Having just read the thoughts of our chairman Bill Kenwright on the subject of his love for the city and his early childhood, I was astonished to come across this little gem
"Seven or eight times a year, I will get a delegation which will be interested in investing in Everton."
Is it just me, or is anyone else totally surprised by this? The subject of Bill's desire to bring investment in (or totally ignore investors for his own aims ? depending on your point of view) has provoked much TW comment over the years, but I cannot believe that any of us thought that there were delegates approaching Everton with investment in mind every other month!
Why doesn't Bill tell us what happens at these little chats? Doesn't need to give us figures, just tell us why they collapse. Is it money? Is it people looking for too much control for too little cash? Is it perhaps that they want to take the club into an area that Bill is not comfortable with? Why not simply give us a clue?
I was always amazed that investors seemed to be ignoring our club in favour of other clubs with far less potential (as were many TW readers judging by the mailbag), but now I find that by Bill's own admission some 15 or so separate investment groups have been in conversation with us over the last couple of years. What gives?
Tony McDonald, Posted 30/07/2010 at 18:43:47
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1 Posted 31/07/2010 at 00:24:45
You'll get all the conspiracy theorists posting now... I can't wait!!
2 Posted 31/07/2010 at 00:35:50
Has there ever been any genuine criticism in the media of BK's calamitous "efforts" to sell the club? I dont recall seeing any. but the man has many friends...
(paranoid rant over)
3 Posted 31/07/2010 at 00:55:37
4 Posted 31/07/2010 at 00:24:04
He was known as Spoofer because he was a liar.
Not an exaggerator, not a lily-gilder, an out-and-out fantasist.
An inventor of things that simply didn't happen.
And not just things - insane things!
Things that could just not have happened.
He once told me (and others) that he had held a 'black mass' at the Jesuits house (this was SFX about 1974).
He then told us there had been a human sacrifice.
This was TOO much.
We all shouted him down and told him if a body was missing someone would know it was missing (I think someone added "yer fuckin' soft twat!").
What he said next was (in a truly insane way) quite clever.
He said "Well obviously we didn't kill nobody, but yesterday I had a wank into a tic-tac box and we lashed it across the alter - sponk's human life accordin' to the church like and we killed it"
He was obviously ill, but not stupid.
I mean he had imagination.
Years later, in London I met another Spoofer.
An Aussie who I initially believed HAD lived on an Island by himself for six months because he was working for an oil company who needed someone kill any crocs....etc blah.
I soon learned.
He once told me he'd 'given one' to Lady Bubbles Rothermere AND wiped his nob on her velvet curtains.
He had the skin of a Rhino too.
When, in the pub, we would quietly tell him that everyone who knew him, knew he was a big mental liar, he would just laugh as though we were gently ribbing him.
Well I believe Bill is a Spoofer in exactly the same mould.
A complete fantasist.
Someone who basically invents what he would love to be true.
My belief is that if hundreds of visiting delegations is what Bill would like, hundreds of visiting delegations is what Bill will have....in his head.
But ok, let's say I'm being cynical and there ARE delegations all over the show.
Tony asks how come nothing ever happens
My guess is that they (like us in school) could simply tell that this person is OBVIOUSLY not to be believed.
A bit of a nutter who thinks he can fool the entire word with his fantasies.
A person who walks into a room and thinks "with my brain, I'm in control of everything".
The reality of course is different.
The reality is sniggering and "did you hear what Spoofer said about King's Dock? He's off his head"
5 Posted 31/07/2010 at 01:14:25
6 Posted 31/07/2010 at 01:26:24
7 Posted 31/07/2010 at 01:56:32
What letter? It seems letters go out every year to players. What they contain I do not know. (Watch this space!)
Now "seven or eight times a year, I will get a delegation which will be interested in investing in Everton."
So that's 10 years x 7.5 (on average) making 75 possible investment opportunities, all of which have come to zilch.
Still looking 24/7?
The use of numbers and statistics by our chairman is now bordering on the delusional.
Someone has some explaining to do.
8 Posted 31/07/2010 at 02:06:20
Isn't anyone bored of this yet? He's a decent chairman. He's an Evertonian and he leaves the football to the manager. He's fine. Chill the fuck out.
9 Posted 31/07/2010 at 04:07:40
10 Posted 31/07/2010 at 07:41:36
How about "great an entire article in the Liverpool Echo churning out the same old gushing shite?"
11 Posted 31/07/2010 at 07:36:57
After reading this article, I'm starting to wonder what the hell is going on. As others have mentioned... if he's had meetings with all these potential investors, why hasn't a deal been done with one of them?
12 Posted 31/07/2010 at 07:56:32
13 Posted 31/07/2010 at 08:09:44
14 Posted 31/07/2010 at 08:57:48
Your average football fan expects investors to lose money on their investment in the club.
Maybe the people who approach Kenwright share my philosophy. Like the people who invested in Liverpool. Or the people who invested in Manchester United. Or Portsmouth. Or West Ham....
Maybe that?s he?s reluctant to entrust the club to people like them.
Seems more plausible than most of the crap spouted above.
15 Posted 31/07/2010 at 10:30:22
Fuck me....loyalty and support of your spouse is one thing but that is just fuckin ridiculous..
We finished 8th last year so how adding two 2nd Div foreign players/kids and a 3rd Div English player to the squad is gonna enable us to WIN the league, god only knows....
16 Posted 31/07/2010 at 10:35:24
17 Posted 31/07/2010 at 10:10:38
You're right of course, but I believe for many, being an Evertonian DOES make a saint.
I don't for a moment expect anyone to admit to this, but they don't have to.
Their opinions do it for them (or often their LACK of opinions).
If Bill Kenwright was NOT an Evertonian and NOT Chairman, but was a Liverpool supporting MP, who had been caught on numerous occasions bullshitting, 99% of those backing him now, would (I have NO doubt) be on here giving it..
"He's fucking got to go, he's been caught, he's a liar, he's banged to rights, it's not just once, he's been caught out loads of times and it's not coz he's a kopite, he's lied to us" etc
If I was ever on trial in Liverpool, when it came to my plea, I wouldn't say 'guilty' or 'not guilty', I would risk a contempt charge, look at the jury and say "I LOVE EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB".
My guess is on the jury there would be at least four blues and that would be enough to see me walk.
(and now that I'm free and can't be charged again, I can tell you all...I did it!)
18 Posted 31/07/2010 at 10:39:31
And before anyone accuses me of taking in all the comments of Mr K and of blind loyalty. It's not a case of blind loyalty and accepting every "official" statement. It's more a case of not demonising the guy.
I wonder where some of you where when a certain Peter Johnson was around. You talk about cock ups ? he very nearly got us banned from the FA Cup. He was Everton chairman but also retained a susbstantial interest in Tranmere Rovers ? contrary to FA regulations. Know your history?
19 Posted 31/07/2010 at 10:43:41
Imagine if he was chairman of the redshite, we would all be on here laughing our fucking heads off.
20 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:11:17
How many millions have they spent in the last few seasons to NOT win the title? I would say that we are the better run, better managed club. It's only thanks to Gerrard and Torres being free of any major lay offs that they have finished as high as they have.
21 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:37:41
I am proud to be his biggest fan ? and long may it be so!
22 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:37:38
If you took half of the money that the Shite have invested on terrible players and gave it to Moyes, we would be top 4
For me its the lack of investment that will mark Moyes's stay as manager and you really have to ask how not one of these "potential investment opps" has come off. To me it's because Bill doesn't want to be replaced, it's his terms or no terms.
In a couple of years we may all be reading "Moyes 10 years at Everton changed them from relegation dodgers to Top 5 - 8 but when he really needed the extra push financially he was fucked" or words to that effect.
23 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:42:11
As I say, if he was at the redshite, spouting all the bullshit that he does with us, you, me and probalby everyone else would be on our backs rolling around laughing, slagging him off to the hilt. But hey, it's ok, he's a true blue.
24 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:53:04
It's taken months but the boy is back!!!!!!!!!
25 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:51:50
We're on the threshold of the most promising season we've had for decades - and the chairman's the devil incarnate...
Get a grip.
He's not perfect.
Neither am I.
Neither are you.
But Everton are in with a real shout next season. What the hell does it matter?
Give the guy some credit.
26 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:56:16
They may say, "Ask your mate Phil how much he wants," but I suspect that's about it.
27 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:00:08
28 Posted 31/07/2010 at 11:40:04
By way of a defense, you begin..
"Yes Kenwright has made several mistakes..."
Sorry but anything you write after that suggests either you are being deliberately obtuse or you're genuinely unable to follow the simplest of arguments.
The inference of your 'mistakes' line can only be 'he's only human, so you're being unreasonable'
Here is something you need to know.
We know the difference between bullshit and mistakes.
Mistakes are something we ALL make and most reasonable people are prepared to accept them and forgive them.
They are not deliberate or deceitful - hence the expression 'an honest mistake'.
However there is no such thing as an honest lie.
A lie is a deception in the form of an untruthful statement, with the intention to deceive others.
Can it be spelled out any simpler?
29 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:01:29
Has it occurred to some of you in this thread though that perhaps he's trying not to let a couple of fuckwits like Hicks and Gillete get control of our club? Just because he says there's 7 or 8 offers a year there's no guarantee that those offers are any good.
In the last few years the clubs been getting by. Yeah we have debt but thanks to Moyesie the team has improved year on year. Personally, I'd rather have someone at the helm who wants to make sure that any buyer for the club isn't going to see us get into the same level of debt as Man U or the RS.
If BK was just in this to sell the club for a profit I'm pretty sure that two seasons ago would have been the time. He could quite probably have just taken the money and done one.
30 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:13:25
You don't think he gets approached by investors all the time? It's common knowledge that we need money so I would have thought it absolutely believable that he gets offers along the lines "have we got a deal for you..." regularly.
The sticking point is what people expect in return - investors DO usually expect something in return you know. Some of these investments may well be in place but not significant enough to make headlines (or a huge difference)
Basically, stop dreaming that someone will come in with the express intention of blowing their hard earned on our club. It's an absolute minority who will do that. Only two examples spring to mind (and one of them still holds equity in return for his investment).
In the meantime just take a look at our squad and tell me that Bill isn't doing, at a minimum, a serviceable job.
I'm no supporter of his, but this thread is pathetic.
31 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:09:57
Interestingly the story was confirmed by Tommy Steele in a subsequent interview.
Are you suggesting that grandmothers fave Tommy ''alf a sixpence' Steele was telling porkies?
32 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:34:03
If anyone else made just one good decision in that time in their own job they'd have collected their p45 long ago.
Kenwright gets away with murder because he's seen to a 'true blue'. The mans a fantasist, I saw threw him years ago.
33 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:43:39
Choosing one manager and finding some rich bugger to throw money at us are the only two things he has had to do in a decade?
Again, I'm no BK supporter, but lets not have sweeping statements of fact from people who clearly have no understanding of the facts. It's childlike.
34 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:45:21
I honestly do.
I'm just waiting for the day he slips up and posts 'I' instead of 'he'.
35 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:56:00
Do you ever wonder what happened the the other alter egos, "Rupert Tarlington", "Gerrard Madden" etc?
36 Posted 31/07/2010 at 12:54:24
Sorry that should not read appear to suggest, because you clearly think that he is totally evil.
Perhaps he could sell the club to some foreign investors? Perhaps you would like that. They say that if something appears to be too good to be true then it usually is. Would you like to swop places with Man City? Have all their millions ? Seems brilliant to be in their position doesn't it. Well lets see what history will show us shall we. Do you really think their Owners/Investors want nothing in return for their investment ? I wonder how long they will remain at City ? My guess is that they will remain as long as it proves beneficial to them and then they will pull out. Leaving what behind ? A healthy run club ?
Yes Kenwright does mess up some of the time. But I don't believe he would drive the club into the ground or leave Everton in the situation that the Americans at Anfield and Old Trafford have created.
37 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:09:07
Just like many of us.
I personally can't wait to see the back of the man and his bullshit storys that sadly so many lap up.
38 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:13:19
39 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:21:12
40 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:26:56
Ste - perhaps the words "devil incarnate" may not have been used but they have been implied. There is a difference in not rating someone and some of the vitirolic criticism that has been posted.
41 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:43:38
For all the things he may be... he's not a twat of a bloke.
42 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:12:01
Michael, I shall say WHAT I like, WHEN I like and never (nb: NEVER) adhere to the wishes of an apologist for a bullshitter.
Anything fucking NEW to say? Not like you then with your TOTALLY new "I'm not making excuses for Kenwright.."
Fact: That is EXACTLY what you are doing.. AGAIN!
Jesus, you are someone who appears each and every time someone has the nerve to point out that a PROVEN liar could be telling more lies.
And why? Apparently because you want a 'balanced point of view'... What a reasonable person you are... except everything doesn't HAVE a 'balance'.
Hitler was a cunt - that's it, the whole argument, no 'balance' needed.
(and PLEASE let's not have a wounded "So you're comparing Bill with..." - I use an obvious extreme to make the point - I could have just as easily used Tommy Smith)
Fact is, you ignore BK's lies, call them 'mistakes' and hope nobody will notice the difference... over and over and over Fine - your choice.
But then have the plums to criticise those who do? To have a go at people who DO know the difference between lies and mistakes?
You ARE Bill Kenwright and I claim my five guineas!
43 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:44:04
A premier league club now needs serious investment , and as Kenwright pointed out, the day of the self made millionaire fan has passed. So when he talks about investment, it depends on the figures quoted, if it was from someone with a fortune of say £50mill, he probably told them to keep the money in the bank unless they were prepared to do a bit of minicabbing to make ends meet
44 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:42:56
Kenwright is not the 'devil incarnate', he's just a useless, bungling, dreamer hopelessly out of his depth. If you think Everton is a well run club then i'm afraid you've got your head in the sand.
We all know of Kenwrights fuck ups but what are his successes as Everton chairman?
1) He hired David Moyes
2) He got fucking Sylvester Stallone to visit Goodison once.
45 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:53:47
I dont think Bill is a twat
however because he talks far, far too much and sadly "24/7, Fortress Sports Fund" etc most of it is shite i do find him embarassing
Ok, thread over...............
46 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:52:55
I mean, some of the crap churned out again & again & againzzz is just marvellous. For example, the notion that Kenwright is somehow duty bound (as head of a private company) to report every potential approach to the club, however real or non-existent, is risible.
I mean, here we are with our finest, strongest, most skilfull and most valuable squad for 25 years, looking forward (FORWARD!) to a new season with more relish than for as long as I can remember, on the back of our best league decade for over 20 years, in a reasonable financial position & with little of the bile or debt that characterises LFC or MUFC, with a very good & dedicated manager at the helm and yet....
Let's slag the chairman off. I mean, things are just SO bad. This is, on this site,without doubt, the single most boring pile of irrelevant and often misleading drivel since dinosaurs ruled the earth.
I'm in a good mood about the season ahead under this manager & this chairman. Things are OK. Reading shit like this makes me lose the will to live.
Get a grip, or get out more.
47 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:59:58
48 Posted 31/07/2010 at 14:03:16
Oh zippedyfuckingdooda. The A word finally appears. When I said this was drivel I insulted drivel.
Serves me right for clicking on to a thread with Kenwright in the title. Should know better. Time to leave the salivating sheep of discord.
49 Posted 31/07/2010 at 13:59:38
Just why can`t Evertonians see and appreciate it?
50 Posted 31/07/2010 at 14:14:21
Absolutely cringeable garbage about how our impoverished chariman attended the theatre and had holes in his shoes...I don't think we need to go any further than Eugene's insightful post.
The man's a bullshitter.
51 Posted 31/07/2010 at 14:16:53
I'm sure we're all impressed by your world-weariness and refusal to get involved with such beneath your intellect squabbles.
Or..at least we would be if you hadn't posted twice on this subject, then told us all to...da..da..da..da 'GET OUT MORE'.
52 Posted 31/07/2010 at 14:53:18
53 Posted 31/07/2010 at 14:34:49
How can you "give the guy some credit"? The same guy who has now overseen two failed groundmoves and mortgaged all the clubs assets instead of coming up with anything that even remotely resembles a business plan or commercial strategy.
How about you answer my question? Apart from hiring Moyes what else of note has Kenwright achieved in the 10 years since he's been chairman?
54 Posted 31/07/2010 at 15:25:53
We've got a manager everyone admires, a team on the verge of fulfilling our expectations and full of players coveted by all our rivals and have retained our pride & principles in the process.
We're not multi-millions in debt, owned by some anonymous overseas consortium, the plaything of an Arab sheik- or worse still, relegated and bankrupt.
Yes, a new ground would be good and some serious investment - without becoming just another victim of the Sky merry-go-round - would be equally so... but I do think we should count our blessings.
I can't wait for the Blackburn game. Things are happening at our club and I can't believe how some of my fellow Evertonians just want to whinge and whine all the time.
Things could be better and having aspirations and expectations is vital in any walk of life.
But things could be a LOT worse too.
Anyway, that's my case for the defence. Now over to you: which chairmen are you measuring Bill Kenwright against? I'd like to know who's doing a better job (outside of Abramovic and his crew at Chelsea)?
55 Posted 31/07/2010 at 15:59:22
I see a good squad.
I see a good manager that many would kill for.
I also see my Man City supporting colleague not as much of a fan of the club as before.
I also see the Reds fans at work less than happy.
Am I happy with the Blues under Kenright ?
Grass always greener ?
I am proud of what we are and how we are doing it.
56 Posted 31/07/2010 at 15:54:30
I am pleased with where we are right now. I am excited about the new season. We may not be the richest but we have one of the best managers in the league, who has a great relationship with his chairman. We have the best squad we've had since I've been supporting the blues. And we're currently 2-nil up in a pre-season friendly against Norwich. Doesnt' get much better than that.
57 Posted 31/07/2010 at 15:27:16
For all the progress Moyes has made on the pitch Kenwright and his buddies have been the millstone round his neck.
Putting the absolutely pathetic lies to one side He has fucked up 2 ground moves costing the club millions, presided over operating losses almost every year since he took over and has gone through 5 Chief executives.
Now I wont call other Evertonians for supporting him but I am entitled to my OWN opinion without being called a "salivating sheep of discord" and that opinion is that the man is a lying, incompetent embarassment of a chairman.
58 Posted 31/07/2010 at 16:21:16
That's right the so-called positives that defend BK to the hilt can not mount a positive defence of their man only negative. Yet they consider themselves the positive ones, but for them things can't get better only worse hence the "At least we're not (insert name of club) defence".
I have had enough of this BS from the apologists hypocritically decrying his critics as negative when they are negative for different reasons. In truth its his critics that want a better club, while his apologists quake in their boots about the terrifying prospect of any change at all.
59 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:03:12
Care to suggest any alternatives we ought to be modelling ourselves on?
60 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:06:14
61 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:16:33
62 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:22:51
List his achievements, not Moyes go on give it a go.
63 Posted 31/07/2010 at 16:37:00
The fact that there have been some dodgy overseas investors in Premier League clubs over the last few years has probably given Kenwright an easier ride with some fans than he deserves. Just because another club is in an even worse position does not mean that you now have to overlook gross incompetence, mismanagement, and the blatant misleading of supporters and shareholders.
As for a chairman doing a better job than Bill? How about Daniel Levy at Spurs? Despite having a antiquated stadium with a similiar capacity to ourseves, Spurs were the only Premier League club (outside Man Utd and Arsenal) to post profits of more than £25m in their last accounts. Everton, of course recorded a loss of £6.9m. The only time in the last five years that Everton have made a profit was 2005 and this was due solely to the sale of Rooney.
Tottenhams turnover in 2009 was £113m compared to Evertons £79m. Tottenhams wage to turnover ratio is also an impressive 50% (compared to say Man City 94.4%, Aston Villa 76.8%, and Everton 62%).
Tottenhams commercial operations earn £29m. Evertons commercial operations earn £9.2m.
Levy is now apparantly looking to get Spurs a new state of the art ground without crippling the club. Let's see if he fucks it up like Kenwright. Twice.
64 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:29:28
List who's done better?
65 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:32:13
Can we judge the man on his own merits or are you already conceding the point?
66 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:36:23
Tottenham are a London club - and we all know the advantages that bestows (in terms of kudos, attracting sponsors, ticket prices etc). We are one of two clubs within half a mile of one another in Liverpool.
The last I heard, their new ground was no further forward than ours, ie, some lovely drawings and promises - followed soon afterwards by much comment saying it was fanciful, impractical and would never be affordable. In short, when it's built, you may have a point.
Would you have made the same point when we finished fourth and they were nowhere a few seasons ago I wonder? Please don't make them your darling's, as well as the media's.
And in all fairness, yes Moyes must take the credit for building us a very promising-looking team, but you can't just say that's in spite of Kenwright. He doesn't clean the boots, but he is still the chairman and therefore deserves his share of the credit.
David: your insistence on calling me 'Booth' and the lack of a reasonable argument from you proves nothing other than that your dad is doubtless bigger than my dad. You may carry on talking to yourself.
67 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:07:15
As for taking umbrage at being refered to by your surname, are you serious?
I think it is quite sad when your only response is leave me alone, but I'm a reasonable man so I will assent to your request.
68 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:08:45
'anyone who agrees with me is reasonable, anyone who doesn't, isn't'.
He also states that 'the voices of discontent are always the loudest'.
How the fuck does THAT work on a website?
That must be some computer he's got!
(or does he mean, as I suspect, 'I see any contrary opinion as being shouted at me'?)
All nonsense intended as diversion.
"I haven't got an argument, I'm ignoring anything I don't like, I know Bill has lied over and over, shit - AH I KNOW - you're being unreasonable!"
I've seen hundreds of posts on here from people who love telling the world they're reasonable and balanced and positive and that those with opposing views are 'drooling lunatics' or salivating sheep' etc blah
All smoke-screen to cover piss-weak 'arguments'
I read pages on TW on Kirkby from reasonables about "Do you really think Bill would..." and "How do you know...." and "So you know more than the Chairman..."
Yes I fucking did.
I knew Kenwright was a twat then and I know he's a twat now.
Anyway, I very rarely believe these even-tempered reasonables are as reasonable as they make out and indeed, am often wary of them.
Nobody more positive than your Scientologist and they scare they shite out of me.
Or Kenneth Bianchi - now he was a VERY reasonable, engaging feller by all accounts....until the red mist came down and the Chinese music started playing in his head.
If people have something to say, they should say it and not give two fucks about looking 'even' or 'balanced'.
Fact is, you don't need 'balanced' if you're right.
69 Posted 31/07/2010 at 17:55:30
The current chairman has been at Everton for over a decade and was on the board during Peter Johnson's reign yet an earlier argument as to Johnson nearly getting Everton banned from the FA Cup, well BK was on the board then. Eugene has explained the difference between mistakes and lies quiet sufficiently. Several of the lies sufficient to drive a wedge between the supporters themselves in a divide and conquer type movement.
I personally don't trust BK as having the club's best interests at heart, you might but I and several others don't and that's the point of this thread.
70 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:07:39
O'Keefe - re-read my posts and see if you think I'm being negative. You, sir, are the one complaining about a chairman who, outside of your little group of cry babies, is universally liked by the football world, is loved by the Everton manager, and who is presiding over a positive period in our club's history. You, sir, are the negative one.
Oh, and I'm using last names because everyone on here seems to be called David.
71 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:26:01
Come on Max you can do better than that....can't you?
72 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:25:00
I can explain the statement if you like. If a million people watch a TV show and enjoy it, but one person is offended by it, who do you think writes in to the TV company? The satisfied million? You there yet? I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it.
And obviously I think the reasonable people agree with me. Otherwise I would think that I wasn't reasonable. But regardless of that, I've already explained why you lot are unreasonable, so I won't go into that again.
And I won't go into your last few lines (btw paragraphs are easy enough) but you accuse me of writing nonsense intended as diversion? Really?
73 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:33:23
74 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:37:48
Allowing Moyes to do his job..is now apparently the zenith Bill's tenure....There's balance for you..
75 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:38:43
76 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:44:46
If you think two failed ground moves, the fortress sport fund debacle and the clubs continued poor financial performance constitutue doing a "decent Job" then your a fool. Those are the facts and you can't argue with them.
77 Posted 31/07/2010 at 18:25:25
I don't vilify Kenwright. I don't hate him. I don't think he's got bad intentions. I just think he's a naive clown. He's been on the board for 20 years and the only way he's ever managed to provide funds for his manager is via borrowing from the banks and his buddies or selling assets such as Rooney and Lescott.
Things on the pitch may be okay at the moment but off it the management and malaise at boardroom level is truly shocking. Everton are a club with an ever growing debt and are operating at a loss each and every year. The club does not make any money at all. They have nothing at bank. That's a fact. All the clubs assets have already been sold off. They are on their arse. You think this is the by-product of a good chairman? You think we can just rely on Moyes picking up bargains every year to keep us in the top half of the table? What happens if he leaves?
Classic Kenwright quote: "I do not understand why football clubs have such big debts, it is a mystery". He's had 20 yrs to fucking figure it out and he still doesn't get it.
78 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:01:03
79 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:17:53
80 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:05:21
"A Pack of Spluttering Crows"
"Absolutely Cringeable Garbage" (Early frontrunner)
"Salivating Sheep of Discord"
As far as Kenright? There seems universal agreement that Goodison's amenities are being left as they are. That's a ton of goodwill and cash being left on the table by a Club that should be pursuing every revenue stream. Especially ones right there in front of you.
And that's not Moyes' department. So whose? Kenright should take a hit for that one.
81 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:22:10
A) The stadium situation.
B) A reasonable transfer budjet for his manager.
He's failed on both counts.
Apart from bringing in Moyes (a manager who still hasn't won anything),BK has no achievements to speak of. Just lots of cock-ups and bullshitting on his CV.
82 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:16:06
83 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:40:41
As part of his 'you're all wrong' package, Max Main tells us BK is "universally liked by the football world"
Well that's that then - no more worries about whether he's competent or honest as long as Dave Whelan thinks "Oh aye furrr-play to Bill, Everton always put on a grand spread after't match"
Frank McGregor, you should know that whenever anyone on TW tells me off for my profanity, I go out and hurt a small animal.
It's up to you.
84 Posted 31/07/2010 at 19:48:27
Seems to me there are very few, if any, APOLOGISTS for Kenwright on here.
But there clearly are a few contented Evertonians who see more important things in life to get upset about than approaching a new season with more optimism than for a long long time, good squad, good manager and wonder what all the fuss is about. Some look at things in perspective and see that. whilst it would be great to have more money, better stadium etc, we could also be owned by complete cunts who give not a toss for the club, saddle it with huge debts, double prices over 3 years (or in City's case 1 year), change managers every season.
But then, whinging bastards always find something to whinge about and have no concept of the facts that things could be much worse.
Because if you did you wouldn't fucking whinge incessantly just because our chairman gave an interview in which he mentioned all manner of trivia.
I repeat, get out more, engage, smile, think positive, don't dance on pinheads, don't worry about a Bill Kenwright interview because, guess what,it has NO RELEVANCE to how we perform as a team.
Please, give it a rest boys. You're giving broken records a bad name. There is no news here. And that's the point.
85 Posted 31/07/2010 at 20:18:19
I'm amazed that people like you Alan Kirwin are content with this. The way you express your views on this site, I had you down as a fella who had a bit more passion than that. I am also unsure why Gartside thinks Kenwright is the best chairman, perhaps he's the nicest guy but he cannot be judged to be the best chairman.
86 Posted 31/07/2010 at 20:30:48
The surname business Alan is because there are too many Davids on this thread, has this not come to your attention?
87 Posted 31/07/2010 at 20:35:55
Can any of you defend the lies he has told over his tenure, or do you just put them down to mistakes?
Also, what chairman comes out with " Don't ask me, I'm just the chairman " When asked a serious question?
88 Posted 31/07/2010 at 20:39:16
If there was a MAJOR problem, then fair enough. However, when we're on the crest of a potential wave I think such negativity permeates and has helped to hold us back in the past.
Time to start thinking positive on all fronts: from we fans upwards, through the team to the board.
Onward Evertonians and let's stop fighting amongst ourselves?
If the team's successful, what else matters?
89 Posted 31/07/2010 at 20:24:40
And in each post you're telling people they shouldn't be arsed with this non-issue and instead should be out and about 'engaging;.
Instead of telling us this (three times), shouldn't you have been para-gliding over Sussex with a big smile on your face?
If you're not interested - absolutely fine, YOU go out and 'engage'.
No matter how pointless you might think this 'debate' is, obviously (by the number of posts) there are many who disagree.
Well here's a way we can ALL be happy.
You go off and grin at people and let those who choose to post on TW post on TW.
(seriously - why is how strangers spend their Saturday so important to you?)
Also, I have to point out that there WAS a whinging tone towards the end of your last post.
90 Posted 01/08/2010 at 00:50:58
91 Posted 01/08/2010 at 01:09:13
92 Posted 01/08/2010 at 01:09:53
He faked emotions as part of his acting job and once you can fake sincerity you've got it sorted.
He exists by getting backers ( called angels in the trade ) to put money into his productions for a) The glamour of it all, the roar of the greasepaint the smell of the crowd. b) mingle with the celebs and ' stars ' c) Oh and the chance that you might get a return if it does well at the box office ( bums on seats laddie, bums on seats ) 60%+ b.o.s. every day 7 days a week incld matinees.
BULLSHITTER! Doesn't even begin to cover it.
That said he seems a nice bloke to have a night out with, not a misery anyway, but so what.
He is what he is, it's his nature, the problem is that we need and require some one with a different nature and a lot more cash, or access to it and the nouse to use it to it's fullest.
And why haven't we got one??
I blame Hibbert and Osman, thats who, with help from that other waster Bily.
93 Posted 01/08/2010 at 01:22:44
Imagine though, an Everton fan being "pro the club"? Crazy world we live in.
94 Posted 01/08/2010 at 07:06:10
While those "Salivating Sheep of Discord" try to shout louder than those Zenned out, enso-strong
All the classics have come out in defence of Bill:
- He's a true blue
- He's made some mistakes, but..
- He employed and did not sack David Moyes
- We could have ended up like Portsmouth, West Ham...
- we could be The RS, Man Utd
- We're not a London club
- Would you rather be City
- Yadda, yadda fucking yadda
While this entire thread was free from personal attack until post 87(?!), effectively little has really been added to the arguments which were for and against DK. Well except that that Bill's Blue Knights kept using the argument then that NOBODY was interested in investing/buying Everton because of our "shitty ground" and all the other bile. The only thing that has changed is that one of the arguments used is now obsolete... Bill has seen a number of suitors, regardless of whether we see a queue leading out of GP.
I've said it elsewhere that I'm looking forward to this season, and I truly am. I don't hate Bill, I don't expect investment without return (Bill will see a hefty mark up on his investment and good on him), things are looking good at the moment... BUT without money to increase wages we will always struggle to keep hold of our players. Arteta and Pieneaar may still leave because of this. And all of the other things which are worrying and have not changed under Bill's tenure.
It's not quite as clear cut as we have achieved everything thus far in spite of Bill Kenwright, but that is closer to a balanced argument in my mind than some of the gushing shite I've read as to why I should not question him.
95 Posted 01/08/2010 at 07:58:09
96 Posted 01/08/2010 at 08:24:24
97 Posted 01/08/2010 at 09:52:10
Personally I think 'they' were a feller from Woolton called Jeremy Lewis who was the 'moderator' (java2000?) on the Echo Everton forum.
A real internet warrior and a feller who banned more or less everyone who posted against DK (then shat himself when someone traced him)
Anyway, whoever 'they' were, their only opinion on anything to do with Everton was to do with supporting Bill and DK.
They posted on nothing else, had no opinion on players, games, Moyes - just Bill and DK.
And when DK died, basically so did they.
Although I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe one of them (coz like they WERE two different people!) were cryogenically frozen after Kirkby and 'thawed out' yesterday, specially for this post.
(what do you reckon Max?)
Anyway, here is some of Rupert's finest work.
(love THE Tom Hughes description of 'Rupert' - 'Everton's Lord Haw Haw')
98 Posted 01/08/2010 at 10:37:19
Point of order. Bill Kenwright is not Everton Football Club....and being unabe to criticise someone who has harmed the club on so many occasions..is not being 'pro the club'
In fact, it could be quite cogently argued that it's quite the contrary.
99 Posted 01/08/2010 at 10:42:09
Maybe I''m too trusting but, no matter how much another poster's views differ from mine, it's never occurred to me that (playing Devils's Advocate, obvious sarcasm etc. aside) they were likely to be anything less than genuine before. Perhaps I should learn to be more critical in my appraisal.
100 Posted 01/08/2010 at 12:03:20
Frequency of possible investment 'delegations': 7 - 8 per year
Actual Investment: £0
After 99 posts it still doesn't add up.
101 Posted 01/08/2010 at 13:11:13
102 Posted 01/08/2010 at 13:34:52
I'm not a BK hater at all. But people have the right to ask legitimate questions about the running of the club.
Investment or not, we need some new blood at the helm with fresh ideas.
103 Posted 01/08/2010 at 14:33:45
Roy, I haven't heard that Steele corroborated Kenwrights claims but BK said that Steele would be annoyed at his revelation but, come on, can you see Presley and Steele wandering around London and not being seen?
104 Posted 01/08/2010 at 14:32:44
So I'll say it once more, and once more only: I am not any of those people mentioned above.
105 Posted 01/08/2010 at 15:03:04
106 Posted 01/08/2010 at 15:11:25
Any of you gents fans of Charlie Brooker? Here are his wise words regarding online debates. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.charliebrooker
This thread is one of those life immitating art, imitating life, imitating life thingies....
As you were!
107 Posted 01/08/2010 at 15:52:36
"It just goes to show you can't be too careful!"
108 Posted 01/08/2010 at 16:09:29
And it is better to be careful than go deabting schlong length on the net!
109 Posted 01/08/2010 at 16:37:18
110 Posted 01/08/2010 at 17:29:05
111 Posted 01/08/2010 at 22:50:29
I actually know Bill well through my uncle and it hurts him all the bad press he gets. He loves Everton more tha, anything and has said a few times he will not sell while we are on the up and let someone else get all the glory and who can blame him.
So enjoy the ride, guys, we are going in the right direction and, just to prove I am not a hoaxer, watch out for a sale you might not expect this month.
112 Posted 01/08/2010 at 23:16:06
113 Posted 01/08/2010 at 23:20:19
114 Posted 01/08/2010 at 23:12:53
Whoever makes Bill's kecks must have orders to put in a really big arse-pocket, so there's plenty of room for all those Echo 'reporters'.
115 Posted 02/08/2010 at 00:51:38
It fucking annoys me so much that despite all his cock-ups he arrogantly thinks he should be central to decision making at the club. He's got an ego bigger than the Albert Dock.
116 Posted 02/08/2010 at 00:31:27
117 Posted 02/08/2010 at 00:39:43
Kenwright "has said a few times he will not sell while Everton are on the up and let someone else get the glory and who can blame him"
This is supposed to be a defence of the man? It should not be about BK's quest for personal glory.
He should be acting in the best interests of the club, not seeking to massage his fucking ego.
He's previously claimed that he would happily step aside if he could find a suitable buyer and now you're saying he's stated that he will never do that because he doesn't want another party to possibly attain the adulation he feels he is deserving of? Just another example of Billy Boy Bluff misleading the fans then. The Blue Fairy's never gonna turn him into a real boy at this rate.
118 Posted 02/08/2010 at 00:08:45
I'm sure it's in Bill's nature to take criticism to heart more than he should in many respects. However, given his profession I'm certain that he's incredibly thick skinned as well.
It's your point that he has no intention to sell while we are progressing that I find more interesting, because I'm sure that he would simply change that to not wanting to leave us sinking should we take a downward turn or some other reason for staying on because we're treading water. I don't believe Bill wants to let go of his trainset, regardless of the impact that has on the club, because in his mind he and pretty much he alone has the club's best interest at heart.
I'm sure he's a lovely, warm, generous and charismatic man... But he is also a fairly ruthless businessman by all accounts. Obviously, as with all people he is imperfect, but the magnitude of his errors, gaffs, failures and downright lies he would not accept from an employee of his.
Do I want him run out of town and strung up, certainly not... But he has to see that the club needs more investment than he can possibly offer or secure. He will always be a part of the club, but being Chairman is not his God given right and blocking investment/buyers because the person offering/fronting it is not a mirror image of himself is not what is best for his beloved Everton. Again though my fear is that if Bill met himself trying to move the club forward he would instantly dismiss him.
Diluting control may be one way in which to secure more money and in a post DK era, perhaps the club might be happier to accept
year feels like it's a big year, and maybe if Rodwell does as well as he has been we can sell him next summer to keep ourselves going, but we need to provide money to sorting out Goodison, and ensure that we are meeting the expectations of top player's wages... Otherwise Bill will very soon find us no longer moving forward and rethinking his position.
119 Posted 02/08/2010 at 01:23:40
Don't fall for it.
I smell a rat.
120 Posted 02/08/2010 at 01:51:53
121 Posted 02/08/2010 at 01:57:42
122 Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:58:01
And if your assertion that Kenwright claims he won't sell the club while it's on the up because he doesn't want to let someone else take the credit is true, then that flies in the face of his insistence that the club has been sale for years and he's working "24/7" to find a buyer.
Maybe you can ask him to clarify that situation the next time you see him, John!
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