I'm a regular on another forum and have an Avatar of Gary Lineker on my profile. A member on that forum (who may well be on here) can't stand him and, to qoute him, he's: "probably one of the most unpopular and self-centred ex-Everton players I can think of. Mr 'lost me lucky boots' erased EFC from his cv a long time ago ..."
He also feels tha Lineker "played for himself and himself only. Unbalanced the team and certainly didn't fit in socially. And cost us the league title at Oxford with his shithouse excuses. Won the league again as soon as we unloaded him."
Do others feel same? I personally think he did well for us, 40 goals is a hell of a return for how much we paid, though going to Barcelona after a season put a dampener on things.
Trevor Thompson, Posted 03/08/2010 at 22:34:41
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1 Posted 04/08/2010 at 04:50:23
Don't particularly care really. Isn't in the all time X1 (nor anywhere near the subs) and with our 1 up front wouldn't get in today's side either.
Fits in well with Alan "Liverpool are the best" Hansen and Mark "Liverpool were robbed" Lawrensen. Just another part of the anti Everton psyche that is the BBC "Let's stick EFC last" Match of the Day crowd.
2 Posted 04/08/2010 at 05:38:29
He doesn't deny he played for Everton - he said that no-one ever asks him about it.
He didn't want to leave, but the board decided to cash in and treble their money. He would happily have stayed at Everton which he thought had one of the best sides he ever played in.
He only had 1 season FFS, when he was sold on by the club. Hardly enough time to develop an affinity for the place is it?
3 Posted 04/08/2010 at 06:05:11
Kirk, don't be daft man, the 85-86 Lineker could walk into any team in the prem.
A lot of our trouble was being Champions we had 2nd season syndrome, not helped by the fact that Kendall struggled for 10 games trying to find, for various reasons, a gelled, settled starting team to play with him.
So he's was a bit of a tosser then and even more now, big deal, who cares, everybody hates us anyway.
As ever it's the bottom line...
40 FUCKING GOALS!!!
4 Posted 04/08/2010 at 06:29:22
5 Posted 04/08/2010 at 06:38:01
6 Posted 04/08/2010 at 07:37:56
Gary Lineker (a GREAT player) gave a TV interview during which he was asked about Barc's interest & his contract. He made it perfectly plain that he would go where he wanted to go, and that would be to Spain. It was just at the end of the World Cup where he won the Golden Boot.
Our Board are shite, but that one has nothing to do with them, and everything to do with his ambition.
7 Posted 04/08/2010 at 07:41:03
Is that some of a wind up? Lineker, 40 goals, v Sicknote Saha, 13 goals???
8 Posted 04/08/2010 at 08:46:11
9 Posted 04/08/2010 at 09:20:13
Those that knock Yakubu, should remember that single-mindedness in a striker is not always a bad thing, although it has to be said that his best days may be behind him because of age / injury.
Lineker also had intelligence in abundance, allied to great speed.. I don't think that he developed a great affinity with Everton because he wasn't there that long - also, in a way, he was far too professional to let matters of the heart dictate. He was a clinical, calculating sort of professional, who probably distanced himself from some of the post match drinking socialising that no doubt took place.
Bottom line is that you can't knock someone who scored that many goals in a season and won the golden boot at the World Cup.
10 Posted 04/08/2010 at 09:56:17
11 Posted 04/08/2010 at 09:57:08
Re MOTD, I doubt its up to Lineker in what order the Everton game features on the show, the fact is they will show the games that the producer perceives to warrant the largest audience - no brainer. Also, I might be in a minority of 1, but I think Hansen presents a very unbiased view of Everton. I reckon his comments are mostly fair.
12 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:17:24
Didn't we win the league in 1987.....or did I dream it!
13 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:19:46
I like your loyalty to our current strikeforce, but you can't honestly think Gary Lineker in his prime would not have got a game ahead of Beckford, Saha, Yak, Anichebe and Vaughan.
14 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:14:37
Lineker, at Everton and for England is one of my favourite players of all-time just because you can rely on him to score goals. He might not have been a player that would take on the whole oppos defence or score 40 yarders but he did what was required of a player in his position. If we can find some one half as good as him then I'd be pleased.
15 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:37:15
16 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:49:02
17 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:57:06
Manchester United - Ronaldo
Barcelona - Brazilian Ronaldo
Liverpool - Rush
Juventus - Zidane
It happens more than you think. I don't think you could single out everton as the only club who does it.
18 Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:42:50
He was a great striker who while had a limited all round game, scored for fun, 40 times! Id love someone to get even 30 for us these days.
19 Posted 04/08/2010 at 11:31:36
Everton also sold Lineker for three and a half times more than we paid for him in one year so the Club didn't do too badly out of it either.
As mentioned, today's equal would be Torres. Any Everton fan would want Torres in our side now (putting aside his RS connections).
20 Posted 04/08/2010 at 11:47:49
My answer has always been the same.
"Played for us one season, scored two in his debut against the shite at Analfield in a players testimonal.
And went on to score 40 goals for the season.
Not bad on your CV, even if you did not want to be here, as some suggest.?
And its part of our History for ever.
21 Posted 04/08/2010 at 11:53:04
The games are generally structured in most entertaining / important downwards, so if you spend all season in mid-table winning 1-0 you won't be on first very much!
22 Posted 04/08/2010 at 13:22:05
If you spend all season winning 1-0 you won't be in mid table but I know what you mean.
23 Posted 04/08/2010 at 13:43:29
With a lenghty European ban just starting to be served by English clubs, the board cashed in, and I for one can't blame them.
We all know who is really to blame for the whole sorry mess that was the 1985 European Cup final, the aftermath and it's lasting impact on our club.
24 Posted 04/08/2010 at 15:16:02
His short distance pace was blistering and he scored goals in bucketfuls at the top level consistently... Unfortunately Liverpool had a terrific side at that time and just shaded us...but the derby games were fantastic!!
When people say he was not an all rounder they are probably correct but I cannot seeing ANY striker who was all round (whatever that may be) as they need others to supply them with the ammunition....
He is streets ahead of any striker we have had since his one season with us and I do not know why he left.
No-one has ever explained the reason fully..either him or the EFC board... BUT we tend to 'cash in' on any decent players we have ever had and we have never kept a succesful squad together following a league title.
I hate to admit it, but Shankley/Paisley and co kept their players at Anfield and had a strangle hold on the league title for donkeys years...this has only been followed by Man Utd under Ferguson.
Also in those days we did not have lots of foreign players and the playing field was much more equal.
25 Posted 04/08/2010 at 15:23:11
Oh, and another thing. The reason we won fuck all in '86 was that a superior Liverpool were around. Hate to say it, but that's the truth.
Either you weren't around or didn't go to the games. The only thing Liverpool had to keep them in the race was Ian Rush. Wiithout him, they would have finished 5th or 6th. We were far superior to Liverpool.
What Liverpool had was experience. As they started catching up with us (they were about ten points adrift with ten to play, after being thahed by us at Anfield), we kakked ourselves and starting playing very nervous football and dropped points;
Everyone remembers Oxford; FFS sake had we beaten "who are they?" Oxford we'd have won the League three years in a row. But I remember sqeaking past Ipswich late in the season because of ridiculous nerves; and allowing Leicester to beat us early in the season, c'cos we thought ourselves so superior to them - we were, but after taking the lead, we fell into a slumber; the whole crowd did, and they caught us with two route-one goals; and a million chanes later we did not score again - amazing! I came away thinking: IF we lose the League by fewer than three points, I'll never forget this.
I've never forgotten it!
Were u at the Anfield Derby? We could have won by 7 or 8! We won 2-0, and at Goodison battered them after going 2-0 down in first ten mins (we lost 3-2). Among the many chances was Lineker hitting the crossbar with a shot from four yards out; Inchy strolling thru the entire defence to go one on one with Grobelaar - did the hard bit, then shot straight into the keeper's chest.
The League was lost on the final game of the season to the worst Liverpool side since the early 60s; that loss was sandwiched between two championships won by 15 and 9 pts respectively, if memory serves.
We were bloody awesome! And you do not deserve our name!
26 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:12:44
27 Posted 04/08/2010 at 17:04:50
He's without question the best goalscorer i've ever seen in a blue shirt and had his partnership with Graeme Sharp been allowed to develop further they would have become one of the best forward combinations of all time. 64 goals between them in 85/86 was an awesome return.
Lineker has stated loads of times we were the best side he'd played in and still keeps an eye on whats going on at Goodison but is first and foremost a Leicester man as thats were he's from and his boyhood club.
His sale was ridiculous and I still can't get my head round it to this day.
28 Posted 04/08/2010 at 17:42:10
29 Posted 04/08/2010 at 17:49:31
He was asked in an interview, which was the best team he ever played in, and he responded that it was Everton... if you Google it, you can see the results, but I can't get any pages to open up.
He was here a year, bagged more than most strikers have got in their Everton career and left. Of course he has more affinity for his boyhood club, or a club where he played for several years. He still said that our team was the best. That's not very anti-Everton.
30 Posted 04/08/2010 at 18:51:27
31 Posted 04/08/2010 at 18:58:24
Considering we had just won the League, our first European trophy and were a balmy-day tired one game-too-far away from a treble; that is a Helluva claim to say his arrival was all those things. I remember feeling quite sad as Gray left straight after.
How could we split up that team. Kendall was what a successful manager had to be: ruthless.
32 Posted 04/08/2010 at 20:01:05
Pure class. Simple as. One of his great strengths was his intelligence and his economy of movement. He always gambled even when the odds were against him getting on the end of something and that, allied to his instinctive ability to time his runs to perfection, made him a worthy winner of WCGolden Boots and the like.
To suggest he wouldn't get into todays Everton lineup (strong as it is) is simply madness.
Whatever his opinions and or affinities toward Everton, one thing you should never question is the man's class and stature within the game. As goalscorers go, one of the very best.
Now if only King Louis could bag us 20 this season . . .
33 Posted 04/08/2010 at 20:16:10
34 Posted 05/08/2010 at 00:20:00
35 Posted 05/08/2010 at 00:17:37
I disagree with the opinion that Lineker doesn't hold any affection or remembers his time with Everton as well as any of his other clubs.
Lineker has actually stated in an online interview with both The Guardian and an Everton fans' website that the Everton team of 85-86 was and quoted "the best I've ever played in"
He said that himself, a quick search on Google should bring either one of the interviews up, he said he loved it at Everton and didn't want to leave the club - however Everton's board, being the board they are and always have been saw the dollar signs and cashed in - especially with no European football during that period.
He was at Everton when we were arguably the finest club side in Europe, he scored 40-goals and we narrowly missed out on winning the 'Double'
Also this myth about Hansen and the BBC being "biased" towards us is just that, a myth, the BBC are obviously going to put; Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Liverpool before us, and I can't ever recall when Hansen has ever said anything negative about us on-air.
Lineker is always associated with Tottenham more, because he was at Spurs for a longer period of time, and he also won the FA Cup there aswel - it would be a different story had Everton not sold him, and he went on to win the League with us in 1987.
36 Posted 05/08/2010 at 02:31:59
Ok. I realise this may well court some controversy but seriously I would like to get a balanced view on the matter. A lot of people feel that what happened there was part of the reason why Everton never reached the apex of the clubs history and to be challeging for more honours.
I fully understand that it was our chance to go on and show the world that Everton were a major force by winning the European Cup, but can we blame the event for stopping us from winning more league titles and becoming as strong as the likes of Man United? It didn't affect them lot across the park. Five years later, they won the league.
I think that we made some poor signings after the 1987 Championship winning side and lost our way for some time after that and I don't think colin Harvey was that good a manager. If we had kept challeging for the title surely we would have got our chance again in the European Cup/Champions League.
Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression and that some people aren't solely blaming what happened back then but are thinking of a number of factors that left us slightly behind (though I feel we're catching up).
I'd just like some educated views so I can form a balanced opinion.
37 Posted 05/08/2010 at 02:33:49
Heysel has been discussed on a number of recent threads, including this one for starters. There was an earlier one too that specifically addressed this question.
38 Posted 05/08/2010 at 02:44:50
Yes Linekers 40 goals would serve us very well indeed but he scored most of them in the 6 yard box. He never back tracked or chased the ball down as is required from our 1 up front formation. I am saying that he would not fit into Moyes's preferred formation not that he wouldn't be good for the team.
And when we talk about a greatest XI Sharp and Dean fill the front two and I would rather Latchford or Young on the subs bench than Lineker.
P.S. Clive Allen scored 49 goals in 86-87. Would anyone have him??
39 Posted 05/08/2010 at 19:17:44
And frankly who cares if a lot of his goals were inside the 6 yard box? Its about being in the right place at the right time and Lineker usually was.
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