Sorry, can't help it... I just had to get it off my chest: Why am I, a football lover as long as I can remember, already pissed off with this World Cup?
Absolutely up to the eyeballs with whinging, acting ponces who cry out and feign injury at the slightest nudge. Inept officials (where did they find them?) and watching players being sent off and missing games because of rules that just do not work in the modern game. It is no fun to watch 10 players work their bollocks off against 11. "But that's a part of the game", I hear you say.... "No," I say!! "Football was meant to be played 11 against 11."
What is the most important part of a football pitch? The white line between the goal posts of course ... and in the year 2010, Fifa still do not have a system that can tell when the ball passes over it for ffs. If Fifa do not allow referees to use video after this complete balls-up, then the people who decide should take a long walk off a short pier.
Right, here are my new rules for football... ready?
1) Introduce use of video to decide crucial situations , i.e. goals, sending offs, offsides.
2) Players wrongly sent off suffer no match ban if video proves ref was wrong.
3) Introduce a third card (orange). This would mean player is sent off, but team can replace with substitute (less 10 v 11 games).
4) No double punishment in penalty situations, penalty against and red card is too harsh...
5) Shirt pulling must stop for once and all... (orange card)!!
6) Ban vuvuzellas!
Tony Cheek, Posted 01/07/2010 at 08:41:09
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1 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:03:35
The orange card is a 'hack card' by the looks of things. A RED card is there for a reason. An orange card will never happen, you get a player sent off for a reason, if your saying use video then there would be less sendings off anyway.
4) is correct in my eyes.
5) ban shirt pulling............you may as well watch basketball instead. Hope thats a joke, shirt pulling is part of the game, running with moving your arms is natural, jumping with raised arms is natural.
Out of all your points, only number 4 'could' happen. 1 is unlikely. the rest defo wont happen.
Blatter doesnt want technology, must be a reason for this thats more to it than we realise.
2 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:41
2) Lightweight football causing no excitement, shots were akin to kicking a beach ball on Southport beach
3) Play acting and diving, trying to get players booked or sent off, pulling off shirts.
4) In games of such tremendous importance not allowing technology to overrule terrible decisions, when all other sports allow it.
5) The power someone like Blatter has, exceeds that of many prime ministers
6) The fact players are so overpaid and come to play in the likes of England as pure mercenaries.
7) The Premier League is overrated is you regard the top 4 countries as Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Spain, how many of the starting 11 ie 44 players play in it,
I make that 2 out of 44, I am guessing 2 as some players come on as sub like Maxi and Fabregas.
8) The England players none of whom played for us thankfully, being no more than a bunch of overpaid pampered baby bentley arrogant people who have totally forgotten where they come from
3 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:19
As for your other ideas Tony I think only number 2 could work, but it will never happen as football federations wont want to undermine the referees, no matter how obviously the wrong decision had been made.
Something else that has annoyed the hell out of me this World Cup is the number of players waving the imaginary card to get players book. I?m sure this was meant to be stamp out during the competition with referees told to book played for making such gestures? alas like so many unsporting acts, nothing has happened NSNO
4 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:35:26
This World Cup has seen inferior teams able to park the bus and play for a draw. I'd like to see 10-a-side football. After all, the dimensions of the pitch have not changed for 100 or so years and yet the players are about 6" taller, much more robust and athletic. Open the space up again, reduce congestion and save the clubs 10% on their wage bills.
Goal-line technology has to come surely? And placing incidents on report has to come too. There is much to learn from Rugby League.
5 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:29:05
One system, used at Wimbledon, actually has a signal to the ref when ball crosses the line. This would not help with off-side decisions, when a goal is scored, though.
Players in rugby appeal cards on video evidence, but they can also be cited for foul play not seen by ref but by other officials, especially if on video.
I would like to see any play-acting or diving severely censured by citing officers with video support. What on earth are we teaching the kids with these antics? Score would have to stand, but if a penalty is gained by a dive, 6 months suspension would stop it.
Double penalty for foul in area? Card and penalty. I don't like it. Why not just award a goal for professional foul? Do not risk a spot kick. Give a penalty for mis-timed tackle.
Vuvuselas? Only good for drinking beer through. Ooops my rugby side creeps in again.
6 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:38:26
My particular bugbear is the cheating, especially the Stevie G type swan dives which con referees.
Why not use video after the event and impose punishments ? a sliding scale of bans starting with three games for a Stevie G? If players knew that retrospective punishments, based on video evidence, were to be implemented, it would soon stop the Stevie Gs doing their swan dives during games.
7 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:50:00
8 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:14:52
The idea of awarding a goal for intentional hands on the goal line is a good one... that could work, maybe with yellow card, but not red, the rule at the moment is a game-spoiler.
9 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:26:30
10 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:45:28
11 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:05:16
12 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:01:58
All decisions should be overturnable (is that a word?) retrospectively. The referee does not have divine infallibility.
4 is an interesting one. If the penalty is missed, then without a red card the defender has got away with it, if it's scored then its too harsh. Two solutions: a) like in rugby, you simply award a goal anyway; b) the player faces an anxious wait, if the penalty is scored, he stays on the pitch, if it's missed, he's sent off.
13 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:11:35
People should be talking about the players after the game, not the refs.
In regards to diving, why can't fouls be called on multiple players? When a player is fouled and he flops and fakes an injury, give his team a free kick but give him a yellow card for diving.
14 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:07:22
I'd agree with (2) and also goal line technology. I like the idea of a penalty goal.
The thing with the imaginary card waving is maddening, but it's so endemic any crackdown would have to come from FIFA and implemented across the planet. That would actually be the easiest thing to do as it doesn't require tech or time stoppages, so can be done at every level of the game.
15 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:29:41
I'd like to see retrospective red cards for spitting at cameramen. Can't believe that obnoxious twat's gotten away with such appalling behaviour.
16 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:36:09
17 Posted 01/07/2010 at 19:03:02
a. To not have video available for goal-scoring is a disgrace. The only reason for the game is to put the ball over the goal line. And the cameras are already in the frame.
How often is there a wrong call on a goal? Not many, right? It won't delay the game. And, as anyone who watches American pro sport will tell you, no fan considers the ref weaker because he's given another tool to do his job best. We're talking about the very central point of the game ffs; to score a goal. Ensuring that's called correctly should be sacrosanct.
b. On questions of a "handball" I think.
2) Agree. Ref has to call them as he sees them. However, if sending off resulted from an opponent flopping down like a gunshot victim (clearly faking), perp gets 5-match suspension. Let's bring all the diving and flopping to an end. Won't be long before managers will be furious with one of their players risking such a suspension.
a. Can't say I agree. What if Manager Cheek has used his 3 subs and wants Player A in to replace Player B? We've introduced a new tactic to get subs 4 or 5 in the game. haven't thought thru this completely, but I'd have to disagree with the yellow card as is.
b. How about introducing instead a penalty like pro hockey does? Don't red card, but send off the pitch for 5 minutes; into the penalty box. His team plays short for that 5 minute period. Might introduce off-setting penalties, where teams are 10-10 for 5 minutes. Why not?
18 Posted 01/07/2010 at 20:29:14
The big problem with the sin bin idea in football is that the short handed team would absolutely, definitely, in (almost) all circumstances look to shut up shop, waste time and kill the game.
19 Posted 01/07/2010 at 21:24:37
There are two distinct types of 'professional' foul which,as things stand, are both punished in the same way i.e. red card and a penalty/free kick. I think the sanctions for each type should be changed as follows:-
1. Handball on the goal line prevents a certain goal. The referee should award a penalty goal, as in rugby, and give a yellow card to the offender.
2. A foul to deny a clear goalscoring opportunity should be punished with a penalty, no matter where the offence takes place and a yellow card given to the offender.
You would still get arguments over what is or isn't a professional foul because this is the opinion of the referee but at least games would not become unbalanced and the offending teams would generally suffer an appropriate punishment.
20 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:44:30
21 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:51:29
22 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:34:27
I think we posted at the same time and i was not responding to you. I am into Rugby Union where the video ref is only used for tries, when the ref needs to be sure. He asks a question, usually. "Is there anything preventing me awarding the try", sometimes a bit more specific, but only relates to the very last bit, near the tryline. If a flag goes up for ball in touch, the flag stays up. there have been times when ref has taken a long time to notice and the play is called back ewven if a try has been "scored".
I did remark that there would be bother if the game played on and a goal at the other end ensued, but was cancelled out, so it would be best if he whistled and checked. Goal, or goal kick as a result.
"Penalty Goal" seems popular on this forum, and someone suggested a penalty be awarded for a run on goal outside the penalty area. Common sense really, but a judgement call.
I haven't seen a comment about citing for "ungentlemanly conduct". The diving and play acting has affected my interest in football. It would be a far better game without it.
Someone mentioned making team 10 per side. I agree with this one. World Cup in USA because of referee directives, had players sent off all over the place. The best games were when it went to 10 a side. A bit more time on the ball and a bit more space in defence. Could even consider 9 per side. 127 years of same size pitch, goals area, but faster ball and bigger, faster, stronger athletes since then.
Players can cover much more of the pitch, so unlikely pitch will get bigger so reduce the players and allow a bit more time for skills. Other sports including rugby, both codes, have tweaked the laws over the years. Not always good, but they keep trying, and they are not too proud to switch things back again. Why not football? 2010 has been the most boring World Cup, although Brazil are always a joy to watch.
23 Posted 01/07/2010 at 23:02:27
Any player who goes down claiming to have been injured has to leave the pitch and stay off the pitch for a set period of time, say 10 minutes, in order to be properly assessed by a Doctor. Thus any player faking an injury will be depriving their teammates of a player, and giving an advantage to the opposition. In the case of the RS they will probably play most of the game with 8 players.
As far as the sin bin idea goes I totally agree with it. How many times do you see a team shut up shop and then when they need to attack again they struggle to regain their rhythm. Thus passing a definite advantage to the other side.
I think what needs to be remembered with any rules like this is that they would largely be implemented to change player behaviour on the pitch rather than as a long term punishment. If a player knows he will be sin binned for shirt pulling at a corner, then he won't do it. Within a season the problem would probably disappear.
24 Posted 02/07/2010 at 01:58:41
Jo and Elano are Brazilian aren't they? and Robinho?
Ballack German? and technically Hargreaves!
Reina of Spain, and Fabregas?
Just off the top of my head, without having to look up any teams.
25 Posted 02/07/2010 at 05:22:14
26 Posted 02/07/2010 at 07:17:32
got most reaction. Penalty goal plus yellow card seems to me to be a fair ruling here
As for the suggestion about if the penalty is missed the player is sent off , could you imagine our boys getting a penalty in the 5th minute against the RS and Gerrard is the offender...DM shouts from the bench "over the bar Mikel"....brill!
Still think the orange card is a must though .
Now , how do we get Blatters attention?
27 Posted 02/07/2010 at 09:50:27
This would remove a small part of the refs load.
2nd..In heading duels a free kick should be awarded against any player whose arms are above chest height. This would be very easy to police. To claim that raised arms are needed for elevation is a cop out.
3rd. An extra assistant on each touchline. This would allow the ref to patrol up and down the middle of the pitch.
4th. when play is stopped for a head injury the 'injured' player must be off the field for at least 5 minutes.
5th. Refs to have the option of using a sin bin.
28 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:21:55
To me the most annoying cheater is Neuer who gave this account of his actions after the England ? Germany match: "I tried not to react to the referee and just concentrate on what was happening. I realised it was over the line and I think the way I carried on so quickly fooled the referee into thinking it was not over." To put it bluntly: Neuer cheated, and then boasted about it. He deserved at least a one year ban!!
29 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:53:10
Remember the Arsenal Champions League final? Lehman got sent off but the ref should have just played the advantage as Barcelona scored in the move.
30 Posted 02/07/2010 at 12:44:59
31 Posted 02/07/2010 at 15:21:13
32 Posted 02/07/2010 at 17:49:19
33 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:40:18
34 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:57:50
35 Posted 03/07/2010 at 09:27:43
36 Posted 06/07/2010 at 21:43:15
Then the was the backpass rule (How many titles have you won since that then RS?).
I like the ides of:
Goalline cameras, I mean the refs already have the headset ear piece thingy on, JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS IT ACTUALLY FOR?
The penalty goal and yellow card for handball on the line.
The sin bin.
I don't like: The orange card thing, too open to abuse.
Reducing the numbers.
What about... No offside, this would open up the play... Oh yes it would, coaches would not let the goalhanger(s) be unmarked and this would uncompress the midfield,
Two birds, one stone.
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