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Bolton (A): Reebok Horror Show
David Moyes appears to be convinced that Jermaine Beckford is best used as a super-sub, with Anichebe surprisingly getting the start in his place as the lone striker upfront in place of the injured Saha. Tim Cahill returns finally after his Asian Cup sojourn in Qatar, just in time to replace Jack Rodwell, who got injured playing for England U-21s midweek.
It was fairly disjointed kick-and-rush stuff from both sides early on, with some strongish tackles breaking things up. Bolton did advance well, Cahill giving them the first corner, headed wide, then but Heitinga made a key intervention to deny Kevin Davies. Another Bolton corner was farcically overhit.
When Everton did get the ball, the ploy of aerial crosses to the lone Anichebe looked futle and Bolton were on the attack again, getting a free-kick for a nothing collision where Robinson fell over out wide that ended up in the Everton net off Heitinga's arm from Cahill's glancing header, with less than 10 mins gone. It looked far too easy a goal to give away.
Elamander was booked for scything down Baines but Arteta's delivery was shockingly poor. Anichebe was starting to win the odd lofted ball but the second ball was going nowhere. And on the ground, his style seemed to repel rather than attract the the ball to his feet, defenders always getting theirs in first.
But a fantastic ball in from Baines was taken completely wrong by Cahill, who got into the perfect position but incredibly tried ot control the high ball with his foot rather than executing a trademark header that would have been a nailed on goal for him. Shocking decision.. Better Everton pressure followed from a free-kick, a Baines shot being blocked, and a poor cross defended behind for a corner that was poorly executed by Arteta.
Everton were getting forward but a good driven cross just bounced back off the hulk of Anichebe. A through ball seemed to set Anichebe free but Knight accelerated and stuck his foot in just as Anichebe belatedly pulled the trigger. Both players collapsed but Anichebe, was up after some attention, though Knight's game was up, despite the attempted denial to waste time and allow his sub, Wheater to be made ready. Baines's corner meanwhile was delivered straight to the head of the first defender.
Bolton were strong and physical in denying Everton space, but in possession, they collapsed lie paper tigers at the slightest touch, and Everton were struggling to play with any rhythm or cohesion. Bily looked to release Anichebe but the timing was wrong amd he had moved offside.
Heitinga got sucked in to a clear Sturridge dive and earned a dangerous free-kick that Taylor drove low and Howard saved easily. Bily got himself into acres of space centrally but had no idea what to do as Anichebe' could not get free in front of him, a classic cameo of the difficulty Everton were having to make anything of this visually unappealing spectacle.
Everton tried the longer ball and Cahill 's header down for Anichebe was just too far in front of him. Bily got called for a foul that was curled in well but Howard punched it . A better move finally saw Arteta put in a shot but it was not good enough. At the other end, Fellaini again made an awful giveaway and Bolton had another corner that Anichebe headed away. Mark Davies's shot was deflected for another corner.
A great breakaway from the corner by Everton suddenly opened up with Arteta crossing and Bily clipping a great ball out for Coleman but his touch was poor and Wheater steamrollered him easily. Fellaini then put in an inviting ball for Coleman to attack but it was just too close to the keeper, who slid the ball out of his area on the greasy turf.
It had been a horrible half for Everton, who where perhaps unjustly a goal down and being outmarked and perhaps outwitted by a difficult Bolton side.
No changes after half-time... and there were no appreciable change in the pattern of play, Everton still struggling to get any freedom from the tight shackles of Bolton. Fellaini sucked in by another Sturridge dive that won a dangerous free-kick but the wall did it's job.
Everton got a free-kick and the looping delivery that led to a corner and a spell of Everton pressure around and in the Bolton area but the ball never broke to anyone in a shooting position, and it was horribly s crappy formless stuff. Moyes decided, 5 mins ahead of schedule, that it was time to prep a double-switch but he was beaten to it by Owen Coyle. Lee on for Taylor.
Anichebe used his strength to finally win a good free-kick off Wheater that Baines curled in well but no-one went for it. Cometh the hour... Osman and Beckford on for Bily and Coleman. Cahill, surprisingly left on, turned and shot over from the edge of the area. Osman put in a good cross, but it was defended away as nothing seemed to be working for the Blues...
And just to underline things, Everton failed to clear a free-kick that eventually came to the cheating Sturridge, who lashed it past Howard with 25 mins remaining. Just horrible.
Osman was lively in a forward role, but his link play just wasn't working, and was not helped by a useless free-kick lobbed up by Heitinga straight to the goalkeeper. Osman tried to cross from a difficult position and again, the goalie collected far too easily. Anichebe had been poor all game and was looking increasingly poor, worse than a passenger.
15 mins left and this was possibly the most rubbish display imaginable from Everton, epitomised by the utterly useless Anichebe. Fellaini looked to release Beckford into space but the ball went straight through his legs... just horrible horrible stuff.
Anichebe was fouled by Robinson and Anichebe was finally removed, allowing Jose Baxter to come on. More aerial balls into the Bolton area coming to nothing amidst plenty of tugging and shoving. At the other end, it looked like Bolton's third but Sturridge was wrongly deemed to have allowed the ball to cross the byeline before his very clever backheel was smacked into the Everton net by Davies.
Baxter was lively and he had a shot that was going wide touched around,. From the corner, he tried to lash in a first-time volley that went horribly wide, while later at the other end, a Davies strike curled wide of Howard and just wide of the post before Baxter played in Sturridge who so nearly did make it three for a horrible Bolton side.
In many ways this summed up an awful day in a very wet and miserable office for the relegation-bound Blues.
Michael Kenrick Posted 13/02/2011 at
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John Audsley
2 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:58:04
2 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:58:04
Deplorable
The worst last 20 mins I've seen in years.
Clearly the players/coachs and Moyes have taken direction from BK and given up.
Shameful and I wouldn't be suprised if Moyes walked...
The worst last 20 mins I've seen in years.
Clearly the players/coachs and Moyes have taken direction from BK and given up.
Shameful and I wouldn't be suprised if Moyes walked...
Martin Handley
3 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:54:55
3 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:54:55
Enough is enough! I won't criticise the players anymore. If this Keith Harris is as good as his word and can flog the club then the sooner the better!
Moyes just doesn't or can't cope anymore ? his body language today was appalling. You never EVER start with Anichebe. Beckford will probably ask for a move in the summer.
And Moyes spent the only money we had on 3 kids we'll never see, Gueye, Silva, and the Greek lad. At this rate we could be bottom 3 in a month.
As for big Fellaini, who could blame him if he upped and left! Would you stay if you were a quality player!?
I'm so angry I'll leave it there!
Thomas James
4 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:51
4 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:51
It was a horror show. Moyes's last?
Albert Perkins
5 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:56:59
5 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:56:59
Beckford should have been on instead of Anichebe, who has a poor first touch, hasn't scored for years and goes down like a baby. I don't know what Moyes is thinking about with this boy.
Osman should only be played in desperate situations or when we are winning (ha) and we want to rest players. His first touch was a joke and he is more lightweight that my grannie.
Bolton were first to the ball for most of the game, but only had real chances at the end when we were pushing forward.
Bily had one opportunity to shoot and didn't take it. Bolton are still bruisers and we should be able to play them out of the game.
If Timmy had put that one in, ....well.
Jamie Barlow
6 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:01:36
6 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:01:36
Until we get the basics right, nothing's going to change. We are fuckin abysmal.
Anichebe should never start another game after that shower of shite he showed today. He is huge but falls to the ground at the slightest fuckin touch.
Johnny H should fuck off as soon as possible. He is a shithouse of the highest order.
We play with two wingers who refuse to cross the ball...
I can't carry on or else my computers gonna get it. I've had enough.
The pictures of Moyes at the end says it all for me. No change, no ideas, no fuckin hope!!!!!!!
Phil Rodgers
7 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:37
7 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:37
We really could go down this season. Some players not fit to wear the shirt. The manager looks like he has given up. Starting with Anichebe is like telling Bolton we are playing for a draw.
Trevor Lynes
8 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:57:58
8 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:57:58
We were appalling and Bolton were poor which made it even worse to sit through a diabolical spectacle of really amateurish play. The conditions were bad but we played much better in similar conditions recently against Blackpool. We must be the most frustrating, inconsistent side in the league. I could not really give any player plaudits at all. They were all as bad as each other.
It was also patently obvious that Beckford is not a lone striker so I agree that DM could not start with him as Anichebe had absolutely no support at all in the first half... even when he won a header there was no-one to head the ball onto. We have unfortunately played to this standard too often this season, but sometimes we do raise our game to keep our heads above water... for now!!
Our passing was slow and to players who had no space, we were totally predictable and did not have a clue how to create a chance apart from Cahill's woeful miss which inevitably came from a cross.
The really annoying thing was, Bolton were awful and were there for the taking...
Peter O'Connor
9 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:09:50
9 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:09:50
Shameful team selection; shameful effort (ha); non-existent passing.
Chris Smith
10 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:09:50
10 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:09:50
I have never seen so many players play so badly. Seamus, Bily and Fellaini were shocking. Cahill was not involved. Anichebe was terrible up front but a bit better for five minutes on the right.
Arteta was our best player by a mile but this is mainly by default.
Arteta was our best player by a mile but this is mainly by default.
Richard Farrington
11 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:07:00
11 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:07:00
That was just appalling and the performance takes me back to rthe Walter Smith years ? we were clueless and the players seemed to lack urgency and clearly Moyes is on the edge. I have two lads sat here very very depressed with the situation.
Chris Hannon
12 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:06:25
12 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:06:25
Did anyone see Jaaskelinen with the ball at his feet for a good minute at the end because no-one was interested enough to close him down! That would never of happened a year or two ago! Players and a manger who can't be assed = relegation.
Kieran Kinsella
13 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:10:50
13 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:10:50
I am not saying this to be funny but I honestly think we need Hibbert in the team next week because he always plays best against good teams. Heitinga is bloody awful, Cahill was crap today, Anichebe was useless, Fellaini could have got sent off at least twice. Coleman and Bily looked off the pace and, as per ever, Arteta was a non-factor.
Brian Hill
14 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:00:25
14 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:00:25
Moyes looks utterly lost, like a man with no idea what to do next.
And if he really believes that Anichebe is worthy of employment as a professional footballer then he clearly has lost the plot. Anichebe is down there with Belfitt, Telfer, Krøldrup etc as one of the worst players I have ever seen in a Blue shirt. Yet he has recently signed a new long-term contract whilst Yakubu is sent out on loan!
Everton is a club in freefall and I cannot see where the inspiration will come from to arrest this slide to oblivion.
James Stewart
15 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:13:03
15 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:13:03
Horror show from a team on the brink.
Dean Adams
16 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:12:38
16 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:12:38
We aren't even good enough for relegation.... oh no, you don't need to win or care to get that!!!
Trevor Lynes
17 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:10:50
17 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:10:50
Don't just snipe at individual players ? they were all awful and I include Fellaini whose distribution was crap. As I've said many times, we have no cover for certain players who can virtually play whenever they like.
Osman looked yards too slow when he came on and that is a sign of lacking match practice. Some of these bench warmers must play in the reserves to get real practice.
I'm afraid that Beckford cannot play as a lone frontman and he should only be used in a REAL 4-4-2 system.
Malcolm Dorr
18 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:02:58
18 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:02:58
I was thinking of going to Bolton to watch this match. I am so glad I didn't.
What a poor performance ? Why, oh why, did we keep launching the ball forward in the air when Bolton have got probably one of the tallest back 4 in the league?
There are too many questions to ask of today's game. If they play like that next week, there's just no hope for us !!
Paul Bristow
19 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:08:48
19 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:08:48
We loaned the wrong guy, Anichebe should be playing in the Championship ? not the Yak... but I guess that was another short-sighted money-driven deal ? the stupid thing is we recoup more money than the Yak's salary by simply finishing higher up the league.
No matter what is said about Moyes, I feel sorry for him; he is playing in league where every single team has a greater willingness to spend, even bloody Blackpool.
There was only Baines and Howard today who played well.
Steve Harris
20 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:12:13
20 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:12:13
When you sell your best player for peanuts (excuse the pun), let two strikers go out on loan, and don't invest a bean on freshening things up ? what can you expect? Before we lose more players and (god forbid) Moyes, we've got to get Kenwright out.
KENWRIGHT OUT! NOW!
Zak Foster
21 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:59:55
21 Posted 13/02/2011 at 17:59:55
As an ardent Evertonian I would have to say that was one of the worst displays of football that they have produced in the past ten years. Fellaini's performance was absolutely abyssmal and Anichebe lacked commitment and drive in the latter half of the game, not to mention another poor perfomance from Heitinga. The refereeing was dire and lacked consistency, which only added to a lacklustre performance.
Our only redeemers for effort in this game seemed to come from Arteta, Neville, Distin and the youngster Baxter. If we are going to have to endure less skillful players due to lack of funds, we as fans should be compensated with players who have determination and a true comittment to the club, such as (I am sorry to say) was displayed last week by a Blackpool player and his dramatic last-ditch goalline clearance.
Phil Bellis
22 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:16:11
22 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:16:11
Gutless, spineless, pointless:- my summary
But, let's hope Doddy will be on soon to give us his assured, on good authority, click-your-heels-together-three-times appraisal of where I'm wrong.
But, let's hope Doddy will be on soon to give us his assured, on good authority, click-your-heels-together-three-times appraisal of where I'm wrong.
Brian Williams
23 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:20:31
23 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:20:31
I couldn't wait to get on here to vent my anger and disappointment, but everything I wanted to say has been well said already, so... like most of the team today... I'll just not fuckin' bothered!
Jackie Barry
24 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:17:56
24 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:17:56
I feel sorry for Beckford for having to watch that show from Anichebe before he came on. What a wonder that will do for self-confidence. I come on and score last week and then get replaced by a player who hasn't scored in how many matches? Moyes should've gone to specsavers.
Simon Watts
25 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:19:07
25 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:19:07
No doubt this willl be blamed on bad investment, but it was the team selection. I had a bad feeling from the start and did not want to watch once Anichebe was playing.Why not start someone who has not scored all season, goes down too easy, and is a liability for fouls and being sent off, and has no positional sense?
Beckford did not look happy coming on, and I am not surprised. We will lose Beckford in the summer and keep Anichebe. His golden boys, Hibbert, Osman and Anichebe are not good enough. Yet they will stay on thousands a week, while good players will leave. Bily looked frustrated with Anichebe today.
Steve Guy
26 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:22:39
26 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:22:39
I will be relieved when this season is over and we are hopefully still in the EPL. Poor. Baines for all his good work let himself down badly for the second goal, drifting of Sturridge and giving him a free shot.
Good article on our plight by Andy Dunn in the News of the Screws today.
Good article on our plight by Andy Dunn in the News of the Screws today.
Andy Crooks
27 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:21:07
27 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:21:07
This is possibly the worst performance I have seen in ten years. The fact that injuries have left us short is entirely due to mismanagement. In my view, this is the equal of Walter Smith at Boro.
Surely David Moyes must resign while we have a hope of staying up. It is not an urban myth that an unexpected team goes down each year. It will be us.
Steve, Kenwright should go, but won't; Moyes must go. In God's name, how on earth can anyone defend this man.
Jonathan Tasker
28 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:18:49
28 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:18:49
I am in the minority ? maybe of one ? but I don't think Anichebe is that bad; he worked hard with no support.
Overall I actually thought the commitment was good ? what let us down was dreadful technique repeatedly ? so many times the first touch was dire.
Bily and Heitinga need to be shipped out ? expensive mercenaries that are of no use yet use up cash we haven't got. When you see a player like Sturridge avaiable on loan, I refuse to believe we cannot balance the books a bit better to bring in at least one forward that can stay fit and score regularly.
Overall I actually thought the commitment was good ? what let us down was dreadful technique repeatedly ? so many times the first touch was dire.
Bily and Heitinga need to be shipped out ? expensive mercenaries that are of no use yet use up cash we haven't got. When you see a player like Sturridge avaiable on loan, I refuse to believe we cannot balance the books a bit better to bring in at least one forward that can stay fit and score regularly.
Finally, Coleman worries me. He sometimes looks like the next Gareth Bale but too often he looks like a child who is way out of his depth.
Elgin Joshua
29 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:30:00
29 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:30:00
#32. "too often he looks like a child... way out of his depth", you did mean Victor Anichebe right?
Andy Crooks
30 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:28:43
30 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:28:43
Incidentally. I challenge those who posted last week after the glorious win over Blackpool and attacked anyone who had a doubt to come on her and defend David Moyes. The coach has been exposed some time ago. He should try and salvage what dignity he has left and go. Who will replace him? Fucking anyone.
Roman Sidey
31 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:25:38
31 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:25:38
Jackie I think instead of saying "how many matches" you should have said "how many years". Looking at the sheet before the game, can anyone honestly say that any of Bolton's starting players are better than their Evertonian counterpart for their position (besides Sturridge/Davies/Elmander over Vic, of course). I can't, but they played better as a team than us. Everyone in a blue shirt today looked like it was their first time playing football.
Three times this year, THREE, that we have all said labelled a performance "the worst we've ever seen". Speaks volumes about where the the team is heading.
Three times this year, THREE, that we have all said labelled a performance "the worst we've ever seen". Speaks volumes about where the the team is heading.
Robert Daniels
32 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:19:26
32 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:19:26
DNP Howard 6;
Baines 6 ? At least he tried, but bad marking for the second goal;
Distin 6,
Hietinga 4, quicker he fucks off the better;
Neville 2 fuck off to that giant of a club with two league titles to there name;
Coleman 6 endevour,
Arteta 7 best game he's had this season,
Felli 7 poor first half by his standards, awesome second and took the fight to wimbledon..........
Bily 6 tried to get a foot in and create something,
Cahill 4 still in Oz,
Anichebe 3 woefull, touch of a rapist,
Osman 3 powderpuff,
Beckford 5 tried to influence , made some good runs,
Baxter 6 hard luck with the volley, and brought a save out of their keeper.
Moyes 0 ? starting with Vic who couldn't trap a bag of cement, Osman neville etc,
Letting Yak go out on loan and relying on Vic instead, after refusing money for him in the summer.
Kenwright - 48million Get out you fucking inept twat.
Baines 6 ? At least he tried, but bad marking for the second goal;
Distin 6,
Hietinga 4, quicker he fucks off the better;
Neville 2 fuck off to that giant of a club with two league titles to there name;
Coleman 6 endevour,
Arteta 7 best game he's had this season,
Felli 7 poor first half by his standards, awesome second and took the fight to wimbledon..........
Bily 6 tried to get a foot in and create something,
Cahill 4 still in Oz,
Anichebe 3 woefull, touch of a rapist,
Osman 3 powderpuff,
Beckford 5 tried to influence , made some good runs,
Baxter 6 hard luck with the volley, and brought a save out of their keeper.
Moyes 0 ? starting with Vic who couldn't trap a bag of cement, Osman neville etc,
Letting Yak go out on loan and relying on Vic instead, after refusing money for him in the summer.
Kenwright - 48million Get out you fucking inept twat.
Eugene Ruane
33 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:17:18
33 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:17:18
Anichebe was (and is!) absolute shite but remember, HE DIDN'T PICK HIMSELF.
That was entirely down to the imaginationless 'Guid Book' Presbyterian.
Mr fucking 'safety' first who picked Vic AHEAD of a striker who scored a belter last week.
(A decision by the way that had fuck all to do with money ? it was simply the wrong choice by the wrong man.)
'Moyesiah'?
Moyesiah, my big fat hairy hole!
That was entirely down to the imaginationless 'Guid Book' Presbyterian.
Mr fucking 'safety' first who picked Vic AHEAD of a striker who scored a belter last week.
(A decision by the way that had fuck all to do with money ? it was simply the wrong choice by the wrong man.)
'Moyesiah'?
Moyesiah, my big fat hairy hole!
Ryan Holroyd
34 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:35:43
34 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:35:43
Shocking performance. Just dreadful.
Victor, Heitinga, Bily, Neville ? All need to be shipped out.
Moyes, please resign now. You've run out of your steam at this club., Everton has drained you of life. This is what happens when working for cunts like Bill Kenwright.
For your own reputation, Moyes, leave now. You're better than working for this sinking ship.
KENWRIGHT OUT.
Victor, Heitinga, Bily, Neville ? All need to be shipped out.
Moyes, please resign now. You've run out of your steam at this club., Everton has drained you of life. This is what happens when working for cunts like Bill Kenwright.
For your own reputation, Moyes, leave now. You're better than working for this sinking ship.
KENWRIGHT OUT.
Andy Crooks
35 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:42:21
35 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:42:21
Say what you mean, Eugene.
Guy Hastings
36 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:22:05
36 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:22:05
It seems that every week I ask, "What the fuck do they do at the training ground?"
If you're going to play a lone striker, ensure that he has the basics of ball control. If he hasn't, don't play the system. Their first goal came because Anichebe let the ball bounce off him for ten yards back. The free kick is irrelevant. If he hadn't fucked that up, they wouldn't have been awarded the kick in the first place.
And why, Lord, oh why can we not get the ball past the first man at a free kick? It's simply pathetic. We might as well pass the ball backwards to Distin to hoof it for all the fucking good our free kicks are. We're the most fouled team in the division and still we can't make them count.
If I had a spare £100 million to buy a club and was watching MotD, I'd be looking at the going rate of a Championship side in the summer.
David Lloyd
37 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:35:17
37 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:35:17
Moyes looks totally disheartened, which can't be good for morale. It looks like he's gone as far as he can go with the finances available.
Anichebe not good enough, Heitinga a waste of space, Bilyaletdinov not living up to expectations. Let's face it, Moyes has made some shite signings.
Dave Lynch
38 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:42:50
38 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:42:50
You have to marvel at Osman:
No physical presence
Can't pass
Can't head
Can't shoot
No vision
Can't tackle
In fact he's shit in all departments.
I really do despair.
Ray Griffin
39 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:43:06
39 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:43:06
Post (#32) "...but I don't think Anichebe is that bad; he worked hard with no support."
What game were you watching? He stood like a statue most of the afternoon, never tracked back, and showed more energy slapping the ground than actually doing anything of note.
I've been supporting Everton for over 40 years & he has to be up there with the worst players ever to wear the shirt.
What game were you watching? He stood like a statue most of the afternoon, never tracked back, and showed more energy slapping the ground than actually doing anything of note.
I've been supporting Everton for over 40 years & he has to be up there with the worst players ever to wear the shirt.
Simon Gilmovitch
40 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:29:09
40 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:29:09
Depressed, pissed off, gutted, fucking angry, resigned and not surprised.
Victor as a lone striker is beyond a fucking joke?????
What the fuck is wrong with Kenwright? Can't he see what is staring him in the face? Relegation!!!!!!
Victor as a lone striker is beyond a fucking joke?????
What the fuck is wrong with Kenwright? Can't he see what is staring him in the face? Relegation!!!!!!
John Audsley
41 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:44:33
41 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:44:33
They don't do anything on the training ground, that's clear.
I hate what Kenwright and his silent friends are doing to the club BUT today was all about Moyes and how he sets his team up to play.
Utterly useless from first to last minute.
Sit sulking, DM, but it's down to you, your inept methods and your woeful tactics.
I hate whingin about EFC but GOD, WE ARE FUKIN' AWFUL.
I hate what Kenwright and his silent friends are doing to the club BUT today was all about Moyes and how he sets his team up to play.
Utterly useless from first to last minute.
Sit sulking, DM, but it's down to you, your inept methods and your woeful tactics.
I hate whingin about EFC but GOD, WE ARE FUKIN' AWFUL.
Tony Hughes
42 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:43:02
42 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:43:02
Jonathon Tasker, (32) ? you don`t think Anichebe is that bad? Sorry, mate ? you are either related to him or off trolley!!!!
John Brennan
43 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:45:00
43 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:45:00
How could you possibly argue with the Moyesiah today?
The obvious thing to do today was to drop Beckford and take off Coleman. We were superb in restricting Bolton to 2 goals.
Well done, Davey... now let's restrict Chelsea to just 3.
Onwards and upwards, ahhh??
Alan Rooney
44 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:53:35
44 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:53:35
Seeing Moyes sitting out the last 20 mins was ominous for me. He never does that and the look on his face said we have reached the limit. Come the summer he'll be off and so will Fellaini, Arteta and Cahill. We'll be lucky to saty up this year but that will be just deferring the inevitable next season unless BK can find his investor.
Paul Olsen
45 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:51:30
45 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:51:30
Oh my what a poor performance. Anichebe turned in the most awful performance EVER.
Fellaini placed bad passes all around all game, his worst performance in an Everton shirt all season.Heitinga was shit. Coleman clearly needs a rest, but do we have anyone to replace him? No.
Bily just as poor as i remembered him through most of his Everton career. Arteta had a decent first 60 and then faded badly.
So many concerning aspects in one game, horrible.
Fellaini placed bad passes all around all game, his worst performance in an Everton shirt all season.Heitinga was shit. Coleman clearly needs a rest, but do we have anyone to replace him? No.
Bily just as poor as i remembered him through most of his Everton career. Arteta had a decent first 60 and then faded badly.
So many concerning aspects in one game, horrible.
Paul Olsen
46 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:51
46 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:51
And the attitude of some of our player's today was truly disgraceful. Just to add to an already miserable afternoon.
Steve Barr
47 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:40
47 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:40
Michael,
Your final sentence summed up where our great club is going, into the relegation battle once again.
I'm afraid this season is the culmination of a general lack of vision and ambition through various regimes, notwithstanding finances, the whole set up stinks!
We are in need of inspiration from somewhere and I don't see it in the current set up.
Your final sentence summed up where our great club is going, into the relegation battle once again.
I'm afraid this season is the culmination of a general lack of vision and ambition through various regimes, notwithstanding finances, the whole set up stinks!
We are in need of inspiration from somewhere and I don't see it in the current set up.
Jon Cox
48 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:37:38
48 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:37:38
Oh I get it, Anichebe starts after Beckford scored a goal last week which was technically as good as Rooney's was yesterday.
MOYES OUT!
MOYES OUT!
Richard Flynn
49 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:05
49 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:05
I have just listened to Mr Moyes giving his reasoning for starting with the goal machine that is Victor Anichebe ? to hold the ball up like Saha did last week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Classic stuff from the master tactician.
Paul Olsen
50 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:28
50 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:28
As for young Jose Baxter, he proved today that he is no worse than our other bags of shite, let the lad have some playing time in the coming weeks.
Right Davie? Yeah, sure.
Are you aware that you have a player named Gueye, Davie?
When everyone else is rubbish, why not try? Just try!
Right Davie? Yeah, sure.
Are you aware that you have a player named Gueye, Davie?
When everyone else is rubbish, why not try? Just try!
Al Reddish
51 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:03
51 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:03
Kieran @ 14. I totally agree with your Hibbert comment. Neville does not seem himself and hardly supports Coleman. I think Hibbert and Jags need to come in for Neville and Heitinga.
At the moment, we are in a scrap and shipping goals and these two may not be much when passing forward, but they can defend.
Also, Moyes should never have started with Anichebe.
The one major plus was Arteta had his best game for months (except for the usual dead balls!); however, his poor form seems to have passed on to Cahill.
Tony Wilson
52 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:48
52 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:54:48
Moyes deserves to go for his body language alone.
It's hard work getting over £60k a week to play dire football.
The Toffeeweb Taliban might be right in that the board have stagnated, but they could at least show they have balls and get shut of Kaiser Moyes.
Give the job to somoeone who wants it. Moyes himself is great at soundbites about working within restraints, but actions speak louder than words.
It's hard work getting over £60k a week to play dire football.
The Toffeeweb Taliban might be right in that the board have stagnated, but they could at least show they have balls and get shut of Kaiser Moyes.
Give the job to somoeone who wants it. Moyes himself is great at soundbites about working within restraints, but actions speak louder than words.
Col Hughes
53 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:01
53 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:01
Anichebe shouldn't be allowed near a football pitch, simple as that, he should be working the doors in town, the nob. The worst player I have seen in a blue shirt for years.
And another point, Moyes I've noticed now doesn't seem as interested anymore, how many times have we gone behind this season and he just sits their shaking his head? He should be off his arse and screaming at the players, whether we are winning or not, like Coyle was doing today.
And another point, Moyes I've noticed now doesn't seem as interested anymore, how many times have we gone behind this season and he just sits their shaking his head? He should be off his arse and screaming at the players, whether we are winning or not, like Coyle was doing today.
John Sreet
54 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:06
54 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:56:06
Very poor, we've been a lot better than this recently.
David Moyes, no idea if he's great or not, certainly his peers think he is the goods; however, he has clearly had enough, and I expect he will leave us soon.
Looks like big Sam for us or Reid, as no-one will want this poison chalice, berated by the supporters, starved of funds by the board!
Doubt very much we will go down, but I expect we've seen the last of David Moyes, I for one wish him good luck, better support, and another chance somewhere else.
Martin Hughes
55 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:06:29
55 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:06:29
Toothless, gutless, and to top it all, we are potless. I felt sorry for Moyes today... he looked out of his depth. I wouldn't blame him if he went ? then what?
It seems to me he knows what is going on behind closed doors: administration is only around the corner... sorry guys but I think we need to face this head on.
Moyes if you go thanks for 9 wonderful years ? cheers mate!
Steve Barr
56 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:48
56 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:58:48
John 44,
None of us want to be negative about our team but unfortunately the management and players justify this negativity. They are all very well paid professionals, supposedly the best in their field otherwise they would not be in the Prem!
Unfortunatley their performances have been very poor throughout the season and the worst aspect is the complete lack of effort and personal responsibility.
Surely someone on the field has enough self-respect / self-esteem / spunk to get out there and motivate this rabble? I guess most on this web site would be embarrassed to turn in the type of "day's work" turned out today, and on many other days this season!
None of us want to be negative about our team but unfortunately the management and players justify this negativity. They are all very well paid professionals, supposedly the best in their field otherwise they would not be in the Prem!
Unfortunatley their performances have been very poor throughout the season and the worst aspect is the complete lack of effort and personal responsibility.
Surely someone on the field has enough self-respect / self-esteem / spunk to get out there and motivate this rabble? I guess most on this web site would be embarrassed to turn in the type of "day's work" turned out today, and on many other days this season!
Lee Gray
57 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:03:30
57 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:03:30
Time for a REVOLUTION...?
Andy Codling
58 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:00
58 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:00
Why would Moyes walk? He gets over £65 grand a week and has no targets to meet, he can finish tenth (if we're lucky) and has a job life, at least while Kenshite is in charge.
Jamie Barlow
59 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:02
59 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:02
If Moyes does go and we do get Big Sam, that's it for me. Finished.
Martin Hughes
60 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:15:28
60 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:15:28
I hear Walter Smith is leaving Rangers at the end of the season!!!!!......
Kunal Desai
61 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:14:28
61 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:14:28
Summer should be fun, at least we'll get some action at the club. Either Moyes will get some SIGNIFICANT funds from the board to spend on player recruitment, or BK will be going through the yellow pages trying find someone to manage the club. Me thinks the latter is very likely to take place.
Martin Hughes
62 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:18:38
62 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:18:38
Kunal as I said Walter Smith will have a clear diary for then!!!!!!
Phil Rodgers
63 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:12:47
63 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:12:47
With the players available, Moyes has done a terrible job this season, regardless of Pienaar and Yak leaving.
David Minahan
64 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:50:40
64 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:50:40
Tony, maybe I'm off my trolley as well, who wouldn't be after watching today's classic? All I would say in defence of Victor is that it would have been a big ask to expect even a Duncan Ferguson to play up on his own against a big rough defence like Bolton without anybody alongside him whatsoever. Before the first goal even Cahill was playing in deep midfield
The buck stops with the man who picks the team and decides the tactics.
David Moyes is said to earn £3 million plus a year but chose to abdicate for the last 20 minutes or so of the game; sitting on his seat stone-faced and not attempting to communicate in any way whatsoever with the players out on the pitch!! This is the man who, according to the Liverpool Echo, waited and waited to get rid of Joseph Yobo because of his alleged lack of commitment to the Everton cause when he said he was unfit for the Benfica game!! David if you are fed up, and you know that the club can't afford to sack you then perhaps it is time to do the decent thing .
The buck stops with the man who picks the team and decides the tactics.
David Moyes is said to earn £3 million plus a year but chose to abdicate for the last 20 minutes or so of the game; sitting on his seat stone-faced and not attempting to communicate in any way whatsoever with the players out on the pitch!! This is the man who, according to the Liverpool Echo, waited and waited to get rid of Joseph Yobo because of his alleged lack of commitment to the Everton cause when he said he was unfit for the Benfica game!! David if you are fed up, and you know that the club can't afford to sack you then perhaps it is time to do the decent thing .
John Audsley
65 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:15:23
65 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:15:23
Moyes's "post match" comments are piss poor... Nothing like his dreadful scowling during the game. Just the usual "players are as down as me" bollox. Get a pair yerself, you miserable twat, and sort it.
Robert Daniels
66 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:00
66 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:11:00
9 wonderfull years? Jesus wept, Why stop there?
Thanks for the free flowing attacking football, thanks for the trophies, the crazy team selections, the usual collapse at the start of every season.
Don't forget to thank Bill TalkShite for the new Kings Dock stadium, and the Planet Hollywood faggot for Rocky... Didn't he play in goal during the war!
Thanks for the free flowing attacking football, thanks for the trophies, the crazy team selections, the usual collapse at the start of every season.
Don't forget to thank Bill TalkShite for the new Kings Dock stadium, and the Planet Hollywood faggot for Rocky... Didn't he play in goal during the war!
Richard Farrington
67 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:19:26
67 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:19:26
Lee @62 - what do you suggest?
Clearly, the course we are on is depressing and the unthinkable could well happen.
What can we do to make a difference and alter the course?
The answer is of course ? fuck all. I will happily join your "revolution" if it changes this fucking complete mess we are in.
Clearly, the course we are on is depressing and the unthinkable could well happen.
What can we do to make a difference and alter the course?
The answer is of course ? fuck all. I will happily join your "revolution" if it changes this fucking complete mess we are in.
Kunal Desai
68 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:20:38
68 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:20:38
Martin ? It will be the Kendall era all over again. This time Wally Walter will finish off what he meant to do 9 years ago... take us down. HAHA!
Chris Smith
69 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:19:21
69 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:19:21
I blame the lack of funding rather than Moyes. It was clear before the season started that we needed a forward and a right winger. There was no money. Yak clearly wanted to leave so what choice did Moyes have? We had to take the Pienaar money.
It is criminal how we have failed to build upon what we had.
There is no excuse for playing Anichebe though.
It is criminal how we have failed to build upon what we had.
There is no excuse for playing Anichebe though.
Phil Rodgers
70 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:21:23
70 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:21:23
I would give Walter another chance after that shit.
Martin Hughes
71 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:23:08
71 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:23:08
Talk about finishing us off.... where's Mike Walker these days?
Andrew McGreavy
72 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:28:03
72 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:28:03
Mike Walker runs a skip business in Norwich, maybe he could use his company to take all the rubbish away from Goodison?
Brian Waring
73 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:29:53
73 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:29:53
Phil (#68) ? Nail on the head, mate.
Alex Kociuba
74 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:31:06
74 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:31:06
I am as angry as anyone, but to completely overlook Bolton's performance is beyond biased. They gave us no room to manoeuvre, no space to turn and attack. We've played like Bolton did many, many times before and we rarely put it down to the opposition being shit.
We were poor, Bolton were good.
We were poor, Bolton were good.
David Lloyd
75 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:36:54
75 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:36:54
Agree with Alex #79. Bolton sharper on the ball than we were. Our defence especially Heitinga at fault.
James Hollister
76 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:36:47
76 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:36:47
Alex Kociuba - Bolton where actually very poor...the sad thing is, our squad should have gone there and absolutely battered them. Player for player ours where way better.
You say they gave us no room, tell me then, when did we actually try to make any in the first place?
Everyone one of our lads was running into each other, the passing was just dire, defending laughable.
At the end of the day, to say they completely outplayed us, is an even bigger insult. If anything it was us who let them play, let them do what they wanted, because no-one ? and I mean no-one cared.
You say they gave us no room, tell me then, when did we actually try to make any in the first place?
Everyone one of our lads was running into each other, the passing was just dire, defending laughable.
At the end of the day, to say they completely outplayed us, is an even bigger insult. If anything it was us who let them play, let them do what they wanted, because no-one ? and I mean no-one cared.
Stephen Doyle
77 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:41:48
77 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:41:48
Moyes has just been described as 'the Scottish tactician' by the reporter on Sky sports website! Has Richard Dodd found new employment?
James Hollister
78 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:40:15
78 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:40:15
I was gobsmacked when I saw the line up today. The moment I saw it, I knew we where well and truly in trouble before the ref blew the whistle from the off.
Anichebe ahead of Beckford... "Wow" is all I could say to that.
I can't understand how he managed to break into the squad the other week. Defies logic. He is without doubt one of the worst players I have seen at Goodison in a long long while and to select him ahead of an actual goalscorer just underlines how inept our manager truly is.
Bily and Coleman off for Becks and Osman ? Becks should have started. But to remove the wingers to make room for Anichebe on the wing... Wow again.
Most of the passes going astray, everything just a disaster on the pitch, and then we have the manager sitting there stone-faced, refusing to get up and kick some sense into the players from the touchline.
We need an injection of ideas and some guts, something the current manager lacks in large quantities... if we don't get shut of him or he doesn't walk, I fear for the safety of this club. To say we won't go down... on today's performance alone we deserve it, absolutely shocking and one of the worst if not worst performances I have seen.
Moyes ? if you have any respect for this club, do the honorable thing and just walk away. You did your best, and under trying circumstances over the past 9 years we've had our ups and downs and even managed to punch above our weight. I want to thank you for services, but it's time you actually admitted defeat instead of showing it week-in and out on the pitch. If you no longer give twopence for the job, just go and thank you for some of the memories.
Anichebe ahead of Beckford... "Wow" is all I could say to that.
I can't understand how he managed to break into the squad the other week. Defies logic. He is without doubt one of the worst players I have seen at Goodison in a long long while and to select him ahead of an actual goalscorer just underlines how inept our manager truly is.
Bily and Coleman off for Becks and Osman ? Becks should have started. But to remove the wingers to make room for Anichebe on the wing... Wow again.
Most of the passes going astray, everything just a disaster on the pitch, and then we have the manager sitting there stone-faced, refusing to get up and kick some sense into the players from the touchline.
We need an injection of ideas and some guts, something the current manager lacks in large quantities... if we don't get shut of him or he doesn't walk, I fear for the safety of this club. To say we won't go down... on today's performance alone we deserve it, absolutely shocking and one of the worst if not worst performances I have seen.
Moyes ? if you have any respect for this club, do the honorable thing and just walk away. You did your best, and under trying circumstances over the past 9 years we've had our ups and downs and even managed to punch above our weight. I want to thank you for services, but it's time you actually admitted defeat instead of showing it week-in and out on the pitch. If you no longer give twopence for the job, just go and thank you for some of the memories.
James Hollister
79 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:53:36
79 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:53:36
It's pretty clear to me, he has lost the players completely. As such, no team spirit, no desire, no commitment.... and the look on Beckford's face today just before he came on, sums up pretty much how the players feel.
The board need kicking out, we all know that, but it isn't them that select the team each week, it's down to one man, and if the players have had enough of him... then he has no choice but to go.
The board need kicking out, we all know that, but it isn't them that select the team each week, it's down to one man, and if the players have had enough of him... then he has no choice but to go.
Tony Doran
80 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:24:54
80 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:24:54
Hoping to wake up and find Anichibe and Moyes are Ant and Dec in disguise.
Tom Hughes
81 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:59:22
81 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:59:22
It wouldn't be too difficult to "lose the players" if you have to keep selling your best ones.... you lose them quite literally then!
Roman Sidey
82 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:04:24
82 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:04:24
Yeah Mark, that's the thing. You're right in the approach. If he's on a contract we can get money for him, but it's backfired because now we're stuck with him.
Mark Kearns
83 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:03:39
83 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:03:39
James - I think you are right, he didn't even look Championship quality today. Then again you could say that about most of the team. I really don't understand why Yak went on loan - i'd be looking at getting him back.
Ian Edwards
84 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:00:50
84 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:00:50
How anyone can defend Moyes after today is criminal.
He sat on his arse sulking.
Its the supporters who should sulk for the following reasons:
The Negative Failure chose Anichebe
The Negative Failure chose Johnny shithouse Heitinga
The Negative Failure left Jagileka on the bench
The Negative Failure took our width off (Bily and Coleman)
The Negative Failure put Anichebe on the right wing
The Negative Failure left Beckford up front on his own
The Negative Failure sulked like a three year old.
The Negative Failure said at the start of the season that we should challenge for the top four and has just said on sky we have been in a relegation battle since the 3rd game of the season.
You are taking us down. PLEASE GO NOW.
He sat on his arse sulking.
Its the supporters who should sulk for the following reasons:
The Negative Failure chose Anichebe
The Negative Failure chose Johnny shithouse Heitinga
The Negative Failure left Jagileka on the bench
The Negative Failure took our width off (Bily and Coleman)
The Negative Failure put Anichebe on the right wing
The Negative Failure left Beckford up front on his own
The Negative Failure sulked like a three year old.
The Negative Failure said at the start of the season that we should challenge for the top four and has just said on sky we have been in a relegation battle since the 3rd game of the season.
You are taking us down. PLEASE GO NOW.
James Hollister
85 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:04:46
85 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:04:46
+Tom Hughes. I don't really think it's down to loosing Pienaar. I really don't. I think it's more to do with the body language the manager shows to his players.
You can say what you want in the half time talk, but if your body language shows you couldn't care less..then there is only going to be one outcome.
I am surprised we still have half decent players at the club. Any player worth his salt will want to move to a club with ambition, to win things. Some thing I don't think you can say with this entire Everton regime.
At the end of the day it's down to Moyse, it's his job to get them to play, to look after their welfare etc etc. If he is incapable of doing that, which is clearly the case, then there can be no option but to say cheerio, or the rot keeps festering to the point we arrive at today, being a weekly match by match thing.
You can say what you want in the half time talk, but if your body language shows you couldn't care less..then there is only going to be one outcome.
I am surprised we still have half decent players at the club. Any player worth his salt will want to move to a club with ambition, to win things. Some thing I don't think you can say with this entire Everton regime.
At the end of the day it's down to Moyse, it's his job to get them to play, to look after their welfare etc etc. If he is incapable of doing that, which is clearly the case, then there can be no option but to say cheerio, or the rot keeps festering to the point we arrive at today, being a weekly match by match thing.
John Daley
86 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:31:44
86 Posted 13/02/2011 at 19:31:44
"Moyes I've noticed now doesn't seem as interested anymore, how many times have we gone behind this season and he just sits there shaking his head? He should be off his arse and screaming at the players whether we are winning or not, like Coyle was doing today."
That's exactly what wound me up the most today. Moyes sat there with a face on, seemingly sulking and muttering to himself occasionally, whilst blanking his coaching staff and players. Even the commentator on Sky said that, even with 20 minutes still to play, it was obvious from his body language that Moyes had already written this game off.
That's exactly what wound me up the most today. Moyes sat there with a face on, seemingly sulking and muttering to himself occasionally, whilst blanking his coaching staff and players. Even the commentator on Sky said that, even with 20 minutes still to play, it was obvious from his body language that Moyes had already written this game off.
To my mind that is a disgrace. He's the fucking manager. They're his players out on that pitch. He should be cajoling, prompting, and if necessary berating them until the final whistle. Not sat there feeling sorry for himself and staring blankly into space like a hopelessly demoralised hobo who's just realised that some heartless bastard's only gone and swiped his last can of Special Brew.
His attitude at the moment appears reminiscent to the time when he was stalling over signing his contract extension and bemoaning the amount of injuries in the squad. In every interview he constantly repeated the mantra that we were nowhere near ready to start the season and were currently in no shape to win games in the Premier League. Inspirational stuff.
It has been clear for months now that he cannot pinpoint what has gone so badly wrong this season and has no real idea how he is going to turn the situation round. It's just a case of doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different outcome.
Ian Smitham
87 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:12:05
87 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:12:05
Just got in from the game. Started reading the stuff on this thread, and by the time i had read to 77 the thread was at 90 odd.
Very accurate report MK (you know I do not like to agree with you) and a poor display agianst a team who I did not really think were that good.
I am all about attitude, when we play well or bad. Today, I saw things that thought were bad attitude and the body language of the players was awful.
Worrying
Very accurate report MK (you know I do not like to agree with you) and a poor display agianst a team who I did not really think were that good.
I am all about attitude, when we play well or bad. Today, I saw things that thought were bad attitude and the body language of the players was awful.
Worrying
Kieran Kinsella
88 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:15:58
88 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:15:58
Ian Edwards
Some answers to your points
The Negative Failure chose Anichebe
Beckford was crap too when he came on.
The Negative Failure chose Johnny shithouse Heitinga
Jags has been crap all year.
The Negative Failure left Jagileka on the bench
Good ! He could not score an own goal then
The Negative Failure took our width off (Bily and Coleman)
They both had poor games anyway.
The Negative Failure put Anichebe on the right wing
You said he was crap anyway so why not try him somehwere else ?
The Negative Failure left Beckford up front on his own
OK so if Anichebe is crap and Beck is the only other striker what would you do ?
The Negative Failure sulked like a three year old.
True but would your prefer he did a Houllier and celebrated with the other teams fans ?
The Negative Failure said at the start of the season that we should challenge for the top four and has just said on sky we have been in a relegation battle since the 3rd game of the season.
Well what is he supposed to say ? That we have been challenging top 4 all year ?
.
Some answers to your points
The Negative Failure chose Anichebe
Beckford was crap too when he came on.
The Negative Failure chose Johnny shithouse Heitinga
Jags has been crap all year.
The Negative Failure left Jagileka on the bench
Good ! He could not score an own goal then
The Negative Failure took our width off (Bily and Coleman)
They both had poor games anyway.
The Negative Failure put Anichebe on the right wing
You said he was crap anyway so why not try him somehwere else ?
The Negative Failure left Beckford up front on his own
OK so if Anichebe is crap and Beck is the only other striker what would you do ?
The Negative Failure sulked like a three year old.
True but would your prefer he did a Houllier and celebrated with the other teams fans ?
The Negative Failure said at the start of the season that we should challenge for the top four and has just said on sky we have been in a relegation battle since the 3rd game of the season.
Well what is he supposed to say ? That we have been challenging top 4 all year ?
.
Alex Kociuba
89 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:11:07
89 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:11:07
James Hollister, I did not say "they completely outplayed us", merely that Bolton deserve some credit for having a good game plan and sticking to it.
Declan Burke
90 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:03:15
90 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:03:15
What has really worried me for some time is that we have no leader on the pitch. Someone who can lead by example.
Our tactics are also shit. Howard rolls the ball to the edge of the area and then boots it up in Big Vic's direction. Result, the ball comes straight back.
Also, how the fuck did Moyes think that he could get away with loaning out two strikers, given Saha's medical history and only have Beckford and Vic as back-ups? He might have saved a few quid on wages, but that will pale into insignificance if (when?) we go down ? by which time, Bill's valuation of the club will be in the crapper.
Mike Oates
91 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:08:57
91 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:08:57
Moyes has big problems all over the field - his defence particularly Heitinga is woeful. Even Distin looked cleuless today , there isn't any understanding between him and heitinga - get Jags back in at least he throws his body into where it hurts .
I actually thought Arteta looked on song again just as FEllaini was having a bad game (certainly 1st half) but Coleman and Bily are never going to cut it as wide men . Bily is so slow, and using Osman there is also a waste of time .
Upfront Beckford hasn't got the nouse or touch to be used as the main target man and Anichebe is one big baby. The strange one today is Cahill was so poor - I suspect because he couldn't read Anichebe's Bily's or Coleman's moves.
Where does Moyes go from here - well knowing us he probably go to Stamford Bridge with much the same team and snatch a result but I feel today demonstrated that we are a mid-table team with no cutting edge at all and dear Mr Kenwright that's going to cost you £30m to repair before we even start with wide midfielders.
I actually thought Arteta looked on song again just as FEllaini was having a bad game (certainly 1st half) but Coleman and Bily are never going to cut it as wide men . Bily is so slow, and using Osman there is also a waste of time .
Upfront Beckford hasn't got the nouse or touch to be used as the main target man and Anichebe is one big baby. The strange one today is Cahill was so poor - I suspect because he couldn't read Anichebe's Bily's or Coleman's moves.
Where does Moyes go from here - well knowing us he probably go to Stamford Bridge with much the same team and snatch a result but I feel today demonstrated that we are a mid-table team with no cutting edge at all and dear Mr Kenwright that's going to cost you £30m to repair before we even start with wide midfielders.
Richard Farrington
92 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:15:15
92 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:15:15
I think we all feel its time for Moyes to go.
A simple question though - who will come in?
Martin O'Neill would be most peoples first choice but he moaned at the lack of investment at Villa so he would not come.
Big Sam? Peter Reid?
We are in meltdown- Anichebe would not get a game at Tranmere. Heitinga should have been dropped after that powder puff tackle against Blackpool but Moyes basically didn't have the balls to do it.
Its crunch time for Moyes/Kenwright and the board.
A simple question though - who will come in?
Martin O'Neill would be most peoples first choice but he moaned at the lack of investment at Villa so he would not come.
Big Sam? Peter Reid?
We are in meltdown- Anichebe would not get a game at Tranmere. Heitinga should have been dropped after that powder puff tackle against Blackpool but Moyes basically didn't have the balls to do it.
Its crunch time for Moyes/Kenwright and the board.
Ian Edwards
93 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:20:32
93 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:20:32
Kieran Kinsella
Moyes left us with no width and Anichebe shouldnt be any where near the team let alone out of position on the wing.
Why did Moyes let Yak and Vaughan leave?
See you in the Championship Kieran. Dont come crying when it happens.
Moyes left us with no width and Anichebe shouldnt be any where near the team let alone out of position on the wing.
Why did Moyes let Yak and Vaughan leave?
See you in the Championship Kieran. Dont come crying when it happens.
Mike Hughes
94 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:28:45
94 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:28:45
Cue quotes in the newspapers from any Everton player / manager tomorrow: "We must do better / improve etc."
Shove it up your arse.
Shove it up your arse.
John Daley
95 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:23:49
95 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:23:49
"Martin O'Neill would be most peoples first choice.."
"...as most slappable speccy twat on the planet?" *
*Apologies to all visually impaired optical lens wearers.
"...as most slappable speccy twat on the planet?" *
*Apologies to all visually impaired optical lens wearers.
Jamie Tulacz
96 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:41
96 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:41
Ian- without doubt Moyes had to let 1 or 2 leave in the transfer window, as the club is in such a state.
Does beg the question though as to why it was the Yak and Vaughan rather than Anichebe. Any football fan with a modicum of eyesight could see that Anichebe is worse than useless and should never get anywhere near the team.
Moyes has looked like a man who has given up in the last few weeks, though few could blame him given the conditions he's having to work in now.
Does beg the question though as to why it was the Yak and Vaughan rather than Anichebe. Any football fan with a modicum of eyesight could see that Anichebe is worse than useless and should never get anywhere near the team.
Moyes has looked like a man who has given up in the last few weeks, though few could blame him given the conditions he's having to work in now.
Shaun Laycock
97 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:31:28
97 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:31:28
Here something that will make you laugh.......lifted from Sky Sports website......."With the players we've got we should get out of it, but the players aren't playing well enough," added the Scottish tactician."
Tactician...are you sure? I have more of a clue in my left testicle than him. Tactician indeed!!!
Tactician...are you sure? I have more of a clue in my left testicle than him. Tactician indeed!!!
Ken Farrington
98 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:28:01
98 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:28:01
I'm still shell shocked after witnessing one of the worst displays in 60 years of supporting the Toffees. Solutions are required but its only 5 weeks since we perfomed so well against Tottenham so is it that we don't play well against the "bruisers" i.e. the Stoke City's & Bolton's of the premier league who don't allow us to play the football that we're capable of? DM it's time to earn your 65 grand a week and get us up that table pronto
Jon Cox
99 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:24:36
99 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:24:36
Chris Smith (73)
Yak clearly wanted to leave
Links please....
Yak clearly wanted to leave
Links please....
Steve Higham
100 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:29
100 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:29
Three questions did anyone watch the Yak for Leicester last night ?
Scored a cracking goal and lead there line brilliantly. Looked very fit and played like a PL player - why is he playing for Leicester and not us ?
He was exactly what we needed today someone to hold the ball up and link the play .
What is Sven doing that Moyes or his useless coaching staff could not do ?
Scored a cracking goal and lead there line brilliantly. Looked very fit and played like a PL player - why is he playing for Leicester and not us ?
He was exactly what we needed today someone to hold the ball up and link the play .
What is Sven doing that Moyes or his useless coaching staff could not do ?
James Hollister
101 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:18:42
101 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:18:42
I think the problem boils down to complacency in the squad.
Solution is very simple. You tell the lads, look this is how things are going to be, you play shit then you don't get in to the team. If I have to replace you with a reserve then so be it until you can be bothered, then carry the threat out, if you have to do this to the entire team, so be it!
If it doesn't wake them up to the fact their team place is seriously at risk, then it's time to offload them. If you don't want to play for Everton then off you go, I only want players here will fight for the cause if thats not you, I am putting you up for transfer.
Might not be popular, but in the long run, it's going to pay off. Players are no longer complacent, because they will be too worried for their position.
The important thing to note here, it's been clear since he arrived, he has his favourites, and this right here is the real root of the problem. They know they can get away with anything because the manager is too afraid to be pro active and remove them until their attitude is more befitting a player who wants to play for the club.
This I am afraid is something Moyse has not learned in all the time he has been here. And why he will never resort to doing something like this. These players need a kick up the arse, and so does the manager for allowing it to ever get to this stage.
You make do with what you have, and you manage the team not the players..which is exactly what is happening now.
Solution is very simple. You tell the lads, look this is how things are going to be, you play shit then you don't get in to the team. If I have to replace you with a reserve then so be it until you can be bothered, then carry the threat out, if you have to do this to the entire team, so be it!
If it doesn't wake them up to the fact their team place is seriously at risk, then it's time to offload them. If you don't want to play for Everton then off you go, I only want players here will fight for the cause if thats not you, I am putting you up for transfer.
Might not be popular, but in the long run, it's going to pay off. Players are no longer complacent, because they will be too worried for their position.
The important thing to note here, it's been clear since he arrived, he has his favourites, and this right here is the real root of the problem. They know they can get away with anything because the manager is too afraid to be pro active and remove them until their attitude is more befitting a player who wants to play for the club.
This I am afraid is something Moyse has not learned in all the time he has been here. And why he will never resort to doing something like this. These players need a kick up the arse, and so does the manager for allowing it to ever get to this stage.
You make do with what you have, and you manage the team not the players..which is exactly what is happening now.
Richard Farrington
102 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:36:07
102 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:36:07
John Daley - Please give me a name then?
James Hollister
103 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:37:48
103 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:37:48
Alex Kociuba - sorry mate, my bad
Mike Green
104 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:33:49
104 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:33:49
Everyones a bit down tonight aren't they...? Whats going on?
Sean Keigher
105 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:07:52
105 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:07:52
Whats with Fellaini and his flailing elbows and total lack of awarenes
Whats with Anichebe full stop
Whats with Coleman taking 10 steps back overnight
Whats with Heitinga constantly giving away freekicks 20 yards from our goal.
Whats with Areteta losing the vision to pick out a pass
Whats with Moyes tactics & player selection time & time again
What does the future hold for Everton FC????
I could go on...
Whats with Anichebe full stop
Whats with Coleman taking 10 steps back overnight
Whats with Heitinga constantly giving away freekicks 20 yards from our goal.
Whats with Areteta losing the vision to pick out a pass
Whats with Moyes tactics & player selection time & time again
What does the future hold for Everton FC????
I could go on...
Malcolm Dorr
106 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:32:32
106 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:32:32
Do you know who Moyes reminded me of today? Roy Hodgson just before he was let go from that lot on the other side of the park, that's who. The problem for us is that, if Moyes goes, we haven't got a "king" in the backroom waiting to take over the position.
Steve Barr
107 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:34:59
107 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:34:59
Shaun 108,
Just seen that as well. I recall reading/listening to similar post match comments on many other occasions this season!
The same with the players "call to arms" after each piss poor performance.
Moyes and players are absolutely right. However they better get out there and heed their own advice otherwise they will surely take us down to the Championship.
Just seen that as well. I recall reading/listening to similar post match comments on many other occasions this season!
The same with the players "call to arms" after each piss poor performance.
Moyes and players are absolutely right. However they better get out there and heed their own advice otherwise they will surely take us down to the Championship.
Steve Higham
108 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:29
108 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:29
Three questions did anyone watch the Yak for Leicester last night ?
Scored a cracking goal and lead there line brilliantly. Looked very fit and played like a PL player - why is he playing for Leicester and not us ?
He was exactly what we needed today someone to hold the ball up and link the play .
What is Sven doing that Moyes or his useless coaching staff could not do ?
Scored a cracking goal and lead there line brilliantly. Looked very fit and played like a PL player - why is he playing for Leicester and not us ?
He was exactly what we needed today someone to hold the ball up and link the play .
What is Sven doing that Moyes or his useless coaching staff could not do ?
James Hollister
109 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:38:32
109 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:38:32
Kieran Kinsella - Beckford was crap because he became the lone striker..plain and simple
James Hollister
110 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:41:46
110 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:41:46
Martin O'Neill would be most peoples first choice but he moaned at the lack of investment at Villa so he would not come.
At least the man would have the cajoles to actually confront these crooks in charge of the club
At least the man would have the cajoles to actually confront these crooks in charge of the club
Tom Hughes
111 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:33:24
111 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:33:24
Moyes has taken this club from relegation probables, to the best of the rest, year after year on a budget of next to nothing.... Earning every penny he's had to spend along the way himself. He has taken the club as far as ANY manager could on the ridiculous budget he's had to work with. I'm an Evertonian, but if I had've been him, I would've walked long ago! Is it any wonder he's sitting there bemused? All his effort to build some semblance of a decent squad from the dross Walter left him has been all in vain....
Richard Farrington
112 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:47:50
112 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:47:50
Yes O'Neill would not be Kenwrights little bitch and would tell things straight - but he would not come to this shower.
Joe Bibb
113 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:43:51
113 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:43:51
Moyes sat on his arse head in hands with ten minutes to go, Owen Coyle stood shouting encouraging his players . Moyes accepted defeat, he is a disgrace to the name of Everton Football Club, he went to West Ham and played without any Centre Forward, he has the 8 worst records in Evertons long History and some say he will walk away, lol, He is on £3.5 million a year why should he walk away? Most fans still support his negative play, but next season we will all see the response when season ticket sales tumble. Thats the only way to get this man off our back, empty the ground. For the first time ever today i was embarrassed to be an Evertonian, imagine any neutral watching that game , i bet most pub managers turned it off.
Richard Farrington
114 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:50:22
114 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:50:22
Yes Tom at 122 - he tried but he failed. Its all very very sad and I think he has done his best but I think his relationship wit the Chairman is unhealthy and it clearly has led to stagnation.
Steve Barr
115 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:49:13
115 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:49:13
I'm depressed to say that Moyes has actually taken us from relegation probables to relegation probables!
The point is that this squad is more than capable of playing much better than this. The manager and players have to take responsibility for our current position. None of them are poorly paid regardless of the club's financial mire.
The club's financial status will surely prevent us from competing for honours and a regular place in the top 6 or 7... but surely lack of finances is no excuse for the inept performances we continue to be servd up with?
That is down to the manager and players. ONE OR SOME OF THEM HAVE TO GO.
The point is that this squad is more than capable of playing much better than this. The manager and players have to take responsibility for our current position. None of them are poorly paid regardless of the club's financial mire.
The club's financial status will surely prevent us from competing for honours and a regular place in the top 6 or 7... but surely lack of finances is no excuse for the inept performances we continue to be servd up with?
That is down to the manager and players. ONE OR SOME OF THEM HAVE TO GO.
James Hollister
116 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:56:50
116 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:56:50
@Tom Hughes: How can you defend the undefendable?
Face it, tactically he is totally out of his depth. We all know this.
You have some sort of hang up with the finances fair enough, but at the end of the day if the manager does not have the respect or desire of his own players, and the inability to change anything then it's down to him and him alone.
If players are not playing to their ability then give some of the reserves lads a crack of the whip, I am more than sure they'd jump at the chance, even if they aren't terribly good. Surely the very chance of establishing a place in the first team will send a message to those shower today, that I will not tolerate this shit. But he doesn't instead he keeps naming the same names week in out regardless of how bad they have been.
You breed complacency by allowing the same situation to unfold week after week and if you don't have the cajoles to do anything about it like the above, then your in the wrong profession.
Face it, tactically he is totally out of his depth. We all know this.
You have some sort of hang up with the finances fair enough, but at the end of the day if the manager does not have the respect or desire of his own players, and the inability to change anything then it's down to him and him alone.
If players are not playing to their ability then give some of the reserves lads a crack of the whip, I am more than sure they'd jump at the chance, even if they aren't terribly good. Surely the very chance of establishing a place in the first team will send a message to those shower today, that I will not tolerate this shit. But he doesn't instead he keeps naming the same names week in out regardless of how bad they have been.
You breed complacency by allowing the same situation to unfold week after week and if you don't have the cajoles to do anything about it like the above, then your in the wrong profession.
David Price
117 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:48:55
117 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:48:55
Howard, Baines and Arteta can feel ok by their performance. The rest of them, i just don't get it. To get beaten with that display is too much to take.
Said to my lad when i heard the team news, lose 2-0, gutted i was right. What must Beckford feel like watching Victor from the sidelines. Oozing with confidence now for Chelsea i'll bet.
Respect Moyes but it was disgraceful today. Really worried now.
Said to my lad when i heard the team news, lose 2-0, gutted i was right. What must Beckford feel like watching Victor from the sidelines. Oozing with confidence now for Chelsea i'll bet.
Respect Moyes but it was disgraceful today. Really worried now.
Christopher McCullough
118 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:00:47
118 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:00:47
Ian Edwards 103
"Why did Moyes let Yak and Vaughan leave?"
Accounting errors? 14 mortgages? Your guess is as good as mine.
"Why did Moyes let Yak and Vaughan leave?"
Accounting errors? 14 mortgages? Your guess is as good as mine.
Tom Hughes
119 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:58:41
119 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:58:41
Richard,
So, who's done more for Everton in the last 9 yrs.... the Chairman or Moyes? Honestly, I don't think Ferguson would've have done any better with the same cards.
So, who's done more for Everton in the last 9 yrs.... the Chairman or Moyes? Honestly, I don't think Ferguson would've have done any better with the same cards.
Ian Tunstead
120 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:56:50
120 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:56:50
The performance from Victor was the worst i can ever remember in a blue shirt an i have seen some awful displays from Osman so that is saying something.
I would love to know how we have ever managed to win a game with those 2 on the same pitch. He must be in the top 10 worst prem players of all time. I have stuck up for him in the past because he was very young but there his been no development in his game in 3 years.
There's no point playing him to hold the ball up because its just never gonna happen, even if he does look like a big strong lad.
The reason Drogba can hold the ball up so well isnt becuase he's a big strong lad, its because he's a good player. Victor is not.
Sadly i dont think Moyes could have changed it much without having a similar result.
I would love to know how we have ever managed to win a game with those 2 on the same pitch. He must be in the top 10 worst prem players of all time. I have stuck up for him in the past because he was very young but there his been no development in his game in 3 years.
There's no point playing him to hold the ball up because its just never gonna happen, even if he does look like a big strong lad.
The reason Drogba can hold the ball up so well isnt becuase he's a big strong lad, its because he's a good player. Victor is not.
Sadly i dont think Moyes could have changed it much without having a similar result.
Jonathan Tasker
121 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:53:53
121 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:53:53
Does it occur to any of you that the manager's options are severely restricted by finances?
Some of you have very short memories. Yakubu scores a few goals in the league below and suddenly he is Dixie Dean. A few weeks ago he was a fat twat who couldn't trap a bag of cement.
I am not the manager's biggest fan but sometimes you do have to wonder about the players as well-what is Moyes supposed to when players like Bily and Heitinga just couldn't care less but the potential replacements are either injured or kids.
Read the finances and then consider if moyes went .would we get a decent replacement.
Put simply the salaries we pay are already far too high for the income we receive and the top earners such as Arteta are not producing.
Some of you have very short memories. Yakubu scores a few goals in the league below and suddenly he is Dixie Dean. A few weeks ago he was a fat twat who couldn't trap a bag of cement.
I am not the manager's biggest fan but sometimes you do have to wonder about the players as well-what is Moyes supposed to when players like Bily and Heitinga just couldn't care less but the potential replacements are either injured or kids.
Read the finances and then consider if moyes went .would we get a decent replacement.
Put simply the salaries we pay are already far too high for the income we receive and the top earners such as Arteta are not producing.
James Hollister
122 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:07
122 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:07
Tom Hughes - Fergie would have hammered them. Thats the truth, and he have shipped them out at the first opportunity.
If there is one thing SAF excels at, its getting the best from his players. He knows how to change a game, and he won't put up with the shit that was on display today.
So in hindsight to say he couldn't do a better job is churlish imo. SAF is 10 times the man Moyse will ever be.
If there is one thing SAF excels at, its getting the best from his players. He knows how to change a game, and he won't put up with the shit that was on display today.
So in hindsight to say he couldn't do a better job is churlish imo. SAF is 10 times the man Moyse will ever be.
James Hollister
123 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:06:21
123 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:06:21
@ Jonathan Tasker - does it occur to you we have reserve players who can be played and that the manager can make an example out of the current first team if they aren't prepared to put a shift in?
We may loose, then again they may surprise us, but at the end of the day when you don't have the cajoles to actually say look, this is no longer acceptable and your position is no longer tenable until you get your act together.
The point is Jonathon..he picks the team, not the board, the finances have very little to do with it come a match day. You make do with what you have, if your incapable of making the hard decisions then why are you trying to manage the team?
We may loose, then again they may surprise us, but at the end of the day when you don't have the cajoles to actually say look, this is no longer acceptable and your position is no longer tenable until you get your act together.
The point is Jonathon..he picks the team, not the board, the finances have very little to do with it come a match day. You make do with what you have, if your incapable of making the hard decisions then why are you trying to manage the team?
Richard Farrington
124 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:09
124 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:09
Tom - I accept that Moyes has been good for Everton but it is time for a change.
I am not saying for a minute that Kenwright should stay.
Lots of decisions have been made that either Moyes or the board have been made have been wrong.
Yakubu going? Leaving us to play the woeful Anichebe is a joke.
What is your suggestion on the Manager situation?
I am not saying for a minute that Kenwright should stay.
Lots of decisions have been made that either Moyes or the board have been made have been wrong.
Yakubu going? Leaving us to play the woeful Anichebe is a joke.
What is your suggestion on the Manager situation?
Tom Hughes
125 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:12
125 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:04:12
James,
Manager of the year several times is hardly indefensible...
"Hang up over finances"......? You're joking aren't you? Financially the club is a basket case.... outspent by everyone.... and completely unsustainable.... that's not a "hang up".... it's a complete disaster. The fruits of that mismanagement you're seeing now.... Moyes made the mistake of not unearthing another high-profit player to sell on, and even if he had, no doubt he would've got half the proceeds 5 mins before the deadline...... not being funny lads but you're after champagne of one crushed grape.
Manager of the year several times is hardly indefensible...
"Hang up over finances"......? You're joking aren't you? Financially the club is a basket case.... outspent by everyone.... and completely unsustainable.... that's not a "hang up".... it's a complete disaster. The fruits of that mismanagement you're seeing now.... Moyes made the mistake of not unearthing another high-profit player to sell on, and even if he had, no doubt he would've got half the proceeds 5 mins before the deadline...... not being funny lads but you're after champagne of one crushed grape.
Charles King
126 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:23:42
126 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:23:42
I'm amazed we win any games.
The Moyes gameplan has always been hoof it, press and defend en masse.
This season's attempt to play on the ground with his choice of journeymen footballers struggling to pass and control was ego winning over ability.
Worryingly every man and his dog can see a simple pressing game against us will cough the ball up and lack of pace means we have no out ball to counter.
We are tremendous tossers for supporting this shit for so long.
The Moyes gameplan has always been hoof it, press and defend en masse.
This season's attempt to play on the ground with his choice of journeymen footballers struggling to pass and control was ego winning over ability.
Worryingly every man and his dog can see a simple pressing game against us will cough the ball up and lack of pace means we have no out ball to counter.
We are tremendous tossers for supporting this shit for so long.
Col Hughes
127 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:13:03
127 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:13:03
Bring in Andy Gray!
Guy Hastings
128 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:06:54
128 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:06:54
Mind you, it was raining.
John Daley
129 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:58:03
129 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:58:03
"John Daley - Please give me a name then?"
Why, and more pertinently what would be the point? Anyone can pull a name out of the air but it's just their own opinion and counts for fuck all in the end. You rate Martin O'Neill and don't want to produce a roundhouse every time he rears his misshapen head. I don't and I do.
I was just interested in your assertion that he "would be most peoples first choice". Not "may be", not "would probably be" even. Where did you get the impression from that Martin O'Neill is the man "most" Everton fans want as their next manager?
Why, and more pertinently what would be the point? Anyone can pull a name out of the air but it's just their own opinion and counts for fuck all in the end. You rate Martin O'Neill and don't want to produce a roundhouse every time he rears his misshapen head. I don't and I do.
I was just interested in your assertion that he "would be most peoples first choice". Not "may be", not "would probably be" even. Where did you get the impression from that Martin O'Neill is the man "most" Everton fans want as their next manager?
Richard Farrington
130 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:17:31
130 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:17:31
A play on words Mr Daley.
Of the Managers available that would be in Evertons spectrum - O'Neill would have to be top of the list - who else is available.
Oh yes, I hear Mourinho is disenchanted at the Bournebau!!
Of the Managers available that would be in Evertons spectrum - O'Neill would have to be top of the list - who else is available.
Oh yes, I hear Mourinho is disenchanted at the Bournebau!!
Denis Richardson
131 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:53:16
131 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:53:16
Jeez, missed the game but judging by the posts that was a good thing.
Am going to stick my head in the sand for the rest of the season and pray that when I take it out in May, we will still be in the PL.
Am going to stick my head in the sand for the rest of the season and pray that when I take it out in May, we will still be in the PL.
Thomas James
132 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:51
132 Posted 13/02/2011 at 18:05:51
It was a horror show. Moyes' last?
Ryan Holroyd
133 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:12:40
133 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:12:40
Tom, you're wasting your time with some people. Bill is a 'blue' and that is all that matters to some people. He's not a yank but a 'blue' remember.
Bk wouldn't 'EVER', i mean, 'EVER' do anything to hurt EFC. Not 'Blue Bill'. oh no. Not a chance. Too much of a 'blue' is Bill.
As long as Bill is a 'Blue' nothing can ever be his fault. How the cunt was allowed to stay as EFC owner without been chased out of town after Kings Dock failure is anyone guess.
Kopites wouldn't stand for the wanker.
As you say, what Moyes has spent he has earnt by his higher than budgeted it for league places. Or by selling Rooney and Lescott.
Not ONE, I repeat ONE director, including 'Blue Bill' has put ONE PENNY of their money into EFC. FACT.
Bill Kenwright doesn't even allow AGM's anymore because if asked a difficult question, the cunt can't answer it. He's a chancer.
His ego dictates that he would rather see EFC relegated than give up control of EFC.
Bk wouldn't 'EVER', i mean, 'EVER' do anything to hurt EFC. Not 'Blue Bill'. oh no. Not a chance. Too much of a 'blue' is Bill.
As long as Bill is a 'Blue' nothing can ever be his fault. How the cunt was allowed to stay as EFC owner without been chased out of town after Kings Dock failure is anyone guess.
Kopites wouldn't stand for the wanker.
As you say, what Moyes has spent he has earnt by his higher than budgeted it for league places. Or by selling Rooney and Lescott.
Not ONE, I repeat ONE director, including 'Blue Bill' has put ONE PENNY of their money into EFC. FACT.
Bill Kenwright doesn't even allow AGM's anymore because if asked a difficult question, the cunt can't answer it. He's a chancer.
His ego dictates that he would rather see EFC relegated than give up control of EFC.
Ken Farrington
134 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:16:50
134 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:16:50
Re the Yak & James Vaughan situation, its acceptable to farm players out on loan if they're replaced but that hasn't happened. I'm not the Yak's biggest fan but its all hands to the pump at present and they should haul him back sharpish. Steve Round was at Derby to watch him presumably to report on his progress so tell DM the Yak still knows where the back of the net is. As for replacing Moyes, I still think it too early and I for one would not wish to see Martin O'Neill but if there is going to be a change what about Dave Jones?
James Hollister
135 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:12:21
135 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:12:21
Tom - The very same manager of the year who cant comprehend basic stuff such as tactics or the ability to change the system when it's not working?
The same manager of the year who keeps on playing his favourites regardless who he names on the bench?
I don't know about you, come match day, it's job to ensure the team thats goes out there gives its all. Not select a team based on favoritism week in and out.
If something doesn't work you change it, problem is, he allows the same thing to happen week after week. This isn't finances mate, it's his inability to see what the problem actually is. Which is clearly complacency has set in.
They know he won't change the system, who cares if they don't perform..I mean he isn't going to change anything is he? He hasn't got the guts to replace Neville or Heitinga or who ever happens to be playing bad week in and out.
If they don't want to play, then get some of the reserves on..and if that doesn't change their attitude, then sell them and being players in who do. If that means bringing in lower league players then so be it. It marks his stamp on the team, that if you can't be bothered, i'll bring in one of reserves and give them a chance.
We know this isn't going to happen, because thats not how he works.
As for the awards, everyone including our grannies and his granny probably voted for him with media pressure.
I am sorry that I don't see what you do, but his time is over because he has been unable to make decisions, sometimes hard ones for the better of the team. if you don't want to be an Everton player tata
I am more than sure we'd make 40/50 million from some of these lazy complacent buggers out there.
The same manager of the year who keeps on playing his favourites regardless who he names on the bench?
I don't know about you, come match day, it's job to ensure the team thats goes out there gives its all. Not select a team based on favoritism week in and out.
If something doesn't work you change it, problem is, he allows the same thing to happen week after week. This isn't finances mate, it's his inability to see what the problem actually is. Which is clearly complacency has set in.
They know he won't change the system, who cares if they don't perform..I mean he isn't going to change anything is he? He hasn't got the guts to replace Neville or Heitinga or who ever happens to be playing bad week in and out.
If they don't want to play, then get some of the reserves on..and if that doesn't change their attitude, then sell them and being players in who do. If that means bringing in lower league players then so be it. It marks his stamp on the team, that if you can't be bothered, i'll bring in one of reserves and give them a chance.
We know this isn't going to happen, because thats not how he works.
As for the awards, everyone including our grannies and his granny probably voted for him with media pressure.
I am sorry that I don't see what you do, but his time is over because he has been unable to make decisions, sometimes hard ones for the better of the team. if you don't want to be an Everton player tata
I am more than sure we'd make 40/50 million from some of these lazy complacent buggers out there.
Roman Sidey
136 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:21:13
136 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:21:13
I'll put forward a name and I don't give a fuck what anyone has to say about it.
I WANT ROY KEANE TOMORROW!!!
He is one man who knows how to tell someone how shit they are.
I WANT ROY KEANE TOMORROW!!!
He is one man who knows how to tell someone how shit they are.
Richard Farrington
137 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:31:23
137 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:31:23
Ken @145. Please explain to me the benefits (other than being a former blue) of Dave Jones being the next Everton Manager. What as he acheived and what would he bring to change things?
Paul Gasgoigne is back in the fold I hear. He played for us and has management experience at Boston United.
He just ordered a triple at the fish 'n' eels in Hoddesdon.
Paul Gasgoigne is back in the fold I hear. He played for us and has management experience at Boston United.
He just ordered a triple at the fish 'n' eels in Hoddesdon.
Ryan Holroyd
138 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:41:51
138 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:41:51
ROY KEANE HAHAHAHAHAH
Kevin Tully
139 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:36:54
139 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:36:54
Just want this season to end, just hope we stay up.
Who would of thought this is were we would be at the start of the season ?
The board should do the honourable thing and sell without a huge profit, before they destroy the club.
The whole ethos of Everton is now at a Championship level. If we can stay in the Premier League, we may get another chance.
PLEASE GO KENWRIGHT, AND TAKE THE HANGERS ON WITH YOU.
Who would of thought this is were we would be at the start of the season ?
The board should do the honourable thing and sell without a huge profit, before they destroy the club.
The whole ethos of Everton is now at a Championship level. If we can stay in the Premier League, we may get another chance.
PLEASE GO KENWRIGHT, AND TAKE THE HANGERS ON WITH YOU.
Richard Farrington
140 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:43:17
140 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:43:17
Roy Keane?
Apparantly all the staff at Ipswich (players/backroom staff/admin and kitchen staff were shit scared of him)
Its a no for me.
Apparantly all the staff at Ipswich (players/backroom staff/admin and kitchen staff were shit scared of him)
Its a no for me.
Andy Crooks
141 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:40:35
141 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:40:35
David Moyes must go.Who could do better? Well before we get the usual Evertonians suggesting that he cannot be replaced let me offer anyone I'd rather have:
Gus Poyet
Glen Hoddle
Owen Coyle
Paul Lambert
Gus Poyet
Glen Hoddle
Owen Coyle
Paul Lambert
James Hollister
142 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:35:27
142 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:35:27
Roman - good choice mate, isn't a terribly good manager, but he wouldn't stand for this garbage.
Worst part is player for player we should be fighting in the top 6 still,, despite loosing Pienaar.
I admire Oneill for the type of man he is. He could have stayed at Villa for a long time, I don't know how much he was being paid. But he stood up to chairman and told him that selling his best players was unacceptable and if he carried on doing it, he was gone. True to his word he walked.
You might not like the way he does business, or some of the things he says, but he is without doubt a man of his word, he has the temerity to go to his chairman and tell them if they sell his best player, then it's time to find a new manager..some thing our Davey hasn't got the balls to do.
I can't help but wonder if our manager had the balls to confront this board and said...you pay me to manage this team, I am incapable of doing that with no funds, things have gone south, your job is to ensure I can bring players in..if you can't do that then I am out of here because I can't do the job you expect of me, regardless of how much you paid for my silence.
Worst part is player for player we should be fighting in the top 6 still,, despite loosing Pienaar.
I admire Oneill for the type of man he is. He could have stayed at Villa for a long time, I don't know how much he was being paid. But he stood up to chairman and told him that selling his best players was unacceptable and if he carried on doing it, he was gone. True to his word he walked.
You might not like the way he does business, or some of the things he says, but he is without doubt a man of his word, he has the temerity to go to his chairman and tell them if they sell his best player, then it's time to find a new manager..some thing our Davey hasn't got the balls to do.
I can't help but wonder if our manager had the balls to confront this board and said...you pay me to manage this team, I am incapable of doing that with no funds, things have gone south, your job is to ensure I can bring players in..if you can't do that then I am out of here because I can't do the job you expect of me, regardless of how much you paid for my silence.
Tony Wilson
143 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:47:00
143 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:47:00
Charles, #137, says it all:
"We are tremendous tossers for supporting this shit for so long."
I won't be watching Everton again this season. I am a non-believer!
The board may have had it's day but I am starting to detest the manager and some of our wonderful players.
"We are tremendous tossers for supporting this shit for so long."
I won't be watching Everton again this season. I am a non-believer!
The board may have had it's day but I am starting to detest the manager and some of our wonderful players.
Robbie Muldoon
144 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:34:45
144 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:34:45
I've just dropped some hard class A drugs to open up my mind and see the solution to our problems... and I have reached ecstacy!
Imagine next season with Ian Holloway on the touchline beaming with pride at landing a job at what he would describe and rightly so as one of the biggest clubs in the country!
The derranged chairman that is Bill Kenwright can offer him no money, other than the £18m available from the sales of Fellaini and Heitenga who both placed transfer requests in at the end of the season.
Holloway works wonders on a limited budget, and signs an absolute gem of a striker for 8m from Hamburg called Marcus Berg, a tall both footed centre forward who scores twice on his debut at Goodison.
An attacking mentality is installed into the team and the team bursts into life, free from the constrictive choke hold of David Moyes' negative shite of 9 years.
David Moyes takes the Celtic job and fails to win a thing in his first season and is sacked.
I have seen the future people and it is BEAUTIFUL!!!
Imagine next season with Ian Holloway on the touchline beaming with pride at landing a job at what he would describe and rightly so as one of the biggest clubs in the country!
The derranged chairman that is Bill Kenwright can offer him no money, other than the £18m available from the sales of Fellaini and Heitenga who both placed transfer requests in at the end of the season.
Holloway works wonders on a limited budget, and signs an absolute gem of a striker for 8m from Hamburg called Marcus Berg, a tall both footed centre forward who scores twice on his debut at Goodison.
An attacking mentality is installed into the team and the team bursts into life, free from the constrictive choke hold of David Moyes' negative shite of 9 years.
David Moyes takes the Celtic job and fails to win a thing in his first season and is sacked.
I have seen the future people and it is BEAUTIFUL!!!
Mike Green
145 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:47:22
145 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:47:22
Kevin Tully - we could win the FA Cup yet....
Roman - Roy Keane - erm..... maybe not.
Martin Jol for me. All day long.
A good man, good football, good weed. Why look any further...?!
Martin Jol Martin Jol Martin Jol....!
Roman - Roy Keane - erm..... maybe not.
Martin Jol for me. All day long.
A good man, good football, good weed. Why look any further...?!
Martin Jol Martin Jol Martin Jol....!
James Hollister
146 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:52:36
146 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:52:36
Andy - Owen Coyle, i concur a very good manager and id swap him with Moyse tomorrorow if I could.
Id also through Martin Jol out there, another top class manager, except I dont know where he is any more
Id also through Martin Jol out there, another top class manager, except I dont know where he is any more
Colin Smith
147 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:07
147 Posted 13/02/2011 at 20:29:07
None of us knows the real background to Kenwright, the board, lack of cash etc - so from where I sit there is no point in saying much on the subject. What I did see today was comfortably the most clueless performance since Walter thankfully left. Yes Moyes hasn't been dealt a good hand, but he hasn't played it well. Big Vic is an easy target & his faults are well documented, although pitch thumping like spoiled three year old was a new one! What really screwed us today was Fellaini having an off day, along with Coleman & Bily. Cahill was also anonymous. Moyes can't do much about good players having a bad day. The bench was horrible why do we need Duffy, Jagielka & Hibbert, 3 defenders? something Moyes was responsible for.
Only Baines & Arteta can hold their heads up a little with 5 out of 10 performances & maybe Howard.
Going forward for Chelsea, I'd bring back Jagielka, probably for Heitinga (has he really got 50 odd Dutcg caps) & start with Beckford, simply because got to be better the Anichebe. The rest remains the same because, hopefully Fellaini, Cahill, Coleman have had their one mare of the season.
Only Baines & Arteta can hold their heads up a little with 5 out of 10 performances & maybe Howard.
Going forward for Chelsea, I'd bring back Jagielka, probably for Heitinga (has he really got 50 odd Dutcg caps) & start with Beckford, simply because got to be better the Anichebe. The rest remains the same because, hopefully Fellaini, Cahill, Coleman have had their one mare of the season.
Roman Sidey
148 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:52:02
148 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:52:02
Richard, that's exactly why I would want him. Do you think ANYONE ANYWHERE is scared of David Moyes? Well, that's not fair I suppose. I would be shit scared of actually getting stuck talking to him, cos I reckon he'd be boring as all fuck.
John Daley
149 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:39:06
149 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:39:06
" I hear Mourinho is disenchanted at the Bournebau".
No wonder. There's poor old Jose expecting to be playing home games at the legendary Santiago Bernabeu. Then some sneaky,opportunistic sod goes and sells off the naming rights so that the stadium is now jointly sponsored by a Cadburys chocolate bar and Matt soddin' Damon.
No wonder. There's poor old Jose expecting to be playing home games at the legendary Santiago Bernabeu. Then some sneaky,opportunistic sod goes and sells off the naming rights so that the stadium is now jointly sponsored by a Cadburys chocolate bar and Matt soddin' Damon.
James Hollister
150 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:56:43
150 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:56:43
Colin Smith - The problem is, most of our players have been having an off season, not just one or two matches.
As I said repeatedly above..if you not up to snuff, make an example out of the players and bring in reserves players. There is no way he can say their all shite, that i don't believe for a minute.
If you gave some of them reservists a chance at the big time, I am sure they'd give their all. So what if they aren't particularly that good..the point is it forces the under performing players to buck their ideas up, and that they are not guaranteed places each week, if they have a shite day at the office..in this case season lol
As I said repeatedly above..if you not up to snuff, make an example out of the players and bring in reserves players. There is no way he can say their all shite, that i don't believe for a minute.
If you gave some of them reservists a chance at the big time, I am sure they'd give their all. So what if they aren't particularly that good..the point is it forces the under performing players to buck their ideas up, and that they are not guaranteed places each week, if they have a shite day at the office..in this case season lol
Mike Green
151 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:58:19
151 Posted 13/02/2011 at 21:58:19
John Daley - that comment eleviates all of todays misery, what a quality post :D
Andy Crooks
152 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:11:12
152 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:11:12
Keith,I was looking at your pissed up rant and somehow you have managed to hit the nail on the head. What you have said is spot on. You need to drink and post more.Right now I, and I'm sure many Evertonians ,feel exactly as you do.
Rob Noonan
153 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:02:23
153 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:02:23
Silver lining... we got more time than we ever have on MOTD, we were the only game today though!!
Jamie Tulacz
154 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:19:25
154 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:19:25
To be fair Moyes has come out and said this was our worst performance of the season. What are you supposed to do if every single player plays shite? And you've got nothing on the bench. Yes I'd have started with Beckford and Anichebe, but hardly think it would have made a lot of difference on that performance. Any side's going to struggle when their only options up front are Anichebe and Beckford?
And for new managers, Martin O'Neill who consistently finished below Moyes on a far greater budget, Martin Jol, just above or below again on a far bigger budget?
For all his faults Moyes has done pretty well for us, this season excepted admittedly. The problem is with the people who have run our club down to the ground since the mid-80s, continuing with Kenwright.
Sack the board!
And for new managers, Martin O'Neill who consistently finished below Moyes on a far greater budget, Martin Jol, just above or below again on a far bigger budget?
For all his faults Moyes has done pretty well for us, this season excepted admittedly. The problem is with the people who have run our club down to the ground since the mid-80s, continuing with Kenwright.
Sack the board!
Gavin Ramejkis
155 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:01:42
155 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:01:42
James Hollister although I agree with dropping players not fit to wear the shirt the problem is thanks to the do FA we'd get hit with a £25,000 fine for fielding a weakened side (laughable that anything we have could possibly be weaker than the first team) and the second problem is we probably don't have enough players to do it thanks to that bastard Billy Bullshitter, he'll have sold or lent them out
Kevin Clarke
156 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:16:02
156 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:16:02
Lets get this straight; Moyes is going nowhere...why would he? HE controls this club from top to bottom. He can tell Kenwright whatever he likes & he'll go along with him, why?
Ian Smitham
157 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:27:47
157 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:27:47
To be honest, MotD2 made us look good. But highlights what I said before, the players' attitudes, an example being Beckford's reaction to Fellaini's pass.
As I also said before 1? worrying.
As I also said before 1? worrying.
Ryan Holroyd
158 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:28:22
158 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:28:22
Andy # 142
You want rid of Moyes. Fair enough, your opinion. Not something I agree with...
BUT
It still wouldn't change the SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM at our club.
KENWRIGHT
We'd still have no money to spend, have a shit ground and some shite players.
We are that SKINT we couldnt afford to pay Moyes off even if BILLY LIAR wanted to.
That is the state Bill the wonderful Blue has got us into.
KENWRIGHT OUT
You want rid of Moyes. Fair enough, your opinion. Not something I agree with...
BUT
It still wouldn't change the SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM at our club.
KENWRIGHT
We'd still have no money to spend, have a shit ground and some shite players.
We are that SKINT we couldnt afford to pay Moyes off even if BILLY LIAR wanted to.
That is the state Bill the wonderful Blue has got us into.
KENWRIGHT OUT
Richard Farrington
159 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:03:15
159 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:03:15
Ok - my spelling of Real Madrid's ground was off the mark - so what.
It seems to have cheered one man, who it appears is going to bed happy now.
Mr Daley has not come up with any suggestions or contributions to the Manager debate.
So lets's hear you. Is my grammar ok?
It seems to have cheered one man, who it appears is going to bed happy now.
Mr Daley has not come up with any suggestions or contributions to the Manager debate.
So lets's hear you. Is my grammar ok?
Kevin Tully
160 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:41:09
160 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:41:09
Even though he's just had the bullet, I would give Schteve McClaren a go.
Kevin Clarke
161 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:34:00
161 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:34:00
Fuck me, this laptop's shit. As I was saying... Moyes is in COMPLETE control of Everton. Who else would give him this sort of power? But as he says, if you stand still you will get caught.
We've been going backwards & forwards for the last 15 years. He talks very honestly but won't change anything or take a chance. This, I believe, is the opportunity to make a stand.
Show these incompetents that WE'RE not happy, that WE are sick of the bollocks that they keep feeding us. Show them that we won't put up with being fobbed off anymore.
Or just let them off the hook when we win a game or spunk a draw... FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WAKE UP. You're having the piss taken out of you, when will you get that????????????
Mike Green
162 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:42:09
162 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:42:09
Keith - who "plastic twats"?
Have a bit of respect please - I might go a bit agog at some of the stuff thats put on this site but I know man to man everyone that posts on here's an Evertonian.
Plastic twat me up again I'll fucking twat your plastic twat. Understood?
Have a bit of respect please - I might go a bit agog at some of the stuff thats put on this site but I know man to man everyone that posts on here's an Evertonian.
Plastic twat me up again I'll fucking twat your plastic twat. Understood?
Roman Sidey
163 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:40:32
163 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:40:32
Richard, you should have used a '?' at the end of your first line. Commas exist and can be used when pauses are intended, rather than one long sentence with no breathing space. Manager only has a capital letter at the start of a sentence or in a title. Lets's has one too many 's's in it.
I don't have a problem with it, but you did ask.
I know some laughed at me asking for Roy Keane, but no one really put forward a decent argument as to why you were laughing at me.
I don't have a problem with it, but you did ask.
I know some laughed at me asking for Roy Keane, but no one really put forward a decent argument as to why you were laughing at me.
Ray Griffin
164 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:37:30
164 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:37:30
Thank you Keith, your post (#151) says it all.
'The most unacceptable performance in my privelidged 40 years of watching Everton FC'
Your view of Anichebe is spot on, you or I could have got our boots on & done better, at least we'd have run around & chased back (& we'd have paid a few bob for the privilege).
Fuck off, Kenwright ? true blue, my arse. If you want the best for the club, get proactive in looking for investment and no, you can't hang around afterwards.
Moyes has done well but has lost the plot lately, too defensive minded, afraid to replace players who aren't performing & seems to have run out of hope. Hard to blame him with the financial restraints heaped on him, though he did hold out for a big fat contract ? his agent has his orders to get busy.
'The most unacceptable performance in my privelidged 40 years of watching Everton FC'
Your view of Anichebe is spot on, you or I could have got our boots on & done better, at least we'd have run around & chased back (& we'd have paid a few bob for the privilege).
Fuck off, Kenwright ? true blue, my arse. If you want the best for the club, get proactive in looking for investment and no, you can't hang around afterwards.
Moyes has done well but has lost the plot lately, too defensive minded, afraid to replace players who aren't performing & seems to have run out of hope. Hard to blame him with the financial restraints heaped on him, though he did hold out for a big fat contract ? his agent has his orders to get busy.
Richard Farrington
165 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:52:50
165 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:52:50
Roman - I thank you for your corrections.
I am off to bed and put this rotten day behind me.
After all this shit, I am still going to buy 5 tickets for Chelsea on Saturday.
We're on the march....................
I am off to bed and put this rotten day behind me.
After all this shit, I am still going to buy 5 tickets for Chelsea on Saturday.
We're on the march....................
Keith Pratt
166 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:43:41
166 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:43:41
What I try to do when I post on this site is to be positive, but after today, it's really difficult. Can I be so rude as to single out another complete shite footballer with no ability. Yes, it's Captain Phil... why does he rant on about terrible performances etc when he can't pass a ball accurately over more than 5 yards and let's forget all the shite that is his influence as a captain.
To the bloke that responded earlier, thanks. I'm the fat bloke with grey hair that is usually in the spellow by 12:45 and has a gangly looking boy with me. COYB
Xavier Spencer
167 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:54:45
167 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:54:45
McClaren? Keane? Fuck me, get a grip. How are they going to do any better than Moyes? You heard Elstone say last week that there isn't going to be any money in the summer so what the fuck are McClaren and Keane going to do for us? I genuinely believe that Moyes cares and that he loves the club and I would rather struggle on under someone who cared than some fucking fly by night. If you're going to suggest someone to replace Moyes than at least justify why. Otherwise stop talking through your fucking arses.
Mike Green
168 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:59:29
168 Posted 13/02/2011 at 22:59:29
Go on Richard - thats the spirit!!!!
COYB!!!
COYB!!!
Mike Green
169 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:02:49
169 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:02:49
If that "bloke"'s me Keith - then I may well see you and your partner on the 26th you complete non-plastic cock. i.e. a proper cock. You cock. :D
Roman Sidey
170 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:11:06
170 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:11:06
Xavier, I already justified why I want Keane. I don't particularly care for McClaren, but, I'd take almost anyone just to refresh the players' attitudes a bit. The wrong message is being sent through the entire club from Harris who is PAID to find a buyer/invester, to the manager who is PAID to manage the team effectively and responsibly, to the players who are PAID to play to the best of their ability every single time they walk on the pitch.
My reason for wanting Keane, just for duplicaiton, is that he isn't scared to tell someone how shit they are/have been playing and he won't have the favourites for at least a while, thus giving the team a chance to be selected on merit, not on how much dirt they obviously have on the boss. Once again, if you think Keane would be so bad, tell me why instead of just calling me, and anyone else who wants rid of the ginger twat, crazy.
My reason for wanting Keane, just for duplicaiton, is that he isn't scared to tell someone how shit they are/have been playing and he won't have the favourites for at least a while, thus giving the team a chance to be selected on merit, not on how much dirt they obviously have on the boss. Once again, if you think Keane would be so bad, tell me why instead of just calling me, and anyone else who wants rid of the ginger twat, crazy.
Keith Pratt
171 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:00:21
171 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:00:21
Sorry andy, my last reply was meant for you. What I find hard about the current situation is that we have a great team and squad that doesn't need a major overall. However, I have a great mobile phone that was great 3 yrs ago and, being the techno dianasor I am, I still like my phone, but it's not what is needed today.
Ok Moyesey, I will chuck my phone away, can you please throw away Osman, Hibbert, Neville and Anichebe in the same skip. Please don't waste the ability of Bily, Beckford, Vaughan and the Yak.
Just like a team that's gonna win the FA Cup again, we shall not be moved!!!!
Mike Green
172 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:18:54
172 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:18:54
But thats the point isnt it Roman - Roy Keane thinks everythings shit? Which is a great attitude providing you can replace it with silver (for instance).
Great player.
Man Manager? Would be if he had the arm around the shoulder make you feel ten feet tall thing. But I dont think he has, too much stick not enough genuine carrot.
But what do I know. Its a shame because he has the makings of a great manager but lacks..... I think its trust from his players.
Great player.
Man Manager? Would be if he had the arm around the shoulder make you feel ten feet tall thing. But I dont think he has, too much stick not enough genuine carrot.
But what do I know. Its a shame because he has the makings of a great manager but lacks..... I think its trust from his players.
James Martin
173 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:24:37
173 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:24:37
This is what happens when you buy in a laod of 'quality' players who don't give one about the shirt. Mercenaries like Distin Heitinga Bilyaletdinov Fellaini, all looka lright when the going is good then go missing when their backs are up against the wall. So called lesser players like carsley kilbane weir stubbswould never have been as apathetic as that. Combine those players with a spoilt brat like Anichebe a left back who thinks he's a wing forward and a right back playing on the wing and you've got the making of a relegation team, and stillmoyes won't change it. He needs to start again. How Jagielka is benched for Heitinga who knows. Everyone bemoans BK's lack of investment but why would you give moyes any money? He wasted 27 million on yakubu and fellaini and slashed the lescott money up the wall with three shocking purhcases. That's 53 million on distin heitinga bilyaletdinov fellaini and yakubu who is barely still on the books. Apart from a fancy turn around bellamy a while back what have we got for the money, absolutely nothing. How beckford didn't start was beyond me, when was the last time anichebe scored? or even looked like he might get a shot on target? I would say go back to 442 but after moyes has loaned out yakubu and vaughan that leaves beckford and anichebe
Roman Sidey
174 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:33:25
174 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:33:25
Fair point, Mike. The last sentence, do you mean Keane or Moyes?
Another reason I think Keane will be good, to counter the fact that he does think everything is shit (I agree totally with you there) is that whoever our next manager is, their sole job will really be, keep us up, maybe mid table next year, all while we look for the manager that is going to take us to the next level. Moyes just has to go and I'd be willing to put up with a substitute for a year as long as things improved slightly.
Also, everything at Everton is shit, so at least he'd be being honest.
Keith, spot on. Number 21 used to be ok, Neville use to be good, and Vic used to have promise (Hibbert has always been shite). What used to work doesn't anymore. Moyes tactics are not exempt from this. He hasn't changed one iota since he came here, and it's telling. He has reformatted his playing list, without considering any of their playing styles.
Heitinga is a great footballer, but Moyes brough him into play a style he isn't made for.
Bily is a class act, and probably has the most natural talent in the squad after Saha, but Moyes either doesn't know how to communicate with him, or thinks that by not playing him properly or at all, Russia will forget about him and we won't lose him to international injury.
Saha has one of the best game to goal ratios in EPL history, and openly claimed that he doesn't play well as a lone striker, yet Moyes continually selects him up there on his own.
Ego is a terrible thing, especially, in my experience, when it is in the head of a Ginger.
Another reason I think Keane will be good, to counter the fact that he does think everything is shit (I agree totally with you there) is that whoever our next manager is, their sole job will really be, keep us up, maybe mid table next year, all while we look for the manager that is going to take us to the next level. Moyes just has to go and I'd be willing to put up with a substitute for a year as long as things improved slightly.
Also, everything at Everton is shit, so at least he'd be being honest.
Keith, spot on. Number 21 used to be ok, Neville use to be good, and Vic used to have promise (Hibbert has always been shite). What used to work doesn't anymore. Moyes tactics are not exempt from this. He hasn't changed one iota since he came here, and it's telling. He has reformatted his playing list, without considering any of their playing styles.
Heitinga is a great footballer, but Moyes brough him into play a style he isn't made for.
Bily is a class act, and probably has the most natural talent in the squad after Saha, but Moyes either doesn't know how to communicate with him, or thinks that by not playing him properly or at all, Russia will forget about him and we won't lose him to international injury.
Saha has one of the best game to goal ratios in EPL history, and openly claimed that he doesn't play well as a lone striker, yet Moyes continually selects him up there on his own.
Ego is a terrible thing, especially, in my experience, when it is in the head of a Ginger.
Kevin Tully
175 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:49:03
175 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:49:03
Xavier, McClaren because of his European experience and the fact he's actually fucking won something.
Keith Pratt
176 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:24:47
176 Posted 13/02/2011 at 23:24:47
Mike, I'm just a completely gutted Evertonian and would never slag off my fellow blues. If you read my earlier post, it was just a pissed up and frustrated rant about being a true supporter living in a town full of "plastic mancs, kopites and cockneys" in Northamptonshire.
My son Joe and myself have season tickets in the top balcony. A bit wooley I hear you say, true, but I'0m blind as a bat and couldn't see what the fuck was going on at the other end the last time I sat in the Street End v Standard Liege a couple of seasons ago.
What makes me feel so proud to be an Evertonian is our outstanding support. I'm crying now thinking of the sounds of "Here we go" booming out of every car as we boarded the ferry at Harwich. Also at the Emirates the other night, I don't think another club would have sold out 2 weeks before.
Colin Smith
177 Posted 14/02/2011 at 00:22:00
177 Posted 14/02/2011 at 00:22:00
James (150). Fair point. I think Moyes would get support if Baxter, Gueye, Duffy etc got a run in the side rather recycling the same old junk
Paddy Francis
178 Posted 14/02/2011 at 00:49:47
178 Posted 14/02/2011 at 00:49:47
What amazes me is that people are still saying "this squad is still top 6 quality".
HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS?!
The RS are at their worst for 20 years or more and yet they still have at least 5 players who you wouldn't faint if they scored 10 a season. We have Saha (if, IF, fit) and Cahill.
How can you possibly think we'll ever be contenders if we can't score!
Arteta is the only "creative" midfielder I've ever seen who is so unthreatening from the edge of the box. Fella is only a threat if we're pumping balls in like Stoke do for Robert Huth. It's a joke.
HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS?!
The RS are at their worst for 20 years or more and yet they still have at least 5 players who you wouldn't faint if they scored 10 a season. We have Saha (if, IF, fit) and Cahill.
How can you possibly think we'll ever be contenders if we can't score!
Arteta is the only "creative" midfielder I've ever seen who is so unthreatening from the edge of the box. Fella is only a threat if we're pumping balls in like Stoke do for Robert Huth. It's a joke.
Roman Sidey
179 Posted 14/02/2011 at 01:16:13
179 Posted 14/02/2011 at 01:16:13
Paddy fair craic, but I think most people on here are now just bemoaning that at the start of the season we had a top 6 quality squad. 7 months later, we know that has changed a lot.
Eric Myles
180 Posted 14/02/2011 at 02:24:00
180 Posted 14/02/2011 at 02:24:00
It's funny that everyone is saying how bad Fellaini was after disputing with me from a previous match thread that he was 'immense' and me saying he was awful.
You're now seeing what I've been seeing all this season and I actually thought he played better yesterday than the time before.
Tony Cornmell
181 Posted 14/02/2011 at 03:16:21
181 Posted 14/02/2011 at 03:16:21
Time has come now to try and change the attitude of all to do with our club either a new manager to shock the players out of there comfort vone or a bit of tinkering with youth injected/enthusiasm.
It's obvious to us all that there's a lot of players talking good but performing poor and it's time to show some balls and fucking send some rockets where needed. I was hoping we would be safe with 4 games to go and blood some young players, but now I'm beginning to think blooding them may be our only hope of survival.
Joss Hanlon
182 Posted 14/02/2011 at 06:45:33
182 Posted 14/02/2011 at 06:45:33
Time for Moyes for go. I've never seen a worse Everton side, ever.
Mike Green
183 Posted 14/02/2011 at 08:31:32
183 Posted 14/02/2011 at 08:31:32
Keith - I thought you were referring to people on here as plastic twats, explanation accepted - I owe you an apology. Sorry.
All I'm hoping for now is a) we stay up and b) something major happens in the summer to pull us out of the mire.
a) seems possible but b) pretty improbable.
Bloody hell.
Cheers
All I'm hoping for now is a) we stay up and b) something major happens in the summer to pull us out of the mire.
a) seems possible but b) pretty improbable.
Bloody hell.
Cheers
Dave Wilson
184 Posted 14/02/2011 at 08:10:56
184 Posted 14/02/2011 at 08:10:56
You cant help laughing sometimes... "MOYES MUST GO" .... Moyes must go? WTF???
By my reckoning it`ll cost about 7 million to pay him off and any replacement worth his salt will be looking for at least a ten million pound contract... don't you people get it? we are struggling to pay the fella who sells the programs. Unless Davey Moyes kicks US to the curb, its not happening.
Coleman, Heitinga, Bily would have struggled to muster 2/10 between them yesterday, Beckford managed to be even worse when he came on, yet many of the people whining about yesterdays selection are the very people who have banged on about playing these guys all season.
By my reckoning it`ll cost about 7 million to pay him off and any replacement worth his salt will be looking for at least a ten million pound contract... don't you people get it? we are struggling to pay the fella who sells the programs. Unless Davey Moyes kicks US to the curb, its not happening.
Coleman, Heitinga, Bily would have struggled to muster 2/10 between them yesterday, Beckford managed to be even worse when he came on, yet many of the people whining about yesterdays selection are the very people who have banged on about playing these guys all season.
David Moorcroft
185 Posted 14/02/2011 at 09:22:22
185 Posted 14/02/2011 at 09:22:22
Moyes wont go anywhere... Not when he has been promised a 30 million war chest for next season. There was a short peice on Toffeeweb accredited to Moyes saying, Great fans support their club even if they are relegated or go into admin.
I am now truly starting to believe that we are determined to get our hands on that £30 million parachute payment for him to spend on players to bring us straight back up and get another £30 million in the proceeds. Why else would he say that some clubs have to go down to come back?
FUCK OFF MOYES AND KENWRIGHT. Short term replacement if he is up for it and still addicted to the game. Colin Harvey!!.
Paul Carr
186 Posted 14/02/2011 at 10:08:42
186 Posted 14/02/2011 at 10:08:42
A week is along time in football! ?Brilliant game against Blackpool- awful against Bolton.
We desperately need to beat Chelsea or the season could collapse horribly. Moyes may go in the summer, but not before as I don't think he is the type to leave at such a key stage of the season. SAHA'S EARLY RETURN IS KEY.
Looking at the fixtures ? we have a very tough final 5 games so the next 2 months are crucial. We must win our forthcoming home games against Sunderland, Birmingham, Fulham, Villa, and Blackburn. 15 points will see us safe. Interestingly these home games come in a run of 7 games with only 2 away at Newcastle and Wolves.
Matthew Mackey
187 Posted 14/02/2011 at 11:10:46
187 Posted 14/02/2011 at 11:10:46
Why is it that Moyes starts with a striker that scores only once in a blue moon, yet keeps a striker on the bench that scored an absolute peach last week against Blackpool?
Why is it that Moyes starts with a striker that spends more time on his arse complaining to the ref than a striker who is starting to score regularly when he gets his chance and who is finally adapting to the demands of the PL?
Strikers, or centre forwards thrive on confidence. They get a goal and then they'll get another and another and another. Saha is a classic example. Once he's in the grove and not injured then he's unplayable as they say. So I come back to my mini rant here - why the fuk is Beckford not starting more games or at least considered higher up the queue than Victor Anichebe?
David Moyes I simply do not understand your team selections sometimes. Criticise the players all you like but at the end of the day, you pick the team so the buck stops with you. End of.
PS: David Moyes, if by any chance you are reading this ? I am fuckin' frustrated. AAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is it that Moyes starts with a striker that spends more time on his arse complaining to the ref than a striker who is starting to score regularly when he gets his chance and who is finally adapting to the demands of the PL?
Strikers, or centre forwards thrive on confidence. They get a goal and then they'll get another and another and another. Saha is a classic example. Once he's in the grove and not injured then he's unplayable as they say. So I come back to my mini rant here - why the fuk is Beckford not starting more games or at least considered higher up the queue than Victor Anichebe?
David Moyes I simply do not understand your team selections sometimes. Criticise the players all you like but at the end of the day, you pick the team so the buck stops with you. End of.
PS: David Moyes, if by any chance you are reading this ? I am fuckin' frustrated. AAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Sillett
188 Posted 14/02/2011 at 12:39:02
188 Posted 14/02/2011 at 12:39:02
I know Heitinga and Bily both had bad games yesterday but why do they always get singled out when the whole team give an awful performance? Fellaini, Cahill, Coleman were all just as bad but it's Heitinga getting slagged off and Bily getting labelled 'useless'.
I didn't hear anyone calling Heitinga a gutless twat after his Anfield performance or Bily getting called shit after his goal against West Ham or his assist against Blackpool. Stop looking for scapegoats every time we lose and blame the manager and the team as a whole.
Tony J Williams
189 Posted 14/02/2011 at 13:36:59
189 Posted 14/02/2011 at 13:36:59
Fellaini has just played his worst game in a Blue shirt. Shocking performance. Misplaced more passes in that one game than he has all year. If this is what contract talks do to your play, wait until summer.
Coleman, Bily, Heit.... in fact every fecker on the pitch yesterday was truly woeful. Moyes looks like he has given up, I would if I turned to my bench for a match winner and saw Baxter there.
How bad is Beckford in training? He must be piss poor if he gets looked over for that fecking useless lump Anchovy.
Worst game I have seen in many a year. Not taking anything away from Bolton, they closed us down quickly and didn't allow us to play...then again they could have allowed us to play, as we couldn't string two passes together.
It's not just Moyes's fault, it the whole team's fault...and Moyes for picking that fecker Anchovy and Kenwrong for giving us no chance of progressing for the last 10 years.
Season ticket renewal time in a couple of months...I am house hunting so that expense will probably be the first to go....and thank feck after this performance.
Coleman, Bily, Heit.... in fact every fecker on the pitch yesterday was truly woeful. Moyes looks like he has given up, I would if I turned to my bench for a match winner and saw Baxter there.
How bad is Beckford in training? He must be piss poor if he gets looked over for that fecking useless lump Anchovy.
Worst game I have seen in many a year. Not taking anything away from Bolton, they closed us down quickly and didn't allow us to play...then again they could have allowed us to play, as we couldn't string two passes together.
It's not just Moyes's fault, it the whole team's fault...and Moyes for picking that fecker Anchovy and Kenwrong for giving us no chance of progressing for the last 10 years.
Season ticket renewal time in a couple of months...I am house hunting so that expense will probably be the first to go....and thank feck after this performance.
Tony J Williams
190 Posted 14/02/2011 at 14:44:44
190 Posted 14/02/2011 at 14:44:44
How is Hibbert getting bad press on here? The lad hasn't played for months.
Chris Jones
191 Posted 14/02/2011 at 21:03:16
191 Posted 14/02/2011 at 21:03:16
I have no hatred or nastiness for David Moyes. He has served us well and stabilised a nasty situation, as well as bringing some pride and dignity back to the club. However, time has ran its course for Davey and he lost his spark a long time ago - the summer of 2009 after the cup final was the end of an era.
BK on the other hand is an absolute disgrace - a fuckin liar who's hanging on to the club to massage his own ego and feather his nest.
I can sum this situation up now in five simple words:
Moyes and Kenwright out now!
BK on the other hand is an absolute disgrace - a fuckin liar who's hanging on to the club to massage his own ego and feather his nest.
I can sum this situation up now in five simple words:
Moyes and Kenwright out now!
Roman Sidey
192 Posted 14/02/2011 at 23:33:45
192 Posted 14/02/2011 at 23:33:45
Chris Sillett, thank your x1000. You've said what I've been trying to put into words for so long. A lot of supporters seem to only focus on the bad things Bily and Johnny do. They overlook the talent they actually have ? maybe it's because people know that they are actually a class above what Everton are used to and they are trying to bring them down.
I don't know. I would be willing to expect both of these players to flourish at different clubs. I think both would be good fits at Arsenal, and Bily would get the right balance of game time at United or Chelsea with the way they rotate their squads, not to mention the way they can sit around the box for a while.
Tom Farrington
193 Posted 15/02/2011 at 20:07:57
193 Posted 15/02/2011 at 20:07:57
MOYES OUT!!!
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