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I was wondering if anyone had heard anything at all about our new / redeveloped stadium since DK bit the dust all those months ago? As an Evertonian and a fan of stadia architecture, it seems to have gone rather quiet.

I know this thread has been done to death but has anyone got any preferences as to what sort of shape development should take or any thoughts on the style of a new stadium?

Mike Cheshire, Wirral     Posted 09/07/2010 at 11:37:02

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Ray Said
1   Posted 09/07/2010 at 14:55:16

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My preference would be to redevelop Goodison as its our main (maybe the only) tangible asset.

If we could acquire the land to the back of Bullens, which is very realistic, then we could push into the land footprint toward the park end and go for an aysymetric design with a massive Bullen stand and a triple decker Park end stand.

It would be realistic to create a 20,000 Bullen and 15,000+ Park End, which would allow the main stand to lose some space at the ends and have cantilevers installed which removes the restricted views. Just need the money now; ah well... it's nice to dream.

Ste Traverse
2   Posted 09/07/2010 at 16:03:30

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It's all gone quiet because Kenwright and Company haven't the first clue what to next, a fully 8 months after Desperation Kirkby was thankfully thrown out.
David S Shaw
3   Posted 09/07/2010 at 16:08:01

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8 months or so on... and still no-one at Everton involved with Kirkby has been sacked.
Alasdair Mackay
4   Posted 09/07/2010 at 16:46:39

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I agree with Ray.

The land at the back of the Bullens would be a lot cheaper than on any other side of the ground as there are less houses.

This may be a bit radical, but could we not allocate the land at Bellefield for re-housing the people who live in the houses that would have to come down. I know it is not exactly round the corner, but it is a "better" area in terms of land value.
Trevor Skempton
5   Posted 09/07/2010 at 16:35:36

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Ray. What's you've described is [more or less] KEIOC's 'Plan A'. This would be linked into an overall concept for a 'Football Quarter' around Stanley Park, sharing an improved transport and tourism infrastructure with LFC. The new Park End Stand would incorporate a hotel and other facilities. The Gwladys Street Stand would be improved, but conserved [alongside the church and hall] as a historic structure. We know that Everton are now looking at this possibility, as well as at other options.

A phased development of Goodison, in affordable steps as part of a long-term plan, could lead to a final capacity of 55,000, without disruption to the atmosphere during any playing season [most construction work being behind the existing structures]. The aim is to combine a unique historic venue, at the heart of its traditional community, with all the modern facilities necessary to sustain a club in Europe's top flight.

Gavin Ramejkis
6   Posted 09/07/2010 at 17:47:34

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Unfortunately with BK in charge we have the ill mix of "potless" and "clueless" in charge. Don't "watch this space" as I suspect sweet FA is happening at the moment or likely to in the near future.

Ray and Alan, the school behind the Bullens is earmarked for closure and the van rental site is rented from LCC. The Park End is screaming out for a second tier as an obvious increase without even moving beyond the current footprint. If anyone has been to Ibrox they could see for their own eyes an Archie Leach classic systematically built upon to cater for modern requirements but retaining key characteristics and elements.
Graham Nixon
7   Posted 09/07/2010 at 18:49:37

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Looks like we'll be staying at GP for at least 5 years. Me brother-in-law has done a deal with Everton to upgrade something to do with the air conditioning units. Nothing about redevelopment mentioned though...
Mike Elbey
8   Posted 09/07/2010 at 20:42:18

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Apparently we had a gentleman's agreement in place for a state-of-the-art stadium in the middle of the City Centre. All we had to do was sign the papers by the end of May but someone forgot!!!!

Oh well, at least they don't make those mistakes with the players....
Ray Said
9   Posted 09/07/2010 at 21:08:08

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Trevor (5)
You are right mate, my preference is based on KEIOC plan because thats much the best option and the easiest-honestly, any chairman with a pair of balls could get approval and funding for a such phased improvement in a second.

Gavin (6) both the previous and current leaders of LCC have already said they would lease the van rental land to EFC and the Park End could support a triple decker stand with the loss of the car park. You make a really good point about Ibrox and if Rangers can do it why cant we?
Dennis Stevens
10   Posted 09/07/2010 at 21:17:34

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To somebody such as myself, who only has a superficial view of these matters & doesn't appreciate what really goes on at Board level, it's easy to gain the impression that we've wasted many years that could have been devoted to an ongoing phased redevelopment of Goodison Park due to the Board's preference for an easier "quick-fix" solution that they seem equally incapable of delivering.

I'm not from Liverpool, but it seems quite apalling to me that it's quite possible that England may succeed in their bid to host the World Cup finals & consider that neither ground in the city is suitable as a venue.

Steve Pugh
11   Posted 09/07/2010 at 21:54:06

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Dennis, haven't you worked it out yet? If England get the World Cup, the FA will finance the building of a new super stadium on Stanley Park, and then donate it to Liverpool Football Club.
Dick Fearon
12   Posted 09/07/2010 at 21:49:08

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Ste T (2) says Kenwright and Co haven't a first clue as to what to do next. I would be interested to know what clues Ste can offer.
Dennis Stevens
13   Posted 09/07/2010 at 22:48:05

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Steve, although you may well be right & Liverpool get "lucky" yet again, it only serves to emphasise the point I was making ? the city of Liverpool would have some justification in claiming to be England's football capital & yet these two great clubs can't offer a stadium worthy of hosting World Cup matches between them.

Dick, here's a clue: any member's of our Board that don't have the will or ability to help move the club forward should be looking at finding a way out & hopefully some fresh ideas & drive may come in with new Board members.
Ste Traverse
14   Posted 10/07/2010 at 01:10:42

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Dick. I'm not on the board so what could I do? Kenwright has had over a decade to sort this out, and failed.

I personally would like to see a phased re-development of Goodison, but this is unlikely with Elstone saying recently the club want some kind of retail-led facilty, this possibly points to the influence of Green again.
Jay Harris
15   Posted 10/07/2010 at 05:01:50

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Having wasted a number of years and £4 million on Destination Kirkby, Kenwright is still looking 24/7 for somebody to give him a virtually free stadium and £200 million for the club or a sizeable investment with no security.

Watch this space!!!
Chris Butler
16   Posted 10/07/2010 at 13:36:05

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We need to leave GP, it's in an awful location.
Tom Hughes
17   Posted 10/07/2010 at 17:55:06

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Could be much worse..... Kirkby was a ridiculous location. Just ask the transport planners who spent thousands repeatedly trying and failing to show how 50,000, let alone 55,000 promised could access and leave the site in the recommended time frames. GP mysteriously satisfies all the same criteria comfortably.
Gavin Ramejkis
18   Posted 10/07/2010 at 18:15:39

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In echoing and expanding on Tom's response to Chris, if the area is so shocking why didn't the RS think of moving too? The transport capabilities of the location tick all the boxes and have decades of proof behind them. The surrounding houses weren't there when she was built and can change given a regeneration of the area. For an example of such, years ago when I was a little boy and growing up I used to wonder at the burned out and delapidated terrace on Seymour Street and wondered for decades why no one had bought them, take a look at them now.

Any area can be regenerated like that given the chance. Why not Walton and all around Stanley Park given the RS will at some point, spawn that they are, build a new stadium.
Tony Kelly
19   Posted 10/07/2010 at 20:02:20

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Chris Butler, how is Goodison in an awful location? It has got great transport links, easy to get to from all parts of the country, what in your opinion is a great location? A site on a retail park outside the city centre, with a 2-mile exclusion zone for traffic, meaning park and ride or more probably Shanks's Pony. Oh I forgot, Kirkby got binned.
Mike Allison
20   Posted 11/07/2010 at 22:52:06

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Any new stadium must have character, unique detail. The very worst thing about Kirkby was the stadium itself, an ugly, off-the-shelf job. My two suggestions, though I could probably think of more, are a church in one corner and a huge replica of Prince Rupert's Tower on the main facade.

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