Tonight, Sky Sports News are reporting that Roberto Mancini is trying to sign Landon Donovan.
Will this force David Moyes to show his hand or can we simply not afford him?
Either way, bloody Citeh trying to create a like-for-like Everton FC.
Dave Southon, Posted 21/07/2010 at 20:51:31
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1 Posted 21/07/2010 at 21:39:37
In that sense, he's probably shown his own hand... and we already know that we don't really have a pot to piss in after wages have been paid.
2 Posted 21/07/2010 at 21:44:40
Does however raise the question why didn't Sheik what's-his-face simply buy us in the first place instead of getting their stadium and then going after our team.....
3 Posted 21/07/2010 at 21:33:39
The fact we can't find any money from anywhere this summer shows what a shambles our club is financially. We've not even managed to find enough money to keep our 2 best players tied down.
Kenwright has survived purely because a lot of other clubs have fallen on their arse, not by his own good management. The cock-up with Gosling demonstrates how inept Everton's management are and Moyes will be left to paper over Kenwright's cracks once again.
4 Posted 21/07/2010 at 21:45:57
Isn't David Silva a right winger?
5 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:12:56
The reason he has had another go at Kenwright is that he's still at least two good players short for this season ? centre-half and left-back. I'm sure he would also want Donovan back but I suspect he's not a priority over the defenders. The problem for Moyes & Kenwright is that Donovan was such a success both on and off the pitch and he himself nailed his colours to Everton and the fans and none of us want to see Moneybags City pinching him from under our noses.
6 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:25:29
But it's beginning to look like all the Premier League is skint apart from Citteh, with Ferguson stating that he's happy with his squad, and Woy so far only getting in a freebie (albeit a great feebie).
7 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:18:04
Christine and Gents,< LD's going where LD says he's going. This means staying at Galaxy or changing into his new home uniform at Goodison.
8 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:29:20
Unfortunately Everton (the business) are still operated like a local corner shop rather than a Worldwide recognised brand and have still to capitalise on the merchandising opportunities offered up by Cahill, Pienaar, Lie Tie, Yobo, Yak, Bily, etc, etc. All captains or influential players of their respective countries.
Until something massively changes in the running of our club (I don't advocate becoming a Utd or City as they are everything that is wrong with our game in certain respects but we are not competing with them from a marketing perspective) then we will not be able to afford the signings that we want.
We really need a worldwide business player like Sir Terry Leahy or similar to take us to the next level as much as the longed for "investor" that everyone continues to cry out for. I would be interested to see what his "advisor" role to the current Board actually involves.
9 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:38:52
We will end up as scavengers scrapping over the left overs with the 'lowerarchy'.
10 Posted 21/07/2010 at 22:54:02
11 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:04:38
In all this depressing transfer news, I've been wondering about Evertonians' responses to future bad news:
1. If Arteta goes, will he get as much stick as Peanuts got when there was only speculation about him moving. Arteta seems to have a charmed life with fans, but if he walks after us paying his medical bills, I think that would be a bit rich.
2. If Landon goes to City, what kind of reception will he get at Goodison?
12 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:00:50
Apparently they 'understood' yesterday that Inter, led by the FSW, were in for Pienaar.
Until something concrete actually happens, I wouldn't believe diddly squat what they say; they are just trying to be first with any possible story.
City are now seemingly buying so many players that they will be fielding two teams in the PL.
13 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:11:14
If, if, if.
Don't panic over mere speculation.
14 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:09:14
Our season potential is down to two players: Arteta & Pienaar. We can only hope TC has done a job on Arteta and persuaded him to stick with us. As for Pienaar, the only remaining question appears to be do we sell him now or let him run his contract down and get a big signing on fee.
Donovan would be icing on cake. If Pienaar's mood is negative & uncompromising then we'd have to sell and, HOPEFULLY, use that money to get Donovan. It sounds like we're moving the earth to keep Arteta, and so we should. He's a god.
15 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:16:41
I'll only add (for the umpteenth time), he'll move only after MLS season ends. He plays for a franchise with aspirations, in a great soccer city in SoCal, playing for a great manager. Him going anywhere in this transfer window is not happening.
He stays in Galaxy colors or exchanges them for EFC's this Winter. That's that.
16 Posted 21/07/2010 at 23:33:28
17 Posted 22/07/2010 at 00:25:57
Some facts to consider:
If Shiteh are in for anyone then they will usually get them cos they pay more money thabn anyone else in terms of transfer fees and wages. Imagine Everton offer £8M then Shiteh come in with a £12M bid. Assuming Even if Everton could actually match whatever City were prepared to pay, then if you were Donovan and Moyes says we can only offer you £40k per week as we have a wage structure but City say Landon you can have £90k per week then you'd sign for Citeh,
Just saw Mancini on SSN saying he is interested in Donovan, so it isn't all speculation.
On the issue of Arteta and Pienaar, I am sure that they have been offered deals but the players are stalling seeing what is on offer elsewhere. In terms of the two of them, if Mikel moves to Spain then I say fair enough given his son's condition. If he moves in the Prem then it is all about money.
Finally, Gosling is exactly as his name suggests, a gosling... and we aren't exactly goosed now he has left!!
18 Posted 22/07/2010 at 01:00:26
As for City, their strategy appears to be simply to stockpile talent without putting any thought into shaping an actual, coherent team. How many players have they got on the books now? They sign them on long term, highly lucrative contracts and then wonder why none of those surplus to requirements are willing to leave when the club decides they want rid.
19 Posted 22/07/2010 at 02:12:56
1. Galaxy til MLS season ends.
2. If leaving Galaxy? To EFC in Winter X-fer window. Jesus!
Let's focus on how Moyes intends to deploy the abundance of talent he's finally accumulated without a a pacy right winger. No EPL team is stacked north, south, east, and west. (And what if Drogba runs out of steroids> Whoops! I mean he goes off his "Fitness Program")? What's Chelsea without Didier scoring goals? Come right back to the the pack, no?
LD will be along mid-season. It's the first PL 19 games we should focus on.
20 Posted 22/07/2010 at 05:02:19
Also, this was City/Mancini talking to an American public (something that they want to sell the City brand to); he'd be foolish if he said he wouldn't be interested the golden boy of US football.
Lastly Donovan comes across as a person with some integrity, something surprising in today's game. I watched a really good documentary about him before the World Cup. He seemed that he generally had a passion for the game and wasn't just in it for the money. He's been burnt before in his big moves to Germany. I can't see him risking this again with a move to City.
21 Posted 22/07/2010 at 06:24:34
22 Posted 22/07/2010 at 06:51:55
He was in the form of his life when he came to us, prepping for a World Cup, etc etc... His longer term history in Europe is much more spotty. Good addition? ... Yes! World beater? ...No!
I like his attitude towards EFC, but if he goes to Shiteh... not to worried tbh.
23 Posted 22/07/2010 at 07:14:43
I hope that they don't try and sign Landon Donovan ? for obvious reasons. However, let's console ourselves with some facts of football life that even the mega rich City have to consider:
1) You can only put out a maximum of 11 players ? how are they going to keep everyone happy?
2) Yes, they can offer more money than anyone else ? but sooner or later being a bench warmer gets most players down.
Scott Parker was talked about as a future England international when he moved to Chelsea. A couple of seasons of being a bit part player put paid to those ambitions and he on his way to rebuild his career. The same with Steve Sidwell, who left Chelsea after only one season. What about the so called dream return of Wright-Phillips ? I wonder how long he will remain at Eastlands...
3) The Real Madrid model of assembling a team of Galicticos ? has it worked for them? Not really, has it? It seems they are intent on following the same path ? it doesn't automatically follow that they will win trophies.
I hope that Landon Donovan eventually comes to Goodison, I think he would be a great signing. For City, I think he would be just a bit-part player. Hopefully he will realise this.
As a brief digression, I saw on the BBC website that the Mexiacan left back Carlos Salcido is a possible target for Wigan. He looked very good at the World Cup and given that he can also play Centre Back, he would be a good signing for us.
Come the end of the transfer window, it would be interesting to compare Man City's spending with that of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd. We may not have a massive transfer budget, to put it mildly, but it seems everyone, even Chelsea and Manchester United, are having to "balance" the books these days.
24 Posted 22/07/2010 at 07:31:58
David Gonzales, Boyata, Boateng, Garrida, Kolo Toure, Zabbayetta, Silva, Viera, Yaya Toure, De Jong, Kompany, Weiss, Adebayor, Caciedo, Robinho, Tevez and Santa Cruz.
All of these must be expecting first team football, and yet at least one of them will not be in the named squad. Every time Mancini is linked with another foreign player these guys must be looking around wondering who is going to miss out. Not a good way to build a happy dressing room.
25 Posted 22/07/2010 at 09:01:22
Don't get me wrong ? I love Landon in the blue shirt and think he would help us to really go for it this season, but at best he will play this full MLS season, join us on loan in January, and hopefully at that time we can arrange a deal.
How about £2m a year payment to Galaxy over 4/5 years (kind of like a loan) and he returns to them at the end of an agreed period? Means we get him full time, but he is still contracted to MLS for franchise obligations and heads back to Galaxy at a time where all parties are happy.
26 Posted 22/07/2010 at 09:30:59
Donovan is a perfect Moyes player ? hard working, versatile, skillful with an eye for goal. Moyes would absolutely love to sign him. The fact Kenwright can't find any money from anywhere is a joke. The marketing potential of Donovan would easily see us recoup the transfer fee.
It's so short sighted and Kenwright gets off scott-free because every other club are crying poverty too (even though they've still found more money than us to spend this summer).
27 Posted 22/07/2010 at 09:31:40
Kevin Hudson (#4) ? I agree 100% with what you have suggested as the reason why the trash with cash would want Donovan. He would rarely get a game yet the potential to use Landon as a marketing tool to them in the US would be massive. It begs the question why EFC haven't seen this potentially lucrative connection and thus gone that extra mile to sign him up as currently he is the "Beckham" of US football.
However, I get the impression that Landon has got something of substance between his ears and would see this scenario for himself and thus avoid it like the plague. He seems like a loyal type of person to me so maybe he already has it in his mind that he will come back to us in January for another 12-week stunt.
28 Posted 22/07/2010 at 09:47:38
1. If he is not for sale, we cannot buy him.
2. If we have no money, we can't buy him.
3. If he doesn't want to leave MLS, we can't buy him.
Just because you think we should have bought him does not mean that is possible.
Are you assuming that because City have expressed an interest that he will go there?
I find it very amusing that people see Donovan as a City player already because they get every player they want because they have the money. At the same time, people see Arteta as possibly going to City, despite the fact that it is Milner they want and Mikki is only a fallback option. Surely if City get every player that they want, they won't be chasing Arteta.
29 Posted 22/07/2010 at 10:42:48
But, another thing about Moyes: he has systematically accumulated a strong squad over a few years by creating wealth for the club. We have no money, but generally, he has bought players, and a after a few years sold them on for more money.
The sale of Lescott may have been unwanted, but it effectively means we have brought in Distin, Heitinga, and Bily for just £5 million (the Lescott acquisition). That is wealth creation for Everton. That is the only way we have accumulated such a good squad. We buy, sell on for more dosh, use that to get better players. I would expect this to continue.
For me, that means that we could conceivably get Landon for nothing. I mean, we sell Pienaar (who evidently wants out) for say £12M, making a a £10M profit), and use the money or slighlty less to get Donovan. Effectively, we will have spent nothing but wages for three years of Pienaar followed by four of Donovan.
I've said it before, but I repeat: Landon on a four-year deal makes a million times more sense than Pienaar on a one-year deal. That is what we currently have.
And Steve, who says Landon's not for sale? Are you really that naive that you believe what an owner says? This is football FFS.
30 Posted 22/07/2010 at 11:16:56
Are you really so naive as to think that all businesses are run as shoddily as English football?
31 Posted 22/07/2010 at 11:10:30
About a month ago, I was told by the proverbial 'solid gold' source that Pienaar was going to Spurs and that it was a done deal, and was told why how much etc. The person who told me I know really well, and is close to an insider at the club, who usually keeps his cards close to his chest, but let it slip.
And since then.... nothing. Therefore I've come to the conclusion that most of the 'exclusives' is kite flying and jockeying for postion, by the agents and the clubs, and we all should take no notice whatsoever until they appear in front of the cameras with the shirt, coming out with the usual bollcks along the lines of "When I was growing up on the foothills of the Andes, it was always my dream to play for Blackburn Rovers"
32 Posted 22/07/2010 at 11:26:29
1) Man City buy him for £18 million, which is far more than Everton could have ever afforded; good luck to the lad, and fair play to City... there'll be no hard feelings from me.
2) Man City buy him for £7 million. Despite a late bid from Everton of £5.5 million Donovan signs for the Sky blues. At the press conference he says it was a "tough call but Everton had their chance and never really made a commitment, City really impressed me etc etc trophies etc etc... building a bright future... blah blah". Every ToffeeWeb user instantly logs on to vent their spleen...
33 Posted 22/07/2010 at 11:42:55
Moyes has said this is his best squad since 2002; come August I think he may have to retract that statement because, if he loses either of his playmakers, he will have no time whatsoever to purchase anyone in time to bed them in, or he will make a couple of panic purchases.
As for City's 25-man squad and the headache that will cause, I would rather that, than scratching around Europe looking for promising prospects.
34 Posted 22/07/2010 at 11:26:50
If Moyes has no money to spend then I would sell Yobo, Anichebe and I hate to say it but Vaughan as well. I just don't think Vaughan's going to get much of a chance so I would give him the opportunity to carve out a decent career at another club. Anichebe is looking ok on the right but it's only a matter of time before he is replaced with a natural right winger so that will leave him surplus to requirements as the kinds of players that Moyes is going for are of a higher quality.
Yobo is a good player on his day but is prone to making mistakes and we have enough cover in that position. I don't know if these players would generate enough money to buy Donovan but I don't think they will be missed to much if they were sold.
35 Posted 22/07/2010 at 12:09:11
I think with Moyes's comments this summer about this being his strongest squad yet, he doesn't not want to sell anyone. Also what's the point in selling players who are achieving their potential to buy players who have potential ? only to have to sell them when they reach the same point of acheiving their potential?
Steve, "if we have no money we can't buy him". That is my point! The fact we are skint shows we are badly run. The fact we have to sell our best players to provide money for Moyes to 'strengthen' to me shows we are badly run. Quite how anyone can say we are a well run club (especially after the Gosling fiasco) is beyond me.
36 Posted 22/07/2010 at 13:11:39
37 Posted 22/07/2010 at 14:09:05
If ANYONE employed by a normal company allowed an 'asset' to be lost in this way, he would be kicked out!!
We are woefully mismanaged at the top... I don't blame DM but he must be really annoyed at losing a possible few million towards being able to sign someone who MIGHT make the grade.
At the start of every season, we are in utter chaos with either a mini squad compared to other sides or not tieing up contract deals. A couple of seasons ago we had an absolute creche on the bench at the start of a Premier League season. It's brinkmanship every year.... but then, we are EFC?!?
38 Posted 22/07/2010 at 15:10:59
Are you really so naive as to think that all businesses are run as shoddily as English football?"
Irrelevant, this is football. Lots of media attention, lots of rubbish spoken. Deals are still made.
And how is the MLS run better than the English Prem? For all its faults (debt-ridden clubs, narrow comepetition), it is a mega-success.
Donovan wants Europe. He'll get it. If not by end of August, defo by the end of this year.
39 Posted 22/07/2010 at 15:14:15
There are two possible outcomes here, and both are Man City?
What do you KNOW that we don't?
There a many possibilities here. He stays in LA. He goes to City, he goes to Everton, he goes to Arsenal, he goes to Villa ? after Milner is out; and many more.
All these stories have come from Mancini answering a question in the affimative.
-Are you interested and could you buy Donovan?
He answered - he is a good player, so it is possible.
That means he is defo going to City????
Football transfer rumours are ten a penny at htis time of year. It is what journos call the "silly season". The main areas of reporting in the UK are: football (there are no competitions on at the mo). Politics (summer recess of Parliament started this week).
They have naff all to write about. That is why Big yawn Brother makes so many headlines in the tabs. And why such an inocuous, barely-commital answer makes headlines round the world.
Of course, going to City would interest Donovan. Money, chance of trophies etc. But the idea that has become set in stone is barmy.
I trust Everton are still trying to do a deal. Pienaar will go, and even Arteta is looking to be on shaky ground, at least for more than year. Competition in midfield is required at Everton, we do not have enough players there. And we need dedicated players.
40 Posted 22/07/2010 at 16:25:06
41 Posted 22/07/2010 at 19:25:52
That's it. Everything else is complete bollox.
42 Posted 22/07/2010 at 22:31:31
You sure about that? Arteta, Fellaini, Rodwell, Cahill, Bilyaletdinov, Pienaar, Osman, Heitinga, Neville, Anichebe (whom it appears will be used on the right side of midfield from now on). Surely the midfield is the most oversubscribed area of our squad. Just a shame none of them are genuine wide players.
43 Posted 22/07/2010 at 23:54:35
You're right to a point Roberto in that selling a prized asset helps with squad building. However, you need to keep hold of your squad to create the stability in order to progress. You'd have some trouble convincing Moyes and most Evertonians that selling Pienaar, Arteta and Jagielka would help with wealth generation and therfore further strengthen our squad.
I don't propose we sell either Jags or Arteta. And you are right stability should also be part of the mix. But I fundamentally disagree that keeping Pienaar should be part of this. One year left and no new contract simply does not reflect stability.
Lose the one year we have on Pienaar, and gain four of Donovan. No money lost (extremely important for a Club that does not have it). I see no sense keeping someone for a year, who could bring in £12-24 million. no brainer for me.
I do not see Neville or Heitinger as midfielders. So that is seven including Anichebe. For a team that plays 4-5-1, no I don't think it's enough.
Btw, I have no idea whether Gueye, Beckford, Silva are gonna be frontline forwards this year, but heck, we could have more strikers than midfielders on 4-5-1... nuts!!!
If Moyesie trusts them, I could see a striker going to bring in another midfielder. Just one more midfielder, not including Donovan. Due to our finances, my bet (I repeat) would be sell Pienaar to get 4 years of Donovan. Then another midfielder for squad depth.
44 Posted 23/07/2010 at 11:25:02
Except the both of them have played there quite often for us. So Moyes obviously sees them as such. That's the point of having versatile players. While there is no real substitute to quality specialised players, players who can play a number of roles are valuable in a small squad and in a team with little cash.
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