Couldn't happen to a nicer greedier money-grabbing git. You should have stayed with the proper blues and become a legend, rather than dash for the cash.
Andrew McGreavy, Posted 25/07/2010 at 12:29:05
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1 Posted 25/07/2010 at 16:28:33
2 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:01:13
3 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:00:02
As for betraying Everton, well we were happy enough to entice him away from Wolves for the chance to earn more and play for a higher profile club, so who are we to knock him for continuing in the same vein? I have a different opinion of others like Rooney and Jeffers who come through the youth team and make a show of their blue heritage and then turn their back on the club at the first opportunity.
Lescott did well while he was here and we made a fortune off him and frankly, if City offered him at a knock down $8million or so, I'd happily bring him back.
4 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:05:19
If he had a couple of good seasons, what's to say he wouldn't do the same again?
5 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:06:28
6 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:06:17
If he's not wanted then he has two options: either stay at City for the remainder of his 4-year contract; or move on.
You may see a makeweight deal with Villa for Milner, however, again it comes down to wages; I can't see Villa paying £90k+ per week....
What a dilemma, Joleon!!
7 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:15:23
But there are some pretty juicy plums among City's other leftovers... they have to offload 12 players, 13 if they sign Milner.
According to ESPN Soccernet, the list includes Roque Santa Cruz, Craig Bellamy, Felipe Caicedo, Micah Richards, Michael Johnson, Vincent Kompany, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Stephen Ireland, Nigel De Jong, Kelvin Etuhu, Pablo Zabaleta and Nedum Onuoha.
So what do you think, guys? If they're available on the cheap, who would you like to see us pick up? Personally, I think SWP on the right flank would be terrific.
8 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:19:09
As regards signing Lescott ? could we afford his salary?
9 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:19:35
We still couldn't afford the transfer fee or wages, and we simply don't want him back. Good riddance.
10 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:19:50
11 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:22:58
12 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:18:42
But surely the atmosphere on the training ground would be shit (in the unlikely event he did return). It was such a massive shame to loose him though, A very decent centre half or left back who you are guaranteed goals from. He would complete our defensive squad in my opinion (as we need back-up for Baines).
But I don't think I would have him back at any price. The whole manner of the way he left was unacceptable.
13 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:23:54
14 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:29:38
Looking at the squad we have to choose from... I think we will have the capacity to potentially field two teams, and really should be winning silverware in the coming season. We have or will have a very good player in every position and also competition for that position too.
Predicting that we definitely sign Milner, my formation would be 4-2-3-1
Player competing in each postion:-
(CB) K Toure/Lescott
(DM) Y Toure/Barry
(DM) De Jong/Veira
(RM) A Johnson/SWP
That's 22 plus the following including 8 other Squad Members:
Taylor, Bellamy, Boyata, Weiss, Ibrahim, Cunningham, Vidal, Etuhu.
30 man squad of which 9 qualify in the homegrown ruling
Ireland, Onuoha, Garrido, M Johnson, Bojinov, Caicedo, Jo.
Unlimited under 21's are allowed too, hence value of 19-year-old Balotelli and others.
15 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:35:01
The guy was on SSN today discussing the upcoming season, and didn't come across as someone expecting to leave the club.
16 Posted 25/07/2010 at 17:59:44
Sadly, Lescott's head got too big and he thought he was that star player. I can hear his comments that he was going to City to win things and money was not a factor... what a load of shit. He was greedy and medals had nothing to do with his leaving. I imagine that every Everton fan must be thrilled and Moyes over the moon by getting £24 mil for a piece of shit.
I wonder how much City will get for such a talented and sucessful player like him? Bids starting at £250,000
17 Posted 25/07/2010 at 18:15:16
However, Kieran Kinsella made a very salient point in that we did to Wolves, what Citteh did to us. On reflection it is slightly hypocritical of us to whine about our predicament... but I digress. No, I wouldn't have him back, purely for monetary reasons, we couldn't afford the transfer fee but he would be a good (re)addition.
If I were to have my choice of the Citteh rejects, it would be: Craig Bellamy, SWP, Ireland, Onuoha, Richards/Zabaleta. I think they all would add to the squad and possibly sort out our right hand side completely.
On a slightly different point, what are people's thoughts on a possible reuniting of Jags, Lescott and Baines for England? With a possible right back of Richards or Johnson (provided Richards can sort his head)? I would like to hear people's opinions on that.
18 Posted 25/07/2010 at 18:31:40
It's laughable some of the comments about how all the mighty teams like City, Villa and Tottenham are so superior than us with all the money they have spent but let's cheer up because we all know that half of our team would walk into their team anyday. Arteta is better than any central midfielder any of these teams have. I can't help but feel we are written off too easily by some, judge us when we have a fully fit team ? let's hope that's this season.
19 Posted 25/07/2010 at 18:39:12
And wouldn't SWP solve the speedy RM problem?
Bellamy is great, but aging and I hate watching him. I certainly don't know the guy from Adam but he seems to be a real jerk sometimes.
I'd kill to get Ireland and SWP. We'd be literally stacked. But we'll be outbid. Until I see anything official I won't even pay attention to the rumors that are sure to be flying around...
Lescott can take the first train to Hell for all I care.
20 Posted 25/07/2010 at 18:57:28
We´ve moved on. Don´t need him.
SWP a joke. Very poor first touch. How did he make it to the World Cup?
21 Posted 25/07/2010 at 18:57:35
On the same day, another major national paper featured a 'report' suggesting that ManU had lost patience with Berbatov and had decided to listen to offers and that several clubs had shown interest.
Now, in the weird and wonderful world of football there may well be circumstances within which both could be right.....but it's bloody doubtful this was one of those cases!
Most of what comes out in the press is made up by journalists or 'leaked' by agents with their own agenda and while some snippets will inevitably turn out to have substance I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to sort out which is which.
When it happens, it happens... and I will celebrate or worry when it does. Until then I will wait and see what happens.
Roll on the end of August... until January when all the speculation will start all over again!
22 Posted 25/07/2010 at 19:12:51
Although you are right in your assertion that City are in no-way as successful as us (or Villa or Spurs), you have to put modern-day football into perspective. Indeed we are the fourth 'biggest' club in the country in terms of overall success; however, in monetary terms (and this is what helps when looking for success nowadays) we are relative minnows in the top flight.
"WE ARE EVERTON".... it feels great saying it doesn't it? However, you cannot always expect an employee to 'get' the history or nostalgia of an institution just because they receive wages to do a job, it just doesn't work like that. In truth, all we can do is hope that our players do (and we do get them from time to time) but it's success and achievement that will cause a player to go from an employee to a supporter and in this area we haven't supplied the goods for too long a time.
Truth is, Manchester City will more than likely win the title before us (despite what my blue tinted specs tell me about this coming season) and it's because they can buy it. This is a bitter pill to swallow but one we should do all the same, and instead of moaning about we should hold our heads high and declare...."WE ARE EVERTON"... "NOW FUCK OFF AND TRY BUY A HISTORY LIKE OURS!"
23 Posted 25/07/2010 at 19:30:46
What I can't understand is how the likes of Wolves are now outspending us. If we hadn't blown £9.5 million on the slowest footballer in history (Bily), Donovan would be here. I am a Moyes fan, but he doesn't get it right all the time.
24 Posted 25/07/2010 at 19:32:00
The difference between Chelski & Citteh, is that Chelsea were there or thereabouts before Roman the Crook took over, City are effectively starting from scratch, and it may take them years to find the best team. Sometimes you can have too much money...
25 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:19:19
26 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:21:19
Secondly, Everton had a nightmare summer last year and Manchester City were in all the papers; many, including me, thought they'd finish far higher than they finished. Should Lescott have acted in a better manner? Yes... but it's no different to the frustration Evertonians felt when LA Galaxy prevented Donovan from leaving. He naturally was less than happy so did what most footballers do: sulk.
I'd take him back anyday for the progression of Everton Football Club overides any thoughts of bitterness I may have.
27 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:26:38
28 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:36:02
As for Lescott, there is no way in the world he would be welcomed back to Goodison by David Moyes, who seemed to take the events of last pre-season very personally. Then you've got the fact we've got no money and could never afford his transfer fee or wages.
However, those who say he would not get in this Everton side are kidding themselves. Lescott and Jagielka were the best central defensive pairing we've had in years and he also had a very valuable habit of popping up with important goals for us. If he were still here he'd be a definite starter.
29 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:49:14
30 Posted 25/07/2010 at 20:52:05
31 Posted 25/07/2010 at 21:24:49
Obviously, Everton can't afford much but Michael Johnson didn't even start a Premier League game last season and will be even further down the pecking order now. Johnson was probably their best player a couple of seasons ago under Eriksson before injury and then their latest fad, Stephen Ireland who could also be out of the door. Ireland is likely to be out of our price range (not a lot!) but possibly Johnson could be added.
32 Posted 25/07/2010 at 21:21:02
33 Posted 25/07/2010 at 22:07:10
34 Posted 25/07/2010 at 21:58:19
I wouldn't touch Ireland with bargepole. As soon as things aren't going perfectly for him, he'll be off to visit his two grannies again.
35 Posted 25/07/2010 at 22:17:11
He took the 30 pieces of silver so there is no coming back.
36 Posted 25/07/2010 at 21:25:04
On the subject of Lescott, if he wanted to come back to us and agreed to the kind of wages that Everton could pay, then I would have him back. I would sell Distin and Yobo and have Lescott, Heitinga, Jagielka and Duffy battling it out for the centre-back positions with Hibbert as back-up.
I don't understand why a lot of us Blues have any kind of bad feeling towards Lescott. When he played for us, he gave his all, had a good rapport with the fans and, let's be honest, most of us would have done the same given the opportunity. Double your wages and play for a club that want silverware now and have the means to buy the best players to get it... or a club that has to sell players to buy new ones and will increase your wages to half of what you could earn.
Some might say he is greedy and maybe he is but is that not what we all do in life? Strive for better pay with more rewards and, if we get the chance, take it. If I felt that he shafted us, I would be the first to say he should never come back... but I don't and I felt at the time that Everton wanted the money.The words from the club were 'Lescott is not for sale' and I'm pretty sure that's what Moyes wanted and would've happened if Moyes had had his way.
Whenever anyone asked me at the time if Lescott was going to be sold, I would reply, "Yes... but at the last minute so we can't buy anyone else." This wasn't because I thought Man City didn't want us to buy any players but, believe it or not, I actually thought Kenwright wanted to keep back most of it, if not all.
It turns out that I was wrong about spending the money but I don't trust the chairman and anything that comes out of his mouth. I'm only interested in what makes Everton stronger; getting rid of the weak links in Yobo and Distin and having Lescott in the squad would be just that... and you have to admit, Lescott and Jagielka were a formidable partnership.
37 Posted 25/07/2010 at 22:30:26
For City, they will discover how hard it will be to offload many of their ridiculously overpaid 'stars', not just now but for ever more. Just imagaine if Yaya Toure doesn't work out.... no other Club will pay £200k a week even if they got him on a free transfer. If they want to sell Lescott they'll find nobody prepared to offer him £100k a week like now.
The players will be faced with either not playing and picking up their money ? good for their bank balance, but not their career ? or taking a massive pay cut to gain regular action.
As for Lescott, he was by and large a superb player for us. If we could get him back for about £8m on the same wages as he was on before then why not? We are short on the left side of defence, only Baines or Distin are left footed and a long term injury to either would cause us problems, especially if it was Baines. For all those letting emotion get in the way, who is to say that Heitinga or Jagielka will not also do a Lescott at some point as well?
I reckon though that he'll end up at Spurs if he leaves. Bellamy has been a nailed on certainty to go there for months as well.
Of the others mentioned, I don't like SWP's arrogant attitude and his £100k a week wage demands ? just another Ashley Cole like pig in the trough saying £70k a week is not enough! Onuaha and Ireland would be useful although we have a lot of cover in those positions at least for now. In fact, I like the squad we have and can see very few players at City apart from Tevez who I think would add anything to what we already have.
38 Posted 25/07/2010 at 23:14:59
Do you really believe Jagielka is any more loyal? If Arsenal keep increasing the fee, we will snap their hand off and I doubt it will get to £24M before we relent.
As committed as he appears to be, he is a professional and will take the money. Plus I don?t think he is as good as many Evertonians claim. True, 100% effort in every game but in my opinion a limited footballer. Too many Blues appear to get endeavour confused with ability.
39 Posted 26/07/2010 at 03:23:35
40 Posted 26/07/2010 at 03:51:10
41 Posted 26/07/2010 at 04:07:00
Nah, but it was a good goal. COYB
42 Posted 26/07/2010 at 04:29:18
43 Posted 26/07/2010 at 05:10:12
From Lescott's point of view, if you consider that he had what some viewed as a career-threatening injury at Wolves, you can't blame him for taking the opportunity to set himself up for life by taking the City money.
I think we ultimately did well out of it except for the damage it did to morale early on last season.
But I mean, WTF, he was on a £10 million contract at Everton. Can you stop apeing all that "set himself up for life" crap. If £10 million does not set you up for life, the rest of us may as well give up.
44 Posted 26/07/2010 at 08:03:04
With the rumour of them sniffing round Arteta, do you think that this is something that would cross his mind? I know that many players today are only bothered about their bank accounts, but there are still many that have a love for the game. I can't see many players that would be to happy to not have a chance to be part of the first team as they didn't make the squad of 25.
Luckily for us with our small squad we won't have an issue with this, but I read somewhere that the R's had over 50 players on their books. Goodluck Roy in trimming that down.
45 Posted 26/07/2010 at 08:53:11
46 Posted 26/07/2010 at 10:28:51
47 Posted 26/07/2010 at 10:30:08
If we can nab him on loan for a season then it would be a superb signing. Who cares about "loyalty", all that matters to me is Everton winning games. If any morons want to boo him while he's playing for us that's up to them, but I won't be.
48 Posted 26/07/2010 at 11:04:02
49 Posted 26/07/2010 at 11:38:11
He really was a great player for us, with a ridiculous knack for scoring goals. But it never really works out when we re-sign past players; Jeffers, Gravesen, Ferguson etc all spring to mind ? not to mention Howard Kendall's ill-fated returns. So I'd opt out on this one, as many have already said, I doubt we could afford his wages, let alone the fee.
Oh and Jamie (#19) regarding Bellamy, the guy's reputation really does precede him, everyone thinks he's a jerk ? funny thing is that he is one of the few Prem players to actually use his money for good. The guy has a massive football development education charity campaign in Sierra Leone for all the kids in that war-torn ravaged area.
50 Posted 26/07/2010 at 13:08:56
51 Posted 26/07/2010 at 14:18:39
The rest of their outcasts are going to be on stupid wages (Ireland, Santa Cruz, SWP, Bellamy) or be kids wanting 1st team action (Onouha, Johnson, Caicedo) - which they wouldn't get here.
52 Posted 26/07/2010 at 14:25:27
53 Posted 26/07/2010 at 14:26:43
54 Posted 26/07/2010 at 17:18:03
If he leaves then it is a backward step.
I don't want him to leave, but would reluctantly understand if he left for say Man Utd or Arsenal, as he would be joining a team with guaranteed Champions League and would also enhance his England prospects in the run up to next years World Cup.
I would also understand him leaving if, for example like Gareth Barry, he had given loyal service to our club for over 10 years and wanted one last big contract.
What I will not accept or understand, is if he leaves us at this stage of his career to join a team who finished well below us in the table and have not qualified for Europe.
If he does leave, then it will inevitably beg the question as to why. The answer can only be for pure financial greed. One thing is for sure, he will not be joining a better club, and he will regret it for ever.
55 Posted 26/07/2010 at 17:23:39
For instance, how much money did they pay for Jo? I would doubt if he had played 20 games for them. It's one thing to have a massive transfer budget ? it's another thing to spend it wisely.
56 Posted 26/07/2010 at 17:32:44
Manchester City are a higher profile than Everton and I think it's stupid to give the age old trophy cabinet argument. Chelsea have won far less than Liverpool have in the past yet if you had a choice between the club's you'd chose Chelsea.
So are you really saying that if a player who plays for let's say Southampton get's the offer to play for Wigan becuase of past glories because they have a more illustrious history? No, of course not.
57 Posted 26/07/2010 at 18:48:34
58 Posted 26/07/2010 at 20:19:40
If we had the money we should get Ireland, Johnson and Onouha (despite what most people in this thread thinks, I still feel we need back-up at the back), because of their age and that they probably have a point to prove considering the lack of chances they have back in city. But we don't have the money, perhaps a loan?
59 Posted 26/07/2010 at 21:30:07
60 Posted 26/07/2010 at 22:08:11
Just goes to show that it was David Moyes that taught him how to defend properly, and he didn't take all of that with him.
61 Posted 27/07/2010 at 00:14:43
62 Posted 27/07/2010 at 03:24:41
Bellamy might give a sizable portion of money for a good cause and I commend the man (as if he gives a shit whether or not I do so). It's the way he conducts himself on the field that really annoys me.
I'd probably backtrack in a heartbeat if he came in and bagged 15 goals and stuck around for 2-3 years contributing to Everton with his superb pace down the wing. I'd say he acted like a brat b/c he's such a competitor and wants to win that badly. He just seems like a spoiled child pitching fits all the time.
I do think it's fantastic he does good with all he has outside the game. But he can do that good wearing another jersey and not represent Everton.
And O'Doherty (34) shows just how silly someone like me can get with all this. I sincerely enjoy watching Stephen Ireland play and I'd love to see him do it in a Blue shirt. But if things got bad who's to say he wouldn't grab a flight at our expense back to Cork b/c his granny passed?
So one guy acts like a jerk on the field and apparently is saint-like off it, but I'd not have him. The other seems fantastic on the field but gets caught in webs of lies off it, and I'd have him in a second.
I dunno.... and I love guys you can not only admire their play but root for them b/c they seem like "good eggs". Guess I'll have "Cahill" printed on the back of my jersey and stop all the Ireland / Bellamy nonsensical thinking....
63 Posted 27/07/2010 at 04:05:39
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