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Just when we are getting our appetites whetted for the new season with the usual who?s coming and who's going and who's staying within our usual budget of zero spend, up pops the headlines ?Liverpool considering 6 bids to buy the club? and they hope that any deal will be done before the transfer deadline to allow a transfer budget figure of £30m being banded about.

We all knew that to break into the old Top 4 would be difficult, but it has been made worse by Man City and Spurs joining them to become the Top 6 with us and Villa on the fringes.

The thing which gets me down is the realisation that if any of the Top 6 clubs get into money trouble, or if they fail to compete at the Top 4 table there will be some mighty benefactor(s) who will come running in to save them and plunge more monies in to shore them up. I don?t get any feeling that Everton will ever be in that position even if we ever manage to become a Top 4 club in regards to football stats. You could argue that no-one was interested in 2004 when we finished 4th.

And therein lies the problem, we will always be at an enormous disadvantage because for whatever reasons we will argue about ? Bill, no ground, 2nd team in the City, poor brand etc etc?. no-one wants us ? FACT.

Still we all live in the dream world and believe that Everton will this season show the rest how well a club can compete on a shoe-string budget, and how Moyes?s has developed the likes of Fellaini, Heitinga, Gueye, Arteta, Beckford, Coleman, Rodwell etc to become ? World Class? .

The irony will be that if this happens you can bet your last pound that all will be wanted by the Financial Top 6 for the following season with Moyes himself joining the list whilst Bill will be looking round to see how we can again move on with a zero budget.
Mike Oates, South Coast     Posted 02/08/2010 at 20:56:31

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Toffee Jon
1   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:10:34

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LONDON ? A Chinese businessman with a minority stake in the Cleveland Cavaliers has offered to buy Liverpool's $374 million debt from a British bank in an attempt to end Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr.'s control of the English Premier League club.

So what do we have to do? Liverpool have had several offers this week alone!!!!.

Bill if you ever read this LISTEN! you cannot sell the club and keep total control, i know you love the club but so do we and we deserve better. We have no money AGAIN.we need a billionaire because that's the market place we are in.

The perfect investor does not exist just the super rich who want to own a football club, hopefully we can get somebody like randy learner from Aston Villa but at this moment in time we just need to stay in touch or go backwards.

James Flynn
2   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:17:36

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I don't know. With all the NBA basketball teams he could purchase (AND even move to a different city if he wants), this Chinese fellow chooses to purchase LFC's debt?

An NBA team is the easiet to turn into a winner if a good management team is brought in. And there's a number of teams for sale. He chose to buy massive debt on a team on the downslide?
Rob Hollis
3   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:34:02

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So Liverpool are going to be sold. Will this be a good or bad move for them?

Don't know and don't care because we are just about to embark upon a title winning season. We have a team as good as any in the league and will be playing fewer fixtures.

Wondered how long it would take before somebody started bleating 'why not us?' Why not look at what we have now got and enjoy it? Exciting season ahead and that is all that matters.
Iain Love
4   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:20:28

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Do we really want some foreign bloke with dubious intentions to buy our club, yes it would be nice to be able to buy top class players but just take a look at teams that has happened to
Manure , reportedly skint, win the league in champs league spent about £15mill this close season same as last , money from the diver disappeared, fans staging protests against the owners, ticket prices through the roof , first time in prem history they have season tickets going spare.
Citeh, not sure how much they have spent in the last few seasons but we beat them easily, doubtless Mancini will go if there not in top 4 at Chrimbo , best player a mercenary Tevez or Robinho whose in fucking Brazil.
Liverpool in fucking breakdown , Hodgson a decent manager but sure as shit there going down the pan.
Us !!!!! No money , whats new ? decent squad , probably no definately the best since the mid 80s , stable manager and looking forward to a decent season .
Couldn't be arsed going on about the other clubs but we are better placed for longevity than anyone , except maybe Arsenal. Our time will come .
Simon Thorne
5   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:39:21

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A deal is still quite unlikely "6 deals" lies... He will have a few inquiries, and the chinese fellow who is not willing to pay the 800m price tag the yanks are flopping about. If they dnt budge the deal will never be done. Then after that falls through, lets all protest outside of RBS, call in your fucking money! Its bad enough the government has to bail you out but you carry on lending to people who cant show they can pay it back.

Lets not get pissed off with these billionnaires comming and playing with "their" money, lets get pissed of with the banks which keep on giving out Dosh like monopoly money so that these buyers cant enter into all of this without any risk to their own assets.

I mean get a grip, the people that are ruining our game & country are the banks. Call in the money, send the "Big spenders" into administration and make football teams live within their means, or at-least close to...
Wayne Smyth
6   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:29:47

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I kinda like the way we're going about things to be honest.

It would be nice to have more money to spend, but with the current squad of players, stability, no european distraction and a bit of luck, I think Moyes can achieve a top 4 finish this season.

Several clubs, like the RS, look to buy their way to the top. Most of them fail. I can see the RS again finishing outside the top 4, simply because their squad isn't good enough. Last season in the derby, they paid us a massive compliment by attempting to kick us off the park rather than play football. This season I think we easily have the better squad, and hopefully we'll be ready for payback.

I think redknapp is in the process of bankrupting spurs by spending massive amounts on any player Moyes shows a passing interest in, and man city will probably suffer again due to dissention in the ranks.

I wouldn't get too obsessed by a foreign wealthy owner. Based on what we're seeing at many clubs, the likely disruption would be more of a hindrance than a help.
Kunal Desai
7   Posted 02/08/2010 at 22:38:59

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The shite appoint Martin Broughton to try and sell the club and in less than 6 months and they have potential buyers. Bill Kenwright WORKS with Seymour Pierce to try and bring investment over the last 3 years!...nothing absolutely nothing at all. Please please Bill Kenwright move aside and let someone else take control of our club.
Andy Crooks
8   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:00:51

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I honestly think that anyone prepared to take on Liverpool and their debts has something dodgy about them. I don't want a billionaire, a properly run club would do just fine. I believe we can achieve success this season and it will be sweeter than anything bought with tainted money.
Julian Wait
9   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:11:00

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@Andy #7 - Agree on all three counts.
David Thomas
10   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:07:30

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I don't see why anyone is surprised that Liverpool have potential investors and we don't. Although it hurts me to say it but Liverpool are one of the biggest sporting brands in the world whilst outside the UK we are not particularly well known.
Richard Dodd
11   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:23:57

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I seem to remember the same excitement existed amongst RS supporters when the Yanks first came to town.`A spade will be in the ground tomorrow and the stadium ready for next season` all rings a bit hollow ,now doesn`t it?
Give me `Good Old Bill` any day!
Simon Thorne
12   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:31:13

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I would take Bill over a billionaire any day. Just lock him up so he cant speak in public, but he really does have the clubs best interest at heart. Im sure we will have had enquiries about buy outs but if Bill just threw us away for the cash, who knows we could have been in Pompeys position.

Give me slow and steady progression any day, ours will be long lasting success. Just as we hit our peak, all the other clubs will be in administraton
Ciarán McGlone
13   Posted 02/08/2010 at 23:32:02

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Yeah...who'd want Glazers or the Liverpool duo...i mean, after all - who needs transfers funds...

Fuckin overated - this whole buying players thing.
Larry Boner
14   Posted 03/08/2010 at 00:38:05

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Its not the lack of investors that pisses me off, its the total lack of investment by the current incumbents.

Wolves, plans to redevelop Molineux to the tune of £40m, Spurs plans to build new ground right next to WHL, required land already bought and paid for.
Everton no plans to do anything, apart from the disastrous Destination Kirby which if passed would have given shareholders a nice pay off, but destroyed the club.
We are close to having a solid challenge for top 4 this season, what have the board done to support the manager, fuck all, indeed the most likely scenario is we will sell one of our Crown Jewels to finance any incoming transfers.
I could never really warm to Mr Moyes in the early years, but the man is working fucking miracles, to be in with a shout this season when we have spent zilch

John Daley
15   Posted 03/08/2010 at 01:30:25

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Why is it presumed that all foreign buyers are "dodgy" and have "dubious intentions"? Abramovich, Randy Lerner, Sheick whatshisface at City, Carson Yeung, Mohammed Al Fayed even. These "foreign blokes" have really fucked their clubs up haven't they, and all for their own hidden agenda. Sneaky blackhearted bastards backing their managers with transfer funds each year and daring to show some ambition.
Brendan O'Doherty
16   Posted 03/08/2010 at 01:44:01

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Yes. Te RS have a queue of 6 waiting to take over them. Mind you to 'buy' a debt of £250m you'd have to be off your head!

I think that we owe the Americans a big pat on the back for taking their debt from £45m to £250m in just 3 years! And then leaving without making a cent! Job done!

Mind you we'll be just fine, as our great leader meets '7-8 possible investment delegations per year.' So at the rate of £0 per year, that's....let me see.....yep, still £0 by the time he goes.

Stop clinging to power, Bill.
John Daley
17   Posted 03/08/2010 at 01:51:26

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"We are better placed for longevity than anyone, exept maybe Arsenal". Yeah, I can see now why you would think that when you take into consideration that the club is heavily in debt, mortgaged up to the tits, records a loss every financial year, has an antiquated ground, can't afford to fund any transfers at all, and faces a battle just to keep their best players out of the hands of wealthier clubs every pre-season. Damn, if only all clubs were run as well as us.
Adam Fenlon
18   Posted 03/08/2010 at 02:12:04

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Just another "Football's not fair" post..... At some point you have to acknowledge that we don?t have an equal financial footing with some clubs, and probably never will do ? and to blame this fact on Kenwright is just a ridiculous simplification (despite the known stuff-ups on his watch)
Eric Myles
19   Posted 03/08/2010 at 02:16:57

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It seems that offering to buy the debt is a cheap way to get hold of the club as he's not paying the real share value to the owners of the club.
That in itself sounds a dodgy way to do business to me and I'd be surprised if it's legal, and if it is why can't we form a supporters trust, raise the money and pay off our debt and take control of Everton?
Mike McLean
20   Posted 03/08/2010 at 02:26:22

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At some point in history, two thirds of all male Evertonians lost their bollocks. They adopted the philosophy of "Always hold on tight to nurse for fear of finding something worse."

The current ownership postition is a marriage between the gutless and the potless because if fans had, at any stage, demonstrated feelings of it aint good enough, Bill might be less inclined to flash a cheesy grin and carry on as normal.

We are the second club in this city because we have allowed ourselves to be.
Jay Harris
21   Posted 03/08/2010 at 03:13:04

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When the RS are weak
A champion we seek

To take us to heaven
by looking after us 24/7

Unfortunately for Bill
He makes us quite ill

By not keeping pace and
telling us to "watch this space"

Andunfortunately for us
We're gonna miss the bus

Because our Chairman's the git
who keeps feeding us shit

With the promise of more of the same
there's only one person to blame

For having no poke
Only mirrors and smoke

Pulling rabbits out of a hat
He has to be a Rat (or use your own rhyming word)

For we got DK instead of KD
and under this guy forever a small club we will be

Unless we stand up to the man
and insist on Donovan

Without selling the boys
that have prospered under Moyes

And if we all stick together
this storm we will weather

So come on you Blues
Give us a cup to peruse

And fuck all the board
while their money they hoard
Chad Schofield
22   Posted 03/08/2010 at 06:47:10

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Bloody foreigners, come over here and takeover our football clubs, investing their dirty cash just to make our boys look bad.

No one's never won anything with foreigners, no we just want English staff, English players, English owners and British Pounds running through our club.

Well, I suppose so long as we remain true to British at least we'll be OK... Maybe the odd European neighbour, and I suppose players from the Common Wealth are OK too... Yanks speak the same language - But not as investors because just look at what's happened elsewhere... Too risky, we just want stability and that's all our player's want, just to ensure they have enough to feed their family's - it doesn't matter if they can earn more elsewhere or win things at other clubs, we're just one big happy English British family. And as everyone knows, all family members have a price.

Alan Clarke
23   Posted 03/08/2010 at 08:01:48

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John Daley - spot on. People on here seem to think that not having a foreign owner who is willing to put money into the club to help with team building means that Kenwright is doing a good job of running our club. Everton are a financial mess so I'm not surprised Kenwright can't find investment.

There is a big difference between finding investment and finding a buyer. Everton, with Kenwright in charge, is just a massive money pit. Investment implies that you'll see some return on your money and who the hell would trust Kenwright to make them a profit? You don't get anything for nothing and Kenwright is completely unrealistic if he thinks someone is just going to pump money into the club with no expectations of gaining anything back whilst 'Blue Bill' keeps total control. I really don't think Kenwright has any business strategy for the future of Everton FC. Every year is the same - close your eyes, keep your fingers crossed and just hope.
Craig Taylor
24   Posted 03/08/2010 at 08:57:08

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I pretty sure there was a similar panic by evertonians when Hicks and Gillet took over. I also remember watching Sky Sports News and listening to redshite fans saying how getting a big investment from Hicks and Gillet was so amazing for them and they are really happy etc etc.

We heard it all before and it didn't work out.

Yes we need more money, but realistically if we had had more money this summer the only thing we would have wanted to do differently was secure Arteta and Pienar more quickly.

we have a good manager, and a good squad of players who know each other etc etc.

I predict a top 4 finish this season.
Duncan McDine
25   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:11:14

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I'm always telling my wife that I don't give a shite what other people have... and I feel the same about Everton at the moment.

We're great. I'm great. Fuck everyone else, especially the redshite!

We're on the up. Just go to the match and enjoy.
Stan Sheppard
26   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:13:28

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Craig: As does Steven Pienaar who has made some encourging quotes about challenging for top 4 and having the feeling of 'being back home'. (Daily Mail)

Some talk also about Barcelona going for Arteta if they don't get Fabregas. (im scouting/Total footbal/Daily Post North Wales (

However, just like these two stories all of the reports on Liverpool being sold is speculation and paper talk. We've all heard the stories about why we don't have this and that and why we can't get a buyer etc etc. With us the problem has been that while the Americans want to sell up and get out, Bill wants investment while he stays in charge, or retains some sort of control.
Ped Pearl
27   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:16:48

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How amazing that people continue to find reasons to knock BK..... whatever happened to that Robert Elstone fella??

With our long term future and home all still up in the air we simply will not attract any real investors. Liverpool will because they are a world wide brand. Most people I meet from all over the world have to be educated that Everton is in the city of Liverpool in the first place (another reason we need 'our' bird back).

We need Moyes and the blue boys to do theirs and our talking on the pitch... make noise with our performances and we get more air time... how else can we make the money for future player investment without the need to sell.... well Mr Kenwright???
SORRY I meant... well Mr Elstone???
Mark Stone
28   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:23:54

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Yeah...who'd want Glazers or the Liverpool duo...i mean, after all - who needs transfers funds...

Fuckin overated - this whole buying players thing.

Ciaran, no doubt you are being sarcastic ... but I actually agree with this statement . Many clubs go out and buy buy buy each summer - not improving at all. Liverpool have spent hundreds of millions and have gone backwards. Maybe the problem at these clubs is a lack of stability? I'm more than content for Everton to take the current squad into the 2010-11 season, and given the new 25 man rule I am confident that we can challenge for a top 4 finish. Incidently I'm also proud to support a team who show faith in young British and Irish players a chance, not relying on mediocre foreign imports,
Trevor Lynes
29   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:36:17

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Mark...how can you say that the foreignors in the premier are mediocre...most of our better players who other clubs covet are foreign..we actually lost the money that a transfer of Gosling would have fetched due to very poor administration...the fact is all the fans seem to accept the lack of funds excuse for not being active in the market place....I do not believe all that the club come out with...if we need more money to be able to compete then investment in players (assets) are needed.
We lost places in the league last season due to an abysmal start and a glut of injuries which showed a lack of squad depth and every time we bring in a couple of freebies we let an equal amount of players leave.
With our current wage levels it is easy for other clubs at the top to tempt away our 'better players' with better deals and footballers all want to win things...even DM was near leaving due to a contract impasse a couple of seasons ago...we came up with a supposed £15 million for Fellaini at the eleventh hour when the fans were restless some time ago....but now with all the chat about our best squad being available to start the current campaign the fans are allowing BK off the hook with DM toeing the party line.
I still think we are short of decent left back cover and a premier top class right sided attacking player....With just a few injuries we are once again going to be stretched to compete.
With money thrown away on Gosling through ineptitude...his wages paid and injury looked after plus a prospective transfer fee if he wanted away all being squandered it is no wonder we are supposedly the poor neighbours and picking up crumbs.
We should perhaps sell the Yak and get Donovan in for starters to show some ambition.
I for one do not buy into this poverty excuse when I see much lesser clubs showing activity.
Ciarán McGlone
30   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:58:24

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'Mediocre foreign imports'

You are aware Mark, that there are a fair few mediocre British players in the Premier League, aren't you? In fact, we've got a few ourselves.

What have you got against foreigners? (Apart from Irish ones [confused])

Personally, I want the best players at Everton. I would've thought that would be the opinion of all Evertonians... clearly not.
Alan Clarke
31   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:57:15

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Mark, the reason liverpool went backwards is because of a shit manager. The reason other teams who've invested more than Everton have not progressed is because of shit managers. If you took the money Sunderland have spent with Keane and Bruce and gave that to Moyes at Everton we'd be looking forward to CL fixtures this year. Can you imagine the force we'd be if Moyes had been given the money that Benitez was given?

IF Everton do well this year it will be in spite of Kenwright not because of him. It is criminal that year on year Moyes is not backed having delivered on the pitch and the only way he can spend is by selling a major asset. You know as well as I do that his patience will be wearing thin and sooner or later he'll be off. This summer, Moyes has already talked about leaving and not finishing his career with Everton. If he was happy at Everton, why would he publicly say that? The dynasty we're all hoping for will never materialise because of this so called 'stability' that Kenwright has brought to the club.
Andy Crooks
32   Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:43:43

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Alan Clarke and John Daley. I am not keen on a foreign billionaire but I certainly do not think Bill Kenwright is doing a good job. I think that under a more astute chairman ,even one with the same limited funds as Bill, we'd be in a much stronger position to exploit our strongest squad for years.
I think it is wrong to generalize over foreign owners. Abramovich obviously had compelling reasons to take over Chelsea which had little to do with his love of football. However, such is his wealth his reasons were obviously not financial, so Chelsea can't lose. The Glazers took over United for financial reasons, Plenty of fans in green and gold scarves know more than I do and I believe United's "billionaires" will seriously and premanently damage the club The Americans, with the admirable mismanagement of Benitez seem to have fucked Liverpool good and proper, fine by me.
Carson Yeung is already reneging on his promise of huge investment. Hairdresser to Bimingham owner in ten years. We all love a rags to riches story but one must look at his motives. I have a feeling it will end in tears.Randy Lerner seems perfect but he either hasn't invested enough or Martin O'Neill is the wrong man for the job.
Sheik Mansour obviously has good reasons for wanting City but they most certainly aren't financial. City are a rich man's plaything. I respect Evertonians who would be happy with that; to see the worlds finest players in an Everton shirt, to watch us win the championship and look down on Liverpool. To me, though, too much would be missing. If David Moyes succeeds it will be down to improving players, making astute signings and getting the very best from them.
I suppose what I'm looking for is a lifelong Evertonian to appear with enough money to redevelop Goodison and give David Moyes £30 million. Of course ,he'll have to let Bill Kenwright remain as chairman for life. Bill, see as many delegations as you like; it aint going to happen.
Tony Jones
33   Posted 03/08/2010 at 10:10:44

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I reckon all this media-talk on the RS is just that. It's just Broughton trying to drum up interest and bidders, probably so he can get a big pay off in the process. As already stated, it's only complete shyster's that are interested in buying so everybody chill out. The RS desperation to find a messiah (he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!) is laughable and disaster leads to disaster. Chill out everyone and enjoy! We're doing fine and the less we worry about anyone else the better.
Gareth Prytherch
34   Posted 03/08/2010 at 10:26:16

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There was an interesting article in the Guardian yesterday http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&story=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/02/liverpool-kenny-huang-tv-rights

It backs up something written on these pages a few years back that there is (or will be) money to be made from football but it is linked with media rights rather than what's on the pitch.

This kind of helps me to understand one of the reasons why we're not on the top of the list.

In my mind this means that we would end up with 1 or 2 billionaire investors for each continent who will promote their team in their region.



We already have big investors from America, Middle East, eastern Europe and there's been speculation regarding China, India, Pakistan etc for a while with the latest being for that lot over the road.

All of these investors want to start with the teams who get most media coverage already "the sky four / five".

In my opinion Man City where the next team outside the Sky Four who were the least risk, especially if you're pumping that amount of money in.

I'm really not sure where this leaves us except to say that it might explain why we've had to explore a number of markets - Thailand, America, Australia, China (remember Li Tie and the other one that never got a game).

Anyway all of that aside, it has been a long time since I've felt this level of positivity surrounding a coming campaign. I can't wait to see the boys on 14th.

COYBB!
Jimmy Hacking
35   Posted 03/08/2010 at 11:14:47

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Speaking as someone who grew up in the 1990s, I am delighted and proud with the team we have now. after a decade of enduring jokes about cocktail sticks and triangles with a team barely staying up most seasons, With a little worse luck we could be in a similar position right now to Norwich or Southampton. I think we need to look on the brightside; everyone in the Prem fears and respects Everton, yes we're skint but we're still a bloody decent team. roll on 1010-11, COYB
Iain Love
36   Posted 03/08/2010 at 11:31:43

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John 17 . Couldn't you say that about ALL the other teams without a sugar daddy ?
What will happen is the introduction of the % of income cap on players wages, as in Germany, dont know our figures but i would guesstimate it's the lowest of the top 10 teams meaning those teams will have to trim their wages bill / top earners. The homegrown squad size rule is now in force [ well sept1 ] and doesn't cause any problems for us. Further things will come in and cause the free spending clubs further angst.
I dont believe that our club is well run simply that other clubs are worse run.
Dave Smith
37   Posted 03/08/2010 at 12:43:55

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Typical. Liverpool land on their feet yet again. They will be smelling of roses' soon enough.

And they call us bitter.....
David Thomas
38   Posted 03/08/2010 at 13:37:42

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Andy Crooks 31
" I think that under a more astute chairman ,even one with the same limited funds as Bill, we'd be in a much stronger position to exploit our strongest squad for years."

How would we be in a much stronger position? If another chairmen had the limited funds that Kenwright has got what could he do to put us as you put it in a "much stronger" position?
Andy Crooks
39   Posted 03/08/2010 at 13:58:44

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David, not waste money on the doomed Kirby venture, see that the club is properly marketed. Ensure that a mangement team is in place(off field) who do not allow amateurism such as the Gosling saga to occur. I don't want to visit the examples of appalling marketing again but I have experienced a few of them personally. Everton could be better run, money or no money.
Alan Kirwin
40   Posted 03/08/2010 at 13:47:56

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David, your self-evidential logic is lost on a large swathe of TW visitors.

It's simple. One is either the jealous & bitter sort, or one isn't. You and I are not. I don't give a shit what happens at Anfield.

Bring on the season so we can (temporarily) rid ourselves of this repetitive, perpetual broken record.
David Thomas
41   Posted 03/08/2010 at 14:10:29

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Andy,

I would consider a "much stronger" position to be us being able to afford a new state of the art ground or us being able to afford players of real quality. A new chairman (whoever it was) with the same funds as Kenwright would not be able to provide us with the above.

As Alan states bring on the new season so we can all spend out time talking about everton's rise to the top of the league, fingers crossed.
Mark Stone
42   Posted 03/08/2010 at 14:20:19

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"Mark...how can you say that the foreignors in the premier are mediocre...most of our better players who other clubs covet are foreign"

Well Trevor, I can say it because there are lots of foreign players, currently playing in the Premier League who are mediocre. Your second sentence I am not disputing, what is your point? I didn't suggest that WE rely on mediocre foreign imports, did I? In fact I stated the opposite. You have completely lost me.

Alan Clarke, you have lost me as well. Are you disagreeing or agreeing with me? Seems you are agreeing that sound management is better than having millions and millions of pounds to squander, but it comes across in a disagreeable tone. Hmm.
Andy Crooks
43   Posted 03/08/2010 at 14:45:00

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Fair enough, David, "much sronger" is overdoing it. Still, to have even £10 million to spend now would surely keep most of us happy for a while.
Jerry-Tom Doyle
44   Posted 03/08/2010 at 15:49:29

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Alan 39. It's just a touch sanctimonious to imply that anyone who would rather not see more millions ploughed into our fiercest rivals 'jealous & bitter' types.

I don't consider myself jealous & bitter but I am extremely thankful that the Arab billions ended up at Eastlands and not over the road. I'd say most fans up and down the land would feel the same when presented with that choice re their nearest rivals. It's modus operandi for your 'normal' fan.

Roll on August 13..and Sep 1st!








Alan Clarke
45   Posted 03/08/2010 at 16:59:31

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Alan, the reason the record is broken is because Kenwright is still in charge and is still not providing funding for our manager to strengthen the team. It's got nothing to do with Liverpool FC. I wouldn't class people as bitter and jealous or not. I would class people as ambitious and passionate or not. I can't understand how some people can let all the Kenwright shite wash over them.
Andy Crooks
46   Posted 03/08/2010 at 17:51:12

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Alan Clarke, I agree. I have absolutely no feelings of bitterness or envy towards Liverpool. It seems that some Evertonians believe that in the absence of a billionaire brave Bill has done a sterling job just keeping us afloat . I don't buy that and I worry that things may be much worse than we know.
Eric Myles
47   Posted 03/08/2010 at 18:07:01

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David #38 & 41
"I would consider a "much stronger" position to be us being able to afford a new state of the art ground or us being able to afford players of real quality. A new chairman (whoever it was) with the same funds as Kenwright would not be able to provide us with the above."
Maybe a different chairman would have seen the advantages to THE CLUB of the Kings Dock deal that his bessie mate who bailed him out of the shit previously had put forward? Rather than stabbing said bessie mate in the back in order to keep control of his train set?
Tom Fearon
48   Posted 03/08/2010 at 19:05:23

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If we do well this season we will have a lot to thank Kenwright for. He appointed Moyes, he stood by him when times were tough and has retained the best manager we could possibly have at this time in our history. If you think Moyes is a man of great footballing intelligence and integrity ( I do) it is worth trying to answer the question: why does Moyes feel that he gets all the support possible from his Chairman? If your first thought is the level of Moyes's salary then you cannot believe that Davey is a man of integrity.
Andy Crooks
49   Posted 03/08/2010 at 19:44:40

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Tom, yes I believe David Moyes is a man of integrity. However, is the best defence of Bill that he appointed and stood by David Moyes?. Is that it?
Tom Fearon
50   Posted 03/08/2010 at 20:23:19

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Andy. As I wrote, Kenwright did more than stand by Moyes. He actually gained the confidence and the support of Moyes. This confidence and support has led to Moyes staying with us and agreeing to operate within the modest budget he has been allocated. That is not a small point. It is a highly significant one. Why would Moyes stay if he felt that our Club was badly run? Or that Kenwright was failing to win investment that another Chairman would seize?
Any organisation can be improved but too many TW contributors are convinced that everything our Club attempts is, or will be, a failure.
Charles King
51   Posted 03/08/2010 at 20:49:37

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Bill Kenwright he's an innocent among sharks.
His sentimentality about Everton is'nt doing us any favours at all, the latest fiasco (Gosling) shows he's not really up to controlling a business of this size and failure to get adequate funds for the club is bordering on incompetence.

I just don't buy this garbage that no ones interested.

The billionaires of this world go into football for exposure ( who'd heard of Roman Abramovich pre chelsea?), the Prem is the brightest light to get yourself or your core business noticed, and like restoring a car to show off in you'd go for a Rolls Royce not a Ford, the owner of our Rolls is doing something akin to hiding us in the garage.
Chelsea, Citeh, Furry diced fucking fiestas of the football world get the new engine, respray, new upholstery and burn past us.

The complete lack of newsworthy interest from any buyer suitable or unsuitable during these last few years defies reason.

Bill, whatever your criteria is for bringing money to the club is, CHANGE IT, regardless of brave words from some about ignoring the RS we can't, they're in our city and if they go on another era of unchallenged supremacy we'll be fucked.
Mike McLean
52   Posted 03/08/2010 at 22:33:20

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Charles ... unless and until Evertonians grow a pair, forget it. It just aint gonna change, mate.
David Thomas
53   Posted 03/08/2010 at 22:47:43

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Eric,

Kings Dock failed because the club could not meet the financial requirements demanded of them from the other stakeholders in the project. So if another chairman had the same funds as Kenwright, how would KD have been any different?
Ciarán McGlone
54   Posted 03/08/2010 at 23:10:05

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David Thomas: Revionist of theYear 2010.

The offer from Gregg for the KD money is more than well documented... You would do well to not treat the people using this site as if they were born yesterday.
Andy Crooks
55   Posted 04/08/2010 at 00:30:59

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Tom, Bill Kenwright has kept faith with David Moyes, A huge contract (for a man without a trophy) has certainly cemented that relationship. Lets's say DM is unhappy with Kenwright, where does he go? I admire David Moyes but he is never going to land a better job than Everton. Frankly, his tactics would not be accepted at any European giant. He will never go to Man u, so where? So. now DM will keep faith with Bill. They are a double act. The next stop for David Moyes is Celtic Park. I just hope it is after he has achieved something at Everton.
To suggest that we should be thankful for Bill Kenwright because David Moyes tolerates him is utterly ludicrous.
Brendan O'Doherty
56   Posted 04/08/2010 at 01:09:43

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David

King's Dock failed because BK would not relinquish control of the club for the money which would have been the EFC contribution to the project. Read again Eric's post (#47). It's about power.

Years later and still no investment/takeover. Why? By Bill's own recent admission he sees 7-8 possible investment delegations per year. He doesn't want to relinquish control of the club. Simple as that. He makes 'Deadly' Doug Ellis look like a big softie. He is now using the current economic climate as a cover for doing absolutely nothing. It's a joke.
Adam Fenlon
57   Posted 04/08/2010 at 01:59:02

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Seems "grow a pair" can be used as an analogy for "develop ridiculously unrealistic expectations"
Eric Myles
58   Posted 04/08/2010 at 06:35:14

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David #53, any other chairman with no money may have seen that Gregg's proposal of a reverse mortgage for KD was the only way we would get a fantastic new ground and be best for the Club. Rather than stabbing Gregg in the back with lies about false investment and seeking to protect his own power base.
Martin Mason
59   Posted 04/08/2010 at 06:46:25

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I'm a glass half full man with Everton. I see them now as a very good squad with just a few very fixable weaknesses (right midfield and central defender). I believe that we have an absolutely top class committed manager who recognises that spending per se isn't how to get a good team together. Being a good side comes down in the end to having the right players with the right attitude in the right position for the system that you play (that is, good management). Everton have developed a good squad and simply buying won't improve it.
Anthony Hughes
60   Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:24:54

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Martin, I agree with you on most points and that we have a good squad but if we had enough money to spend then we would most definitely be able to improve the squad. We have good players but they are not necessarily the best in their positions in comparison to the other sides above us. If we have any ambition of being a title winning team, like some of the over the top positivity we've come across on this pages, then we do need money to buy better players.

Our first eleven on their day can compete against most teams but as we saw last season when a chunk of them are missing we were less than ordinary, including some embarrassing episodes on the euro stage and this sort of puts it in perspective the strength of our squad.

Charles King
61   Posted 04/08/2010 at 12:34:08

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@Adam Fenlon #56

Tad unfair I think Adam, we're continually told that football is a business, if some customers are'nt happy with what's being served up we should be free to say so.
I am old school i'm not happy with this version of Everton and I suspect for every Evertonian who accepts whats going on there are countless others turning their back on the club, being 8th,6th or 4th is'nt what this club is about.

Anthony Hughes
62   Posted 04/08/2010 at 13:42:06

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Completely agree, Charles; it seems now that if you finish top 6th or 7th then you've had a successful season. Only a trophy-winning season can be any barometer of success. Nobody remembers or cares who finishes in the minor places when it is looked back on through the history books and there seems to be a growing number of supporters prepared to settle for mediocrity.
Alistair Ford
63   Posted 04/08/2010 at 13:51:23

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I think the adage be careful what you wish for applies here. I'm sure the fans of Portsmouth, Liverpool, Newcastle, West Ham, Notts County were all delighted when their billionaire saviours turned up. In retrospect? Not sure they would all feel that way now.


Bill is by no means perfect - don't get the wrong, his self publicising (during the good news) and disappearing acts (during the bad news) annoys the hell out of me. But I would rather him than some dodgy owner "investing" millions we don't have and then wanting his money back years later letting the club go to the wall.


Anthony Hughes
64   Posted 04/08/2010 at 14:05:20

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Why does every millionaire/billionaire have to be viewed as being "dodgy"? If a huge investment or buy-out doesn't take place at our club, then we will be forever also rans in a run-down stadium ? those are harsh facts for all of us. No amount of bargain basement wheeler dealing year-in, year-out, is going to bring us success.

Alasdair, we may not "go to wall" as you say, under Kenwright, but long term we will be destined to upper mid-table obscurity and I am pretty sure we all want more than that.

Paul Martin
65   Posted 04/08/2010 at 23:50:23

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I'd suggest we might be lucky to achieve upper mid table obscurity in the medium term. As well as the current top 7, Sunderland and Brum appear to have wealthy benefactors, West Ham have two reasonably wealthy barrow boys and Fulham's chairman now has over £1 billion burning a hole in his pocket. Let's also not forget those darlings of the media on the banks of the Tyne. Then I read today that an Indian businessman is prepared to pump millions into Blackburn!!

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