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New Year... Same Old Same Old

David Moyes reverts to a more conventional line-up for Cahill's final game before the talismanic Assuie and his amazing goalscoring expertise departs to Qatar for the Asian Cup. Heitinga is stilll out injured but Jagielka retuned after missing the West Ham game.

Everton looked to play yheir passing game from the off and Saha got a nice kick as he advanced into the area, a clear foul but no penalty! Delap's first long throw was competently handled by Howard. on 5 mins, Everton broke with something of a counter-attack Saha scampering forward and feeding Coleman, whose cross won the first corner. Baines picked out Saha with a good delivery but the ball careened off Jones's shoulder for a... goal kick!

Cahill did well to collect the ball on his chest, turn, run and feed Pienaar who shot straight at Begovic. His long clearnace was taken well by Fuller who shot wide when he might have caused Everton some serious trouble. The first yellow card went to Collins after only 12 mins for a lunge on Coleman advanceing down the right wing.

Cahill was peanalized for a shove in the back but a good delivery was looped over and out by Fuller. 15 mins and the battlelines for a tight midfield struggle were being effectively drawn, wing play resulting in plenty of throw-ins prventing muuchh forward progress. Arteta took Everton's second corner, from the left, straight to the first defender.

Coleman won the third corner, delivered superbly by Baines from the right but it evaded Cahill, however, the loopoing cross back in from Coleman was met at the far post by Distin and Fellaini looked to clip the ball out of the keeper's hands but it would not go in the net. Stoke were probing to some effect and a good run in by Etherington, beating Coleman and Neville, was finished very well by Kenwyn Jones, beating Howard hands down.

Saha epitomized the striker none-scoring problem, fluffing a lovely Cahill knock-down from the restart, when he depapartely must have started. On the next Everton attack, Baines had space to cross with uneering accuracy to where Cahill was lurking at the far post but the Aussie did not get the angle right and missed what for him was a nailed-on header for the equalizer.

Stoke, heads up, were running at Everton with more confidence after the goal and Neville gave them an unnecessary free-kick, central, that could have been a lot more dangerous. Then an incident with a yellow for Begovicic who crunched Saha just outside the area, apparently NOT a clear goalscoring opportunity ? it really could have been red. It all helped to spice up the game but Arteta's free-kick on the edge of the area smacked predicatably into Jones in the Stoke wall.

Distin put Everton under needless pressure with an overhit backpass as Stoke looked to punish their visitors, but Coleman won another excellent chance for Baines at the other corner of the Stoke area but it was just too hard for Fellaini and Distin at the far post.

Baines went in rather hard on Shawcross but escaped a possible yellow card. Saha running into the Stoke area tried to beat three men and collapsed in a heap as Everton looked to apply pressure before the break. A free-kick wide left was put into the danger area this time by Arteta. Baines down the inside right channel then got the ball out to Coleman and his briillinat low cross in front of goal was just begging for a finish that never came.

In the added minute before half-time, Saha and Pienaar constructed a good forward move, Pienaar's shot clipping off a defender's foot and looping up just over the bar onto the roof of the net with Begovic stranded. Was it going to be another one of those games where the Blues just can't get the ball into the back of the net?

No changes, of course, after the break, Artea getting crunched by a clumsy Whitehad challenge that earned him a yellow card. He then fould Baines in what should also have been yellow, and another guilt-edged free-kick ffor th Blues that Baines delivereed onto Saha's head but Higginbottom got in his way effectively. Pienaar then got a chance off the corner to volley a dropping ball at the goal but skewed it horribly out of play. A poor ref decision looses Everton another lear corner.

Arteta got involved in play downn the right but his awful cross was simply shocking as Everton looked to press but showed noo guile. Stoke meanwhile seemed to have the measure of Cahill, defensders collapsing drammaically at the slightest touch and easily winning Mariner's sympathy.

Stoke won a soft fee kick when Fellaini backed into Fuller and Everton were pinned back a lttle too easily. But Everton did break and Coleman was cut down by Delap, but again only a yellow for Delap. The free kick taken short was total rubbish as Arteta was bloked easily by the advancing defender.

59 mins gone, and Pulis made his first change, Tuncay on for Pennant. Cahill then got booked as he came off wort in another aerial challenge for absolutly nothing, much to the pleasure of teh Stoke crowd. 5 more minutes of touchiline instructions from Moyes for Osman and Anichebe on the sidelines before a double switch, during which a weird crabwise dribble by Saha summed up the paucity of Everton's challenge, Neville and Arteta coming off .. will 4-4-2 be the answer? (And why not from the beginning of the game???)

Osman got away with a clumsy challenge and little changed until a soft goal was scored... by Stoke. Jones loped a ball up that Fuller challenged Jagielka, the ball coming off the Everton defender and into the net. Oh dear, now 2-0 down, immediatley after Moye's game-changing subs.

Baines got a chance from yet another dangerous free-kick and made a good fist of it, flying barely over with Begovic rooted. But 2-0 down and Everton struggling to do what the game is supposed to be all about ? score! Fuller was so nearly gifted a third from a poor Distin back-header, but Howard did enough and Whitehad volleyed over from the corner.

With the game going nowhere and 15 mins to rescue something, decisive action was the order of the day from Manager Moyes: another 5-minute discourse on the lost art of Everton attacking football delivered on the sidelines to this time Jermaine Beckford while Pulis switched Whelan on for Etherington, and the final masterstroke from the Moyesiah: Beckford on for Saha in the 80th minute.

Some intricate Blues passing through the middle ran into a brick wall fo red-&-white stripped shirts, forcing Cahill to lash at it but his shot was predicatbly blocked and from that Stoke looked to get a third but overran things. Distin did well to contain Jones down the Everton left but in possession, Everton simply did not seem to have any meaningfiul ideas. With 5 mins left, the final change was made as Fuller came off for Wilkinson, and nearly embarrased Fellaini as Stoke sensed victory was close.

More huff and puff from the Blues in possession went absolutely nowhere, as the players themselves seemed to admit the game was up. Bereft of ideas, incapable of scoring or even creating meaningful clear-cut chances, this was yet another sad reflection on the increasingly moribund Moyes era.

New Year ? Same Old Same Old.

Michael Kenrick     Posted 01/01/2011 at

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James Stewart
1   Posted 01/01/2011 at 16:55:11

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Luke Dunn
2   Posted 01/01/2011 at 16:55:25

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Poor; time for change... now is the time for a big clear out including the manager. Bring O'Niell in, get rid of Neville, Saha, Yak, Arteta, Bily. Build a team round Rodwell & Fellaini. This dross cannot continue.
Art Tosh
3   Posted 01/01/2011 at 16:56:40

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Cahill being away might be a good thing. Cahill gives the easy 4-5-1 option which isn't working right now, losing him might force a re-think. Something has to change.
Phil Rodgers
4   Posted 01/01/2011 at 16:54:11

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Moyes has nothing left to give. His tower of cards has collapsed today. The feel good factor from the man city win was completely destroyed by his team selection against west ham and now we are in a relegation battle. Happy new year David Moyes.
Gavin Ramejkis
5   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:01:03

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Didn't bother watching, instead watched Wall-E with my sons, just caught result, shameful but no fucking surprise
Joe McMahon
6   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:03:30

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Maybe a New Year, nowt's changed though has it. I don't want to win anything anymore, I just want to see attacking football. That's how bad it's got.

I work for under £20k a year, and this negative dour anti-football manager gets £65,000 a fucking week.
Dean Adams
7   Posted 01/01/2011 at 16:58:34

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I just don't care anymore, never thought I'd feel this disinterested. We should at least go down fighting in any given game, but this is dire.
Paul Loins
8   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:03:47

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I think it is too easy to blame the manager. I see our strikers not hungry enough when they are on the pitch and highly paid members of the squad in very poor form. The manager does not have the money to change things wholesale so he now must wheel and deal in this window. Please give him a chance as there is no-one out there to replace Dave and I for one do not want him replaced...
David Price
9   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:03:26

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Ok, balanced view if possible.

Two key decisions, Saha pen nailed on in the first minute, not given. Their 2nd goal, blatant shove on Jags by Fuller into the ball.

4-4-2 for the last 30 mins saw us play awful after bossing a game for 60 mins. Maybe that's why we play 4-5-1.

15 attempts on goal to their 7. How we didn't score in the first half I can't figure.

Ref was poor all day, Whitehead should have been red-carded for his two late challenges inside two minutes of each other, yellow on Arteta then smashes into Baines, free kick yet no card.

But what the heck, let's hear rambling shite from people who can't be arsed to watch.

Richard Harris
10   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:01:17

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Frank McGregor
11   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:03:26

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Art, I agree with you, Cahill having to leave for possible the next month or so and the complete removal of Saha from the team sheet will hopefully enforce a change in the system to 4-4-2. On the evidence of this game, the midfield performance in the second half just fell away.

The present system is a graveyard for centre-forwards and any decent centre-forward signing for Everton would do himself a favour be getting it in writing that the 4-5-1 system will not be the pattern of play.

Guy Hastings
12   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:04:06

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A few points:

Neville goes off and Coleman drops back, losing any pace on the right. Genius.

In the two initial subs, Osman has to be the weakest player in the Prem and Anichebe has the touch and pace of a wrought iron gate.

Saha looks willing for the first two minutes or the first decision goes against him, whichever comes sooner.

Has any Everton player gone from sublime to ridiculous in such a short time as Arteta?

If there's not a done deal between Utd/Chelsea and EFC for Rodwell by now then there will be by the summer because if I were JR I'd be off like a shot. If you're going to warm the bench then you might as well do it for three times the money.

Kenwright can't afford to fire Moyes but Round must go. If Moyes won't agree, then Moyes must surely walk.

If we go out in the Cup top Scunthorpe, Moyes's position is untenable.

Kase Chow
13   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:05:45

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I think our fans can take losing... we're all old enough and ugly enough to know we can't win every game

I also think our fans can take the fact we cannnot challenge to win the title... we don't have the resources

What our fans CAN'T take is the fucking shite game plan of 'play it tight and hope to nick one' EVERY fucking game!!! It's so boring and shite and a friggin turn off.

Even as an Everton fan, I don't want to watch us play cos it's so boring.

When was the last time we 'had a go' at a team?

Not since Andy Johnson have we had a player to run in behind opposition defences. Cahill makes forward runs ahead of the strikers so he's considered a defensive liability... hence, take him out of midfield and play him up top so his movement won't make us defensively weak

We're SO geared up to not conceding a goal and it's depressing to watch. I'm close to hating watching Everton play. How hard is it to admit that as an Everton fan?

Shame on you Moyes for doing that. I respect what Moyes has done for us but it doesn't give him the right to do this to us.
Ian McDowell
14   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:13:49

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I have had enough not just today but West Ham away too. I'm throughly depressed again. So slow and pedestrian I knew we wouldn't score you could just tell, something has got to change.
Jim Hourigan
15   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:03:36

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Too many so-called key players are not performing alongside a manager who has lost the plot. Jagielka was at fault for both goals ? he made no attempt to pick up Jones for the first goal just backing off and allowing Jones a free header unchallenged with Jags stood 3 yds away marking space. The second goal he didn't even attempt to jump for the ball as Fuller went for it ? why not? It was 5 yds from the line!!! If Arsenal still want him, I'll drive him down there!

As for the tactics ? how do you justify Osman coming on in the centre of midfield? What did putting Coleman at right back give us when we are losing and have no other pace out wide? Until the second goal went in the system stayed the same with different personnel ? this isn't rocket science but when will the overpaid, dour and defensive manager realise that if the tactics aren't working you change the system and try something different. Shifting chairs on the titanic is all he can do.

Utter utter garbage with only Baines and Distin able to hold their heads up.
Jimmy Hacking
16   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:15:54

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Gavin #4 is that the same Wall-E who stood in our dugout?
Chris Jones
17   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:06:55

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It's really difficult to defend that second-half performance, so I won't even try. Someone on the live feed said it's like Groundhog Day.

The football we play is very pretty but unfortunately the lack of pace and penetration makes it all a waste of time. A lot of our chances are half-chances and when we do get good opportunities we haven't got the players to take advantage.

Moyes has been in charge for nearly nine years and still hasn't developed a Plan B. He's one of the best in the business at working out how to stop others playing and how to grind out wins versus 'better' opposition, unfortunately he no longer seems to know how to open up teams who do the same to us.

The worrying issue this season is that the gap between top and bottom has actually narrowed and there's a real danger any team could go down. If this was purely a business decision the man at the top would be sacked for poor performance. Unfortunately, BK hasn't got the bottle ? we'll have to wait and see if Moyes gets an offer from elsewhere or has the grace to admit, like Keegan did with England, that he simply doesn't have the skills to take us further.

For me the summer of 2009 will always be the watershed for the Moyes era: failure to fight in the Cup Final, the Lescott saga, the new contract for Moyes. It's all gone sour since then ? time for a new man to step up.

It wouldn't surprise me if we turn Spurs over, but it doesn't matter, for me the Moyes era is over.
Gavin Ramejkis
18   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:17:38

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Jimmy I doubt it, I know my boys love him, if they were to take a look at Gollum in our dugout they'd have nightmares.
Daniel Johnson
19   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:20:20

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Moyes is slowly being found out.

Game by game, fans are starting to awake from the sleepy spell of his dour "we won't lose" football.

All I know is we could bottom 3 with 1 match to go and Kenwright will still be wearing his "I Love David Moyes" T-shirt.

The end is nigh... Cahill away, no money, Pienaar off... holy shit! Happy 2011.
Ste Traverse
20   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:17:13

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Utter embarassment.

Just heard that buffoon Greame Sharp defending Kenwright from an irate fan on the Radio City phone-in. He doesn't want a new owner because he could lose his cushy job at Goodison. Self-serving prick.

Time is up for Moyes, the man has totally run out of ideas.
John Nelson
21   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:13:59

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What a fucking disgrace and embarrasment you are to my great club Moyes. You have indeed proved yourself this season to be a one trick pony, negative, dour, and undoubtedly, fucking clueless.

Resign now rather than bleeding us dry on your atrocious £65k a week contract. Drop the hint also to that silly fat twat of a chairman that he too is not wanted.

This is not a knee jerk reaction - I have defended you vehemently in the past, but this season you have fucked it all up, and it is totally unacceptable.

Paul Olsen
22   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:18:51

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First smile of the day, thank you Jimmy Hacking!
Martin Paice
23   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:20:36

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Art (#2) ? hoping you're right, Moyes has a history of stumbling upon new options when his hand is forced.

Let's hope he pulls a rabbit out the hat!
Mick Fleming
24   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:13:59

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Dave at 7 ? How many times have we said those things this season? Don't use the match stats as a smokescreen for shite inept tactics and substitutions, AGAIN!

Piss off, Moyes.

Will Leaf
25   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:20:31

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What's with the West Sussex prison riot? Did Hibbo score and I don't know about it?
Brian Waring
26   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:20:53

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David (#7) Yes lets blame the ref again this week for that defeat, we haven't blamed the ref for a few weeks now. The penalty decision, it's football, it happens.

The Jag's own goal, if it was a shove, why didn't Jags appeal? He never even reacted to it.

Gavin Ramejkis
27   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:22:17

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Dave #7, you don't have to watch our games these days to predict the result, formation and as the title says, same old, same old. I'm not or have ever been a professional football coach but I could tell you that Stoke and especially Fuller from his previous teams is very physical and uses his body to barge players about. Does that mean I should be on £65k a week because I apparently know more than DM did today and not counter that or have his players counter that?

If a referee decision doesn't go your way you carry on, you don't stop playing yet Saha did according to many that could be arsed watching. Reading more posts Moyes killed off the right hand wing by withdrawing Coleman to defence, tactical fucking genius but again I don't even need to watch to predict the same old same old tired shite masquerading as football anymore, guess what Dave, for away games its my choice to go to the game or watch it on a web stream, for home games I've already paid up front for a season ticket. Either way it's my choice and one which I don't need to justify to you or anyone else for that matter.
Phil Hamer
28   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:10:10

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A match that put Everton and David Moyes's failings into crystal clear perspective. Dominant in midfield and essentially sound at the back (despite 2 conceded), it appears that David Moyes just cannot coach a team to penetrate a Premier League defence. Admittedly the art of fashioning clear goalscoring opportunities against mass ranked defences is the most difficult to master, but the utter predictability of Everton's attacking play this season has been awful to watch.

And anyway, genuinely good managers are able to create situations where their team are not always attacking massed ranks of defenders, ie, a counter-attacking game with fast direct players. The pedestrian and predictable way that Moyes has Everton set up means that we are constantly hammering away at 2 rows of 4 or 5 with our little powder-puff attackers and getting absolutely nowhere. This might create the illusion that we're dominant but it's just not the case. Teams are just sitting back and soaking it up, then picking us off at ease. It's embarrassing.

We have no pace, no power and no direction. When Baines took it upon himself to run at the heart of the defence during the second half, we almost created a chance. The incessant, mind-numbing sideways passes in an arc 30 yards from the opposition goal will get us nowhere at Premier League level.

It is up to Moyes to devise new, more direct, more pacey ways of attacking and he needs to start by bringing in players with a modicum of pace and attacking intention. If he fails to do this during the January transfer window then I suspect the pressure he will come under from the fans will be deserved.
Guy Hastings
29   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:19:03

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David #7
'Saha pen nailed on in the first minute, not given.' That's simply tough, and we had another 89 mins to sort that out. As I noted above, once that went against Saha, Moyes might as well have hauled him off there and then.

We look sickly, slow, dim-witted, fearful, unconvincing and, on current form, the least attractive footballing side in the division. At least you get the occasional laugh out of WHU.

Brian Waring
30   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:32:39

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One question: in the eyes of you apologists, why is Moyes never to blame for anything?
Christopher Marston
31   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:33:17

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Pleeeaaasseeee Moyes....just go!!! Any other team would have got rid a long long time ago!
Al Reddish
32   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:35:31

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I really would give Bily Cahill's slot while he is away and put on Beckford in place of Saha/Yak. We have nothing to lose. Bily is lazy but he scores. Beckford misses sitters but he is the only one fast enough to get them chances in the first place.
Christopher Marston
33   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:39:35

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Bring back Walter ha ha
Jon Cox
34   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:16:52

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God that was dire today. We all remember Walter Smith and what a dour so-an-so he was, but he never had the squad of so called talented pl;ayers Moyes has. If you are Moyes and put Coleman wide right then you have to play a RB that can pass a ball.

Not for Davey, thats why Neville plays behind. I noticed that the general play was always biased to the left. Is that Moyes or is it the thinking of the team collectively. Whatever it was most if not all teams in the Prem have sussed it out and leave us with no attack that is worth a mention.

I cant remember any game were our passing was totally telegraphed or given away for Stoke to break us down and start their own attack.

What is it about Big Vic? He's just come back from a long injury and yet Moyes prefers him over Beckford?

At this stage of the game Moyes has to take a long look at himself and his tactics. If not, he should go and for me I'd see what Bilic is up to.

Failing that, get Don Logan ? then at least everyone will know who's boss.

Now where's that "How to cheer yourself up" book by Dr David Kelly?
Will Leaf
35   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:39:18

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Spurs, RS, and Arsenal up 3 of the next 4 matches... and a 6 pointer with The Hammers. This is going to be a nail-biting January. Moyes needs to take the shackles off the team, put players in their natural positions, give Bily, Beckford a run, etc.

Present formula not working.
Al Reddish
36   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:43:30

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We'd be better off with Johnny Logan. He is probably shit with footie tactics but could knock out a decent tune and always did well in Europe.
Brian Lawlor
37   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:35:48

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David Price ? spot on mate, spot on.

Some of those comments are embarassing e.g. couldn't be arsed watching game, I don't want us to win, I don't care etc.

We are Everton.

Andy Peers
38   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:44:54

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If we lose at home to Spurs, Moyes has to resign!
Alan Clarke
39   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:39:20

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David Price, you are deluded because that's not a balanced view. If this game was a one-off then I'd accept the ref was to blame but this game followed the same pattern as every other game this season.

If all you can do is blame the ref then you really can't see clearly at all. It's worrying because it's fans like you, who still support this regime that will be the death of Everton FC.

Steve Guy
40   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:45:10

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Mr Traverse, DO NOT slag off one of the greatest centre forwards we've ever had. Neither you or anyone else is fit to polish Sharpie's boots. Presume you were throwing your Teddy out of the pram for real as opposed to metaphorically, whilst he was banging in great goals?
Mick Fleming
41   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:48:55

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Will: put the shackles on the bastard and stone him as his inept shite tactics are surely a criminal offence!
Ste Traverse
42   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:52:52

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Steve Guy. Just because Sharp was a great player for us won't stop me having a pop at him for being a poor pundit and for being constantly up Kenwright's arse.
Phil Bellis
43   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:49:08

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David, there's a balanced view and, then again... myopia.

In your balanced view how many of the 15 shots "on target" were saved by the Stoke goalie? How many hit Shawcross or Higginbotham in the mush?

This defeat, to a hard-working but extremely limited Stoke side, shows we are in a bit of trouble, still 18 points from safety.

John Audsley
44   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:47:50

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If I ever hear the words "The Moyesiah" or "He's got Red hair but we don't care" or "IMWT" I will vomit

All this crap is meaningless, just as the current regime at GP is meaningless

We played as badly as I've seen in a long time today; we all know it won't change

It CAN'T as BB and Moyes are here forever.

What gets me more than anything is that the Press think Moyes is a genius and BB is the best Chairman in the Prem ? they never lay into them regardless of the embarresment we are on and off the field.

Today, three players (Distin, Baines and Coleman) turned up. The rest ? especially the footballing disgrace that Arteta has turned into ? didn't get off the team bus.

I'm truly ashamed of Moyes, BB and the players tonight BUT it doesn't matter, does it, as THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE...

Andy Crooks
45   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:46:26

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Michael, how many more blogs like this must we read before you finally say what you really think? I have supported Everton for 44 years and this man has served up the worst dross I've seen in that time.

Please don't anyone come on here with the worn out money excuse. He was happy with the squad at the start of the season and we are where we are because of his ineptitude. (I was roundly slated a while ago for calling him inept, now it passes without comment because it is true)

I was castigated by Lyndon for referring to Moyes as being without dignity and integrity. I strongly believe that if he has either of those qualities he will be gone by Monday. He hasn't; he sold his integrity for £3.5 million a year.

Manager of the month? Does no-one else feel nauseated by this patronising pat on the head? Overrated, overpaid and long, long past his sell-by date.

Brian Lawlor, I'm writng this because I care. Yes, we are Everton. Not Kenwright's cheap toy and not David Moyes's huge pension fund. Go, David Moyes ? and denounce Kenwright in your resignation statement.

Richard Harris
46   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:48:10

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Although it pains me to type this, I hope that we lose to Scunthorpe so that people's eyes will be opened to Moyes's tactical ineptitude and he will be sacked (or do the right thing and resign). Maybe then the "Kenwright Out" protests will start...
Ian McDowell
47   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:00:22

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I am sick of hearing Moyes go on about the loan Market; how about come out and say, "I need the Chairman to find me the funds for a striker and a wide player and I need it soon"?
John Nelson
48   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:53:03

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David #7 - notwithstanding the stupid comment of "can't be arsed watching the game", are you telling us then you were happy with today's performance?

Are you happy with 4 wins out of 20?

Are you happy with 21 goals in 20 games?

Are you happy with players constantly being played out of position?

Are you happy with the manager having blatant favourites, of whom are either woefully out of form (Arteta, Saha) or, to put bluntly, fucking shite (Neville, Osman, Hibbert)?

Are you happy with the manager's fucking bizarre tactics?

Well, I for one, am not fucking happy. Listen mate I used to always defend Moyes and give credit where credit's due, but this season he has not only proved he has reached his ceiling, but in the process has managed to alienate most of the fans.

Enough is enough. Moyes needs to go now.
Jon Cox
49   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:04:40

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Andy, I'll second that.
Dave Charles
50   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:59:45

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I watched it in the pub and THAT'S IT, I'VE HAD ENOUGH.

Glenn Hoddle must have something to offer and he's still young enough to want to prove himself.

Jean Tigana, once Fulham boss must want a chance to try again.

John Collins, who as a player I didn't like, but I feel as manager he may have plans to play attactive football if given the chance.

We can't get the Hiddinks or Mourinhos of this world but anything is worth a chance than carrying on with the most negative manager we've had. Even Walter couldn't stoop this low... or could he?

That's enough for me.
Boris Berezofski
51   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:09:37

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In a word...

S H I T E !!!

John Ford
52   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:02:54

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Andy (44)
I'm assuming you're just pissed off because if it really is the worst you've seen in 44 years then you're deluded. As for the money excuse being worn out, well it's pretty much a statistical fact (see earlier thread) that money equals success. There's no getting away from that. I'm not saying there aren't possible reasons for Moyes going ? has he got a plan B? Is he just jaded? Have the game's tactics just passed him by? ? but claiming money ain't a key component and suggesting the Walker/Smith eras as well as the early seventies were better is just daft.

We can't score, can't shoot, we need attacking players, we need money to get 'em. Yak and Saha served us well but they're past it now. Their replacement, Beckford, isn't getting a crack and I just don't know why. Is there something we are missing? Is he pissing about in training? There must be a reason...

Whatever the reason, when teams are in this position, they will buy. We need to buy, and buy now!

Brian Hill
53   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:47:06

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David Moyes: "Hey, love, Bill offered me 65 thousand pounds a week".

Mrs Moyes: "What for?"

D. Moyes: "4-6-0"

Mrs Moyes: "You're 'avin a laugh"

D Moyes: "No, honest"

Mrs Moyes: "We should celebrate."

D. Moyes: "Yes, get the kids and the cocoa, we'll stay up till half nine and read 'The Life and Times of Howard Wilkinson' together."
Richard Dodd
54   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:57:13

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Just heard Tony Pullis describe Everton as "a very good side" and Davey saying "we played really well in the first half ? denied a definite penalty and certainly not deserving of losing 2-0".

So whose opinion should we respect? The consumate professionals who manage top class teams or the knee-jerk reactionaries who swamp these columns after our first away loss in nine games? I ask you!

Ste Traverse
55   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:22:25

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Get stuffed Dodd you troll.
Mick Fleming
56   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:23:49

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Bloody hell, Doddy ? there was all of us thousands thinking we are now shite. Thanks for clearing that one up!
Andy Peers
57   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:26:01

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I respect the opinion of the league table, that is not opinion ? that is fact.... 3 points from relegation. Richard Dodd try thinking before you post.
Jon Cox
58   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:26:27

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"Knee-jerk" ? don't you just love irony, ha ha.
Richard Harris
59   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:17:55

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So, if money is the only answer, then how do you account for Moyes's overachieving before? If he takes the credit for that then he must accept the blame for this season's malaise.

He never took responsibility for how the delay in signing a new contract affected the team but Lescott got blamed for our poor start. If it's all about money (or lack of it) then how do you explain clubs on a small budget overachieving and richer clubs underachieving?

It comes down to a manager who can inspire players, understand tactics and make good signings with the money that they have. Moyes has always lacked good tactical sense (no Plan B), he clearly can't inspire our players any more and has signed just as many duds and gems...

Larry Boner
60   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:48:00

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"The fiver ball, the fiver ball", does anyone on this site know what this means? If you do then you understand what it means to coach a team in the intricacies of football.

We dont have this basic mentality, how many free-kicks did Arteta waste today?

The art and the sublety of football have been lost at this club, play the fucking game! Take notice of Baines and Pienaar, these guys know how to play, how to be better than their opponents, they are not afraid to express themselves...

Fucking hell Moyesie lad, get a grip, it's just a game, let the fuckers play!

I'll give you a clue re the fiver ball,: Chelsea, Sexton, Osgood.

John Ford
61   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:23:46

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Phil 25. Nice post. But I think you're also highlighting the fact that we're not far off being a good team again.

This is more frustrating than the early 1990s. Then, we were just shite, few good players, offered very little ? we managed to scramble a few points to stay up. Now we can actually play football but we hit a glass wall about thirty yards from goal, constantly failing to get passed. Surely this isn't insurmountable?
Kevy Quinn
62   Posted 01/01/2011 at 17:45:38

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Chris, I posted the Groundhog Gay comment. It's the same thing every game this season. We can all see what's coming everytime! Every manager in the league must be the same... any wonder Moyes has been found out.
Richard Harris
63   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:30:36

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If we didn't deserve to lose 2-0, then what about the times that we didn't deserve to draw or win and did?

A successful team wins even when they aren't playing well by scoring more goals than the opposition...

Forget the excuses: "We should have won a penalty"; "We outplayed them and were unlucky" ? Wake up and face reality !

Alan Clarke
64   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:44:21

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Dodd, why did those "consumate professionals" say that? Pulis wants to talk up his victory. It sounds better if you say you beat a really good side. It doesn't sound very good if you just say "we beat a half asleep Everton side today who looked like they couldn't be arsed".

Moyes talks himself up because he's under pressure. Smith was always saying how well he thought we'd done even after losing.

I'm inclined to go with the opinion of the 'knee jerkers' who've been watching Everton since before you were born and whose blood runs bluer than either Moyes or Kenwright.
Colin Malone
65   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:33:04

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Cannot understand, our manager never reads fans forums, example, ToffeeWeb or listens to radio phone-ins, for example, Radio Mersyside. Well, at 47 years of age, no-one can tell him about his trade/management.

He's either a genius or he's got his head up his own arse. Davey, get your head out your arse, you're never to old to learn.

Daniel Johnson
66   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:52:14

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It's people like Richard Dodd who make me laugh.

Still defending the defenceless.

If ever Garry Glitter, or Robert Mugabe need representation, Dodd, you're the man for the job.
Jim Lloyd
67   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:33:30

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John Ford, 60. You think we're not far off being a good team again. My fear is that we're not far off being relegated.

I can remember at the beginning of the season, Moyes stating it was his aim to challenge the top four and there were a number of fans thinking it was going to be "our year". I thought that if we got into the top six, we'd be doing well. I thought Spurs, Villa and Man City would all leave us behind (looks like I was way out about Villa!).

Not so long ago, David Moyes was asked about our poor goals for record. He said something on the lines of "we don't seem to have many players at the club who can shoot from outside the box." So it seems we have to try and walk it in but I don't think we're good enough.

We now appear to want to emulate Arsenal, which is no bad thing, but we have players who can't pass a ball, so the moves break down and quite often we're done on the counter attack. We seem to be stuck now in between Moyes original recipe, of being difficult to beat and grabbing a goal, and the current pattern which doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.

I saw West Brom come to Goodison and give us a football lesson. The trouble is, I don't think we've learnt it!

Leon Perrin
68   Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:53:54

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Richard Dodd

I must ask you:

Are you an Evertonian? Do you believe what you write or is this a wind-up?

I only ask because I like a pisstake but generally not on my own club's site.

When I stated on the Man City site that Everton were the richest club because we owned City after beating them, they banned me, fair enough. Maybe it's time.

Mike Bates
69   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:09:43

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Shit results...but we're only a few wins off 7th!

*rolls eyes*
Tommy Meehan
70   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:12:31

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I agree Leon. Doddsy is either a wind-up or he really did escape through Beatrix Potter's ear-hole
Ian Edwards
71   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:12:26

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I saw an interview yesterday in which the soon to be ex-manager Dreary Dave said when Cahill goes to the Asia Cup, he will try Fellaini and Pienaar up front.

Championship here we come.
Phil Bellis
72   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:31:03

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I believe reference has been made in the past to young Mr Dodd's frequenting the Freshfield in Formby, wearing bunny slippers and drinking halves of kaliber shandy. If true, he must be real, if not compos mentis ? I may well nip over there to see for myself and ask him face-to-face if he is an unfunny WUM or, as I suspect, merely a congenital idiot.
Tony Hughes
73   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:47:30

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Mr Dodd, you have finally confirmed what the majority of sane fans on this site have suspected! YOU ARE CLINICALLY FUCKING INSANE!!!!!
Nick Toye
74   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:51:22

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Michael, your right. 5 years ago, even 3 years ago I thought you were wrong about Moyes. I still think you were wrong then; however, I'm 100% behind you.

David Moyes is simply not good enough to a) justify his £65k a week, and b) be a manager of our club.

Saying that, you can't remove Moyes without Kenwright as they are one and the same thing, unfortunately.
John Ford
75   Posted 01/01/2011 at 19:34:38

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Jim (65):

Yeh, we do sometimes look like a team trying to develop its passing game but who haven't bothered with any shooting practice. I generally defend Moyes but of all the criticisms made of him (many of which don't stack up), I think the lack of a tactical plan B or real flexibility is the one which is most worrying.

Chris Jones (14) points to the improvement in teams outside Sky Four ? he's right. There are no gimmes this season. Everyone seems capable of good performances, and the best sides are coming up against better prepared teams.

I still think we'll come good, but a change is needed even if its only one or two key players. We need a reboot, something or someone for the club and fans to hang their hats on... and Kenwright to leave at the earliest opportunity!

Jim Lloyd
76   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:15:06

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Amen to that, John!
Phil Bellis
77   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:11:42

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I hope you're right John and we do, indeed, come good. However, the league is unusually tight so far and it's becoming too dog-eat-dog for any hint of complacency.

We've got 22 points from 20 games, we need 18 more from 18 ? time to gamble to get them?

John Audsley
78   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:19:29

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Please tell me what you saw on the pitch today.

I'm not surprised by your comments as you always toe the party line but please tell me what you saw.

You seem blissfully happy with goings on... I guess yer one of the "IMWT" or part of the Moyesiah Brigade.

Glad today made you happy.
Al Reddish
79   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:23:21

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Beatrix Potter's ear hole or Brian Potter's arsehole.
Dean Adams
80   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:21:51

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The way the league is stacking up this season, 45 points may not be enough to avoid the drop. The top teams are way down on their usual tally and the bottom clubs are up on their usual, so don't count your chickens on 40 points for safety.
Brian Waring
81   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:48:13

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Do you know what would be a great addition to the site? Doddy doing match reports like Ken does. Are you up for that Richard?
Dean Adams
82   Posted 01/01/2011 at 20:50:43

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Doddy, I have to admit you made me laugh!! Thanks and keep the jokes coming.
Phil Bellis
83   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:22:48

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Cheers, Dean
Even more worried now!!
Simon Temme
84   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:32:45

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Brian Hill #52 Brilliant ? You may want to add:?

Mrs Moyes: "David, your not thinking of attacking my box are you?"

DM: "If you give me 92 minitues and a clean sheet I might!"
John Daley
85   Posted 01/01/2011 at 22:19:52

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"So whose opinion should we respect?"

Certainly not yours. I have more respect for the opinions of Orville the Duck when Keith Harris's hand is withdrawn from his arse.
Tony I'Anson
86   Posted 01/01/2011 at 22:43:38

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I had the game on, but just never watched it after 30 mins. Came back to TW without watching any footy and a great New Year's dinner and shrugged my shoulders when I saw the result. I wasn't surprised.

But I was still very disappointed. I won't sleep tonight now.
Rob Hollis
87   Posted 02/01/2011 at 00:41:14

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Mr Dodd

Only the accountants involved are 'professionals.' It's just a fucking game we all understand. Some people are very good at playing it, some people are very good at blending teams, some people are adept at changing formation to exploit a weakness they see in the opposition.

Our Manager is none of these things and thinks he knows better than the players understand their own natural positions. Time is up, Doddy. I think you consider their pay cheques make them brighter than the average bloke... no, just luckier. David Moyes should resign.

If you had such a failure in a Sales team, they would be signing on in no time. Everton is also a business and you can't pay top money for the total failure to satisfy your customers. We are the customers and the product is dreadful. It can't really get any worse.
Frank McGregor
88   Posted 02/01/2011 at 00:41:46

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I listened to Moyes's comments on the game and I quote, "Louis Saha had a great game," unquote. From the game I saw, he was simply awful, lazy, contributing nothing. I am afraid, if that is the assessment of the manager, we are in for real bad times.

The midfield is now looking increasingly poor ? not commanding the game, I believe, due to tactics and the inability to score goals by having one front-runner.
Andy Codling
89   Posted 02/01/2011 at 05:09:44

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Liu Weixian
90   Posted 02/01/2011 at 09:11:58

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Terry Murray
91   Posted 02/01/2011 at 11:17:38

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Anyone else think that Vaughan in the starting line-up might help? Anyone remember how he changed the game against West Brom 2 years ago?

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