The "Independent" tag in the descriptive subtitle of this website was a deliberate move made years ago when others around used the odd term "unofficial". Some will remember it took years for the 'Official' Everton Website to become anything like worthy of the name... during which time we helped fill the void.
We knew we were here for the long term, our primary mission morphing over time from the original endeavour ? to provide some basic Everton presence and electronic record on the then embryonic interweb. Now, the stats and facts available on this website take a back seat to providing an unparalleled forum for independent viewpoints about Everton Football Club.
Despite fallacious claims to the contrary, we generally post what we receive... and we "encourage" input from all points of the Everton compass ? be it favourable or unfavorable to the current management and leadership of the club. Hence the "independent" tag. But being independent does not have to mean we encourage mindless abuse.
So to the point of this ramble: I don't like to see Evertonians using this website as a means for telling people at the Club to "fuck off" ? especially people they've probably never met... and they would mortified at the prospect of telling them that face-to-face. No matter how bad the performances on the field, or how cringeworthy the latest utterances of the Chairman, there is to my mind no excuse for using the web to tell the Chairman, Manager, or any player to "fuck off".
These last few weeks, it's become something of a catch-phrase for those who can't come up with anything even a little more intelligent... and as of now, I'm calling a stop to it. No doubt there's plenty to be concerned about, but finishing your diatribes with that expletive is classless and crass.
No more, alright?
Michael Kenrick Posted 05/01/2011 at
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1 Posted 05/01/2011 at 05:56:23
2 Posted 05/01/2011 at 06:08:31
3 Posted 05/01/2011 at 06:42:19
This sort of ruling will only add to the quality of the site.
4 Posted 05/01/2011 at 07:39:06
Would Kenwright and Moyes please go away.
5 Posted 05/01/2011 at 07:52:23
6 Posted 05/01/2011 at 07:49:46
Personally as I live near Lincoln, it's good to read some news and "banter" about the Blues as in the national media the "usual suspects" appear to attract the attention. It's also good to read some of the replies/posts/articles from Evertonians across the World which reminds us that however badly we may be doing Everton means a great deal to many people all over the World.
Well said Michael and well done in reminding us of the true purpose of ToffeeWeb. I shall draw to a close before I get too emotional!! And after waking up to the sad news about Gerry Rafferty (ask your Mum and Dad if you don't know of him) I am emotional enough this morning.
7 Posted 05/01/2011 at 08:32:15
8 Posted 05/01/2011 at 08:44:45
What's especially depressing is that it was apparent within 2 matches this season that our fundamental problem is our inability to score goals- and the lack of any kind of action to redress this problem.
In Cahill's enforced absence, I would go with Beckford, best we have got, at least he is mobile and he does try, and Anichebe, who at least is rough and tough and wants to prove the doubters wrong. I am not too worried about tonight as our better performances have come against the better teams.
Good luck Everton. I'm going for a 3-2 win for Everton.
9 Posted 05/01/2011 at 08:58:25
10 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:02:49
please nnnnggghhh, nnnggghhhhhh......
s'not easy Michael but I agree!
IF we win tonight I'll probably be one of those looking at things completely differently tomorrow but I'm beginning to think the malaise runs much deeper now than a simple lack of funds or tactical nouse and it really should take more than the odd good win to satisfy a good Evertonian.
11 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:06:10
12 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:12:03
Richard ? in Doddyworld, what do you see as the ultimate goal and end product of your heroes "finishing the job"? How will we know?
13 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:29:10
14 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:17:48
Is he big?
If he's small and wimpy I'll tell him to his face #### off
15 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:23:17
Not too long after the F which until then was used the more flamboyant postings became more accepted and the language was excused by TW as how true supporters wish to communicate their viewpoints.
Now, the whole sight has become a more industrial in its language. View points have become reactions and banter is of the aggressive kind you can find on your average YouTube message board.
Its about time people watched their language, though you cant help but feel the lowering of standards in acceptable language go hand in hand with the decline on the pitch.
16 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:40:08
17 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:30:20
18 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:39:30
This is a very valuable website that is used by thousands of Evertonians daily, including myself. But let's not forget about the very many Non-Evertonians who use this site in envy.
It's all about first impressions and I'm sure we can express ourselves a bit better; particularly during frustrating times like this.
19 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:45:18
20 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:46:47
21 Posted 05/01/2011 at 10:00:43
22 Posted 05/01/2011 at 10:23:53
23 Posted 05/01/2011 at 10:28:16
24 Posted 05/01/2011 at 09:47:41
Doddy, you say that BK & DM should stay and finish the job that they started. Was it a 10-year plan to get us relegated? If so, then their timing is impeccable.
25 Posted 05/01/2011 at 10:38:16
26 Posted 05/01/2011 at 10:32:11
Wouldn't it be great if all the debates on TW didn't follow the pattern of expression of particular view,opposing view and then ultimately personal abuse,name calling etc
Put another way I totally disagree with much of what Richard Dodd comments on.
However, I admire Richard for the fact that he continually expresses what he feels to be right often in the face of derision/personal abuse etc from fellow Evertonians.
However, despite this he never resorts to "giving some back". That for me shows dignity and class.
Now that I've paid you a compliment Richard I just want to reiterate ... sorry mate I can't agree with your views on DM and BK !
27 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:08:14
28 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:12:31
29 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:19:02
You are bored as you've lost your petty argument.
30 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:26:33
31 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:32:24
32 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:28:51
I wholeheartedly agree with you and this stance. It was only when i read Lyndons response to a comment re his exceptional piece did i realise just how much you guys must put in to the site. I for one have lost track of the hard work and commitment you make.
Thanks to you all for maintaining the site and long may it continue.
33 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:54:53
34 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:46:53
35 Posted 05/01/2011 at 12:00:07
Trying to express your opinion about football without using basic Anglo-Saxon is difficult.
It's an emotive subject and no other sport messes with your emotions like this great game.
It can make and break your whole week, it causes wifely (?) conflict, ie. "Why are you so upset ? It's only a game".
It brings out the best and worse emotions in supporters the world over and i defy anyone who is as besoted with the game as we are on this site, not to utter the odd curse.
I personally have a distrust of football supporters who remain calm and dignified after youv'e just been mullered. It's not what the game is about.
The game is about emotion, passion, hope and despair.
Long may it remain that way.
36 Posted 05/01/2011 at 12:34:45
If you can't say something without resorting to profuse swearing you're probably not in the right frame of mind to be saying much at all on a public forum.
37 Posted 05/01/2011 at 12:20:38
Gavin #7. If you are feeling ripped off why keep going? If your weren't receiving value in any other part of your life you would stop/change what you do?? It's your choice, mate. Sanctimonious comments like yours are getting a bit boring.
38 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:41:25
I think the problem is that, on Toffeeweb, people sometimes revert to language and responses that they would use down the pub with my mates - at least that is what happens with me.
When the particular term in question is used in the right situation, I personally don't believe it is in any way 'classless and crass' however, when used in the way you describe, I have to agree that it comes across as just that.
Personally, I did only use the term on the live match forum so I don't feel guilty aboutbut point taken and I for one will not be using it again.
39 Posted 05/01/2011 at 12:56:36
40 Posted 05/01/2011 at 12:52:27
Hoping for a good result this evening but not holding my breath re the team selection.
Re the manager, as mentioned numerous times above, either he changes his ways (unlikely) or he can to the honorable thing and step down and let someone else take our club forward.
Thanks for the memories My Moyes but its time for a change if you cannot change the old and very tired tactics.
41 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:22:25
Hence now why Moyes was aksed the question at his latest press conference about whether he'd leave Everton. Disappointingly he's said he won't so we're stuck with Gollum (tongue planted in cheek).
42 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:34:48
Am fascinated to see who he will play tonight.
43 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:32:37
It always makes me laugh reading certain posts from people who continually post about members of the club and what they would say and do to them etc etc. It always makes me laugh because I can guarantee that 99.99999% of them would not say a word if they came across these people in the street etc. It's all keyboard bravery.
44 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:38:09
45 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:48:02
Gone into hiding. You could tell him at every single home game that we have and most away games. Go to the park end car park and you will more than likely see him arriving at the ground and leaving if you really want to.
46 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:43:47
I do at times wonder why you engage in this site as you appear unable/unwilling to countenance anything other than the official line - me thinks you may be a plant (and that's not the garden variety - although a stinking helebora (sp?) springs to mind). Otherwise I think you should get back to the Chamberlain book on appeasement and we can all wait again for more words of wisdom and utter garbage from you.
47 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:54:33
Despite being a proponent for regime change, I feel disquiet reading the aggression in some of the (mostly) anti DM-BK posts against other blue fans.
Things rapidly descend into condescension and personal attack and it diminishes a great site.
48 Posted 05/01/2011 at 13:26:06
So The Fat Controller could be anyone in charge of the train set.
49 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:55:54
Man, I'm confused?
50 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:08:10
I stand by my lines as I'm no hypocrite. Like the other day match thread I was calling for Yak, saw my backside over that one (Mike Gwyer) but admitted it, pity others can't.
51 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:12:31
52 Posted 05/01/2011 at 14:50:35
As far as industrial language is concerned, Dave Lynch (#35) sums it up perfectly. I'm no Mary Whitehouse: those Anglo-Saxon words are part of an extremely rich language; they definitely exist and have their place in our culture (whatever any puritanical prudes may think) and are not going to disappear. In fact, nothing irritates me more than people and now the media using f*cking asterisks or phrases like "the C-word" in some pathetic pretense to supposedly hide the fact they have used an 'expletive' ? even a kid knows exactly what fucking word you mean!
As to us fans swearing at each other on this forum, it may be abusive... it may not, depending on the context and circumstances. I'm not making any hard and fast call on that: if you want to do it, it's up to you. If you think it's abuse, please draw it to our attention by clicking the Report Abuse tab.
As for the parental challenge of protecting your dear little ones from the harsh realities of the world, if you think you can stop them from hearing or reading bad words... good luck with that. My parenting advice (should you wish to accept it!!!) would be to acknowledge and explain the history of the words and concentrate on the circumstances where you think they should or should not be used... and that's the difficulty ? everyone has differing boundaries.
For those of you who don't like to see any swearing or naughty words at all, I apologise in advance that your sensitivities are not going to be pandered to here through censorship.
Nicknames (Gollum, Fat Controller, Ginger Tosser, Billy Liar) ... these are harder to make any rules about. Eric (#48) provides an excellent explanation for the Fat Controller... Gavin less so, perhaps, for the Gollum label, but there is no escaping the likeness!
John Otaway (#11) raises an interesting side note: should we cleanse ourselves of a name or phrase because it's what the kopite twats use?
My opinion on that is direct from our adopted song: "We don't care what the redshite say" ? I would never allow any aspect of my life to be controlled by some consideration of theirs, good, bad or indifferent. I utterly despise kopites and everything they stand for. So I'm afraid you lose that one on principle, John.
Thanks for ... er... most of your comments.
53 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:32:44
54 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:36:57
55 Posted 05/01/2011 at 15:23:36
I don't agree with Michael that people who use vulgarities on this site do not have intelligent things to say. Just because people use a few choice words does not mean that they are stupid. In fact, 'fuck off' is quite mild compared to the stuff I can say in my native dialects about our useless chairman and his uninspiring manager.. Take a chill pill, mate!
56 Posted 05/01/2011 at 16:15:34
57 Posted 05/01/2011 at 16:15:30
However, in my defence it is out of sheer frustation after what we are witnessing this season. Evertonians have seen some crap through the years under Walker, Smith and more, but at least we have felt we still have something to shout for. A winger that can beat a man or Big Dunc getting his head onto a corner, but this year, nothing, zilch.
There are no wingers in our entire squad, we don't have any target men to rough up a few defenders, there is just nothing to get excited about. At least Moyes should be trying something different to try and freshen things up, but it's the same tactics, same formation, same players and therefore same results. What's wrong with 4-3-3 and chucking a couple of enthusiastic youngsters into the team?
Anyway, rant over, thanks for listening!
58 Posted 05/01/2011 at 17:27:11
I am, indeed, classless; yet I have a first class honours degree to back me for the rest of my life.
I'm not mortified by the honest articulation of my opinion. I'm not a hypocrite or anonymous, either.
59 Posted 05/01/2011 at 11:13:27
60 Posted 05/01/2011 at 19:15:19
61 Posted 05/01/2011 at 19:16:59
Thanks for clarifying Michael as I think an occasional well placed fuck now and again can really drive the point home.
62 Posted 05/01/2011 at 22:33:47
For some people a fuck is driving the point home.
63 Posted 06/01/2011 at 01:41:50
Made up with the result tonight.
64 Posted 06/01/2011 at 02:52:25
And yes I am 54 years old but I have watched my team since I was 10. So I think I should be allowed to express myself. But I will say it again: Please stop destroying our club.
65 Posted 06/01/2011 at 07:22:45
66 Posted 06/01/2011 at 14:31:44
67 Posted 07/01/2011 at 10:07:26
I was guilty on one occasion of overstepping the mark - verbal abuse aimed at Distin after the Newcastle or Manure game earlier this season. I got my knuckles wrapped by Micheal or someone from the website and spent the next few days (and contributions) in the sin bin - and rightly so! I was full of remorse so I also went to confession, said three hail Marys and Our Father and vowed never to call Liverpool the Red Shite again. Shit - i've just called them Red Shite again. Aaaaarrrrgggg - I can't help myself ! Oh well, if there's a God, i'm sure he won't mind me calling them that.
I'm now going to go forth and multipy as I better get on with some work, keepin the country goin and keepin my Villa boss happy. He's a knob - Aaaaaaaarrrrg - i've done it again. I can't help myself!
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