Well, that was simply shocking. I put a summary in the Match Report file, for what it's worth, but I think I'll leave the scorn-pouring to others this time...
ps: [Editorial Note] The avalanche of comments may get rearranged a little as I work through them, with the inevitable Moyes Out headliners moving to the "Time to Go" thread.
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1 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:28:48
2 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:27:30
What do these blokes get coached during the week?
We could have played all night and we wouldn't have scored
Sure Moyes will have "No excuses" on the EFC page later.
3 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:26:56
People wonder why Evertonians are natural pessimists ? the dichotomy of potential for achievement ruined by predictable incompetence was evidence as to why...
4 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:29:56
Lets hear any morons say "not to worry, we're in the top 10".
5 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:26:15
6 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:30:57
7 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:27:27
There was no heart, no guile, no guts. You knew Reading would give us a game and give them their due they did. We didn't. As for Rodwell ? the comparisions between him and Wilshere are simply laughable. If Kenwright thinks he's going to be answer to out financial troubles come the summer, well he can knock £10 mill off his value after tonight's display.
And for all those slagging Bily, he wasn't great but at least he hit an occasional decent ball. And just don't get me started on Osman. And just don't get me started on sentences beginning with 'And'...
8 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:31:16
We are a shambles on and off the pitch, the Manager & Chairman need to go, how bad does it need to get for the majority to realise this and do something about it?
9 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:33:00
Players and Manager should be ashamed to have been outfougt and out thought again.
10 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:30:03
11 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:36:51
12 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:37:49
13 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:34:45
14 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:38:23
The players were shit and so were the tactics.
15 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:37:28
16 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:37:17
And since Moyes said Artera was off set-piece duty, he seems to have started taking more. Though to be fair, I think Arteta worked very hard in the middle tonight. BOARD OUT ? nowhere to hide now!!!
17 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:35:48
I can't take this shit no more.... no more football for me and definitely no more money until we start showing some direction and ambition. Sorry for the language but it's how I feel right now.
18 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:36:36
Sometimes Everton really, really piss me off. I don't know what the answer is, but something has gone very, very wrong in the last 12 months. This side is unrecognisable from the one that finished last year so well and deservedly beat the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City last season.
Anyone saying our season is over, I wouldn't speak too soon. On tonight's performance we could well be fighting a relegation battle before long. Love to be wrong, but after tonight, does anyone have any real confidence that we won't?
19 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:39:11
Like most fans, I am at the brink of packing this club in; no heart, no soul and no leadership. Just a floating turd waiting to be flushed!
20 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:43:12
1. Moyes has no money to make a radical overhaul of the playing squad.
2. Kenwright has no money or no idea how to move the club forward, so we won't be able to sack Moyes or hire a replacement.
21 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:40:20
Don't anyone, including that useless bastard Moyes, use injuries as an excuse either. Moyes will walk but not until the end of the season, he has to keep us in the Prem, as that's the least he owes us after 10 years of shite!
I await the apologists' excuses....
22 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:39:02
23 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:34:28
I might contact the club to get a trial as a striker, should be a shoe-in by the looks of things tonight. Well done Reading, thanks for giving the boys a lesson in football.
24 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:43:45
Black humour of the highest order Mr Heske. Made me smile on this crap night.
25 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:43:40
26 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:32:15
Moyes and his entire coaching panel of ex-defenders do not have a clue about the attacking third. With that bunch of Moyes clones to offer advice, the likes of Anichebe and Coleman are as good as they will ever be.
27 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:40:55
BK won't leave, he will never sack DM even if we go down and we will probably have big sales in the summer.
After all the crap on the Official site, like Mikey is back etc, tonight just proves under this rotten, clueless and skint regime we will never accomplish anything
And the funny thing is I bet BK believes all this is a blip.
Congrats to Reading but effort-wise, that's the worst I've seen for years, and I've seen bad.
28 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:42:08
We start 4-5-1 (to my bemusement) and at half time take off a player in Coleman who has the potential to create opportunities and bring on Anichebe.
It seems as soon as we play against a team who can actually defend well, we can't even create chances never mind score a goal.
But as long as Osman, Neville, or another shit player comes out tomorrow and tells us we can still survive in the Premier League that should make it all ok.
A truly sorry state of affairs that needs rectifying soon.
29 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:45:07
What do in training all week? Surely you cannot practice being shite all week and be that good at doing it!
30 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:47:16
31 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:46:33
32 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:47:06
I have it on good advice all Round does is place and collect the cones, oh and say "Yes boss" like Phil Neal did under Graham Taylor.
33 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:45:28
Dave #26 I also blame Kenwright for this. This joke has run it's course; even Chris Waddle has figured out how badly run we are. If Spurs are missing a couple of good players, they bring in quality replacement. if we are missing a couple of good players, we crumble.
Guy #27 Anichebe won't be gone by the start of next season cos we are the only mugs stupid enough to give him a lucrative long-term contract.
What angers me the most about tonight's "performance" was that I was really, really sure we would play well and win by two or three goals. Now I feel STUPID for having any faith. Fucking Everton...
34 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:52:23
35 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:50:33
I'm ashamed to be a Blue tonight.
36 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:48:35
37 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:47:49
Part of the problem is 'player of the season' Baines. Because he thinks he's Danny Alves the whole left side is defensively naked. Bilyaletdinov stank and Distin, who was having a shocking night anyway, had about three people's work to do on that left side.
Coleman has had any attacking urge to get to the byline beaten out of him by Moyes and Anichebe can't do anything close to resembling anything that even might slightly look like something seen on a football field.
38 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:52:52
This week, Moyes comes out and says Osman & HIbbert have a job for life. Well if you can be that shite at your job and still be offered a job for life, I'm off to apply for the Captain of the Titanic.
39 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:55:06
40 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:48:38
George Best once said how knowledgable the Everton fans were. As a whole, we aren't. There are still far too many fans who will accept the excuses and still trust everything Moyes says and does. There are still too many fans that let a few better performances paper over all of Kenwright's mistakes. This whole club is a fucking shambles.
41 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:55:34
Shit from start to finish.
The players just don't give a shite. A bunch of shithouses who couldn't give a damn.
We're rotten to the core, sell the fucking lot and rebuild in the summer.
42 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:50:22
Sure, Moyes gets the blame, but I still think he's a good manager (I know many don't) but without proper investment in the club, his job is next to impossible. Arteta, for me, is as big a let down this season as anyone but surely that's down to the player?
Any club needs change and the money for good new players to progress. Moyes has neither without having to sell.
The biggest let down tonight was player attitude though. Remember Gravesen yelling at the crowd? Remember Duncan Ferguson's full blooded commitment? Where was that tonight? For me, Baines was about the only player who looked properly committed.
43 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:54:07
- We have a mediocre RB signed for peanuts from the Irish league as our right winger.
- We have a guy who was playing pub football a few years ago and was free as one striker.
- A crock who can only play 1 in every 3 games and was free as out other striker.
44 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:51:07
ps: 3 points at Newcastle and we'll all be on here saying Europa League is still on!!!
45 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:56:30
That was worse than Bolton in my eyes. Shocking effort by everyone. It's times like this you've got to ask why do we bother? And there is no end to the agony in sight.
46 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:56:58
47 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:53:59
48 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:51:35
49 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:55:43
And then when Anichebe came on for Coleman. How can he go up for so many headers and not win even one??? Surely the ball would've hit him on the head at least once!
50 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:48:42
First 20 mins we dominated, passed it about nicely... but if anything we were guilty of over-playing. Poor defending for their goal exposed a real lack of desire.
Next 70 mins... controlled passing game goes out of the window, Reading break with confidence. One livewire striker comes on, one lump (the worst you've ever witnessed in blue?) joins him. Everton lump it, Reading stand firm and get the breaks they deserve.
Lack of investment, lack of attacking guile, lack of ability to make the leap from nearly men.
Goodison stands silent, the end of an era?
51 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:56:49
52 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:01:40
53 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:03:19
54 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:04:04
55 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:01:02
56 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:57:47
- Great comeback against Utd, followed by home defeat to Newcastle.
- Commanding derby victory over the Shite and a great October, followed by no wins in next 7 matches.
- Great point nicked at the bridge ? scoreless garbage at home to Wigan.
- Massive win at City ? pants against the Hammers and Stoke.
- Blackpool, followed by Bolton....
- Chelsea cup win followed by... well you get the fucking drift.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum my Latin arse.
57 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:02:45
58 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:06:31
59 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:47:02
The lack of foresight in the team's attacking and defending tonight was laughable. Can anyone explain why Leon Osman was at the heart of our defence's efforts to clear the ball from the corner they scored from?
Osman's not to blame for the goal (he saw a ball and tried to clear but unfortunately he has the calf muscles of my Gran). However, Jagielka, Distin or Rodwell should have simply stamped their authority and taken control. In the midst of such a dispiriting performance, it's possible to forget what a shite goal we lost to.
As for Jack Rodwell. Well, the mystery continues. What exactly does he do? On tonight's form ? fuck all. In fairness, Arteta, the more senior midfielder should have helped him a little more but this is a guy who is often compared with Jack Wilshere.
To say that Jack Wilshere is a better player than Rodwell is cheap and easy. To say that both Jay Tabb (a former Palace trainee who learnt his trade at Brentford) and Mikele Leigertwood (a converted centre back who has found his way to Reading through a number of second-tier clubs) looked a class above Rodwell tonight is the more valid point.
My final attack (before I throw my laptop against the wall) is saved for the worst player I've seen awarded a four-year contract. Victor Anichebe.
There are donkeys who would sue if I was to tag him with such a label. For a guy the size he is, it defies science, as well as belief for him to spend so much time on the floor.
There is no doubting the physical threat he COULD pose but his technique is so poor, he will never actually pose a true threat. Heading, passing, shooting, jumping ? he's shit at all of them.
Realistically, the season's a lame duck.
Moyes needs to seriously look at the squad and realise that only Baines, Fellaini, Beckford and perhaps Jagielka are currently worth their place in the team come the second Saturday in August.
60 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:05:47
61 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:58:18
Subbing Bily summed up the message from our management... keep the ball, as if you lose it trying something, you'll be hauled off. For me, he was the only one remotely trying to unlock Reading but Moyes didn't like that and off he came. I don't think he's a great player by any stretch but he's what we've got.
Anichebe. Well that's his last game surely now.
Rodwell. Serious question marks about him now. 1-0 down in the cup against a team on the edge of their box and Rodwell is sitting in our half. Incredible watching how little he understood about playing in midfield. Every pass was 'safe', ie, 'pointless'.
Beckford. Well things did kind of happen around him. Which just goes to show that even an average player could change things if he was prepared to have a go.
The two Moyes took off were the last two midfielders to score a goal for us. We were left with players who don't score goals.
But generally, no substitution was going to save us, there. There is still a rotten core to this team. Yes, we'll stay in touch with every team we play so we'll get some big results against good sides but, at the same time, every team we will play has a chance as we'll never actually put anyone away.
Just really poor cowardly stuff tonight that makes you wonder why you bother.
62 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:55:42
For fuck's sake, our season was hanging on this game and you turn out a team that simply does not give a fuck about the sacred shirt they wear.
63 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:07:34
Answers to Davey & William.
64 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:01:15
You're lying lad, I never said Moyes could do no wrong, you just made that up. I said he wasn't negative as people claimed, and plays with less defenders than any other manager, try really hard to understand the difference between a negative line-up and a shite performance.
Very brave of you to start throwing insults around.
Still think Kirkby was a good idea btw?
65 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:11:41
66 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:11:22
Well played, Reading... and Everton ? back to the drawing board.
67 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:08:27
68 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:13:51
Does anyone no how much oil would a gumboil boil if a gumboil could boil oil?
69 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:16:17
70 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:15:57
71 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:16:50
72 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:17:11
73 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:19:18
74 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:17:55
Fellaini ? "Gaffer, my agent will be calling around tomorrow with my transfer request. I want to win things and this is the last place I want to be!!"
75 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:10:51
76 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:20:37
77 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:21:59
78 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:13:22
79 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:20:26
Oh well... it may mean he could be with us next season. Every cloud......
80 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:20:54
So we're fucked, then...
81 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:23:14
82 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:25:35
83 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:15:50
The players need a massive KICKING up the arse for so many abject and pride-lacking performances ? if I was Neville, I would have been on their backs from minute one, Tell me, does HE ever shout at them on the pitch?
I am totally lost for words and want to end it all. Anyone got the number for the Good Samaritans in the US?
84 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:26:05
85 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:26:29
86 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:27:19
87 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:03:37
The lack of ability to grasp this is beyond inept, they deserve to be ridiculed, any previous goodwill has now completely gone.
88 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:29:28
89 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:11:34
90 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:30:48
91 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:28:00
92 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:28:44
Come on, Kenwright ? show some guts.
93 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:26:14
Cahill also out for 2-3 weeks.
Optimism prior to the match now returning to desperation.
94 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:17:57
It is obvious reading your post (#66) you are Mr Cholmondley Warner
95 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:32:35
96 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:32:12
97 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:32:03
Fans like you are part of the reason we are content with this shite!
98 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:32:48
99 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:36:24
100 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:36:52
101 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:23:29
A relegation threatened Championship team scored three against Reading on Saturday and also missed a penalty. We could only muster a couple of shots on target.
We were never ever ever this bad under Walter Smith. A cup defeat at Middlesbrough was nowhere near as bad as Moyes's record.
Moyes managership is reaching its endgame and smelling very badly.
102 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:37:25
103 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:32:33
I'm better than Anichebe and I'm a 38-year-old former centre-half. Surely someone at Everton can see that you could pluck any centre-forward from a lower league club who could offer more.
Neville and Coleman doesn't work and Ossie is just a trier.
104 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:38:08
105 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:39:00
106 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:39:03
He is clearly a wind-up Liverpool supporter.
107 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:41:11
108 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:41:05
You were spot on on Saturday,
We have lost and already the posts have zoomed past the 100 mark. I don't think you`ll need to stay up all night tonight to keep the thread alive
109 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:26:27
About 40 pints, or is that points.
Something we can only dream of this season.
110 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:41:30
111 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:44:55
I don't think the Col would be interested in EFC... no protesters to machine-gun.
112 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:33:57
Do not call other people "so-called" Everton supporters because you are no fan yourself. What kind of fan's only contributions to forums discussing the club and laughable attempts at defending the owner? You are not an Everton fan pal. You are a sycophant with some kind of bizarre obsessions with Bill Kenwright.
You never ever ever seem the slightest bit bothered when the team loses but if anyone points out BK's shortcomings then you are up in arms. Who cares how the rest of the season goes? What does it matter if we finish 9th or 13th?
Ohhhh, hold on a minute ? I guess it does matter because if we get an extra million for a spot in the table then your lover boy will not have to fork out for a cheap $500k League 2 striker to solve out goalscoring issues.
113 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:39:27
114 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:42:04
We could still get a decent league position, though I doubt it with Felli out now.
But I kind of feel like I don't care. When we have a real chance we bottle it. Started the season with a half-decent squad but Moyes's negativity just ruined us. Great chance of a cup run and suddenly we're playing 4-5-1 again. Make the Champions' League and refuse to strengthen.
What's the point?
115 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:37:19
116 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:39:26
117 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:43:10
118 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:39:07
119 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:40:39
120 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:49:20
121 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:50:25
Beckford was named in the starting line-up. But he was delayed and got to Goodison late.
So Moyes had a choice play Saha up front alone. Or play 2 strikers and start Anichebe alongside Saha.
Anichebe was the only option if Moyes wanted 2 strikers. And starting Anichebe is never a good thing.
I don't think it was a negative line-up. I just think the players were fucking shite.
122 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:47:19
Not me. And I don't blame Pienaar ? why should he put up with players and management like this when he's always put the effort in? He must have felt like he was the only one pulling his weight.
Weak, cowardly pricks the lot of them tonight. Absolutely not worthy of the shirt. I'd rather see a team of kids get hammered trying, than that piss weak effort.
In the past we've wanted Everton to play well but it's not even about that tonight. I just want the cunts to have a go. I can't figure out why I desperately want to see us win the FA Cup when they don't give a fuck about playing in an FA Cup winning team. How can we be poles apart in what we want?
That should be the turning point. If Moyes has anything about them then he'd call an end to a few careers after that. Really shocking. No pride, no professionalism. They don't want to play ? so stick them in the reserves ? I don't want to watch them. If Kenwright has anything about him, he'd strongly consider calling an end to Moyes's time. Or maybe even accept he's presiding over a club that is rotten from top to bottom and is in need of any sort of change and at any sort of cost.
Could someone at any level at the club show that they give some sort of flying fuck and do something? Anything. Not nothing.
Can't go on like this. It's fucking dismal.
123 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:53:42
Coll Heske, How much oil can it boil?????
124 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:53:24
125 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:59:07
The players are a disgrace and this season is over. We need a major re-shuffle with the squad. Players like Bily and Anichebe can fuck off to Russia and the lower leagues.
126 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:47:49
Don't start getting all sanctimonious on us. People are bound to piss and moan after getting knocked out of the cup by lower league opposition (yet again). The total non-performance and lack of passion from the players only makes it a more bitter pill to swallow. After the Chelsea result, there were plenty of posts on here praising the team, so it's not that people are just waiting for a chance to criticise.
Also, how does tonight's performance fit in with your recent theory that David Moyes is the most attack-minded manager in the game?
127 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:47:42
Became a Blue when Everton were on tour there in 1979.
Could not be any worse than Kenwright, surely ?
128 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:54:58
It's been a bizarre season all round, great results against the bigger sides; rubbish against the worse ones... we can't string more than 2 results together on the trot.
Still think that it's the board and Kenwright that's the main problem, and have respected Moyes for a long time. Think though it might be time for him to go now, just seems to have run out of ideas and there's no pattern or consistency to our play any more.
129 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:59:11
He basically shit all over Arteta and tried to take some credit for Baines' free kick.
Flash forward and Arteta is taking them again.
So is Moyes just full of shit?
130 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:59:08
Paul 123 ? it's loads, Anchiebe kept slipping on it when going up for headers.
131 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:02:18
Oh hang on. Once our attack had been completed without one of our forwards in the box he got up and wandered around again.
132 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:58:59
1. Yakubu is shite and fat.
2. Vaughan doesn't give a damn.
3. Baxter to me looked fatty round the gut.
4. They wouldn't come to EFC because we will win nothing.
5. No. He just practises putting his arms up in the air.
6. Because Moyes hasn't got a clue.
7. As someone pointed out, he is 2 foot tall and likes to sing HI HO HI HO.
133 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:50:29
"A few Chris Joneses, there's only a few Chris Joneses, few Chris Jo-oneses, there's only a few Chris Joneses."
134 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:46:58
"I am very disappointed. We did not take our chances, poor defending let us down. If Coleman had scored with that header" etc. etc, blah, blah blah.
What he should say:
"I apologise to supporters for another unacceptable and disgraceful display. From back to front we were totally crap and deserved what we got. It is quite clear that my tactics for this home game against a mid-table team from a lower division were completely wrong. Their manager, who earns a lot less than my assistant and with far less resources, outmaneuvered me in every facet of the game."
I'd like to see such honesty for a change.
135 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:03:29
136 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:01:49
137 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:58:08
Can anyone tell me how many times we won the ball in midfield? Oh for a Joe Parkinson or a Lee Carsley.
138 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:07:30
Joe is a brikkie now he'd be no good.
139 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:06:54
140 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:08:44
141 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:08:50
Why is it when EFC have the ball, it's like they're playing with a fly-away ball?
142 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:11:12
143 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:08:53
Sick and tired of this season, on the point of quitting for the season now!
144 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:07:58
Although may I say that Mr Moyes has more right to your first name?
145 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:02:59
Roll on the summer when we will sell Rodwell or Fellaini and then sign a couple of 18-year-old foreigners who will play two games for the reserves then vanish into thin air.
146 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:12:37
Moyes did bring us stability BUT he has also brought us some turgid football.
He has done enough damage, time for a new manager, fresh ideas, fresh approach.... And, dare I say it: Bring a Winning mentality
147 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:13:49
Jaime, how has Moyes got himself in that situation to start with? That's his fault is it not?
148 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:15:48
149 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:55:58
The mess is a combination of Kenwrongs lack of investment, and Moyes' signings, tactics and playing style he works with these players all week.
There are basic elements missing in our team 1) the lack of movement in creating space and pulling defenders out of position, 2) the lack of tempo which means the opposition get back behind the ball easily, 3) the lack of creativity and guile to break teams down following point 2, 4) the lack of variety in passing - everything into feet which makes us so predictable, 5) a lack of players who are direct and put defenders on the back foot (it was a stroll in the park for their defenders tonight).
With Fellaini and Cahill now being out injured we are in dire straits, and most fans fears of reducing the squad further appear to be realised.
150 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:34
151 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:26
152 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:00
153 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:01
The volume is up for debate.
154 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:44
155 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:00:04
"So it's not just that people are waiting for the chance to criticise."
Never said they were lad, nor did I make the original observation, I just noticed it was an accurate one. a defeat will draw more comment than a win
I don't get why people feel the need to insult Richard Dodd though, do people really believe if he withdrew his support for the hierarchy things would change? Really? I don't agree with a lot of what he says but he knows he can't influence anything so he feels his support is more benificial to the club than vitriol.
That's his choice, fair play to him for standing up and saying so.
156 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:19:11
157 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:54
But, Andy Tiler, how you can say after tonight's performance "We are great in possession" is beyond me. Richard Dodd isn't even that daft.
158 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:19:17
I think Coll is more bothered about a gumboil than our mighty club.
159 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:21:45
160 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:13:44
If he is disobeying Moyes, then who is in charge or is there any discipline at the club?
161 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:22:54
162 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:17:16
Here's an idea: go to the game, watch it, watch how the players barely give a shit, watch how they miss simple passes that my nan could have made and try to come up with a reasonable argument to suggest that "tactics" had anything to do with it.
Reading are an average Championship side and this was ALL we had to play for this season. This was it. And you can be damn sure Moyes and Neville told them that. This is what our problem has been this season.
Not Moyes. It just takes a game like this to make it clear as day. If those players had been bothered and anywhere near their best, they'd have won the game.
163 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:16:53
I don't like to pick on individual players but what's the point of Victor Anichebe? Sirely he's not even good enough for the Zinghari League and Bily is so lacking in commitment it's embarassing.
Fuck off Moyes.
Fuck off Kenwright.
Fuck off Elstone.
164 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:23:15
How long is a piece of string?
How many learning curves does a football club go thru?
Why did the champ die?
165 Posted 01/03/2011 at 22:36:40
I hope I'm wrong but I can't see any confidence among the players and I don't see what is going to get it back. Even as I write this as a battle for survival, I don't think we have enough players in the team who can scrap. I'm not even starting to discuss team selection, tactics or ability.
It's a scrap we're in. Hope I'm wrong.
166 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:21:36
167 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:14:08
I've said it before but I'll repeat that in 45 years of watching Everton I don't recall seeing a poorer palyer wearing the beloved blue than Anichebe. I'd be more forgiving if his attitude didn't stink so much too.
As for 'Big Jack'. The idea that he is on the brink of superstardom is so desperately misconceived. Yes he has a nice first touch but can anyone think of any game over the past two years that he has really put his stamp upon? His style is way too languid to propel him forward to anything resembling greatness. On tonight's performance if anybody offers £15m plus before next season then bite their fooking arm off. United can have him as a replacement for Carrick in evey possible way.
Class preformance of the night? Brian McDermott. Totally sussed out the tactics to play against us and had the grace to praise the Everton fans as being class in the post match ? might help his job interview later on.
168 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:25:29
What a mighty coincidence that all starting 11 players all happened to have a bad game right at the same time! Witchcraft!
169 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:09:45
Such an apathetic attitude towards the glaringly fucking obvious fact that the current regime is taking this club down is unbelievable.
I have no doubt Doddy and a few other of the blind bats on here would have stayed sat in his seat on the Titanic claiming that the captain was a very good sailor and everything would be alright... even when the water was over his head!
Well it's up to your neck already pal, and Kenwright isn't throwing you a rubber ring!
170 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:28:23
171 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:25:26
172 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:29:31
I hope the players are forced to watch the young lad crying at the end of the game. Horrid performance.
173 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:31:43
I agree but I think we have been hypnotized and we need to snap out of it otherwise we'll soon be celebrating finishing 4th from bottom AGAIN!!!!!!
174 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:29:25
What an unprofessional club. Just fuck off, from top to bottom ? sick of the fuckin lot of em. Jogging from halfway when on the break to equalise? Cunts.
175 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:35:27
We are all fickle fans.
176 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:34:29
177 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:34:19
That was bloody dire from top to bottom.
Sean #170 ? Kopites would be marching in the streets if this was the state of their club. Sad to say but they as a collective have much higher expectations than us. ToffeeWeb fans seem up in arms most of the time but go to some of the other sites and anyone saying Bill or the board should go are shot down with comments like "Shut up ? you're embarrassing yourself".
178 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:10:57
179 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:41:58
180 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:46:07
I can't for the life of me see how people see a great player in him and a future England captain. Can someone please tell me what it is that he contributes that makes him such a good player? Anyone?
If we had a decent bid for him in the summer at this moment in time I would sell him in a heartbeat. Then again, to be honest, I think the only player I would be bothered about if they left is Leighton Baines.
With regards tonight's game don't think anything more needs to be said than MK's original post of "Utterly Hopeless".
181 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:51:32
I thought Fellaini was the bigger miss tonight.
182 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:48:26
Starts 4-5-1 again and then decides at half time to move to 4-3-3 and take both wingers off again. It's a joke. He goes from one extreme to another ? like he did in the Blackpool game.
Listen very very carefully: play 4-4-2!!!!
If Moyes thinks Anichebe is good for 45 mins, play him from the start. At least then he can be booed off when he's replaced. Also, give Anichebe an OSCAR for all the diving he does and acting like he is injured all the time.
SAHA cannot play up front on his own ? how is he a striker when all he thinks this is doing is picking the ball up from deep or on the wings cutting inside and trying to go for a long range shot..
Beckford cannot play up front on his own but at least can run and makes some space but keeps mishitting the ball.
Play Baines left midfield as he is the only one who can cross a ball and is currently out of position with no one covering when he does play forward.
Never ever play Bily.
Arteta put just one good corner in which I was surprised by. He didn't put a decent pass in all night but just kept the ball a few times and made himself look good.
Neville seems to have lost any ounce of leadership. He used to direct the players, now he doesn't.
Coleman should be sold before people realise how bad he is.
Distin and Jagielka were both outsmarted by a small centre forward in Long who clearly had the beating of both of them.
If nothing else at least Osman tried ? best I can say!
Moyes! ? when the other team have a corner, why don't you leave someone up? ? every other team does.
There is more I can say but this will do for now.
183 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:48:28
How many season ticket holders are still thinking of renewing their ticket for next season? I'm not. All the big matches where it may be a problem to get a ticket are televised and you'd have no problem getting a ticket for the rest of the games. If you could be arsed, that is.
Let's be honest, most of the players don't appear that bothered.
184 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:54:32
Coleman has been playing beyond both his experience and ability but at least shows an admirable passion.
Billy looks totally at a loss to undrestand what is going on around him. Worst £9.5m we've ever spent sadly.
Arteta has struggled badly with form this season and he has been key to so much of what was good in previous seasons
Fellaini out (and now sadly longer than we imagined)... Net result is that we have nothing much of note going on in the midfield.
Saha is class but like any striker he needs good service and support
This is such an upsetting night. I had deluded myself to dare to imagine that a run at Wembley would spur a run at the top 6 or 7.
I agree with Chris #172. that little lad crying said all that needed to be said about being an Everton supporter at present. It won't make a blind bit of difference to some of our players though.
185 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:53:55
I wish I could stop going. Hate the board, the manager, Neville, Anichibe, Osman, Heitinga, Beckford, Anichibe, Anichibe and Anichibi... and I think I have misspelt his name but am going mad and hate my Dad for taking me to Everton in 1969 and my local team is now Huddersfield but I can't.... aaarrrggggg!
186 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:21:20
The only thing I seem to disagree with most about is Bily.
Yes he makes mistakes, can't defend, is slow as fuck... but seriously, who else actually tried anything but a simple pass tonight? He was worth keeping on just for the 3 or 4 things he did well (great ball into Osman took 3 players out and setup our 2nd best chance, great cross that no-one got onto, and a couple of great crossfield balls to Coleman).
Confidence must be pretty low for him but he keeps on trying to do the things that create goals even if he makes mistakes... which was not evident from anyone else tonight. Something about cracking shells to make omelettes. No-one else does.
187 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:30:07
9/2 at William Hills if anyone is interested
188 Posted 01/03/2011 at 23:27:03
189 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:28:34
I have had high hopes for him for he has seemed the sort of great technical player of the kind that used to be often admired a long time ago.
On depressing nights like this, it's a little too easy to forget some of the points you make but on reflection I have to agree that it surely has to be better to keep a gifted player on the pitch even if he's not fitting in so well than to replace him with Anichebe! Mind you it would be better to place an inanimate oblong object on the pitch than play Anichebe. I've never seen anyone that size fall over quite so easily and winge quite so much. He makes Heskey look like fooking Rambo.
190 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:27:06
Thanks for another uninspiring, underwhelming and massively dissapointing season. If Child welfare try to remove my 13-year-old son from my custody for allowing his unbridled love of Everton to flourish,could I offer any reasonable opposition?
Disillussioned Bitter Blue.
191 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:42:55
One positive I will say about him though is he's better than Anichebe...who's fuckin useless!! Can someone anyone enlighten me as to WTF Moyes sees in him? He didn't win a single challenge in the whole time he was on the pitch. He went down like he'd been shot after being on the field for less than 5 minutes. A bit of a cuddle from the physio and he's up and about like a spring lamb. He should be ashamed of himself but we all know he won't be. From my seat on the halfway line of the upper bullens we could clearly hear Neville shout to Arteta "Tell him to fucking get up". The players know it and we know it. He's a fucking joke of a player. He offers absolutely nothing. How did he get a long term contract??? He's a poor Championship player at best.
A couple of weeks ago someone on here said bily could get into the Real Madrid or Barcelona sides. Did they mean their football sides or one if the other sports those to clubs play in Spain??
Tonite was a shambles from start to finish. In fact even before the start with one of our players stuck on the M62. I came down the M62 and managed to get there in time. It wouldn't be asking the players too much would it for them to get to the game in plenty of time??
We're an embarrassment. And it's not funny anymore.
192 Posted 02/03/2011 at 00:05:10
To those that doubt Fellaini, we haven't scored since he went off on Saturday; what's more, we never looked like scoring either.
Back 5 should be kept, Fellaini at all costs, Rodwell, Coleman, Beckford plus squad fillers Hibbert and Osman (I know most will complain but they are both tidy squad players, not starters).
Heitinga, Yobo, Arteta, Bily, Saha, Cahill, Vaughan and Anichebe out ? £40-45M for that lot, give Moyes £25M and £20M off the debt is the way forward for me. We have to rebuild and start again, we cannot continue following the same paths on the field and off, Kenwright out.
193 Posted 02/03/2011 at 03:11:03
Just woke from a horrible nighmare that we got beat by Read.. erm.. ing erm in the oh... um. Oh.
194 Posted 02/03/2011 at 04:39:53
195 Posted 02/03/2011 at 06:11:06
Anichebe is so incredibly poor it is amazing. I simply can not stand the way he plays, his attitude, and the fact he got rewarded with a new contract?!!! The fact he got a new contract is laughable.
Just a horrible, horrible game.
If Anichebe is good enough to come on at half (he's not FTR), why didn't he start up top? What the hell is the logic of starting 4-5-1 against a Championship side at home?
Roll on, post 200....
196 Posted 01/03/2011 at 21:29:17
197 Posted 02/03/2011 at 08:42:16
We're all of the same opinion and we all agree we're royally fucked.
Don't let Everton FC ruin your week ? those players aren't arsed. Do you think Bily is bothered when he drives home in his £100k Austin to his £5M pad in Ainsdale.....?!?!?!? Mefinks not. He'll take his cash and fuck off back down the hole from which he came after we sell him.
Much in ther same way you and I would if we played for fuckin' Kiev.
Fuck em ? lost interest me. Just a shame I've already got me ticket for Saturday.
198 Posted 02/03/2011 at 09:53:03
199 Posted 02/03/2011 at 13:34:47
I'm officially resigning from this season, just can't take any more of this crap! Just when you think we've turned the corner, we somehow manage to plumb new depths yet again.
Enjoy the relegation battle!
(ps I'm sure I'll be back to join in for some reason!)
200 Posted 02/03/2011 at 14:34:57
201 Posted 02/03/2011 at 14:36:01
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