It was pretty much the same old story of Everton's poor season so far....
Everton returned to Goodison Park hopefully brimming with confidence and a burning intent to build on a promising second-half performance at Chelsea last Saturday. Mikel Arteta served the second of his three-match suspension while there were fitness doubts over Pienaar, Heitinga and the Saha. This should have meant Moyes would be forced to allow the Fellaini-Rodwell partnership to continue, with Yakubu or Beckford (but surely not both!) starting up front?
But no... Saha was declared fit, and astoundingly given a starting place. Pienaar was also declared fit so it was the same team that played so poorly in the first half at Chelsea. Cahill looked to have a great chance in the first minute but could not put his foot through it from a position well outside the 6-yard area. Cahill then won a free-kick that was well delivered by Baines toward Fellaini and the Blues eventually got their first corner that was also delivered well and ended with Coleman firing over from distance.
A great cross from Pienaar after good work from Baines was just fractionally ahead of Saha's strecthing header. Neville's first involvemnt was a poor challenge that gave away a dangerous free-kick and a booking in the 6th minute! N'Zogbia could not beat the Everton wall. Wigan won another corner that ended with Rodallega getting his head on a cross but putting it wide. Baines again swung in a brilliant free-kick that was perfectly placed onto Fellaini's head but he got it completely wrong and missed a clear chance to open the scoring.
Baines was controlling the Everton play, and Saha should have done better on a deep cross to the far post. Wigan looked to press and N'Zogbia got in a very dangerous ball from the byeline right across the Everton 6-yard box that was not converted. Everton were struggling by 20 mins to impose any kind of shape on the game, Cahill's niggles were not escaping the attention of referee Michael Oliver.
Cleverly was causing Everton problems down the right and Pienaar's ankle-tap saw him earn the second yellow card from an overly fussy referee. Some shocking touches from the Blues players Fellaini, Coleman, and Saha brought anxious jeers from the Everton crowd who were getting noticabley frustrated with what they were watching. When Everton did get some worthwhile possession, they overplayed it. A chance did come though, a header from Rodwell that was very unfortunately intercepted on it's way into the net.
Some better pressure from Everton still lacked the final ball as intricate plays seemed destined to fail through close attantion from their Wigan counterparts. Pienaar and Baines though suffered a rare lack of understanding at crucial moments. Poor examples of Everton caught in possession with no idea what to do with the ball when in good advanced positions were particularly frustrating. Fellaini got a great ball across the face of goal but just a few feet too far ahead of the lunging Cahill. Thomas and Pienaar clashed briefly after going for the same ball.
More stuttering Everton pressure around the Wigan area just before half-time should have lead to at least one shot on goal but didn't, summing up the frustration of another very unappealing half of football at Goodison Park.
Saha was allowed to continue after the break, Everton winning an early corner that came to nothing. Then a brilliant run from Coleman, but the ball in to Cahill was poor and Cahill was offside. Pienaar then had a good poke on a nice pass from Saha but it was saved by Al Habsi. Everton won more corners then Jagielka was in on a Baines ball but the keeper saved it. Pienaar and Cahill repeated the move with the same result. More intricate play saw Saha flick the ball back into Cahill's path but the Aussie couldn't get a clean shot and drove it wide.
10 minutes of sustained Everton pressure came to nothing and it was Wigan's turn to threaten. Then Saha got his half-chnace with a great throughball that was perhaps too direct from Pienaar and when he finally did shoot, it was straight at the keeper. Then a crucial moment in the game: a cross from Saha that Cahill headed brilliantly but only onto the post... Coleman scampering through but screwed up his shot/cross, quickly followed by a chance for Pienaar that he drove over.. chance after chance after chance... but still no score. The hour mark and Moyes, right on cue, in his incredible predictability, subbed Saha for Beckford.
Coleman again put in a great run but the cross was too high and away from everyone as Wigan were rocking on their heels. But the substitution of anything spoilt Everton's greatly improved rhythym and the game looked to sink back into its scrappy first-half pattern. The troublesome Thomas was removed by Martinez in favour of McArthur, to save a second yellow.
Beckford then typified the Everton problem, winning a Jagielka hoof in a good forward position but having only six Wigan players and no Everton players anywhere near him.
Pienaar walked off, with Victor Anichebe coming on to a chorus of boos, having refused a lucrative new Everrton contract, according to the Daily Mail. Another wonderful set-up, Baines clipping it in to Fellaini whose header was easily saved by Al Habsi. A good forward move followed and Beckford got behind the Wigan defence but was adjudged to have made his run a fraction too soon (an incredibly marginal decision that should have gone in his favour) and his nice finish was called back for offside.
Jagielka was called upon to prevent an almost certain goal from Diame as spaces opened up in teh Everrton defence. Rodiellga got a shot off that Howard saved comfortably as the minutes relentlessly ticked away and the game remained maddeningly scoreless. Anichebe woon a free-kick out wide that Baines swung in and agains Fellaini had a heading opportunity. Beckford then had another effort on target but it lacked any meaningful pace.
After something of a lull, Everton got forward again and Rodwell drove a shot from outside the area a foot wide of the post. Another forward play was spoilt by Anichebe's poor touch that should have played in Beckford but went straight out of play. Play was broken up for a while with some silly Wigan injury, and after it, Beckford finally beat the offside trap but could not control the ball. 5 mins left and dangerous corners from Wigan were very worrying, Cahill hacking the ball uselessly upfield when more cultured play was called for.
By the end, Beckford was finally getting into the game, but his limited footballing qualiities were his main enemy, increasing the debate that he should be given more than 30 mins of game time to learn how to play the more experienced Premier League defenders. Coleman got fouled wide right earning Figueroa a yellow card but nothing came of the kick and Wigan made their most dangerous attack of the game, fouling Coleman in the build-up as Howard saved a certain goal on the 90.
Five minutes of added time, but Everton's powder-puff attacking prowess was prettty much spent, Beckford repeatedly offside, while Wigan sniffed the chance to grab a winner but N'Zogbia got himself booked for dissent. That was finally it. Same old, same old... Seven painful games without a win since Moyes was proclaimed Manger of the Month...
Depending on your perspective, this was a valiant effort, foiled by a stalwart defensive performance from Wigan... or it was the usual pile of predictable frustrating rubbish from a throughly impotent Everton side that couldn't score in a brothel. I'm going with the latter, and another painful example of the manager's increasing inability to get things right on the day with what he said himself are the best set of players he has had in his long long stint at Goodison Park.
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1 Posted 11/12/2010 at 16:59:01
2 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:00:49
IN THE NAME OF GOD... JUST GO PLEASE
3 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:00:46
Can anyone tell me what Yakubu as done against Moyes since he scored against Stoke, Moyes just wont play him??
4 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:06:44
What more does anybody need to know?!
5 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:07:12
The poor buggers on the bench must be wondering what they have to do to play.
6 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:03:00
Incidentally, if there is any truth in the story that we turned down £8 million for this over-the-hill striker, I think it is safe to say it is the greatest piece of mismanagement in the history of our club.
Please don't let us hear the cry of who will replace Moyes; anyone... fucking anyone. Also not it's the fault of the players. Moyes sent Saha out there today. Go.
7 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:10:21
8 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:11:43
And as for Saha what a waste of space, doesn't score, can't hold the ball up, can't run...so let's play him every game and not win and give him 50k a week. Thanks Moyes!
9 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:13:58
Man City away, cannot see another Chelsea type result given city are playing well at the moment and Chelsea are in a rut.
Could well be 3 wins out of 18 and in the drop zone come xmas! Whatever needs to be done DM needs to do it fast. 3m quid a year needs to get some sort of result otherwise I dare say things will be looking pretty gloomy come January with no Cahil!
10 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:15:34
Why in God's name would you bench Beckford today? I'm livid, I just want him to go ? and take Round with him. If Newcastle don't want Houghton, then I'll have him.
11 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:18:46
12 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:17:02
Time to go I'm afraid, before he drags us down
13 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:20:34
14 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:22:40
we are deep in the shit!!
15 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:23:00
I know I have got into trouble on here recently with my language and disgusting insults.
I'm just very fucking angry and frustrated. I want Moyes out, but due to the contract given to him by Knenwright (why?) he can't be sacked and Kenwright wont sack him anyway.
A very poor Wigan turned up today and we could be playing till 2455 and we still wouldn't beat them.
We're 4th from bottom have failed to beat WBA, Wigan, Woves and Newcastle at home and I'm very very, very concerned.
16 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:29:43
Martin Jol (Now jobless after leaving Ajax)
even Paul the fucking Octopus would do a better job.
Absolutely abysmal today. And btw, offering Victor Anichebe 30k a week is a fucking DISGRACE for an average, crocked player 'striker' who cant even score when hes 'fit' - Why not just use that £30k to buff up Pienaar's wages?? Moronic management.
17 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:34:24
18 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:35:59
19 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:27:57
20 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:36:57
21 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:37:32
22 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:30:32
23 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:39:27
In all seriousness, Martin Jol would be a class act for me. Might bring some dutch flair to our dour dour team.
24 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:34:48
25 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:46:12
26 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:45:36
3pts from a possible 15 at home, against West Brom, Wolves, Newcastle, Bolton and Wigan, that doesn't need reviewing then Richard?
27 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:48:39
Something must have gone on behind the scenes, I mean, Saha is fucking woeful, but the Yak still can't get a look - in.
28 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:50:14
29 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:52:34
30 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:55:03
"The Toffees appear to relish the role of underdogs but regularly stumble when there is an expectation placed on their shoulders."
Sums up Moyes's tenure in one sentence. I'm afraid he has got to go.
31 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:56:15
32 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:54:59
Still you could say we were a little unlucky today but starting with Saha and then putting Anichebe on the left wing - when we have a (supposed) left winger on the bench, is beyound me.
cannot surely be long before DM starts to lose the derssing room. Players like Bily, JH, Yak and Beckford must be starting to get pissed off. Once the rot starts its difficult to turn things around.......
33 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:05:30
34 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:14:06
We haven't signed player permanently for anything like a half dedcent fee since 2005. Guess who...James Beattie!
I wont be holding my breath...
35 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:18:16
36 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:11:45
People like you are an embarassment to this club.
37 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:29:40
38 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:30:55
39 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:36:13
Do I sound depressed? I think I am... this painful frustration gives way to numbing apathy... I don't even have the energy after that painfully predictable episode to get annoyed anymore... and now fucking Liverpool just go and score. Where's my gun?
40 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:39:43
41 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:31:17
Still, at least Moyes didn't start with Rodwell on the right wing.
42 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:40:26
"If not Moyes then who"
I will fucking implode.
Remember its fucking David Moyes who has taken us to this current position of dire fucking straights.
43 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:42:12
On second thoughts we'd only see Saha start again.
Bugger it, I'm off to get a bottle of red (or two)
And if the parrot says one word it gets it.
44 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:48:55
That and the fact that average championship players like Anichebe can turn down 30 grand a week.
And Doddy fuck off you arsewipe
45 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:32:32
46 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:53:19
The comedy on this site is breathtaking. "Satisfactory" ???
What a week to give up heroin!!
47 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:53:38
I'm pleased I am not the only one. I live in Lincolnshire and have had a season ticket for 12 years. I haven't been today, because I could see another poor performance/result looming. I don't get any joy out of my decision being justified, but I'm losing faith with Moyes (who I have been a supporter of) and the players. I'm sick of predictable play safe tactics, 4-5-1, players earning lots of money who aren't good enough and/or interested.
48 Posted 11/12/2010 at 18:58:24
Saha is crap. At least Beckford gets into good positions and I didn't see us play much different after Becks came on.
Of course you may be getting confused with the fact that when Becks came on there was an up in the teams enthusiasm just like last week at the bridge.
49 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:11:23
50 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:16:23
51 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:13:05
Again the boys had a real good go, but picking Saha completelly disables the team in the final quartser. Just give beckford a good go.
52 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:21:33
How fucking sad is that! We need those kopshite bastards fucking up to make us happy.
53 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:06:58
It's pretty much nonsense either way as that misery in the dugout does the same shit week in week out, same shite players start games, same late subs to try to change but more incriminating is he only ever makes like for like subs instead of formation and strategy changes in line with how the game is going, that little trick that football managers get paid a healthy sum of money for, DM wouldn't know how to if it came up and bit him on his stubborn miserable arse.
54 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:19:56
On a negative note, we've got to put up with Vargner for Hogmanay in Stirling.
It's squeaky bum time for the board of directors and the advisors of EFC. I can only imagine the alledged imminent sale price reducing by £50m if we finish 17th this season......every cloud.
55 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:04:31
Another hard fort & glorious point won in our stupendous & illustrious battle for those satisfactory mid-table places, is it, Doddy?
Thanks & praise to the Moyesiah & True Blue (He's a fan you know) Bill, for another enthrailing & entertaining match at Goodison... eh?
After such a satisfactory day, you should treat yourself to an extra wank over their pictures to celebrate!!!
56 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:27:47
57 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:34:42
Phil Neville (Player Manager)
If anyone else says "well who can replace Moyes" read the above.
58 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:19:37
I recall that it was around this time of year about 27 years ago when I came in from school and my Mum who'd been listening to the radio while peeling the spuds said, "Everton have signed someone called Gray." His signing and the regular inclusion of Peter Reid transformed the Blues from a similar kind of position we are in now. I know Andy Gray is no longer a hero to the Blues these days but we could do with someone like that in this transfer window. Not hopeful though.
59 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:46:29
We've won 3. Drawn 9.
It's time, I think.
If Moyes can't see we have to be more adventurous to pick up more points, then he's clearly flogging a dead horse.
60 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:33:31
Even the dog has got a handle on my moods, the minute I walked in, the poor mutt took one look at me and ran and hid.
61 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:43:34
62 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:46:31
63 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:44:41
64 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:50:35
65 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:51:30
66 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:51:38
67 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:51:20
Moyes must act quick. The season is a near write-off (very disappointing considering the woeful standard of the Premier League this year). If he uses January to offload the likes of Heitinga, Bily, Anichebe, etc and bring in a complete change of players and attitude then most people will support him. If he does his usual nothing and we "stick with what we have got" and continue to play with one up front, then the end is coming very quickly.
68 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:55:19
Replays showed he was onside, showed good composure and the goal should've been allowed to stand.
69 Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:51:46
All I have to say regarding the game today is, if we had took 1/10th of the chances we had then we would have won easily, across the season the same analogy would see us in the top 4.
Watched the RS tonight and they scored another unbelievably lucky goal, but still got fucking battered, how the fuck are they 4 points ahead of anyone, never mind us?
70 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:07:00
71 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:15:18
72 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:17:18
73 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:15:04
Moyes simply has no Plan B and, given the fact he has a fairly talanted squad of players at his disposal, I find it unforgivable that we are underachieving. Sacking Moyes is not an option but, boy oh boy, he needs to get his head out of his arse and come up with something different. As for relegation ? if anyone can, Davey Can!!!
74 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:23:51
I believe at today's game, Martinez saved Moyes a job, and filled in our teamsheet for him, before handing it in to the ref.
75 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:28:25
76 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:21:43
We cannot afford to have the likes of HeitInga on the bench. I reckon we might get something near what we paid for him. I'd imagine we are going to have to take a significant hit on Bily. But I think it is time for him to play or go. Anichebe should fuck himself off as well.
At this stage, if we can get rid of Saha on loan that would be awesome. i just don't think we should be able to give ourselves him as an option: nice technically but totally shot as a striker.
I don't think this is Moyes's style however. There is a fatalism to his entire approach that makes me despair of him ever making bold changes.
77 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:15:53
Just like the West Brom game, Wigan sat back and could of scored on the break. Their goalie was not outstanding, we were just shit around the penalty area.
Sounds daft but the only way Moyes is going to improve, is when we only have eleven fit players.
78 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:36:14
Maybe it's time to show the same vision by our manager. No doubt he's had a wee chat about this to Suralex.
79 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:51:54
Rebecca is in the final
80 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:50:45
Every manger we face no longer worries about playing Everton. They know how we play and who we play and who we leave on the bench. Why on earth did Beckford not start? And Magaye Gueye is probrably wondering what has he done...
I fear this season will make history for all the wrong reasons. I was going to say we are going the same way as Southampton, Coventry, Derby, Boro but we ain't ? they all have new stadiums.
81 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:42:22
When Benitez started insulting the club you should have told him to fuck off; when Rooney's agent began fucking this club over, you should have told him to fuck off; when Kenwright and Co fanny over transfer funds, you should tell 'em sort it or fuck off.
You are a gutless fraud taking over £3 million out the till... fuck the shite analysis over weird team selection; if you had Messi, no-one would be surprised if you had him selling programs.
I know there are dickheads who can't see it even after 9 years.
Guess what? Fuck off.
82 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:42:20
83 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:06:22
84 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:07:19
85 Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:23:32
In the past our fortunes have changed for the better, not by good management but by circumstances. Cahill is the only one scoring at the moment but he may also be one of the reasons that we are not scoring more as he does lack in certain areas.
In January when he leaves, I would love to see Rodwell pushed further forward to support the striker with Arteta and Fellaini behind him. Something has to change, it's all too predictable at the moment.
86 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:23:17
We need a note from the students book ? direct action... BK OUT... DM OUT.
If not, then at least DM out, DJ in.
87 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:33:39
Still, that said you mentioned some you would get rid of and added only "etc" Who do you mean?
On another thread earlier today peeps were contesting that we have no money. We have spent a few quid and though it may not be the amounts other teams have done, if i were in charge i would tell the manager to raise funds for transfers himself and the thre you mentioned while on my list would only be part of it. Anyone got any constructive ideas?
88 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:35:11
89 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:46:02
90 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:31:22
91 Posted 11/12/2010 at 21:49:33
Teams in the Prem play either 4-4-2 or 4-5-1; we play neither. We play 4-4-1-1... and to me that's the problem. When we play this, our four-man midfield is overrun by a team that plays five in midfield. There is always an extra midfielder to close us down, resulting in us being harried into making a bad pass, between the halfway line and the opposition box.
If I was an opposition manager playing Everton next game, I would put five men in midfield and stifle them, I would only worry about Cahill from a set piece. Chelsea, when they're all fit, play 4-5-1, Drogba up front, and Malouda and Anelka wide. A midfield three of Lampard, Ession, Mikel, and over lapping fullbacks... It works.
Man Utd play 4-4-2, Rooney and Berbatov, as the two main strikers, each occupying the opposition centre halves... It works.
Everton play 4-4-1-1, Saha or Yak or Beckford up front, Cahill, somewhere up front, but not as an outright forward, playing on the shoulder of the last defender, and not making the sort of runs Beckford made today for his wrongly disallowed goal... Four men in midfield... It doesn't work.
Cahill for me is great, a legend... but his presence dictates our formation. The (in-the-hole) position, as some call it, for me doesn't work, we are being found out every week, it's not rocket science. We need to play a proper system, formation.
I believe we still have a good crop of players to match most teams... but we limit ourselves by playing the same predictable shite, every week.
If we played Beckford up front (or Yak or Saha), Anichebe and Gueye wide (or Bily or Baxter, Pienaar or Coleman, etc). Fellaini, Rodwell, with either Pienaar or Arteta, or Osman, or Bily, or Baxter... etc, with overlapping fullbacks, Baines and Coleman.
We would at the very least be playing a system, that would involve a proper position for them all to play in. Instead of being disjointed with the mythical man in the hole.
92 Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:30:35
93 Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:27:13
But I'm totally giving up on him. I've never been blown away by his tactics, never mind his mysterious substitutions at times, but I've admired what he's done with the limited resources he's been given. But this season I just feel he is a complete bottler... I'm sure he uses an Everton top trump set from 2008 when he picks the team.
I'll only be repeating what everyone else has said, but it's like playing with 10 men when Saha is up front... Beckford does more in the 25 minutes he's given than Saha has this season and why can't Moyes see it?
I just think Moyes can't make the big decisions... If a young lad like Seamus is playing better than an established player, stick him in... If your Spanish wizard is playing below par ? drop him... If you have a choice of strikers that aren't scoring, at least pick the one making chances. We should've been throwing everything at them in that last 20 minutes... but no, we only play with one recognised striker at a time (I don't include the god Cahill as a striker).
This transfer window in January is massive for Moyes this season... He needs to be ruthless and get rid of the players he doesn't give a chance to ? what's the point of them sitting their arses on the bench, week-in, week-out?
If he doesn't like Bily then get rid. I like Big Vic on his day but let him go if he doesn't want to sign. Show the Yak and Saha the door, get rid of a big name central midfielder as we seem over abundant in that area. We need better balance in the team... fast wingers, a talented striker, left back for cover and maybe even Given if we could get him.
If Moyes carriers on doing nothing and picking the same team playing the same tactics, then I'm afraid he has to go.
I'm getting so numbstruck this season, I hardly give a shit if we win or lose... I can't believe i just said that ? sad times.
94 Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:09:43
To be honest, it didn't look like to me that we were being negative and sitting back, although highlights can be deceptive. 6 or 7 golden chances... we just couldn't stick the ball in the net yet again, which has been our problem all season.
I would have to say that Stewart (22) has a bit of a point there... To be honest, we have to prioritise getting a striker asap, get rid of Heitinga and Bily, who have both done less than nothing this season, that should hopefully fund someone half decent. For once, Moyes needs to throw caution to the wind, but I can't see it happening somehow.
95 Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:16:09
96 Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:31:26
I wouldn't pick him for the reserves, never mind for the first team. He has never fulfilled his potential and struts around as if he's already made it and now has the audacity to refuse to sign a new contract.
Do us a favour, Davie... grow some balls, or fuck off!
97 Posted 12/12/2010 at 00:06:30
I simply don't agree with it. The lad is barely ever given a chance, he comes on in place of an inept washed up wanker who should have been sold in the transfer window for an estimated £7 million.
The lad is lacking confidence, has no fucking idea how the team plays because he rarely plays with the lads. If anything, it's upto the rest of the team to get the ball to him.
Give him more game time and I think he will come good. Berating him, while the rest of the lads on the pitch have been pitiful, week-in and week-out...
98 Posted 12/12/2010 at 00:11:12
We rely too much on the predictable left wing anyway... maybe it would be a good idea to sell.
99 Posted 12/12/2010 at 01:36:17
"We rely to much on the predictable left wing anyway"
After today, I'd go along with that.
It worked for 20 mins this avvy, but then they sussed it and when Baines would make the run for the return from a one-two with Pienaar (or whoever), they KNEW it was coming and began to cut out those balls.
Talking to my mate earlier, he reckoned our most productive tactic at the moment is Pienaar or Arteta going down on the edge of the box from a fiddly debatable foul and whatever comes from the resulting free kick. He said 'If you take that away, we've very little in attack'.
Depressingly, I couldn't really disagree.
100 Posted 12/12/2010 at 02:47:34
Moyes played a half-fit striker on the left flank when Bily would have been a better choice. It just summed up how tactically inept our manager is. He should just go. I'll pay for his taxi.
101 Posted 12/12/2010 at 02:52:38
No right midfielder, new contract for Hibbert, Bily, too reliant on Neville/Saha, don't know what he sees in Anichebe. Coleman should be right back with Arteta right and Beckford up front. We have little pace in the team; since Donovan left, we've not scared defences.
However, changing the manager will be papering over the cracks. Sure, with a new manager, we could change the formation and tactics a bit... but, with the same faces and bargain basement signings, we're not going to do a lot. This squad is average.
Those who think that because this is Moyes's best squad, we should be challenging for the title/CL, are deluded. We are capable of getting results against big teams but so are Blackpool ? it's about having the players to do this consistently.
Since our 5th place finishes other teams have invested and we have not. We desperately need a striker and pacy wingers but, without selling either Rodwell or Fellaini, this isn't going to happen.
Get shut of Kenwright ? bring some "Kenwright Out" banners to the game. A new chairman/board can then bring in a new manager at the end of the season... Owen Coyle/Dave Jones/Jol would do me. Even with one of these though we may only ever get back to 5th without considerable investment.
102 Posted 12/12/2010 at 07:27:13
103 Posted 12/12/2010 at 07:35:41
Also did anyone notice the shot of Kenwright frustrated and shaking his head and muttering? All is not well and the man may yet surprise us all and drop Moyes like a hot brick...
In an effort to deflect any critical comment on his leadership perhaps?
104 Posted 12/12/2010 at 07:54:52
105 Posted 12/12/2010 at 08:40:31
If it happens, I would take up Ian Edwards's suggestion (#57) and appoint Phil Neville as a Player/Manager. Kill 3 birds with 1 stone:
- A decent (but unproved) manager who knows all about winning and also about Everton and the fans, board & players.
- No increase in the wage bill
- Less playing time for him - giving more opportunity for the likes of Seamus Coleman.
Then, sell Heitinga, Bily, Anichebe, Saha. Get two decent replacements ? for example, Donovan and a skilled striker. Keep Pienaar by giving him what he wants. And build the team around:
Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines, Pienaar, Rodwell, Fellaini, Arteta, Cahill, New Striker. Blood the youngsters ? by giving them regular opportunities ? the likes of Beckford, Vaughan, Gueye, Duffy, Mustafi, Mucha, Barkley, etc.
106 Posted 12/12/2010 at 11:15:41
107 Posted 12/12/2010 at 11:36:19
This is Everton and we haven't won anything since '95. Since HK's first reign and Royle's stint we have been very predictable and mediocre with the exception of a couple of highlights that a top team wouldn't call highlights. What has happened to our club? This manager hasn't got a clue.
Robert @ 91 is also right ? playing Cahill in the hole behind the striker really limits our options. We want a manager who is brave and tactically aware and not afraid of anybody.
If we offloaded Yakubu, Saha and Anichibe they would probably look like different players in another team. It is our negative/cautious approach that makes these players look so bad.
With regards to yesterday's match, Saha and Anichebe shouldn't have even been on the bench!
108 Posted 12/12/2010 at 10:35:00
Moyes out, Big Ron in....
109 Posted 12/12/2010 at 13:09:23
110 Posted 12/12/2010 at 13:25:01
DM ? you've run out of steam and ideas... is "King!" Louis holding your kids hostage?! At least Beckford makes an effort! Reminds me of where I work, too many mates in management that will not speak up and do something even when things are shite!! Again, my plea: Mr O'Neill, please give us a ring!!
111 Posted 12/12/2010 at 14:01:07
If we shold be going after anyone, it should be Ian Holloway at Blackpool. They play awesome stuff. I live there and go see them whenever I'm not at an Everton game, and there is no fear from the team or the fans, even when they are a goal down, because they know they will create at the other end ? and the ball rarely leaves the turf.
112 Posted 12/12/2010 at 14:38:06
The biggest annoyance for me was the decision to start Saha. Travelling to the game, me and my mates were all in agreement that it would be a joke to carry on starting him but, lo and behold, on arriving at the ground, it's announced that the man with no league goal in 9 month's is playing.
January is a HUGE month for us now, Kenwright and Moyes have to break their balls to get some striker's in or I will be storming that Goodison boardroom myself!!
113 Posted 12/12/2010 at 14:43:30
If Moyes was ever to leave then the only two managers we should be looking at would be Martin Jol and Martin O'Niell.
114 Posted 12/12/2010 at 15:28:27
David Moyes is ready to manage Everton for another 400 games. "Moyes was in charge of the Blues for the 400th time against Chelsea last time out and told evertontv: "If life is good to me and Everton is good to me and I feel I am still up for it and the supporters want me then I'll be happy to do 400 more."
115 Posted 12/12/2010 at 15:56:43
Back in the winter of ?83, there wasn?t actually much wrong (as proved within 12 months) ? the team just needed a spark to get them going, and that came with the arrival of Andy Gray. Today, we are very much in the same situation; we just need a spark to get us going.
Back in ?83, the board stuck with Kendall which proved to be correct decision. If the internet and ToffeeWeb had been around then, I am sure most of the posts would have called for Kendall?s head, which would have proved to be a disaster.
Whilst not saying Moyes is going to turn us into Champions within 12 months, I equally think that he is a good manager who has transformed the squad from the OAP home that Walter Smith left us with, and with a few key additions we would be a very good side. Now is not the time to panic.
116 Posted 12/12/2010 at 16:18:06
Relegation is a big threat and if they don't step up soon it will be too late.The wheel has turned full circle for Moyes and if the club doesn't have the balls to act or him the decency to go then we'll be in a worse position than when he arrived.
Dark days ahead, I fear!!!
117 Posted 12/12/2010 at 17:47:13
4-4-2, Moyes ? stop fucking about!
118 Posted 12/12/2010 at 20:30:36
The past is gone, today is where it's happening, here and now, and it's gone pear-shaped big time with no changes to the game plan... how much longer do we wait?
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