a bunch of Red Bulled Arsenal fans- by far the most graceless supporters I've ever come across. Pricks.
26 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:55:27
27 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:53:02
We were much closer to them than I expected today. I honestly believe we would have won that game if Webb had got his decisions on Sagna correct.
I have been very worried about Everton this season but today has played a part in cheering me up. We are not that far away from Arsenal which means we are much better than I thought we were.
I'm fucked off because of our crap start to the season but we have got better, and I am starting to believe we will get better still and that we might be able to salvage something from this season.
However, worried about the return of Fellaini. The jury is still out on him for me. If he returns to the first choice starting line up after his suspension it will be, for me, at best "a risk".
28 Posted 14/11/2010 at 16:59:01
29 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:07:59
For whay it's worth, I thought it was a close game that could've gone either way.
30 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:11:40
Is the blame at Kenwrights door?
31 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:13:06
32 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:10:16
Heitinga's recklessness forced Moyes's hand today, because if he hadn't subbed him he was a certainty to be sent off. This meant he had to drop an unfit Rodwell into a tough game, as well as limiting his tactical options for later in the game.
Mind you, tactical options are things that Moyes doesn't seem too worried about anyway.
33 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:14:53
David #29- I think there's quite a bit of grey area between how you seem to define positive and negative here.
Yes, we had 3 attackers on, but with no fucker to give the ball to them from midfield I'm not sure how this was an entirely positive move. Wouldn't it have been better to put one attacker on, and give the 'secret weapon' guaye a run down the wing?
34 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:13:46
He as a chairman has lied time and time again, he does not represent the club as a business person, and anyone who thinks EFC is their own hobby is totally out of their depth. We are not gonna move forward and progress any further until new investment comes into the club and it'll only mean two things:
1) Current players that are sought after at the club will move on;
2) We will fall further down the pecking order, behind the likes of Stokes, Brum, Wolves and one or two others.
35 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:01:05
Bad luck, the usual poor finishing, and a good goalie cost us a point today. However, DM appears totally confused about his best striker options ? why drop the Yak when he appeared to be getting back to form, and why not start with Beckford after his stunning midweek goal? I hope he changes things for the winnable game at Sunderland and finally starts with Beckford and Yak.
36 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:07:22
Arteta is playing much too deep and therefor is having no impact... he was much better playing a leader's role further upfield and making chances. Now, he is having no impact and just plays short easy passes... Pienaar is doing all the running and dribbling and although he makes mistakes he covers more ground than anyone in our side.
I reckon we played as well as we could against a very good Arsenal team... Fabianski made some great saves and their defence had to play well.
Heitinga is a liability and is to my mind the poorest player in a physical Dutch team. He had to be subbed otherwise he would have been sent off as his tackling is diabolical.
The truth is, we have a set of mediocre Premier League players who DM gets the best out of; we are no where near being top four contenders, and if we did get into Europe we would not be competitive against the best teams.
Until we get some investment, we will be a mediocre, hard-working, difficult to beat as a mid-table side and that is all!!
Having been lucky enough to see real EFC teams, I can speak from experience... I reckon DM has taken us as far as he can with the lack of finances. If we don't get some money from somewhere, this is as much as we can expect.
37 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:18:12
I agree that, on his day, Fellaini is devastating. More than that, he certainly had a spell when he was "having his day" quite regularly.
Fellaini has had more bad games than good games. Ignoring the first half of his time with us would probably swing the balance to more good than bad but why is that? I don't know. Maybe, he needed time to play himself in and get strong in which case will he need to do that again? Do he have to go through the dross again before we get the good stuff? Is he an up-and-down player that just happened to have a whole load of bad games back to back and, at a different time, a string of good games back-to-back? I don't know.
What I do know is that in his favoured position of DM you need someone who performs week in, week out. Up front you can have players who are occaisionally brilliant but you cannot afford that in defence, in goal or at DM.
If we are going to play him for a while to help him get his match fitness and form back, then we probably have to accept that during that time he is not going to be reliable, which is a risk.
However, I agree that Heitinga is not having a good season and I'm not sure Rodwell is much less of a risk than Fellaini.
I don't have the answer. I hope that Moyes has the answer or gets lucky.
All I know is that Fellaini's return is making me nervous.
38 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:24:18
Distan was static with the first goal , because he thought Arteta would get back to cover the ball holder. It looked like time had stood still, very pedestrian. They got a lucky nutmeg twice for their second. A bit of luck and we'd have got something. Depressing result, a decent display.
Arteta is really starting to worry me.
39 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:29:25
I'm suprised that he put Beckford & the Yak on with Saha today as up till the last 5mins we couldn't get the ball to them.
I would have put Beckford & Gueye on in place of Arteta & Saha .
40 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:37:59
41 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:43:12
42 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:43:09
43 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:43:41
Arteta needs to be dropped untill he realizes he's not the best thing to happened Everton. Don't get me wrong, I like him but think he's playing like he thinks he's too good for us. I would play Pienaar, Rodwell and Fellaini in midfield when all available.
44 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:39:32
45 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:02:43
46 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:09:04
47 Posted 14/11/2010 at 17:31:10
I'm watching this surreal stuff with detachment now just waiting for the end of the season and Moyes to go.
As an aside can we have more people saying it was a close game and give Moyes time or be careful what you wish for or my present favourite we're not a mid table side.
Similar delusional bollocks much appreciated. I need a laugh.
48 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:15:14
49 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:28:32
50 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:30:50
51 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:25:18
52 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:17:15
Hats off to Coleman, Cahill and Distin who were pulling their tripe out and Pienaar, though ineffective, can't be blamed for that atrocious display. As soon as you see 'Sicknote' Saha starting ahead of the Yak, you just know we're going to struggle to score.
I'm afraid we approached the game too cautiously, the subs came on too late, again, and we waited till we were two down and there was less than ten minutes to go before we went for it. There was also a very subdued atmosphere in the ground today, almost an acceptance and resignation of how shite we are....
I'm afraid it's time to get rid of the dead wood and start a rebuild: Saha, Heitinga and Bily must be first out the door; give Pienaar what he wants because, without his creativity, we will have nothing as Arteta looks finished. Dark times ahead.
53 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:45:20
54 Posted 14/11/2010 at 18:23:11
Correct me if i'm wrong about a certain rule in football.
If an attacking player beats the last man and is now in, or could have a one on one with the goalie and is fouled then the offending player is shown a straight red.
The reason I say this is because not only did this happen today at goodison but it also happened at Chelsea against a Sunderland attacker.
In both games the offending players were only given yellows.
Last week Gary Neville should have walked but was allowed to stay on.
If anyone thinks that at sometime in the future that video replays will be introduced then think again.
FIFA say they will look at the matter again. No they wont. And the reason for this is that it doesn't make marketing sense to have a world cup final starring S.Korea v Austrailia.
On a lower level we cant have rules like "last defender" etc getting in the way of the Sky three marketing machine. Can we.
I find this highly sinister, and well done Sunderland.
55 Posted 14/11/2010 at 19:22:33
How the Goodison faithful screamed and bayed for retribution when Pienaar was apparently fouled on the edge of the Arsenal penalty area but it looked to me that he went down far too easily, and not for the first time in the game he had "over-elaborated". A pity because, apart from this, and his wonderful goalscoring chance, I thought he had played well.
56 Posted 14/11/2010 at 19:23:01
But hey it's Arsenal, total football and all that. Oh yeah, bottom of the Fair Play League but sod that, they are the Sky 3 boys.
Only problem I've got with us today: centre midfield. Moyes has to now say to Arteta, "right son, next two games, Fellaini is coming right back in. You show me how much you want it, or you're the one making way."
Rodwell has to start instead of Johnny. Gut feeling is to give Beckford a go, maybe it's just frustration with Saha talking. To give us stick, however for today as a team and the manager is unfair. Very unlucky today.
57 Posted 14/11/2010 at 19:42:08
Just a small point, why was Pienaar in the middle? Why was he not with Baines on the left? Was it a tactic by Moyes? As it goes Pienaar played great today but him and Baines are an effective weapon down the left.
What is the matter with Arteta? I haven't seen him play this lethargic since his groin problem. Is the old injury back?
58 Posted 14/11/2010 at 19:44:16
The Authority of the Referee
Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce
the Laws of the Game in connection with the match to which he has
Powers and Duties
? enforces the Laws of the Game
? controls the match in cooperation with the assistant referees and,
where applicable, with the fourth offi cial
? ensures that any ball used meets the requirements of Law 2
? ensures that the players? equipment meets the requirements of
? acts as timekeeper and keeps a record of the match
? stops, suspends or abandons the match, at his discretion, for any
infringements of the Laws
? stops, suspends or abandons the match because of outside
interference of any kind
? stops the match if, in his opinion, a player is seriously injured and
ensures that he is removed from the fi eld of play. An injured player
may only return to the fi eld of play after the match has restarted
? allows play to continue until the ball is out of play if a player is, in
his opinion, only slightly injured
? ensures that any player bleeding from a wound leaves the fi eld
of play. The player may only return on receiving a signal from the
referee, who must be satisfi ed that the bleeding has stopped
? allows play to continue when the team against which an offence
has been committed will benefi t from such an advantage and
penalises the original offence if the anticipated advantage does
not ensue at that time
? punishes the more serious offence when a player commits more
than one offence at the same time
? takes disciplinary action against players guilty of cautionable
and sending-off offences. He is not obliged to take this action
immediately but must do so when the ball next goes out of play
Page 121 of the LOAF
Denying a goal or a goal-scoring opportunity
There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent
an obvious opportunity to score a goal. It is not necessary for the offence
to occur inside the penalty area.
If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity and a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent?s
handling the ball or fouling an opponent, the player cannot be sent
off but he may still be cautioned.
Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding
whether to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring
? the distance between the offence and the goal
? the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
? the direction of the play
? the location and number of defenders
? the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an
indirect free kick
Hope this helps
59 Posted 14/11/2010 at 20:05:09
60 Posted 14/11/2010 at 20:12:36
I've not seen a queue of other clubs wanting to pay big money for our 'stars', and they only want Pienaar because he'll cost nothing.
61 Posted 14/11/2010 at 20:11:46
Whoever complained we play hoofball, again, not borne out by the possession stats. We play a mixed game that sometimes goes long and sometimes, frankly, passes the ball about too much backwards and sideways instead maintaining forward momentum. Another day, a bit more luck, and a correct refereeing decision on Squillaci might have had things differently today.
And comparing us to Sunderland getting a result is pointless. We won our derby 2-0, they lost theirs 5-1, do you want to swap? You might as well compare us unfavourably to whichever team gets the best result that week. That way if we win 3-0 you can always complain that someone else won 4-0 and you'll never run out of things to moan about.
62 Posted 14/11/2010 at 20:23:09
Dont forget that Refs allow play to carry on if an advantage is gained or will bring play back to the original spot where the offence took place if no advantage is gained.
Webb did not allow this.
So for me, and I maybe on my own here, but Webb failed us twice there within the same piece of play.
63 Posted 14/11/2010 at 20:30:38
And so say all of me.
64 Posted 14/11/2010 at 21:15:37
Stoke score a perfectly good goal the other week, but we get the decision, and get the 3pts. The Yak is offside when Arteta scores in the derby, but we get the decision in our favour. It's swings and roundabouts, some you get, some you don't. The problem is we only remember the ones we don't get.
65 Posted 14/11/2010 at 21:58:04
At least Felli can play a bit but Heitinger cannot for my money.
If people would only remove their blue tinted glasses and watched properly then they might have a balanced view of the games we take part in.
Brian waring has made good unbiased points as he is a fan who 'SEES things that may be unpalatable to fanatics but are nevertheless pretty obvious.
I honestly think that DM has taken this team as far as his money constraints allow...we will have difficulty hanging on to players with value as every young footballer dreams of winning trophies if he has ambition.
I admire Pienar for playing his heart out every week even though he wants away...Im afraid that Arteta is not the player he was before his injury and a rest may do him good.
I would bench him for a couple of games and drop Bily and Heitinger to the reserves....Put a couple of youngsters on the bench to freshen up the team as they may blossom like Coleman and Rodwell if they are given a chance.
66 Posted 14/11/2010 at 22:13:45
I saw the disallowed Stoke goal too. The way matey smashed into the back of Baines reminded me of a test crash car hitting a wall at 90 mph.
As for Webb and Johnny, that would be the difference between how Webb perceived the tackles and a direct rule of football law. Like I said it happened in the Chelsea game.
Two red card incidents, fouls given, two of the top Sky clubs on the same bloody day. I dont know about anyone else but a little bit to coincidental for my liking.
67 Posted 14/11/2010 at 22:26:57
Not hard that is it!
We can look about for people to point the finger at but at the end of the day Arsenal came to Goodison and did enough to win. End of story.
It's not like we just got our arse handed to us by the likes of Stoke is it?
68 Posted 14/11/2010 at 22:35:16
Just also please can you then go on to explain the "Rules" of Football and the sourcebook-if there is one?
Then just have a quick look at post 58
CTL C CTL V
69 Posted 14/11/2010 at 23:05:19
Or, you're not being sarcy by any chance. Ohhhh (58), like..... what? You're really super smashing marvellous at cut and paste. Wow.
Well mate, we all know the rule change re- offside.
As far as the last defender. Dont need a rule book mate. I obviously didn't see the same game as you today.
Whats with the CTL C. stuff.
70 Posted 14/11/2010 at 22:08:44
Tom, Fellaini was by far the best player on the pitch on Wednsday night. He looked a class above everybody else in a blue shirt until his moment of madness. If he was playing today there is no way Arsenal would have been able to constantly drive, unobstructed, through the middle of the pitch.
As for Arteta, you may as well shove a metal pole through his sides and rotate the fucker because he's currently showing the mobility and drive of a table footballer. Every pass is simply laid off sideways or backwards and he seems to need three or four touches before performing that simple task. Goals against Utd and the RS temporarily masked the fact he's having a minge of a season so far. Today was the first game I can remember where some sections of the crowd seemed to be losing patience with him.
71 Posted 15/11/2010 at 00:13:47
Hopefully the old adage "form is temporary class is permanent" will prove to be the case.
72 Posted 15/11/2010 at 01:24:21
It's GeekSpeek for "Copy & Paste"
73 Posted 15/11/2010 at 09:01:21
If there was a proven Premier League footballer going on a free, who we knew would slot straight into our side, bust a gut every game, has massive potential to increase commercial revenue, and would improve our style of play, we would be screaming for him to be signed. He's not greedy and he's not being unreasonable in asking for parity with a player he's been head and shoulders above all season.
74 Posted 15/11/2010 at 09:27:15
75 Posted 15/11/2010 at 09:06:35
Sagna should have gone, there were four stand-out yellow card incidents with him in the second half but Webb shit out. He didn't shit out of booking the new lad Coleman, did he though?
As an inept a display of referring I have seen in a long while.
Doesn't detract from the fact that they were simply better than us though.
76 Posted 15/11/2010 at 13:00:24
77 Posted 15/11/2010 at 18:13:41
I was thinking about the Arteta goal in the Utd game.
Anyway it was Reina's fault if he couldn't take a joke. Also I wish the Yak would interfere a bit more often in the box and score some bloomin' goals.
Anyway mate thanks for putting me right !!
78 Posted 15/11/2010 at 18:38:33
You're right about the decisions in the other games though, particularly the Stoke one, although half the goals they do score involve fouls by one of them at some point.
79 Posted 15/11/2010 at 20:15:27
How many times have we all posted on this site about Arteta in the big matches? That was a game for him to control with the wings being stuffed all day long. But, he was so deep and so far away from the ball it was almost comical. There were times in his best playing days were he would come to the ball and demand it, but yesterday he sat about as far back as possible and I think his play allowed Arsenal to open us up and score.
His cover on the first goal was abysmal, and whoever devised the short corner should now be shot. I was also amazed at the lack of quality from Saha. Can he get one shot on target? Please?
80 Posted 15/11/2010 at 20:33:04
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