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Magnificent Seventh

David Moyes finally starts Jermaine Beckford in place of the hugely ineffective Victor Anichebe.  Heitinga also preferred alongside Rodwell, but no Phil Neville, out with a mouth infection. No other surprises for the last game of the season, apart from Cahill on the bench; Bilyaletdinov is suspended.

It was a slow start to the game in the Goodison sunshine until Osman released Rodwell who went on a great run down the right and won a corner that Jagielka headed onto the bar. Then Beckford did well to turn the ball away from his defender, but clipped his shot high and wide.

A fantastic free-kick delivery from Baines could have been better used by Rodwell, who seem surprised it reached him in a very threatening position. But it was Chelsea who mounted a half-decent attack at the other end.  Coleman did brilliantly to get behind the Chelsea defence, but just could not pull the trigger before Cole blocked his shot.

Then it was Osman's turn to break into the area but he was sandwiched and then fouled; however, the howls ofor a penalty were obstinately ignored, Peter Walton deciding that Alex got the ball away from Osman fairly.  But Everton were playing well and taking the game to Chelsea, Baines and Jagielka playing a lovely one-two but the final ball did not reach Rodwell.

Chelsea looked to cut too easily through the Everton defence and set up Anelka but Distin blocked his shot brilliantly. Heitinga then clattered Essien and earned a yellow card on 25 mins. Essien then blatantly dived under attention from Arteta to earn a free-kick off Walton and the full ire of the Goodison faithful.

After a good spell, Everton were squandering possession too easily by passing directly to their opponents, and almost inviting Chelsea to come forward. But Arteta did win a free-kick when Mikel tripped him from behind.  After discussions, Arteta fed Baines laterally but the Player of the Season, struck it very poorly.

Beckford then got free on the left and ran in brilliantly and looked to shoot with Osman and Coleman very well placed but his effort ended up horribly off-target across the face of goal and totally wasted. On half-time, Anelka got hold of one from distance and tested Howard not once but twice. 

Second half and Everton attacking the Gwladys Street.  Coleman almost immediately got a yellow for walking into Cole. Coleman then won a very dangerous free-kick that Arteta clipped off the top of the wall, no real danger from Arteta's corner.  Coleman won another free-kick and it looked like some nice football down the left but the nove broke down when the ball went through Arteta's legs. 

Baines was the next yellow card, for sliding in on Maluda, and then ironic cheers for Alex getting carded for a foul on Beckford as the temperature of the game rose significantly.  Coleaman dived in too aggressively on Malouda who writhed around in agony  again, and the Chelsea players saw their chance to go after Coleman, getting the referee to produce his second yellow and red for Coleman. 

Goodison was livid, but it seemed to inspire the insipid and cheating Chelsea players ,more, Terry, firing in a vicious shot off Howard's post.  Beckford did very well to collect a forward ball away from Alex and advance on Cech but his shot was straight at Cech, who had advanced off his line. Everton put together a lovely move but Rodwell spoilt it with a very poor shot off target.  A classic Beckford moment, out wide, with a man to beat, he just loses the ball!

Another good moved really looked to threaten but Osman could not beat the second man. Arteta's corners were better but still no clear chances  Arteta ten got a gift off a clearance but Arteta's drive was inches wide.  Alex then blocked Beckford with his arms on the half-way line.  Yellow Card? No chance... "The referee's a shithouse!" rang out. 

Baines delivered a great ball to the far post where Osman was coming in a little too late.  Distin powered Arteta's corner over the angle.  Hibbert barged Cole a little unnecessarily and drew more pressure that eventually saw the ball in the net off Terry, but the Chelsea scorer was thankfully flagged offside.

Everton's purple patch looked to have passed as Chelsea increased the intensity of their attacks, and piled forward, but Beckford incredibly picked up the ball off one such attack deep in the Everton half and went on the most unbelievable run, fortunate on a couple of occasions especially at the end when he somehow bundled the ball through three defenders and was free to advance on Cech, he took his time and clipped it over Cech, who got a solid hand to it, but the ball arched up beautifully and fell just inside the far post for a most excellent goal from the much maligned and enigmatically frustrating League One striker.  Everton Striker (Cost £0)  1; Chelsea Strikers (Cost £100Ms) ? Nill!!!

With 12 mins to go, Anichebe replaced Beckford, the goalscorer receiving a glowing accolade from all but the Chelsea fans as he walked off, his spirit and determination the perfect foil for the cheating diving snarky millions that Chelsea and their ref represented.

Chelsea prodded and probed, while Everton tried their hand at counter-attacking football, Heitinga releasing Anichebe down the left.  But Big Vic chose to hold the ball up and wait for the Everton Calvary, then planted a pointless cross in well way from everyone.  Tim Cahill came on for Captain Arteta  on 90 mins,  presumably a cameo so he could receive adulation from the crowd as Everton's top scorer this season, with 4 nervy minutes of added time to play. 

The highlight of added time was the pathetic figure of Fernando Torres, lashing out at Heitinga and picking up a yellow card, much to the amusement of the crowd, who were in increasingly bouyant mood as the whistle approached

Everton finished the game confident of securing a Magnificent Seventh place in the Premier League, the manager and players strolling around the Goodison pitch nonchalantly on their Lap of Appreciation.


Michael Kenrick     Posted 22/05/2011 at

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Martin Mason
1   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:06:12

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Thanks for the report, a great win for the Blues and I'm glad that Beckford got a good one. We rescued a poor season in the end.
Jackie Barry
2   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:10:23

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We most certainly did not rescue a poor season. What happened today has done nothing to change the overall outcome - VERY POOR!
John Ford
3   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:14:51

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Nice one Michael. A decent end to the season. Good effort Blues. Heres hoping for a few key signings in the summer and not too much unwanted hype.
Adam Wilkinson
4   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:20:32

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The season hasn't been that bad for fuck's sake, have a beer and enjoy the good times, don't dwell on our shit results. 10 men against Chelsea and we end up winning 1-0... the dream!!
Richard Lloyd
5   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:29:06

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Honestly were do some fans think we should finish with the resources we have. we have beaten two teams who will be playing in the champs league next season in the last two home games enjoy it for fucks sake
Simon Temme
6   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:27:13

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It may just be that "Another Magnificent Seventh" may be our swan song over the next few seasons.

Yet another case of what if?... 15 draws ? insipid defeats against teams like the Baggies and both the West Ham games ? yes that West Ham, combined with the lack of funds make me think IMO this season's position may be the best we see for some time... Kenwright Out.

Nick Toye
7   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:28:41

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Don't get me wrong ? a win against Chelsea is always good, but it's a pointless win when we can't beat WBA.

Far too many Everton fans are after champagne moments that lose their fizz not long after popping the cork.

David Moyes can't motivate Everton to beat poor teams, so I doubt he's the man behind the big wins against Chelsea and City.

His subs are predictable, he never really takes chances on young players (Baxter, Vellios, Vaughan) and prefers to rely on crap like Anichebe.

I'm sorry but to be an Evertonian, it's all about wanting the best from your club ? and at the moment, 7th is not the best for this club... and before anyone chimes in with the no cash crap ? we got 4th on a shoe string, and we've also spent money (Heitinga, Distin and Bily) from the sale of Lescott, but not exactly ripping up trees with that trio are we?

Am I happy? No. I don't want 7th, I want more than that, and I won't hide behind the lack of funds excuse that so many fans seem willing to do.
Jackie Barry
8   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:31:59

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Richard, with the team we have and some of our displays, it has in my eyes been a missed opportunity. We have not qualified for Europe and what lies ahead worries me, sorry for not sound so optimistic about it all!

We beat teams like Chelsea and some fans think that makes up for all of this, quite frankly it does my head in.
Kunal Desai
9   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:32:36

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It's a just a real shame we raise our game against the bigger clubs, if only we could play like that against the rest. Beckford finally got a goal he thoroughly deserved, though should have scored one possibly two before that.

During the lap of honour, it looked as though Bily was saying his goodbyes to all the players as well. Anyone else pick up on this??
Trevor Mackie
10   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:17:07

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Frustration for me this season, with the poor showing of the recognised top clubs and Man City still working out how to spend their money only Spurs really stepped forward this year.

Can't help thinking we missed a great opportunity to do more.

I must add I'm pleased Wigan come through today, although no axe to grind with Birmingham I'm glad a positive manager (Martinez) has shown defensive football is not the only way no matter how dire the circumstances.
Dalziel Kane
11   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:32:00

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I've said it before, I'm pleased with a last day win over Chelsea, especially as we had nothing to play for. I was a bit surprised to be honest when I learned we had won; no complaining mind, it's a great last day victory over a very good side.

Others have spoken in volume about Everton's season, it hasn't been a disaster; disappointing, sure... the cup results didn't cover themselves in glory but we did not do too bad in the league ? did anyone really think we could snare a Top four place back in August? Not me, it would be a season of ups and downs, some highlights here and there, maybe a good run in the cups, one or two outstanding results, that's all people would expect.

Frank McGregor
12   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:45:36

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Overall a good season considering all the problems great win today.
Simon could you tell us who wants in if "Kenwright out"
Amit Vithlani
13   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:41:28

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Not sure about "Magnificent Seventh"

Sarcasm Michael?

If so, the title is a pointless snidey dig.

If not, a strange description of our league position, as not even Moyes himself would describe 7th as 'magnificent'.
Brian Waring
14   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:55:17

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Amit, I think it was a play on words, like the western "The Magnificent Seven".
Ryan Holroyd
15   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:45:05

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On the way back from Goodison. I was proud of that team today. I love Goodison when it's like that when Coleman was sent off. Proper bear pit.

At the start of the season, I expected us to finish between 4th and 8th. 4th would have massively over exceeded the clubs profile. At the end, so much pretty passing and no end product at the start of the season have cost us a far bit.

We desperately need a winger and a forward to stay still need season. IMO.

It will be an interesting close season that is for sure; I believe we need to raise £15 million to go to the banks BEFORE we spend any money on players.
Anthony Hawkins
16   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:57:40

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Today was a really good game and I'm pleased for the lads that they finished with a win. Particularly pleased for Beckford who will hopefully go on to have a good pre-season and a better second season.

7th is a good result in the end considering the amount of games thrown away; however, this team should have finished higher. On their day, our first 11 can rival most teams.

Transfer money is desperately needed to strengthen the team over the summer. Players to add additional quality not just back-up players. Failure to add quality will result in an additional sense of disillissionment as we saw at the start of this season and no-one wants that.

Well done lads for a good finish to the season!!!

Chris Bannantyne
17   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:44:34

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Pleased with the win, disappointed with the season. I love beating the top sides, but I would give that up for beating those below us any day. If we beat everyone below, and lost to everyone above we would have won the league. Now obviously I'm not suggesting we could actually do that, even the best teams stuff up against lower opposition at times. My point is, our losses to lower teams have been so predictable this season.

Everton to beat Chelsea, for example, might have been paying 4 to 1, Everton to beat Wigan might be only 1.6 to 1. But I would always feel more comfortable putting a bet on against the likes of Chelsea than the likes of Wigan, Wolves, WBA, Birmingham, West Ham, Bolton, Blackburn etc etc....

Yes, our finances leave much to be desired... and yes, maybe we just CAN'T succeed given our financial circumstances, but this argument is pointless at present due to the fact that we take so many points from 'top' teams, and so little from 'lower' teams. If financial circumstances mean we can't compete with the top clubs, then our results should reflect that ? but instead they do the opposite.

For my mind, Moyes needs to take a long hard look at himself and his tactics in the offseason if we are to have any chance of improvement next term.

Delighted to beat Chelski though, those pricks.
Albert Perkins
18   Posted 22/05/2011 at 18:51:58

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You can knock Becks all you like, but he made at least three scoring chances and scored the most spectacular of them. Cost nothing. Torres made no scoring chances and was crap. Cost £50m.

Give Mikel a chance to get over his serious injury. Same with Tim and Jack and Felli. No team has been firing on all cylinders this season. All supporters have had the opportunity to gripe and moan. A bit of perspective is needed here, unless you enjoy complaining. Seems like there's a few of you out there in Toffeeland. Don't let me spoil your fun, you miserable bastards. Ha.......that felt good.
Come on You Blues!
Nick Toye
19   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:13:25

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Chris, you have nailed it mate. That is exactly the problem, and its a problem so many deluded Evertonians seem to ignore. How can we beat big teams and lose to smaller teams?

Tactics. Motivation.
Ryan Holroyd
20   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:06:35

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Amit # 12

The Magnificent 7th is from a DVD we released when we came 7th in David Moyes 1st full season. At that time coming 7th after the previous 15 years was probably "magnificent".

You see, it gives people like MK an easy headline to come up with.

I'd still like to hear from MK, how over a whole season, we should be finishing above teams who have spent hundreds of millions of pounds compared to Everton?
Jamie Tulacz
21   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:15:50

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Gripes about the season aside, thought that we outplayed Cheatski today, even when down to 10 men, and was a fully deserved victory.

Yes it's been a disappointing season, but I'd rather be disappointed with 7th than pleased to escape with 17th. And if you look at it, there's plenty of other top teams who have suffered bad defeats against lower teams. It's just been one of those seasons, one of the strangest that I can remember, where anyone could beat anyone else on a given day. At least we seem to have broken our bad run against the top sides, before this season pretty terrible, it's great to be beating them consistently this season at least!
David Mathieson
22   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:21:49

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First things first: great result today. Beckford has shown he can cut it in the Premier League again, I wish he was given a fairer crack of the whip over the season, he should have played every game in the run-in; if you can?t see why, well good luck to you.

#12 You're it, Moyes would describe 7th as ?? like winning the Champions League?? cbecause we were 6 points off the top six in November

?The Magnificent 7th? was a title of a DVD season review from the Everton shop a few seasons ago when we finshed 7th. I wouldn?t be surprised to see a similarly titled DVD in the near future.

A lot of fans & Moyes think ??.Seventh might be as good as it can get for Everton?.? So 7th must be magnificent for us therefore the title is more than suitable.

David Mathieson
23   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:26:06

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19# Ryan what was Liverpool's net spend this season?
Dennis Stevens
24   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:25:24

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Back in 2003 the "Magnificent Seventh" DVD seemed an indicator of promise for future seasons under Moyes - now we have Moyes himself saying that may be as good as it gets! I'd say "Taxi for Moyes!", but he'd need to be taking the Board away in it as well.
Michael Kenrick
25   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:30:04

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Well said, Nick Toye (#7). Your reinteration of what should be the true Statement of Faith for all Evertonians is 100% correct and cannot be stated often enough. The pervassive acceptance of mid-table mediocrity under this pathetic momey excuse is sickening and defeatist. Sadly, the latest subscriber is our equally defeatist manager!

Glad you picked up on that, Amit (#12) ? it was just for you!

Albert (#17) ? ridiculous comments.

Ryan (#19) ? the key lies in the games we lost (and "magnificently" drew!!!) this season. You can't honestly believe money was directly responsible for those defeats ? just as money was totally NOT responsible for today's excellent win.

For God's sake, please drop this pathetic money arguement: look at our results, look look at the manager's persistent failings that are too many to list (although Rob Williamsoon made a good attempt earlier today!).

We win games we've lost (quite pathetically at times) and we finish higher up the league. Surely even you can understand that???

Dalziel Kane
26   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:26:26

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I'm pleased with United winning a 19th Championship today, if only for the reason it overtakes (finally) Liverpools 18 titles. That unwanted statistic has now been overtaken and they can take put that in their collective pipes and smoke it as they leave Birmingham today after their defeat. :)

only thing is though, it's on all the radio stations, but how many titles had Manchester United when we were lifting our ninth back in 1987? Not many that's for sure. I'd rather have United win the league than the Red Shite that's for sure, although no love lost for either, but that's how I feel about it.
Ryan Holroyd
27   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:30:05

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Sold: Torres £50M; Benayoun £5M; Babbel £6M.

Bought: Carroll £35M; Suarez £25M; Konchesky £3M; Cole Free (wages of £100k a week); Poulson £6M; Merailes £11M; Jovanavic Free, wages of £90k a week; a £20M player on loan to Juventus.

What is your point?
Ryan Holroyd
28   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:37:33

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(#25) Seening as you can't be bothered to look on Google, I'll tell ya: United had 7 titles when Liverpool won their 18th.
Steve Pugh
29   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:31:42

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If we could keep the results we got against the 6 teams that finished above us whilst beating all of the teams in the bottom eight that, to me, would be acceptable. Not good, but acceptable.

The actual league position isn't important because it will come as long as the results are right.
Michael Kenrick
30   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:43:19

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Ryan, how many did Everton have?
David Mathieson
31   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:38:32

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#26 Nice how you missed Mascherano leaving 25 million plus out. I'm pretty sure we have an 11 million player out on loan at the minute.

How much did Alonso go for as well? Probably the year before but if have they spent #19: "hundreds of millions of pounds" In the last couple of seasons, I must of blinked & missed it.

The point is we should have finished above them this year & been challenging for Europe today, minimum, no excuses.
David Crowe
32   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:35:58

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Good report Michael. Absolutely made up for Beckford, everyone in the Gwladys with me today will agree that you could see his relief as the ball went in. Again it was an incredible effort by all the players although it doesn't really make up for the season we've had.

I think we can safely conclude now that our main problems have been firstly, beating the lower teams and secondly, scoring goals. I don't hold Moyes wholly accountable but do believe his tactics have been somewhat negative (wouldn't take any manager bar Sir Alex to replace him, however) and I do believe that with the right decisions in the transfer market this summer, we can look to improve our league position against the odds again.

On reflection, if we'd had a good striker up front this year, we'd have had the 6 points needed to get 6th off Liverpool. However, no time for ifs and buts, enjoy today because it's downhill from here until next season I'm afraid.
Ryan Holroyd
33   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:41:13

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Michael, over a whole season the better players you have the more games you will win.

The key to that sentence is "over the whole season".

Or are you saying because Birmingham beat Arsenal in the Milk Cup/ Coke-a-Cola/Worthingtons/Carlsberg League Cup Final they are better than Arsenal?

Surely even YOU can understand money matters in football? We do very well to do what we do.

As you're on I'd like to ask you your thoughts on Bill Kenwright, who has been at the club for 20-odd years as we went from League champions to surviving on the last day of the season?

If you spend as much time getting rid of that cunt as opposed to your incessant ramblings about the manager, maybe we would have more than fook all to spend each season.
Paul Foster
34   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:53:38

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"David Moyes can't motivate Everton to beat poor teams, so I doubt he's the man behind the big wins against Chelsea and City." (Nick Toye)

What a crock of shit. You doubt he's the man behind the big wins against Chelsea and City? What does that even mean? He quite evidently and provably is that man - he's the fucking manager and is responsible for the wins, the draws and the losses. Yes, he has his faults, but it is just illogical bollocks to take victories away from him based on some bizarre primary school reasoning.

Good victory today. Disappointing season, as Moyes, Arteta and others have said. Let's see if we can start the season properly next year ... !
Ryan Holroyd
35   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:54:58

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9 league titles Michael.
Iain Love
36   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:47:30

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Nick 7, ? "Am I happy? No. I don't want 7th, I want more than that, and I won't hide behind the lack of funds excuse that so many fans seem willing to do."

Am I happy ? No, but money isn't an excuse it's a reason and anyone who can't see that is frankly living in cloud cuckoo land.

Great result today and gives us something to smile about before the usual transfer window shambles. I only hope that we can sell Rodwell early for good money and buy Larson from Brum and Drogba from Chelski... Now who's living in cloud cuckoo land?

Paul Olsen
37   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:56:38

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"David Moyes can't motivate Everton to beat poor teams, so I doubt he's the man behind the big wins against Chelsea and City."

In previous years we have beater the poor teams and lost to the top sides. But i guess either way Moyes is to blame?
Al Reddish
38   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:51:15

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Did anyone see Hawwy Redknapp on TV?He had a pop at some of his fans, especially those that use phone-ins and told them to get real as he didn't think Spurs have had a better season in years and told them to make the most of it as he quoted, "This is as good as it get's for us. We can't keep up with Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool will be a force next season too."

Maybe 6th is the most they can hope for and that's with shit loads of cash.

Great result for us today and, except Arsenal, we have taken points off all those above us, it's a shame we let ourselves down in the 'winnable' games.

Liverpool spent £50m on a new strikeforce and we weren't too far from them in the end. Not good enough for Everton I know, but a decent end to a disappointing season.

Let's hope we can get some bargains in the summer and get rid of some dead wood to give ourselves a chance come August.

Ryan Holroyd
39   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:58:25

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# 30

You're right, I forgot about rat face. I was doing it from memory.

However, you look at what they've spent over the time Moyes has been at Everton plus their wage bill, plus not having to sell Gerrard and Carragher (If we'd kept Rooney we could have been top 4) then come back to me.

I reckon their wage bill plus the amount they have spent on players would be in far excess if what we have spent.

Why "should" we finish above Liverpool?

How many times have Espanyol finished above Barcelona in the past 30 years?
Jamie Tulacz
40   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:55:18

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If the money argument is so wrong, how come the teams with the most money consistently come in the top positions? Money can buy you better players simple as. Strange how many use good results over the big teams as a stick to beat Moyes. With a small cheaply assembled squad, we may well be able to beat the bigger teams on our day, but we're also able to lose to the smaller ones, as we simply don't have bigger resources or a better squad.

If we'd had a fraction of the money City had to spend on strikers for example (£45m on Tevez and £28m on Dzeko who's hardly set the world on fire.

We may or may not have spent more or less than the beloved Shite over the last summer, don't know the stat to be honest. But I can tell you over the last few years we sure as hell haven't spent more than them ? remember seeing a stat in the papers that Benitez had a net spend around £20m a year over his tenure against Moyes's net spend of about £3m. Anyone who thinks we spend more than them lot must be a little deluded.
Dennis Stevens
41   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:00:13

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Ryan, "...over a whole season the better players you have the more games you will win." Haven't Everton rather proved the opposite this season by tending to perform better without many of their better players than earlier in the season when they were all fit & available?
Colin Southern
42   Posted 22/05/2011 at 19:59:35

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To find a fault is easy; to do better may be difficult. Plutarch

I'd like to say well done to the Boys today, despite not having some of our best players out today we still managed to beat one of the best teams in Europe with 10 men and with a wonder goal too!
Kevin Sparke
43   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:04:46

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Well, you can either look at this season as a wasted opportunity or a flash at just how good Moyes is as a manager - and in my eyes and given the resources he's got - he's the best in the business.

If only, he had a quarter of the resources that Houllier spunked away; if only he had a fifth of what Benitez had at his disposal. If only he had a tenth of what Hughes and Mancini had a Manchester City.

Our problem at the beginning of the season was a failure to bang the ball in the net - the result draw after draw. Our problem mid season was a failure to avoid injury and so we beat the best in the country with a rag tag team - our failure overall was the failure of the board to support the manager. If we'd had gone for and got Bent instead of Villa - I'm convinced we'd have at least finished above Liverpool, probably above Spurs, might have pipped Arsenal.

Kudos to Moyes - the real supporters know his worth, the 35,000 thousand who chanted his name throughout the match. The guys who think about the game and appreciate the mountain we have to climb to stay competitive.

Long may he remain manager - long may we chant his name - chant it loud - chant it clear.
Jamie Tulacz
44   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:10:34

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Dennis (40)- fair point and that one's got me struggling to work it out. Think the point is more that you can't expect consistency over a whole season, when you have a small squad which lacks quality in depth over all positions.

For example, during our bad run of form earlier this season we just didn't have the players to bring in to replace players who were underperforming.
Rob Murphy
45   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:16:22

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Looking at the final table, once again we've punched above our weight when you look at the money other clubs have to spend. In my opinion, 6th or 7th is as good as it'll get without major investment.
Amit Vithlani
46   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:21:45

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Michael #24

"Glad you picked up on that, Amit (#12) ? it was just for you!"

Err yeah thanks. I'm made up you came up with a pointless snidey sneer at our league position just for me.

"We win games we've lost (quite pathetically at times) and we finish higher up the league. Surely even you can understand that???"

Come again please?
Kunal Desai
47   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:29:25

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So Ancelotti is given the boot - for all the money in the world, they will never be able to buy class!

Moyes for Chelsea??
Jamie Tulacz
48   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:35:53

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Feel quite sorry for Ancelotti, dignified man came across well and didn't do a lot wrong. Really don't think it pays off chopping and changing managers at every whim.
David Hallwood
49   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:35:09

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Michael Kenrick (#24) implores us to ?please drop this pathetic money argument? ? fine. I would like to state that Citteh?s rise from 3rd division to 3rd in the EPL and Champions League football has nothing to do with the oil money and everything to do with Mancini?s fantastic management skills.

Likewise Chelsea; one and only league title was in 1955, but it was the special one that revived their fortunes NOT Russian billions.

And Man U, it?s only coincidental that they can regularly break the transfer record and pay the best wages, it?s all about SAF, in fact if he had the same wage budget as Ian Holloway, which is a maximum of £10k per player, why he would still be putting out a team that wins the league, cup CL, because it?s not about money.

Al Reddish
50   Posted 22/05/2011 at 20:48:39

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Well said David above, you posted what I was about to post pretty much word for word. It was the same when Blackburn won the league. Since their wealth has suffered, so has their league position. The same can be said of Newcastle and Leeds.
Gary Carter
51   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:02:28

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What a stupid stupid argument it is to say that our lack of funds is a pathetic excuse !!!! Check what the 6 sides above us spent and compare it with our spending. We should be being relegated but luckily we have a manager so good that he can take us to 7th with nothing !!

Also, this myth about us beating the top sides and losing against the lower sides, we won 5 out of 12 games against the sides above us, 4 home wins against Liverpoo, Spurs, Shitteh and of course Chelski today, the away win coming against Shitteh. We drew 4 and lost 3, a superb record but surely our manager can take some credit for this, yet strangely none of the "Moyes out" brigade will acknowledge this, instead use it as a reason for him getting the axe !! Surely a bigger and better squad and we would be more consistant .....
Michael Kenrick
52   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:18:31

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Earth to Hallwood (#48) ? Plucky little Everton just beat megabucks Chelsea... second time this season. It's over three years since megabucks Chelsea beat monetary minnows Everton...

Everton also beat Man City, not once but TWICE this season. That's the Man City with all the money...

And, if the Manger had a decent pair of cajonnes, we would have beaten a poor Man Utd side, who also have lots of money and yes, are the League Champions.

These results combined with our pathetic losses and bore-draws against poorer sides, indicate that Everton's individual results are NOT simply all about money, as some maintain. Something else is going on...

We can't do much about the money thing... but I am convinced that something could be done to correct the part of the equation that sees us playing poorly, losing winnable games, and dropping to the foot of the table, as we did at the start of the season. Obviously, if we rose from 20th to 7th, over part of the season, then we have the capability to have finished higher if those earlier results had been better. Can you lot who say we could not possibly have finished higher than 7th please address this one simple issue?
Matt Compton
53   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:18:48

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You could maybe argue Moyes has much less margin for error. Given our resources he has to get it right.

We can talk about tactics and squad selection all we want. They are his players now as well.

But, we do have one of the smallest squads in the league, we suffer from injuries, and moreover we suffer from not being able to progress due to finances. That will have a detrimental effect on all involved.

We're stale, it's as simple as that. This summer will be a massive test for Moyes, he needs to freshen up and that'll involve selling to buy....
Peter Warren
54   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:19:39

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I think the point being made about money is that we can actually play good football without it, have signed quality players without it and have finished 4th in the league without it.

9 years with one cup final appearance and 11 players defending corners means some people disappointed and I can understand why. To simply blame all this because we do not have any money I don't think is right, equally money would,of course help.

The one thing I would argue, despite lack of money is that we should have done better on every competition. League cup (an absolute embarassment - like it has been for every season but 1), fa cup threw a great chance away and league - does not everybody think we should and could have done better and at the least, finished above the shite only for us ourselves to be useless for the first 20 games, believing our own hype and then failing to produce and freezing with expectation ?
Tony J Williams
55   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:11:08

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Money has nothing to do with it? It's strange then that the team with the biggest debt in the league has won it and the team that won the FA Cup is the biggest spending team of the last two years. (Don't include the Worthless Cup, because it is just that to the "bigger" sides).
Al Reddish
56   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:23:11

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Michael, I am not claimimg we can't finish higher, it's just a hell of a lot harder without money. We have had some good results but our poor start once again has cost us. You are right to say this needs addressing.

However, on your reasoning then Wolves should also be up there. They have had some fantastic results against the top teams and even beat "a poor Man Utd side who have lots of money and yes, are the League Champions."

Maybe Mick McCarthy should also correct the part that saw them slump down the table, with hardly any money and next year they could challenge for the double!!!

Michael Kenrick
57   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:25:34

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We lost too many games to poor opposition this season.

When we lose, we get zero points... null, nada.

In many of those games we were really poor/pathetic (Bolton away).

If we'd payed better and won, we would have gained 3 points instead of zero each time.

If we had more points, we would finish higher up the Premier League table.

Five points more and we finish above Liverpool; Nine more and we finish above Spurs...

[Am I really having to explain this?!?!]
Tony J Williams
58   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:32:55

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"And, if the Manger had a decent pair of cajonnes, we would have beaten a poor Man Utd side" The same poor ManU side that won 18 out of 19 home games, shite they are!!!
Tony J Williams
59   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:37:00

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Michael, you say grow some cajonnes, yet the exact same formation (at home) has just beaten the 2nd placed and 3rd placed team. So where are the extra "cajonnes" coming from?
David Mathieson
60   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:15:48

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50# Gary Carter
?Check what the 6 sides above us spent and compare it with our spending. We should be being relegated but luckily we have a manager so good that he can take us to 7th with nothing?

Check what the 13 sides below us have spent & we should not be getting relegated! The people who believe this are in need of serious help & believe Moyes? self promoting ass he chats.

Ryan #38
For starters comparing Everton with Espanyol is stupid, if you don?t know why, well there you go. Your rather large back track from #19: "hundreds of millions of pounds" has amused me.

Last season we were one place behind Liverpool, since then they nearly went bust, lost their best striker & defensive midfielder & changed managers. The last two seasons they have been out the champions league & been on a much more even playing field with Everton. So why shouldn?t we be finishing above them? Considering above ^ & their net spend over the past couple of seasons is in the negative!

?Ronney, Gerrard Carragher blah blah?
As for Rooney & Everton, didn?t he leave because he didn?t get on with Moyes? I don?t rate Sefton?s finest Carragher, Whiston?s finest Gerrard is a good player yee but how many games did he play this season?

I read people post that Moyes is the ?best in the business? Seems to me like Acid abuse has gotten out of control.

Michael Kenrick
61   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:33:02

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Gary ? "Surely a bigger and better squad and we would be more consistent..."

For the crucial first six games of the is season, Moyes had more or less a full squad that he himself had said great things about. We had on average just two players out on loan (not 10 as later in the season, when we performed a lot better); we had on average just 3 players injured (not 8 as later in the season, when we performed a lot better).

It's been observed plenty of times: Moyes does better with a smaller squad; he does better with cheap buys, not expensive ones. So the money arguement really is a side issue in terms of what Moyes and Everton can do. Look at the results: they disprove almost everything the monetarists claim to excuse his failings as manager.
Peter Warren
62   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:40:00

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Come on guys, some can understand us keep it tight, men behind the ball tactics against better sides, but at home, against Wolves, Bolton, Newcastle, West Brom why not go for it. Imagine playing Coleman at right back, Cahill in a midfield 4, Saha and Beckford or with Yak up front - perhaps rather than taking 2 points or whatever we got, perhaps we could get 6 points.

Here's another way of growing extra "Cajones"- sell your Jags, your Arteta and loads of money in and then buy 4 players. Oh no, I'll tell you whatm keep our best players, knowing we can't spend any money and then tell everybody 7th is the best we can ever do because we have no finances, cry, cry, cry.
Peter Warren
63   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:49:48

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Michael, I get what you say about Moyes and money although would argue that his three out of his four biggest signings were very good: Fellaini, Johnson, Yak and Bily.
Tony J Williams
64   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:51:30

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Peter, when does "cajonnes" equate to selling your better players and hope the small amount of money the manager gets from the sales will get one half decent player? ..... Actually it is ballsy, but also stupid.
Tony J Williams
65   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:53:50

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Michael, the best player (in my opinion) that he has ever bought is the most expensive one, Felliani, the next expensive was the first striker to get 20 goals in a season for a very, very long time.
Tony J Williams
66   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:55:44

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"Check what the 13 sides below us have spent & we should not be getting relegated! The people who believe this are in need of serious help & believe Moyes? self promoting ass he chats"

The bottom 4 teams net spend this season, West Ham, £12,200,00 Blackpool, £3,675,000 Birmingham, £19,825,000 Wolves £14, 200,000 and in comparison Citteh, £126,500,00 - Our net spend was minus £1,700,000.
Brendan O'Doherty
67   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:54:32

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Another win against a top 4 team today. :-)

Just heard 'Arry telling any moaning Spurs fans that 5th "is as good as it gets."

We finish 4 points behind the RS due to our inconsistency earlier in the season but come good in the end to finish 7th, despite no investment and having to sell one of our better players this season (and not re-investing the transfer fee). 5 successive top 8 finishes.

A sense of perspective is needed here. It is no good saying 'but what if we hadn't dropped points there' when you could also say 'we weren't expected to win that one' also.

This IS as good as it gets without investment. It will be ever harder to finish 7th next season, and increasingly so in subsequent seasons as those above pull further and further away. It's time to cop on.
David McKitt
68   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:06:59

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Regarding spending power vs the RS...

Transfers between 2006 to 2011... makes interesting reading.

Michael Kenrick
69   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:08:34

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Peter (#62) & Tony (#64) ? I agree, everyone of those players was a good signing, and each of them had a great first season at Everton.

And then what happened.... ???

Common Deniminator???

No, I won't even go there.
Paul Foster
70   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:13:21

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Can we stop this silly argument? Does anybody REALLY believe that money doesn't buy success? I think a league table/money spent analysis for the last 10 years would illustrate otherwise!

Yes, it's possible to over-achieve (Moyes has done it several times). It's just extraordinarily difficult when your opponents are spending hundrends of millions of pounds.

And you CANNOT use the false argument "we beat Chelsea therefore we should've beaten everybody else".

Sometimes, it's exactly because you beat the top teams that it becomes difficult to beat the rest. Players over-exert themselves in victory and are knackered for the next game, plus lowly opposition teams raise their games against the team that stuck it to Chelsea.

Of course teams who spend very little can beat teams that spend a lot. That's why cup football can be interesting. It's just that over the course of 38 games, it's absolutely inevitable that a team that spends £300m in pre-season will finish above a team that spends £3m.
Tony J Williams
71   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:21:21

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Felliani was having a great second season too until he was kicked off the park, so I fail to understand your final comment..... in fact I do, it ranks along side your conspiracy theory that Moyes may be the reason that a sell out didn't occur. Says it all really.
David Hallwood
72   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:24:15

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Michael#51, either you keep confusing me with James Tiberius Kirk, or is it anyone that disagrees with your deep or profound football knowledge must be some kind of moon man. The simple inescapable fact that the Sky 4 + Citteh are there because they have loads of money to spend and they can afford to have a bench full of internationals that are on more than our top earner, therefore injuries, loss of form etc is more easy to deal with. The balance of power to the money sides is reflected in the share of domestic honours; prior to the EPL in 1992 the double had been done 3 times, in the 20th Century, that?s 3 times in 92 years. The double has been done 6 times in 20 years by ? yes, you?ve guessed it ? Arsenal, Man Utd & Chelsea.

Remember that Moyes had a transfer budget of zero in the summer, and minus zero in the January window when he had to get players off the wage bill and couldn?t even afford to sign Hammill for £k. But given a load of cash I?m sure that he would?ve solved the RM problem (why do you think he signed Donovan on loan?) and brought a striker in.

Yes he?s a cautious manager that sets up his team not to concede, but so does the special one, and Mancini, and that drives a lot of Evertonians (sometimes me included) to distraction. However, your half-arsed argument that because we can beat Chelsea, Citteh, Spurs we should be more adventurous and batter the ?lesser? teams and be challenging for Champions League Spot if not the title itself. When in fact all you are highlighting that on the day anyone can beat anyone, but to quote Bill Shankley, the league is a marathon and it is the teams with the strongest squads that win the trophies, and we haven?t got a bench that can mount a challenge on the usual subjects that have taken root in the top 4 places practically since the inception of the EPL.
Paul McGinty
73   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:09:08

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Isn't it a bit simplistic to talk about big signings just in terms of the transfer fee. Arteta, Neville, Pienaar, Distin, Heitinga weren't big money signings but the length of contract and their wage demands, would jack up the clubs financial exposure. So I wouldn't necessarily call them bargain basement type of deals.

I could not agree with the sentiment that any of these players went backwards under Moyes management.. Obviously there will always be players who do not work out; to me, Bily being a case in point of the present squad.

But to imply Moyes methods somehow ruins players... I don't get that at all.

Tony J Williams
74   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:31:18

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Don't worry Davis, apparently we lose because of him and win in spite of him. That's the thinking because some posters here.

The idea of money getting better players and squad players to replace first teamers when they are going through a rocky patch is lost on them.

Because we beat Chelsea, Spurs, Citteh twice and the Shite, we should be beating everyone.

Surprised that Wolves nearly went down because they beat ManU and a few other big sides... surely that should mean they should be pushing for the league, No?
Dennis Stevens
75   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:20:11

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"Dennis (40)- fair point and that one's got me struggling to work it out. Think the point is more that you can't expect consistency over a whole season, when you have a small squad which lacks quality in depth over all positions.

"For example, during our bad run of form earlier this season we just didn't have the players to bring in to replace players who were underperforming."

Jamie, I think maybe you're struggling to work that one out because you want to exclude criticism of Moyes from the possible explanations. I don't see why a small squad necessarily lacks consisitency. The idea that lack of depth is a factor doesn't really stack up when you consider the poor performances when a full, fit squad was available. We did have replacements for our underperforming 'stars', but Moyes wouldn't use them ? but as we lost those stars our results tended to improve. Does that mean Moyes should have used his 'best squad ever' to put pressure on the so-called stars to play for their places, or maybe the fringe players adhere to Moyes preparations more fastidiously? I don't know, but it's Moyes's job to sort these things out & make it work.

It seems to me that we have a manager who's perfect for the requirements of the current Board, but we don't have either a Board or manager who are perfect for Everton. However, until we see changes at Board level, Moyes continuing as a safe pair of hands is all we have to look forward to.

David Mathieson
76   Posted 22/05/2011 at 22:42:10

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Tony J 65#

"Check what the 13 sides below us have spent & we should not be getting relegated! The people who believe this are in need of serious help & believe Moyes? self promoting ass he chats"
I was pointing out ?we should not be getting relegated? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

?The bottom 4 teams net spend this season, West Ham, £12,200,00 Blackpool, £3,675,000 Birmingham, £19,825,000 Wolves £14, 200,000 and in comparison Citteh, £126,500,00 - Our net spend was minus £1,700,000.?
Your cherry-picked statistics; here are my own:

Fulham (1 place below us), Liverpool (1 above), Aston Villa (2 below), Sunderland (3 below), and Newcastle (5 below) all have a negative net spend (that means more incoming than outgoing) on transfers ? all of them have a greater negative net spend than ourselves so we are hardly relegation fodder on the spending front which I was pointing out.

Ryan Holroyd
77   Posted 22/05/2011 at 23:59:00

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Paul Olsen
78   Posted 23/05/2011 at 00:22:48

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#48 says it all really.
Roberto Birquet
79   Posted 22/05/2011 at 21:16:43

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David Mathieson (#22) ? "19# Ryan what was Liverpool's net spend this season?"
David, what was Liverpool's spending on wages this season?

Perhaps double that of Everton, or was it even more?

Not to mention the accumulation of player capital Liverpool has, and yet just four points ahead of us. I want better, but still appreciate what Moyes does within a tight budget by the League's standards.
Martin Mason
80   Posted 23/05/2011 at 03:29:59

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The major problem with many Evertonians, and we are becoming renowned for it, is that we have absolutely unrealistic expectations for a club with such badly limited resources. We struggle to beat poorer teams that come and park the bus and we do well against better teams that play against us.

We've had a handful of truly dreadful performances but we did in 1970 with the best team in the country. We've finished in the top 3rd of the best league in Europe and the teams above us all had the ability to outspend us and even take our better players from us.

I say it was still a good season and that we have a great manager and a team to be mainly proud of.

Peter O'Connor
81   Posted 23/05/2011 at 07:34:40

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7th this season.
8th last season.

Can't help but feeling even more disappointed this season than I did last year.

We missed a good opportunity this year through bad tactics, lack of grit and effort.

A striking coach at Goodison would go a long way to reducing the negativity (too many defenders on coaching staff) and stop us wasting the talents of decent strikers.

Next season we need to respect nobody and let the opposition worry about what we are going to do rather than us constantly worrying about how good they are.
Ov Collyer
82   Posted 23/05/2011 at 07:47:47

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I think it is testament to the quality of Moyes that we continue to punch above our financial weight.

It's interesting that some blues do still feel we should be doing better, and certainly there are plenty of results where we appear to have underachieved.

Those are balanced by those where we have over-achieved though (such as yesterday) so overall I think 7th is a pretty good return all things considered.

Before anyone puts me in the category of Evertonians who is content with finishing 7th forever then of course I am not and I believe we should be ambitious.

I'm realistic though, under the current regime it's unrealistic to expect it to get much better, in my opinion so it's better to try and enjoy the positives and hope that over time the off-field situation changes, whether that be investment or perhaps even the slight levelling of the playing field, long term, if clubs can no longer do what Chelsea and Man City have done in recent years.

Wouldn't it be poetic if in ten years time Everton turned out to be the tortoise and those big spenders were the hares.

Well, one can dream..... :)
Kevin Gillen
83   Posted 23/05/2011 at 09:17:37

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It is hard to believe we finished seventh playing like that. It shows that, in spite of our finances, we have some superb players and can get at anyone. This season was an opportunity missed. Congratulations to Beckford. He could have had four.
Dave Wilson
84   Posted 23/05/2011 at 09:54:49

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I cant believe there are people who despite all evidence to the contrary, continue to insist money not an issue.

After claiming Moyes doesn't have the tactical nous to beat the big boys, they have finally been forced to admit he does.

Now they are claiming he should win all the other games too... without funds afforded to ALL the managers who finished above him.

The overwhelming majority have acknowledged Moyes's ability to stand toe-to-toe with the best for some time, but they also understand that, to do this over a sustained period and break into the top 4, he would need to be alowed operate on a level playing field ? he isn't.

It seems to me that many who have stopped attending or are threatening to stop attending feel the need to justify their actions so they point the finger (wrongfuly IMO) at the manager. No Evertonian is happy with the way the club is run at the moment but the overwhelming majority of matchgoing Evertonians are satisfied we have a manager who is doing a fine job under the circumstances.

The thunderous applause Moyes recieved from all sides of the ground provided more than adequate evidence of that.
Paul Carr
85   Posted 23/05/2011 at 11:08:25

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Let us not forget the new Ueffa financial rules, which will gradually create a more level playing field and get transfer fees and salaries down to more sustainable levels.

The best manager in the World (Fergie) respects David Moyes and probably sees him as his potential heir when he retires in 5 years time!

All we need next season is a better start, less injuries, and a stronger group of strikers. The Yak seemed to get back some form on loan (and is still under 30) and that great goalscorer and Evertonian, Michael Owen, is available on a free. As is Boothroyd, another potential Beckford.

Top 6 and a Cup next year will be achievable progress.

Andrew Gilbert
86   Posted 23/05/2011 at 15:13:37

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Good game today... sorry, yesterday, enjoyed it immensely after feeling half-arsed at 4pm. Nothing like a sending-off to get us going and at the game it looked a terrible decision but having seen it since I can see why. Well done to Beckford for such a great goal... if that had been the first game of the season, we would be talking title now! (In a slightly deluded fashion).

We are also the only team in the Premier League this season not to lose two in a row! Something I didn't notice until I read or heard it the day before.

I'm off to buy an Aston Martin now because I've heard that money doesn't matter!
Jon Bourne
87   Posted 23/05/2011 at 21:59:07

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I can only assume the comments of Michael Kenrick are created to generate comment as no sane man would utter them!!! My summary of his ramblings are: 1. If we'd won more games we'd have more points and finish higher - thanks for that one oh gifted one and 2. Money doesn't buy success in the Prem League ? does he really expect to be taken seriously? C'mon MK tell us you're just having a laugh with that one??
Michael Kenrick
88   Posted 24/05/2011 at 06:50:34

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Jon Bourne, if you'd followed the thread, you may see that (1) was necessary because it seemed Amit (#46) could not understand this basic principle of football. Sad, I know...

As for (2), your summary crucially alters the message, My concern is that poor results are excused because the manager does not have the resources at hand to do any better... Yet this same manager who is lacking in the resources the bigger better teams have, is able to beat them. Follow the logic and you'll see that the results of individual games are not dictated by resources, that it's not all about money.

If it were all about money, then the results of individual games would be far more predictable than they are, and a lot of punters would be a lot richer than they are.
Jim Potter
89   Posted 24/05/2011 at 06:09:44

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Right, let's survey the battlefield .... their army has... pass me the binoculars ... tanks, heavy artillery, air cover, possibility of naval barrage and .... plenty of fresh reserves.

And we have .... some plucky chaps, a donkey ot two, a fine general and some stale rollies.

Our General's suggesting we might need to be a bit cautious occasionally - and at times it might go a little badly for us .... I suppose I can see his point ...

News from HQ ... Party Leader Kenrick is demanding to know why the General hasn't won the war yet!

The PL apparently told the general .. "Disadvantages? Problems? Balderdash! CHARGE!!!"

Same old same old ... Pragmatists versus Moyes bashers. If I had a pound for every time I've read the same anti-Moyes diatribe .... then we would have enough money for Moyes to truly compete.

Ah, but then again, I've just read that money doesn't really matter. Silly me.

When it goes badly - Moyes' fault. When it goes well - Moyes got lucky.

It's the same for all walks of life isn't it? Money just doesn't matter ....... Yea. Right.

David #72 well said.

If Moyes did go MK - should we be thanking you for Sam Alladyce? Or do you think we'd get Mourinho?
Brian Waring
90   Posted 24/05/2011 at 08:24:26

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It's been mentioned before, Moyes has one of the cushiest and safest jobs in world football, and to boot, he is one of the highest paid managers in the prem. If only my job was like that.

There is no pressure on him from the chairman and a number of our fans. If he does well he is a god because he has done it without money; if he does shite, that's okay, because he has no money.

It's a sad day when some of our fans are happy to go with the flow instead of demanding more from Moyes.
Jon Bourne
91   Posted 24/05/2011 at 08:56:19

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MK - thanks for your response but your argument about money not mattering cant be based on results of individual games it can only be based on where teams finish after the 38 games.

The 6 teams above us have, can and will spend more than us - fact. Plenty of the teams below us can find the cash to splash like Villa found £20+ for a quality striker and look how they jumped up the league.

If Beckford can get 10 goals for us what can a quality striker get us BUT for whatever reason our manager wont get that kind of cash to spend - so how do we move on and up?

Don't want to sound too dull and pragmatic but cash does talk in all walks of life esp footy nowadays. DM does make cock ups - who doesnt - but someone please tell me realistically who would we get/want to replace him?? Genuinely want to hear who?
Andrew Gilbert
92   Posted 24/05/2011 at 18:26:21

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Michael, having a go at Amit (#46) was a little OTT.

'We win games we've lost (quite pathetically at times) and we finish higher up the league. Surely even you can understand that???'

The above could have been put a better way. I had to read it a couple of times before it made sense.

Maybe something like:

'If we had won some of the games we had lost we would have finished higher up the league. Surely.. blah, blah.'

Supporters of every team can say the same thing; we beat City away but it could easily have been a 6-2 defeat. Utd only won 5 away, if they had got their usual haul they would have been out of sight by Christmas. Money Matters... as you say... [Am I really having to explain this?!?!]
Dennis Stevens
93   Posted 24/05/2011 at 22:19:34

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So at the end of a Premier League season in which we?ve failed to beat West Ham United, Wigan Athletic, Bolton Wanderers or West Bromwich Albion either at home or away, Moyes is beyond criticism because of lack of funds?
Tony J Williams
94   Posted 25/05/2011 at 13:50:33

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Not at all Dennis, he is in the front line for criticism along with the players for their crap displays at the games you mention, however in a balanced argument you would have to concede that the manager and players got it right against Chelski, Spuds, Citteh, the Shite, Wolves, Fulham, Brum, Sunderland and Blackpool who failed to beat us this season
Dennis Stevens
95   Posted 26/05/2011 at 00:48:34

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Wow! Tony, I can?t believe you presented that list of teams who failed to beat us as though it was some kind of an achievement ? including three of the bottom four teams in the league! In particular, I wouldn?t describe draws at home to Birmingham City & Wolverhampton Wanderers as ?getting it right?.
Tony J Williams
96   Posted 28/05/2011 at 15:14:35

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Not an achievement at all just putting the balancing act to the list of "absolute failures" in your post. That's what happens with the season is 38 games long. Not 10 games.

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